Jesse Lumsden (1 Viewer)

[Slobber]

Discussion in the Betts thread made me think this guy was worthy of his own topic. Here are a couple of articles about him:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161178

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1822

He went to college at McMaster in Canada and played a year in the CFL, racking up some amazing statistics. Judging from Ricky Williams' lack of success up there, that's nothing to scoff at. He was in Seahawks camp last year but got hurt and was cut. He tried out for the Redskins, ran a 4.43 40 and was signed.

He faces some odds at making the roster though. The Skins have 3 runners pretty much locks to make the final 53: Portis, Betts, and Cartwright.

Also, their switching to Al Saunders' offense is forcing them to keep tight ends AND fullbacks this year, whereas last year they had both under the H-Back moniker. Last year they kept 4 total players as TE/H-Backs (Cooley, Sellers, Royal, Johnson), this year they will likely keep 3 TEs and 2 FBs for a total of 5.

So while the Skins kept 4 RBs on their roster last year, their use of TE and FB instead of H-Backs has removed that potential roster spot.

Lumsden is certainly big enough to play fullback, but the coaches seem to like him at RB.

Anyway, he's a player to watch, and if he makes the final roster I suspect he would get a realistic shot to prove himself if Portis got hurt.

 

[coolnerd]

Anyway, he's a player to watch, and if he makes the final roster I suspect he would get a realistic shot to prove himself if Portis got hurt.

I would wait until the guy at least had some carries in pre-season. While this guy has some physical talent, coaches tend to give the Ladell Betts of the world (yes, boring but a former 2nd rounder who has worked hard and as i know not complained about opportunity) chances before undrafted Candian players.Edit grammar

 

[Slobber]

Anyway, he's a player to watch, and if he makes the final roster I suspect he would get a realistic shot to prove himself if Portis got hurt.

I would wait until the guy at least had some carries in pre-season. while this guy has some physical talent, coaches tend to give the Ladell Betts of the world (yes, boring but a former 2nd rounder who has worked as far and as i know not complained about opportunity) chances before undrafted Candian players.

Ladell Betts will make the team. I think Lumsden would take a roster spot from another position, perhaps D-line, or make it if there were an injury. I don't think the Skins would release Betts or Cartwright.The other option would be to only keep 1 fullback and keep Lumsden on the roster, and maybe use Lumsden and Cartwright some at fullback.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Lumsden was cut from the Seahawks, I do not expect anything different this time around

 

[veto87]

I saw Lumsden play in college in canada, nothing spectacular but ... smooth, no quick movements. They just couldn't stop this guy, he was more like a fullback. His personality from some interviews I saw were very down to earth but took nothing for granted, worked his butt off even when he was already the best college RB in canada. I believe he also played in the East West Shrine game and did pretty well vs the best US prospects.

 

[Slobber]

I saw Lumsden play in college in canada, nothing spectacular but ... smooth, no quick movements. They just couldn't stop this guy, he was more like a fullback. His personality from some interviews I saw were very down to earth but took nothing for granted, worked his butt off even when he was already the best college RB in canada. I believe he also played in the East West Shrine game and did pretty well vs the best US prospects.

He has some highlights from the shrine game on his website, looks pretty good.From what I heard about last yearr with the Seahawks, he had a hip injury of some sort that may have been the difference between him making the team and getting cut.

Also, the Seahawks have in Maurice Morris a backup better than anything the Redskins have. Neither Betts nor Cartwright aret in Morris' league IMO

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I saw Lumsden play in college in canada, nothing spectacular but ... smooth, no quick movements. They just couldn't stop this guy, he was more like a fullback. His personality from some interviews I saw were very down to earth but took nothing for granted, worked his butt off even when he was already the best college RB in canada. I believe he also played in the East West Shrine game and did pretty well vs the best US prospects.

He has some highlights from the shrine game on his website, looks pretty good.From what I heard about last yearr with the Seahawks, he had a hip injury of some sort that may have been the difference between him making the team and getting cut.

Also, the Seahawks have in Maurice Morris a backup better than anything the Redskins have. Neither Betts nor Cartwright aret in Morris' league IMO

Lumsden was never competing with Morris he was competing for the 3rd/4th spot and competing with Josh Scobey and Marquis Weeks.

 

[Slobber]

I saw Lumsden play in college in canada, nothing spectacular but ... smooth, no quick movements. They just couldn't stop this guy, he was more like a fullback. His personality from some interviews I saw were very down to earth but took nothing for granted, worked his butt off even when he was already the best college RB in canada. I believe he also played in the East West Shrine game and did pretty well vs the best US prospects.

He has some highlights from the shrine game on his website, looks pretty good.From what I heard about last yearr with the Seahawks, he had a hip injury of some sort that may have been the difference between him making the team and getting cut.

Also, the Seahawks have in Maurice Morris a backup better than anything the Redskins have. Neither Betts nor Cartwright aret in Morris' league IMO

Lumsden was never competing with Morris he was competing for the 3rd/4th spot and competing with Josh Scobey and Marquis Weeks.

And they took Scobey for the kick return skills, apparently.As I said earlier, the Redskins don't have a back like Morris as a backup. Betts and Cartwright aren't that good. They seen enamored with this Lumsden guy. I think he could be good, but who knows.

 

[Bankerguy]

He sucks. Sorry.

I've seen him play University ball in Canada.

He tore it up against terrible quality players.

He is not NFL material. Don't believe any hype.

 

[Slobber]

He sucks. Sorry.

I've seen him play University ball in Canada.

He tore it up against terrible quality players.

He is not NFL material. Don't believe any hype.

How could you possibly know how good he is if all you saw was him tearing "it up against terrible quality players??"That's like saying DeAngelo Williams sucks because he dominated at Memphis.

 

[redman]

Lumsden is competing with Nehemiah Broughton, and to a lesser extent Cartwright, for a spot. Betts will be on the roster. If I had to guess, I'd also say that Cartwright will be too just because Gibbs loves overachiever types who excel on special teams, and Rock (like James Thrash) fits that to a "T".

As for value, I'd say it's marginal.

ETA- Redskins fans and their local media always focus each preseason on one longshot who somehow becomes a darling that everyone's rooting for to make the team. Then, the player either gets cut or put onto the practice squad, the regular season starts, and you barely ever hear the name again. I can't explain this phenomenon, but it happens every year. Lumsden seems to be the darling this year.

 

[Bankerguy]

He sucks.  Sorry.

I've seen him play University ball in Canada.

He tore it up against terrible quality players.

He is not NFL material.  Don't believe any hype.

How could you possibly know how good he is if all you saw was him tearing "it up against terrible quality players??"That's like saying DeAngelo Williams sucks because he dominated at Memphis.

OK....so Lumsden = Williams. Gotcha.Check back in ten years we can discuss his career then.

Should be a quick discussion.

He's a nice story, but nice stories don't mean anything in FF.

 

[Slobber]

Lumsden is competing with Nehemiah Broughton, and to a lesser extent Cartwright, for a spot. Betts will be on the roster. If I had to guess, I'd also say that Cartwright will be too just because Gibbs loves overachiever types who excel on special teams, and Rock (like James Thrash) fits that to a "T".

As for value, I'd say it's marginal.

ETA- Redskins fans and their local media always focus each preseason on one longshot who somehow becomes a darling that everyone's rooting for to make the team. Then, the player either gets cut or put onto the practice squad, the regular season starts, and you barely ever hear the name again. I can't explain this phenomenon, but it happens every year. Lumsden seems to be the darling this year.

Not exactly true. Broughton is competing with Manuel White, ostensibly, for the top backup FB job behind Mike Sellers. Lumsden is listed as a halfback.I don't see any way Betts or Cartwright don't make the team. Cartwright just got a new contract this offseason for 3 or 4 years, so they obviously like him.

Cerrato said he wanted to keep 9 defensive linemen, which to me sounds like one too many. I'm thinking, Lumsden could make the team instead of a 9th d-linemen, and everything would be fine.

 

[Slobber]

Just for reference, here is a prediction I made back in May, my guess as to what the final Skins roster will be:

QB- Brunell, Campbell, Collins (3)

RB- Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Lumsden (4)

FB- Sellers, Broughton OR White (2)

WR- Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Patten, Thrash (5)

TE- Cooley, Fauria, Johnson (3)

OL- Dockery, Jansen, Samuels, Rabach, Thomas, (Pucillo, Walter, Lefotu, Alston) pick 2, Molinaro, Ndukwe (9)

DL- Wynn, Evans, Carter, Daniels, Griffin, Salave'a, Montgomery, Killings (8)

LB- Washington, Marshall, Clemons, Campbell, McIntosh, McCune, Holdman (7)

CB- Springs, Wright, Rogers, Jimoh, Patterson (5)

S- Taylor, Archuleta, Prioleau, Doughty (4)

K- Hall (1)

P- Frost (1)

LS- Albright (1)

I was bored

edit: If Cerrato is dead set on keeping 9 d-linemen, then the obvious cut would be to Lumsden or the backup fullback. Nic Clemons would probably be the 9th d-linemen IMO.

 

[redman]

Lumsden is competing with Nehemiah Broughton, and to a lesser extent Cartwright, for a spot.  Betts will be on the roster.  If I had to guess, I'd also say that Cartwright will be too just because Gibbs loves overachiever types who excel on special teams, and Rock (like James Thrash) fits that to a "T". 

As for value, I'd say it's marginal.

ETA- Redskins fans and their local media always focus each preseason on one longshot who somehow becomes a darling that everyone's rooting for to make the team.  Then, the player either gets cut or put onto the practice squad, the regular season starts, and you barely ever hear the name again.  I can't explain this phenomenon, but it happens every year.  Lumsden seems to be the darling this year.

Not exactly true. Broughton is competing with Manuel White, ostensibly, for the top backup FB job behind Mike Sellers. Lumsden is listed as a halfback.I don't see any way Betts or Cartwright don't make the team. Cartwright just got a new contract this offseason for 3 or 4 years, so they obviously like him.

Cerrato said he wanted to keep 9 defensive linemen, which to me sounds like one too many. I'm thinking, Lumsden could make the team instead of a 9th d-linemen, and everything would be fine.

Broughton was drafted to carry the football. RB coach Ernest Byner raved about how heavy he ran. I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that he has any blocking experience at all. Not to say he can't learn the position (and he certainly has the size for it) but that was the reason for my comment.

 

[redman]

edit: If Cerrato is dead set on keeping 9 d-linemen, then the obvious cut would be to Lumsden or the backup fullback. Nic Clemons would probably be the 9th d-linemen IMO.

I'd have a difficult time believing that Gibbs (the real decision maker here, not Cerrato) would keep a D-lineman over a FB. Gibbs loves FB's, TE's, H-backs and LB's because of their versatility, toughness and (not least) usefulness on special teams.

 

[Slobber]

Lumsden is competing with Nehemiah Broughton, and to a lesser extent Cartwright, for a spot. Betts will be on the roster. If I had to guess, I'd also say that Cartwright will be too just because Gibbs loves overachiever types who excel on special teams, and Rock (like James Thrash) fits that to a "T".

As for value, I'd say it's marginal.

ETA- Redskins fans and their local media always focus each preseason on one longshot who somehow becomes a darling that everyone's rooting for to make the team. Then, the player either gets cut or put onto the practice squad, the regular season starts, and you barely ever hear the name again. I can't explain this phenomenon, but it happens every year. Lumsden seems to be the darling this year.

Not exactly true. Broughton is competing with Manuel White, ostensibly, for the top backup FB job behind Mike Sellers. Lumsden is listed as a halfback.I don't see any way Betts or Cartwright don't make the team. Cartwright just got a new contract this offseason for 3 or 4 years, so they obviously like him.

Cerrato said he wanted to keep 9 defensive linemen, which to me sounds like one too many. I'm thinking, Lumsden could make the team instead of a 9th d-linemen, and everything would be fine.

Broughton was drafted to carry the football. RB coach Ernest Byner raved about how heavy he ran. I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that he has any blocking experience at all. Not to say he can't learn the position (and he certainly has the size for it) but that was the reason for my comment.

He's listed as fullback. The team needs a backup fullback more than it needs a 4th string halfback.

 

[Slobber]

edit: If Cerrato is dead set on keeping 9 d-linemen, then the obvious cut would be to Lumsden or the backup fullback. Nic Clemons would probably be the 9th d-linemen IMO.

I'd have a difficult time believing that Gibbs (the real decision maker here, not Cerrato) would keep a D-lineman over a FB. Gibbs loves FB's, TE's, H-backs and LB's because of their versatility, toughness and (not least) usefulness on special teams.

I don't understand why Cerrato wants to keep 9 d-linemen. There are only 4 starters, and backups can learn to play different positions along the line.

 

[FBGPoker]

Is Jesse Lumsden the next Ben Gay?

 

[Biabreakable]

Betts is a better Rb than Morris.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Betts is a better Rb than Morris.