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What's this guy worth?

Just had his worst year ever(270 with 10 home runs and 67 RBI), but still expects to get PAID!!!!

I know he's been a great player, but do the Yankee's owe him another giant payday?

Oh, the Yankee's have paid Jeter over $205,000,000 over the coarse of his 15 year career(not sure they owe him anything).

Looks like the Yankee's are willing to let him test free agency

 
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The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there.

Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.

 
Dr. Awesome said:
The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there. Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.
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how about FA three baggers? Can't they just move A Rod to SS? Beltre is available, and he's 6 years younger
 
Wrigley said:
Dr. Awesome said:
The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there. Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.
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how about FA three baggers? Can't they just move A Rod to SS? Beltre is available, and he's 6 years younger
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If Jeter were named Joe Schmoe, sure. The Captain isn't going anywhere.
 
Dr. Awesome said:
Wrigley said:
Dr. Awesome said:
The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there. Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.
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how about FA three baggers? Can't they just move A Rod to SS? Beltre is available, and he's 6 years younger
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If Jeter were named Joe Schmoe, sure. The Captain isn't going anywhere.
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Jeter should probably go to 3B w/ Arod moving to full-time DH. But of course, he's a gold glove SS :unsure:
 
Wrigley said:
Dr. Awesome said:
The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there.

Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.
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how about FA three baggers?

Can't they just move A Rod to SS?

Beltre is available, and he's 6 years younger
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Not with his hip.
 
Eephus said:
Dr. Awesome said:
Wrigley said:
Dr. Awesome said:
The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there. Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.
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how about FA three baggers? Can't they just move A Rod to SS? Beltre is available, and he's 6 years younger
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If Jeter were named Joe Schmoe, sure. The Captain isn't going anywhere.
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Jeter should probably go to 3B w/ Arod moving to full-time DH. But of course, he's a gold glove SS :thumbup:
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:lmao: That still cracks me up. I just can't understand how he won.
 
I hope he signs a 5 year deal and continues to weaken the Yankees lineup. What are they going to do a couple year down the road, when he really can't play SS anymore and he continues to be in decline at the plate? Could they ever bench him? Likely he'd have to DH and be a huge drag on the team as a subpar DH.

 
I guess I'll be the first here to say it (although I touched on it in the Yankees thread). The offer appears to have been 3 years but we don't know the money. Report is that he wants 5 or 6 years.

Without knowing the money, unless he wants 5 or 6 at 7-10 million, I would simply move on and either force his hand or really move on. 5 or 6 years is really not rational. And the reason he wants that most likely is to get to 4000 hits possibly. He'd want to do that as a Yankee. So, it comes down to how much Jeter wants it, because I don't support giving him a massive 5 or 6 year deal.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
I guess I'll be the first here to say it (although I touched on it in the Yankees thread). The offer appears to have been 3 years but we don't know the money. Report is that he wants 5 or 6 years.Without knowing the money, unless he wants 5 or 6 at 7-10 million, I would simply move on and either force his hand or really move on. 5 or 6 years is really not rational. And the reason he wants that most likely is to get to 4000 hits possibly. He'd want to do that as a Yankee. So, it comes down to how much Jeter wants it, because I don't support giving him a massive 5 or 6 year deal.
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If Jeter averaged 175 hits a year, it would take him 7 years to get to 4000 hits (he hasn't crossed 3000 yet). Does he really think he can continue to get 700 plate appearances into his 40s, be a productive hitter along the way, stay healthy, and have a position to play for that long? Posting an OPS of .710 as a DH would hurt a team more than it would help it, especially if the team is shelling out big money for the Jeter brand (assuming he wants to continue to get $15-$20M+).
 
I don't know about 4000 hits. But he would get to 3000 this upcoming year and no Yankee has ever done that before.

I've heard rumors of everything from $15 mill per to $21 mill per year for 3 years. If any number like that is true, Jeter should jump on it.

I love me some Jeter action as much as the next guy. He's the face of my generation of Yankee teams. But I think he has to be real for a minute.

He's been one of the highest paid players in baseball for the better part of a decade, despite probably not actually being one of the very top players in baseball. He's an average defensive SS who has always made up for it with his leadership, locker room personality and his bat. Well, the bat looks like it's fading. And the other stuff isn't worth $15-20 mill a year.

I'd be absolutely shocked if any team was willing to go over $10 mill a year for him on the open market, with a 2 or 3 year max.

The Yankees definitely need Jeter from a marketing/good will with the fans/tradition point of view. But from a financial point of view, Jeter needs the Yanks way, way more. No one will even come close to paying him what the Yanks will.

Jeter and his representation need to get their heads right, realize where Jeter's skills are at this point in his career and make a reasonable deal with the Yankees. And by reasonable I still mean that the Yankees will over pay him based on relationship and history.

I'm a little concerned that Jeter is going to over play his hand here a bit and end up playing for the Orioles or Reds. Jhonny Peralta just signed for 2 years at $5.25 mill per - and he's way younger and better with the glove then Jeter is.

Who is going to pay much more than that for Jeter besides the Yankees?

 
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Eephus said:
Dr. Awesome said:
Wrigley said:
Dr. Awesome said:
The Yankees will pay. As they should. He's not necessarily worth as much as he thinks on the field, but Jeter means a lot more to this team than on field play. Besides, there aren't a lot of FA shortstops out there. Jeter holds most, if not all, of the cards here.
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how about FA three baggers? Can't they just move A Rod to SS? Beltre is available, and he's 6 years younger
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If Jeter were named Joe Schmoe, sure. The Captain isn't going anywhere.
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Jeter should probably go to 3B w/ Arod moving to full-time DH. But of course, he's a gold glove SS :P
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Is Jeter a better fielder than A-Rod? I admittedly don't know anything about fielding stats, but I seem to remember A-Rod being the more highly regarded SS defensively before he went to NY. I'm curious why everyone says A-Rod should be the one to DH, unless its health-related.
 
thecatch said:
Is Jeter a better fielder than A-Rod? I admittedly don't know anything about fielding stats, but I seem to remember A-Rod being the more highly regarded SS defensively before he went to NY. I'm curious why everyone says A-Rod should be the one to DH, unless its health-related.
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Jeter has never played 3rd so it's hard to know for sure, but at this point A-Rod is generally considered a well above average 3B while Jeter is considered a poor to average SS (at least he is by most reasonable baseball people, Gold Gloves aside).I would have to imagine that moving Jeter to 3B and A-Rod to DH would mean a downgrade at defense at 3B. But it would also probably mean an upgrade at defense at SS since whomever replaced Jeter there would probably be better. Overall, I'd bet it would be a net infield upgrade, tho I'm not sure by how much.However, it's likely that none of it matters as Posada is the guy who is rumored to get the DH AB's next year, at least at this point.
 
the moops said:
Chairshot said:
but at this point A-Rod is generally considered a well above average 3B
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A-Rod has never been a well above average third baseman. He hasn't posted a positive UZR since his first year with the Yankees.
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You know, "well" above average was probably over stating things.His +/- and URZ basically have him as average or a little below (which would make sense since they are basically the same stat). RZR and ZR (as well as stuff like FPCT and Errors, which have whatever little value that they have) peg him as definitely above average.He doesn't make a ton of plays outside his zone, but he's definitely good on plays inside his zone. I guess you can translate that how you will, but I generally don't take just one defensive stat alone when trying to figure out who's good and who isn't as I don't feel like any one defensive stat tells the whole story.Regardless, my point was that A-Rod is a better 3B then Jeter is an SS, which I think is pretty obviously true. Jeter is in the argument for worst defensive every day SS - A-Rod isn't in that argument for 3B. If Jeter's ability at SS were to scale to 3B (which is no sure thing, he could be a better 3B then SS, I suppose), then the Yanks would be taking a downgrade by moving Jeter to 3B over A-Rod.It is fair to say that A-Rod has been getting worse defensively over the past 2 years. That might have plenty to do with injury or it could just be he's aging rapidly. I don't know (and I personally don't believe) that Jeter would be a better 3B then A-Rod currently is.
 
these are all interesting theories but Jeter will almost certainly be playing SS for the Yankees on opening day.

 
Eephus said:
these are all interesting theories but Jeter will almost certainly be playing SS for the Yankees on opening day.
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Definitely agreed. If he's a Yankee (and he probably will be) he'll be playing SS.For the record, I think it's more likely that they one day move him to a corner OF spot before they move him to 3B. At the very least, I see Jeter and A-Rod both staying in their current positions for 2011.
 
The smart thing to do would be to go after Beltre and Jeter at the same time, sentimentalism aside I think Beltre's the more valuable player over the next four years.

But of course, they won't. They're the Yankees. They'll overpay Jeter, he'll spout some cliches about retiring in pinstripes, and their dumb fans will be happy to watch him not get to balls in the hole that an average SS would.

 
For those who say Jeter holds all the cards, explain why?

If the Yanks don't pay him:

1. Where does he go? How much will he make? Probably less than the Yanks are offering as it stands.

2. Will people stop watching the yanks / going to games? With or without Jeter, its about winning in NY. If they put money where it belongs and continue to field a great team with stars at most positions, the Yanks will hardly see a bump in overall revenue. If they sign him for 5 years and the last three are real decline seasons, the yanks will see less dollars because they won't be as competitive.

3. While the Yanks would like their wounds with a PR hit up front, what happens to Jeter? He goes elsewhere for a few more million when he has made hundreds of mill in salary and endorsements? What about the legacy, his ad power in NY? Jeter would lose FOREVER being a "Yank for life" and "the Captain" and this generations version of the all time Yankee greats, while a stated above, the yanks would just move on.

Jeter is the one in a no win situation by leaving. He has to come back or he makes marginally more money elsewhere (maybe less considering the marqee of being "the captain") and loses a great deal of the aura that has made him one of the more overated players of our time.

Verdict?

YANKS Hold all the cards here. Not Jeter.

 
According to the NY Post, the Yanks are set to offer Jeter a 3 year/$45 mill deal.

If true, this is a more than fair offer. Jeter can probably squeeze a little more out of them, but hopefully he will accept something close to this.

 
"Look Derek, we're willing to offer 3 years at $15M per. We believe that is a favorable contract for you. There will be no negotiating. That's where we stand. We understand you've been the face of the franchise but it's not in our best interest to sign you to a long term, high dollar deal because of what you've done in the past. We believe you've been paid accordingly and more than fairly for your services up until now. We appreciate everything you've done to help make this franchise what it is today. Take some time to think about it but get back to us before Christmas so we have time to explore other options. Good day, sir."
 
Jambi said:
"Look Derek, we're willing to offer 3 years at $15M per. We believe that is a favorable contract for you. There will be no negotiating. That's where we stand. We understand you've been the face of the franchise but it's not in our best interest to sign you to a long term, high dollar deal because of what you've done in the past. We believe you've been paid accordingly and more than fairly for your services up until now. We appreciate everything you've done to help make this franchise what it is today. Take some time to think about it but get back to us before Christmas so we have time to explore other options. Good day, sir."
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I wish
 
3 for $45 is pretty much right where I was when I said 4 for $60 is my bet. It's clearly too much money for on the field play as per the stats, but overpaying him isn't that bad of an idea if you don't grossly overpay. Good job by the Yankees to ballpark the market fairly quickly.

 
You can say whatever you want but Jeter funds after schools programs at every school in his hometown, plus is widely rumored to be one of the major contributors of the Kalamazoo Promise, a program that sends every Kalamazoo high School graduate to college for free. Give him the money.

 
So you gave Jorge Posada, a 36 year old catcher, a 4 year contract.

You won't go above 3 years for Derek Jeter? Really?

 
Just read on Rotoworld: "Yankees GM Brian Cashman said Tuesday that Derek Jeter "should test the market" if he doesn't approve of the club's three-year, $45 million offer."

...and he's right.

 
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Workhorse said:
So you gave Jorge Posada, a 36 year old catcher, a 4 year contract.You won't go above 3 years for Derek Jeter? Really?
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You can't chase bad contracts after bad contracts...If Jeter had signed a 7 year deal 10 years ago he would have gotten a big contract 3 years agoInstead he banked 60 million over those 3 years and is now 36Apples and oranges
 
Eephus said:
Tremendous Upside said:
Workhorse said:
So you gave Jorge Posada, a 36 year old catcher, a 4 year contract.You won't go above 3 years for Derek Jeter? Really?
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You can't chase bad contracts after bad contracts...If Jeter had signed a 7 year deal 10 years ago he would have gotten a big contract 3 years agoInstead he banked 60 million over those 3 years and is now 36Apples and oranges
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The new austerity
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It's a paradigm shift
 
Eephus said:
Tremendous Upside said:
Workhorse said:
So you gave Jorge Posada, a 36 year old catcher, a 4 year contract.You won't go above 3 years for Derek Jeter? Really?
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You can't chase bad contracts after bad contracts...If Jeter had signed a 7 year deal 10 years ago he would have gotten a big contract 3 years agoInstead he banked 60 million over those 3 years and is now 36Apples and oranges
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The new austerity
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A couple more reasons why Jorge's deal may have made more sense:1. He was coming off one of, if not his best ever year. If he did somewhat less the first year, a bit less the second and then real decline in the third/fourth years, yanks could live with that2. It would have been much harder to replace Posada's production considering his prior year than it would be to replace Jeters, even at SS3. The Yanks hadnt won the WS in a while when they made that deal. It was getting to the end of Boss' life and fans were getting anxious with all the money spent and no championships for nearly a decade. SO, if Posada could help them to a WS ring in year one or two, who cared what came after (mission successful).4. Posada was probably more sought after by other teams than Jeter is. Jeter's value is to the Yanks, but the Yanks, as I explained before, provide Jeter with FAR more value than he does to them at this point of his career.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Eephus said:
Tremendous Upside said:
Workhorse said:
So you gave Jorge Posada, a 36 year old catcher, a 4 year contract.You won't go above 3 years for Derek Jeter? Really?
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You can't chase bad contracts after bad contracts...If Jeter had signed a 7 year deal 10 years ago he would have gotten a big contract 3 years agoInstead he banked 60 million over those 3 years and is now 36Apples and oranges
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The new austerity
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It's a paradigm shift
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Could almost call it a tipping point.
 
boubucarow said:
Okay, so I know he is re-signing with the Yanks. But do you actually think any team will top 3Y/45M with a serious offer?
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Not a chance, unless they are really stupid.Below average fielder, vastly overrated hitter (.710 OPS), and he will be 37 next season. As a Red Sox fan, I am hoping he resigns with the Yanks.
 
Balco said:
boubucarow said:
Okay, so I know he is re-signing with the Yanks. But do you actually think any team will top 3Y/45M with a serious offer?
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Not a chance, unless they are really stupid.Below average fielder, vastly overrated hitter (.710 OPS), and he will be 37 next season. As a Red Sox fan, I am hoping he resigns with the Yanks.
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While I think he will eventually sign with the Yankees, I bet another team will offer him more than 3 for 45. I don't know the answer to this, but ho much revenue do you think Jeter will generate for a club during his chase for 3,000 hits? I wouldn't be surprised to see the Orioles make a play at him. They need a SS to fill the gap until Machado is ready and the club desperately needs something to spark the franchise.
 
Tuco said:
Balco said:
boubucarow said:
Okay, so I know he is re-signing with the Yanks. But do you actually think any team will top 3Y/45M with a serious offer?
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Not a chance, unless they are really stupid.Below average fielder, vastly overrated hitter (.710 OPS), and he will be 37 next season. As a Red Sox fan, I am hoping he resigns with the Yanks.
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While I think he will eventually sign with the Yankees, I bet another team will offer him more than 3 for 45. I don't know the answer to this, but ho much revenue do you think Jeter will generate for a club during his chase for 3,000 hits? I wouldn't be surprised to see the Orioles make a play at him. They need a SS to fill the gap until Machado is ready and the club desperately needs something to spark the franchise.
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Other than Righetti, how many additional fans will really be drawn to the park for the chance to see Jeter's 74 hits leading up to 3,000? There could be a slight bump when he gets within 3 or 4 but that's just as likely to happen during a road trip.Jeter is as big of a star as there is in today's game but I don't think an infield of Jeter, Tiger Woods, the Pope and Zenyatta would have enough impact at the gate to justify overpaying him by $20M over the life of the contract.
 
This is going to be delicious if neither side are willing to budge for a while. The New York sports media are getting early Christmas presents. The stories are writing themselves.

I always root for Yankee chaos.

 
45 million dollars for three years is way more than an old SS could get on the open market. The Yankees just finished paying Jeter 189 Million over the last ten years. So in reality if Jeter accepted it would be a a 234 Million dollar contract for for last 13 season with the Yankees. One of the best contracts in MLB history.

Jete was paid his highest amount for his most productive years. 15 million a year for his twilight years is more than fair.

 
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Please See Mine said:
Balco said:
boubucarow said:
Okay, so I know he is re-signing with the Yanks. But do you actually think any team will top 3Y/45M with a serious offer?
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Not a chance, unless they are really stupid.Below average fielder, vastly overrated hitter (.710 OPS), and he will be 37 next season.

As a Red Sox fan, I am hoping he resigns with the Yanks.
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http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/.a/6...4e9c5970c-400wi
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Please no. And check out the guy right above him in as ops rankings.SCUTARO!!!!

 
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