Jets Off Season Moves (2 Viewers)

[Rovers]

Jets cuts, most official, all reported by multiple sources:

D Barrett, CB

D Bowens, LB

B Kassel, LB

C Baker, TE

B Moore, ROG

Rumor mill reports:

E Smith, DB

B Smith, WR

S Ellis, DE

The Jets have not signed any of their own FA's:

E Barton, LB

CJ Mosely, DE

B Franks, TE

T Law, CB

Brandon Moore is not official, but unless he renogotiates at the combine as I type, rumor is he'll get released. This is the only cut I would have a problem with. Moore comes off his best season as a pro. The Jets have nada to replace him.

 

[LBH]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

 

[NYRAGE]

Just a rumor...Kitna may have been traded to the Jets

http://det.scout.com/a.z?s=93&p=9&...98765%26fhn%3d1

RoarReport.com has learned that the Detroit Lions may have dealt veteran quarterback Jon Kitna to the New York Jets in exchange for a late-round draft choice.

A league source informed RoarReport.com of the deal late Thursday night, but thus far we have not been able to confirm the report.

Kitna, who is due a roster bonus March 1 worth $500,000 or $1 million, wasn't expected to return in Detroit for 2009, an assumption that was nearly clinched when the team restructured the contract of veteran Daunte Culpepper.

It is expected that the Lions will prepare for the regular season with Culpepper as the starter, along with former second-round pick Drew Stanton and possibly re-signing Dan Orlovsky. The team also harbors the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, which many believe will be used to select Georgia signal caller Matt Stafford or USC's Mark Sanchez.

Kitna turns 37 in September, and has spent the previous three years in Detroit. He tossed for over 4,000 yards in both 2006 and 2007, before what some considered a "phantom" back injury ended his 2008 campaign. Privately, Kitna was disgruntled with Detroit's new offensive philosophy following two years of relative success under guru Mike Martz.

 

[Rovers]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

Few people relize this, but Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL last year. Kitna? Would make some sense... having a vet around in the mix.

 

[sheerterror]

Not a fan of Bowens getting cut. I liked his versatility and he seemed to be very productive whenever he saw the field. If they really wanted bang for their buck in terms of cutting salaries, Bryan Thomas would have been much better off getting shown the door.

 

[Boston]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

Few people relize this, but Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL last year.

Rovers-I'm not doubting you but how this determined? Especially for a position where one's effectiveness doesn't neccessarily translate to stats because of the nature of the 3-4.

 

[brednbuddah]

glad someone finally realized just how useless Barrett is.

outside of the already stated B.Moore and S.Ellis, I'm surprised to see B.Smith rumored to be cut.

wouldn't be uspset to see Kitna come in as starter and/or to push the younger guys. It's a good idea. I was hoping the Jets would acquire Leftwich for the same reason. Kitna, Leftwich. doesn't really matter as long as they don't bring in someone who is going to remove all hope for Clemens, Ratliff or Ainge to outshine whichever veteran they do decide to bring in.

 

[TLEF316]

IMO, Brad Smith being cut=Percy Harvin being SERIOUSLY looked at in the first round.

Moore being cut makes no sense. He's not a world beater, but he played well this year. And as we all know, the Jets don't have anybody behind anybody on the O-line.

 

[brednbuddah]

It don't think Ryan is going to use the #1 pick on offense. especially, on a WR in a draft that is supposedly deep in WRs.

I'm thinking Orakpo or my personal choice, Maualuga. Him combined with Harris in the middle of the 3-4 and Gholston on the outside? That's a very young, fast and aggressive bunch of LBs. Maualuga could be a possibilty at #17... Bowens cut and Barton not resigned could be a sign...

 

[Bri]

Just a rumor...Kitna may have been traded to the Jets

http://det.scout.com/a.z?s=93&p=9&...98765%26fhn%3d1

RoarReport.com has learned that the Detroit Lions may have dealt veteran quarterback Jon Kitna to the New York Jets in exchange for a late-round draft choice.

Michael Irvin radio show had Kitna going to the Cowboys. They were joking around alot as well, so I wouldn't say that was definitive either.

 

[Bri]

Baker's a pretty good vet some team will be glad to get for depth.

I've never thought TE talent was very good in the NFL as a whole, so along those lines, he could also go start on some teams.

I hope Miami signs Brad Smith and adds a new wrinkle to their Wildcat. If KC signs him, can he back up Thigpen(in that style of play) at QB?

Jets just seem doomed without a QB, without a good QB.

 

[bcr8f]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

Few people relize this, but Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL last year. Kitna? Would make some sense... having a vet around in the mix.

Herman Johnson looked pretty svelte in the 40(for a guy that weighs 364 lbs.). Still want him in the 2nd round?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Kitna is old and terrible. I really hope the Jets don't get him.

 

[jwb]

IMO, Brad Smith being cut=Percy Harvin being SERIOUSLY looked at in the first round.

Moore being cut makes no sense. He's not a world beater, but he played well this year. And as we all know, the Jets don't have anybody behind anybody on the O-line.

I really don't think so. Smith was more or less a gimmick player, and not seriously involved in the actual passing game (he had 12 runs and 12 catches in 08). Coles, Cotchery, Stucki, Clowny, and a 3rd round+ pick or two - those will be your WR. As far as Kitna - that makes perfect sense to me. Kitna is not someone you signed as a FA, so there's much less pressure to put him at the top of the qb depth chart. If you sign Leftwich (etc), well, he's probably your starter (or at least the leader going into camp - meaning it's his job to lose). Kitna is going to start from the same starting line and have to beat out Ratliff and Clemens. If he does, great, but it gives the other two more of a fair shot (which is what I want to see) than if they bring in a younger FA type.

 

[LBH]

Jets coach Rex Ryan admits that the organization is "probably split right down the middle" in preferring Brent Ratliff or Kellen Clemens.

Quite an admission considering Ratliff has barely played and doesn't have the same pedigree. By all indications, it sounds like Ratliff has a better chance of being a long-term answer for Gang Green.Source: New York Daily News

 

[Reaper]

Baker's a pretty good vet some team will be glad to get for depth.I've never thought TE talent was very good in the NFL as a whole, so along those lines, he could also go start on some teams. I hope Miami signs Brad Smith and adds a new wrinkle to their Wildcat. If KC signs him, can he back up Thigpen(in that style of play) at QB?Jets just seem doomed without a QB, without a good QB.

I agree with Chase on Kitna... Wouldn't even think he's a Ryan type QB. Surprised to hear this info.To me, Clemens, with his time in this system, will give you just as good overall QB play from last year or better. IMO he looked good in his 1st year, better than Chad, and played with that same troubled OL Chad did along with some killer drops.Ryan was asked how long it would take for this defense to play like the Ravens and his answer was basically NOW. He said they needed two pieces. I can see Bart Scott and Leonard coming from Balt and then a draft pick maybe at CB shoring up a defense that was frankly, damn good at times last year already. They lacked agressiveness which is here already.As for Miami getting Brad Smith, good luck. I cringed most of the time he was in the game - if they can do better then fine. I think overall Miami will have it's hands full - a lot of teams have a magical season and then a step back - even Parcell's teams in the past. This Jets defense won't give Chad all day again.Maybe draft a QB later on - rumor was they were looking at the QB from K-State. Give Clemens /Rhatliff a chance and fortify everthing else this year.

 

[Bri]

I hope Miami signs Brad Smith and adds a new wrinkle to their Wildcat. If KC signs him, can he back up Thigpen(in that style of play) at QB?Jets just seem doomed without a QB, without a good QB.

To me, Clemens, with his time in this system, will give you just as good overall QB play from last year or better. IMO he looked good in his 1st year, better than Chad, and played with that same troubled OL Chad did along with some killer drops.As for Miami getting Brad Smith, good luck. I cringed most of the time he was in the game - if they can do better then fine. I think overall Miami will have it's hands full - a lot of teams have a magical season and then a step back - even Parcell's teams in the past. This Jets defense won't give Chad all day again.Maybe draft a QB later on - rumor was they were looking at the QB from K-State. Give Clemens /Rhatliff a chance and fortify everthing else this year.

I was only thinking of Smith for the gimmick plays. I don't think he really develloped into a good WR or QB so he's only minimally useful. I imagine there's a bunch of other qualities he has that made the Jets keep him til now but...Average doesn't work at QB in the NFL. They have to do something very well to gameplan on. They don't have to be great but one thing's gotta be there. They could be very efficient or air it out for a ton of yards(and accompanying TDs and INTs) it doesn't matter what it is so much so that it's workable. There's little doubt in my mind that if the Titans add just a few more pieces, efficient Kerry could lead them to a title. Little doubt that if the Saints built a very good D, teams couldn't keep up with Brees. Then there's the veteran wisdom that you just can't wish for enough. Aaron Rodgers did fairly well but how many games did GB win? What's fairly young Carson won? Young Peyton didn't win either til he got that wisdom. In general, you have to lose before you win and get to the Supe. There's a few that scoot by and defy that like Roth and Brady but there's usually a lesson to be learned.I don't think Ratliff or Clemons are worth the time waiting for that wisdom. Won't they still be average? If you wanted to talk as a backup-few years down the road- that's a different story. I don't think the Jets ever make a Supe with those two at QB. Another thing, IMO only Ratliff has ever had "it". While just in preseason "my QB" has to have that. Kevin O'Connell of the Pats had it. Vince Young had it as a rook. I wouldn't build a team around Vince but nor would I fault someone for thinking he was worth a shot (he'd have to be cheap) because of how he played then. He's easy to "beat up on" for his play since but, he put his team on his back and led them to the playoffs seemingly all by himself. So if I were the Jets GM, it'd be Ratliff and if I had to I'd avoid controversy before it loomed large and trade Clemons away at the first hint of it. There's plenty of examples of QB controversy ruining teams and also a QB doing better once the controversy is removed(like Garrard recently). If Ratliff gets you excited, I'll change my tune here but so long as he's average I think they can only go so far.

 

[PatrickT]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

Few people relize this, but Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL last year. Kitna? Would make some sense... having a vet around in the mix.

Ellis was the first name that popped out at me, given Atlanta's needs. Wonder if he could transition to the 4-3 at this stage, and how much gas he has left...

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The immediately important fantasy news I see here is that Keller is unquestionably the #1, every-down TE going forward. No Greg Olsen/Desmond Clark nonsense here.

 

[TLEF316]

IMO, Brad Smith being cut=Percy Harvin being SERIOUSLY looked at in the first round.

Moore being cut makes no sense. He's not a world beater, but he played well this year. And as we all know, the Jets don't have anybody behind anybody on the O-line.

I really don't think so. Smith was more or less a gimmick player, and not seriously involved in the actual passing game (he had 12 runs and 12 catches in 08). Coles, Cotchery, Stucki, Clowny, and a 3rd round+ pick or two - those will be your WR. As far as Kitna - that makes perfect sense to me. Kitna is not someone you signed as a FA, so there's much less pressure to put him at the top of the qb depth chart. If you sign Leftwich (etc), well, he's probably your starter (or at least the leader going into camp - meaning it's his job to lose). Kitna is going to start from the same starting line and have to beat out Ratliff and Clemens. If he does, great, but it gives the other two more of a fair shot (which is what I want to see) than if they bring in a younger FA type.

I'm thinking more about harvin/smith as the ball carrier in the wild cat. i dont think that formation is gonna just go away next year. without smith, the jets have nobody to run it.

 

[The Red Scare]

Kitna is old and terrible. I really hope the Jets don't get him.

Didn't stop them from snagging Favre.

 

[Rovers]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

Few people relize this, but Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL last year.

Rovers-I'm not doubting you but how this determined? Especially for a position where one's effectiveness doesn't neccessarily translate to stats because of the nature of the 3-4.

Based on tackle, assist, sack and FF numbers, Ellis had the biggest numbers amoung 3-4 DE's with Seymour right behind him... any other way to describe "productivity" gets pretty subjective. As far as QB goes, again, I see nothing wrong with having Kitna behind Clemens and Ratliff. Clemens can manage a game, and yes, it was preseason and against 3rd stringers, but Ratliff did have a 120 something QB rating in last year's preseason. He certainly can't be ruled out as an option at QB. Clemens goes into his 4th year in the system, Ratliff his 3rd. They both know the offense and that is half the battle. Why some people are convinced that Ratliff has no chance at being a good NFL QB I can not understand. Moore... he had a 7 mil roster bonus due, and refused to renegotiate. The Jets just don't have the cap space to pay that bonus. Thos one will hurt for sure.Brad Smith... I wouldn't look for a WR... this just gives Clowney a chance to play. He is the fastest WR on the roster. Yes, I'd still love to draft Herman Johnson in the second round, now even more so. Faneca isn't getting any younger either. Baker pulled too much nonsense, like parking his Bentley in the team president's parking space on purpose when he wanted a new contract. The Jets will be looking for a blocking TE.I don't put much credibility on the rumors regarding Ellis.

 

[jwb]

IMO, Brad Smith being cut=Percy Harvin being SERIOUSLY looked at in the first round.

Moore being cut makes no sense. He's not a world beater, but he played well this year. And as we all know, the Jets don't have anybody behind anybody on the O-line.

I really don't think so. Smith was more or less a gimmick player, and not seriously involved in the actual passing game (he had 12 runs and 12 catches in 08). Coles, Cotchery, Stucki, Clowny, and a 3rd round+ pick or two - those will be your WR. As far as Kitna - that makes perfect sense to me. Kitna is not someone you signed as a FA, so there's much less pressure to put him at the top of the qb depth chart. If you sign Leftwich (etc), well, he's probably your starter (or at least the leader going into camp - meaning it's his job to lose). Kitna is going to start from the same starting line and have to beat out Ratliff and Clemens. If he does, great, but it gives the other two more of a fair shot (which is what I want to see) than if they bring in a younger FA type.

I'm thinking more about harvin/smith as the ball carrier in the wild cat. i dont think that formation is gonna just go away next year. without smith, the jets have nobody to run it.

I think you are giving the wildcat way too much importance. I really doubt the Jets (or anyone) will draft someone in the 1st round because they need someone to run the wildcat formation.

 

[Rovers]

agree on B.Moore. Hes been good for the Jets at RG, and is underrated. Would like to see Ellis stick around for at least another year because I think he can still play and there isnt anybody good enough on the roster to take his place at the moment imo. Dont care about the rest of the cuts or rumors

Few people relize this, but Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL last year. Kitna? Would make some sense... having a vet around in the mix.

Herman Johnson looked pretty svelte in the 40(for a guy that weighs 364 lbs.). Still want him in the 2nd round?

BTW, did you notice his hands are well over 11 inches long? The guy's freakin hands are a foot long! A foot long! His reps were low, but for a guy with arms that measure over a yard long, I'm not sure it means much. He has a seven foot plus wingspan. That's just sick.

 

[1stand2nd]

I'm surprised to see CJ Mosley's name on the list of players not re-signed. He did a good job backing up Jenkins at NT; better than Pouha. He's exlposive enough to play at DE as well. Good versatile Dlineman.

 

[Mikey16x]

IMO, Brad Smith being cut=Percy Harvin being SERIOUSLY looked at in the first round.

Moore being cut makes no sense. He's not a world beater, but he played well this year. And as we all know, the Jets don't have anybody behind anybody on the O-line.

I really don't think so. Smith was more or less a gimmick player, and not seriously involved in the actual passing game (he had 12 runs and 12 catches in 08). Coles, Cotchery, Stucki, Clowny, and a 3rd round+ pick or two - those will be your WR. As far as Kitna - that makes perfect sense to me. Kitna is not someone you signed as a FA, so there's much less pressure to put him at the top of the qb depth chart. If you sign Leftwich (etc), well, he's probably your starter (or at least the leader going into camp - meaning it's his job to lose). Kitna is going to start from the same starting line and have to beat out Ratliff and Clemens. If he does, great, but it gives the other two more of a fair shot (which is what I want to see) than if they bring in a younger FA type.

I'm thinking more about harvin/smith as the ball carrier in the wild cat. i dont think that formation is gonna just go away next year. without smith, the jets have nobody to run it.

I think you are giving the wildcat way too much importance. I really doubt the Jets (or anyone) will draft someone in the 1st round because they need someone to run the wildcat formation.

, the Wildcat offense had it's 15 minutes of fame in the NFL. I'm pretty sure the frenzy is over. It's still baffles me as to why other teams tried to do it, Sparano only did it because he analyzed his team and focused on his strong points. He's thin at WR with Ginn, Camarillo and Bess... and had two good RB's, which is basically very important in that offense. Why teams like the Steelers attempted it was beyond me, they didn't have to... they have a potent offense already. For a team to draft key players to start running a wildcat offense would be the worst drafting by a team in NFL history. If the Dolphins use their draft picks wisely and make a couple of FA moves, I'm pretty sure they'll even begin to shy away from it themselves.

 

[Reaper]

Interesting blurb here that I think has Fantasy value as well as Jets....

-- Laveranues Coles Watch --

Sun Feb 22, 2009

*

The New York Daily News reports the situation with Jets WR Laveranues Coles bears watching. He has one year left on his contract ($6 million guaranteed) and he's looking for a long-term extension. The Jets aren't going to do that. They could end up releasing him, but a lot depends on Coles' attitude. HC Rex Ryan said he spoke with Coles by phone and they had "a great meeting." We'll see. The Jets are definitely looking for a speed receiver, although they're really high on WR David Clowney. Some holdovers in the organization can't believe that former HC Eric Mangini didn't give Clowney more of a chance last season.

1) Coles has been somewhat of a malcontent for a while - His salary is guaranteed so, I'm not sure how they could just let him go but, at this point I don't think there's any reason to throw more money or years at a guy like this - If the guy was 100% TEAM first I could see it but, every year seems like a money grab for Coles... NOt sure what he thionks he could get out on the open market - I've been saying for a while now that he'd probably love a Parcells / Chad reunion.. Could he renegotiate and give up money to allow the Jets to release him or does he just play the year as if he was tagged?

I won't be drafting Coles in any league this year.

Which leads to...

2) Some holdovers in the organization can't believe that former HC Eric Mangini didn't give Clowney more of a chance last season

This is a guy for the Fantasy radar. Of course they could add a WR somewhere else but, it seems this guy's got talent and work ethic.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jets cuts, most official, all reported by multiple sources:C Baker, TEB Moore, ROGRumor mill reports:B Smith, WRS Ellis, DE

Baker is kind of a surpise.. I don't see Keller taking over the TE full-time role yet; I envision him as a slot-TE.Moore is a big surpise and will be missed; I hope Coach Ryan has a plan to bring someone good.Brad Smith hasn't really done anythingEllis was solid last yr out-side of him smoking grass in Giant Stadium's parking lot one night after practice.

 

[brednbuddah]

2) Some holdovers in the organization can't believe that former HC Eric Mangini didn't give Clowney more of a chance last season

This is a guy for the Fantasy radar. Of course they could add a WR somewhere else but, it seems this guy's got talent and work ethic.

Mangini was weird like that last year. It seemed like he didn't have much patience with most of the younger players. Clowney, Lowery, Gholston...

 

[Rovers]

I went out and got Clowney on every dynasty team I have. The kid has had some bad luck with injuries. If he can stay healthy... he is the fastest WR on the Jets roster and maybe the best hands too. Mangini... the more I look back on his tenure in NY, the more I scratch my head. I think the success he had as a rookie HC went to his head. I didn't see him make any attempt in TC to help Gholston at all, even thouh the kid looked lost. Then when he was butting heads with Kendall, he assigned him to the rookie dorm in training camp. I think Mangini may be a little whacky, especially after he took that mural down in Cleveland. Lowery... well, he just doesn't have the speed IMO.

Baker has been a whiner, like Coles. When he wanted a new contract, he parked his Bentley in the team presidents parking spot on purpose. Good way to get shown the door. The Jets will find a blocking TE to tandem with Keller.

Coles is an enigma. He plays hurt and in serious pain all the time. He plays with concussions. He works as hard as any member of the team. He whines, often and loudly. He seems to think that if he does all these things, he deserves to get whatever he wants whenever he wants it. The Jets are stuck with him. He's a 6 mil cap hit if they keep him or cut him. He wants yet another contract. He got traded to the Redskins all those years ago for the same reasons. Then the Skins traded him back, for the same reasons.

 

[Reaper]

There's a role for Lowery though. He's a football player. Guy went from someone Jet's fans never heard of, to the starting CB role opposite Revis which, by definition, is one of the toughest jobs in the NFL... And now all the way to the Jets fan's scrap heap... Not you Rover's but, when you go on these Jets fan sites like GG....

Cole's is out of his mind. Sure he may want a long term deal but, what he has now Guaranteed is more than he deserves for the next 3-4 years let alone ONE... The Jets really did this guy a favor putting the chips in his court and now he'll probably take full advantage. I guess in his world getting cut, collecting the Jets money and then STILL getting a contract somewhere else is the best of all worlds... Sounds exactly like Kendall to me, do they have the same agent... Just wait till we hear how the Jets "lied to him and promised him this and that" Meanwhile guy, look around, you're numbers don't make sense.

Talking this through, the best case for the Jets might be for Coles to hold out and forfeit some money back... Sadly, this just might be a case of Coles playing out the year as a PIA malcontent, Holding out till game time and whining all the way.

Bottomline: The Jets need a WR.

 

[TLEF316]

I'm so tired of Coles' act. He isnt an elite player, and the jets have compensated him fairly. I understand wanting some security, but it just seems like its every year with this guy.

I'd rather just let him sit.

 

[jwb]

I'm so tired of Coles' act. He isnt an elite player, and the jets have compensated him fairly. I understand wanting some security, but it just seems like its every year with this guy. I'd rather just let him sit.

Me too. Gutty gamer, but with a lot of noise along the way. I'd really like to see what we have in Clowny - he looked intriguing in preseason last year, and from what I hear, the organization is very high on him (and we have Coles anyway this year, meaning we don't need a WR to step right in). If it doesn't work out, they draft a WR high next year.

 

[tombonneau]

Jets cuts, most official, all reported by multiple sources Barrett, CBD Bowens, LBB Kassel, LBC Baker, TEB Moore, ROGRumor mill reports:E Smith, DBB Smith, WRS Ellis, DEThe Jets have not signed any of their own FA's:E Barton, LBCJ Mosely, DEB Franks, TET Law, CB

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2009 Cleveland Browns!

 

[Rovers]

Reaper, as you guessed, I am not that down on Lowery at all. I think he will spot play at CB, safety and nickel, and get penty of snaps in those roles. I just think that Ryan will have the CB's in man coverage a lot, and Lowery just doesn't have the quicks for that.

I have a hunch it might look like this:

Revis

A 1st or 2nd round rookie CB

Another vet CB, Bodden, McAllister, maybe even Greer from Buffalo.

Safeties: Rhodes, Leonhard, Lowery, Elam

I think Smith gets cut. (both of them)

The big question is Scott. The Ravens 25 year old center, Brown is coming off a decent year, is an FA like Scott, and has the same agent. That agent says the Ravens will sign one of them, probably not both. I think if the Ravens resign Scott, the Jets go after Brown, who can play guard to replace Moore and can also serve as a versatile backup to Mangold. If they sign Scott, the Jets go after Brown, maybe resign Barton and draft a CB and an ILB in the first two rounds.

If the Ravens sign Brown and not Scott, the Jets go after Scott and look for O line in the second or third round. I am actually starting to think Brown might even be a better option than Scott, because he can shift to C should Mangold get dinged up. I'm worried about the O line... a lot. They might also look at shifting Woody to guard and drafting a RT.

The JETs have 3 gaping holes: ILB, CB, OG. Brown or Scott fills one of those holes. Barton is a fall back at ILB.

Hutchinson says the Jets are roughly @ 20mil under the cap, with the Moore cut and the other moves, including the incentive hits. Ravens are at 19 after tagging Suggs. I have a hard time believing the Jets are FA players for Lewis. I don't think Dallas has the cap for Lewis, and Lewis may be stuck with Baltimore whether he likes it or not. If Lewis waits too long, and the Ravens sign Scott, he might be SOL.

 

[NYRAGE]

It appears that linebacker Bart Scott and the Ravens are moving closer to possibly getting a deal done before the midnight deadline Friday for free agency. If the Ravens sign Scott, where does that leave Pro Bowl middle linebacker Ray Lewis?

That's interesting, because there is speculation that Scott could replace Lewis on the inside if the Ravens can't get a new deal done with Lewis. It would make sense because Scott is younger and runs better than Lewis. In the scheme a year ago, Scott was asked to do more than Lewis, like taking on lead blocks so Lewis could make tackles. Scott also covered tight ends and running backs in pass coverage a lot more the Lewis.

Lewis apparently irritated owner Steve Bisciotti recently with his comments at the Pro Bowl about possibly playing for the New York Jets or Dallas Cowboys. Bisciotti and Lewis are friends, and Bisciotti even fired head coach Brian Billick partially because Lewis failed to support Billick.

Bisciotti has had nothing but kind words about Lewis publicly with regard to negotiations, saying the team would outbid other teams and would not put the franchise tag on Lewis. But Bisciotti was disappointed that Lewis didn't show loyalty to the franchise at the Pro Bowl.

 

[Rovers]

It appears that linebacker Bart Scott and the Ravens are moving closer to possibly getting a deal done before the midnight deadline Friday for free agency. If the Ravens sign Scott, where does that leave Pro Bowl middle linebacker Ray Lewis?

That's interesting, because there is speculation that Scott could replace Lewis on the inside if the Ravens can't get a new deal done with Lewis. It would make sense because Scott is younger and runs better than Lewis. In the scheme a year ago, Scott was asked to do more than Lewis, like taking on lead blocks so Lewis could make tackles. Scott also covered tight ends and running backs in pass coverage a lot more the Lewis.

Lewis apparently irritated owner Steve Bisciotti recently with his comments at the Pro Bowl about possibly playing for the New York Jets or Dallas Cowboys. Bisciotti and Lewis are friends, and Bisciotti even fired head coach Brian Billick partially because Lewis failed to support Billick.

Bisciotti has had nothing but kind words about Lewis publicly with regard to negotiations, saying the team would outbid other teams and would not put the franchise tag on Lewis. But Bisciotti was disappointed that Lewis didn't show loyalty to the franchise at the Pro Bowl.

That's what I'm talking about... if they sign Scott, they have Taveris Gooden to take Scott's spot, and LEWIS IS on the outside looking in. I want NO part of Lewis. The guy was yapping about how the Jets should bring Favre back if they had any hope of signing him. He isn't even an FA yet, and he's telling the Jets how to run the franchise. I look at Lewis as an aging in decline loudmouth who needs a triple dose of #### humility. It would serve him right to get left out in the cold. The funny thing is he probably thinks he's worth Haynesworth money. Ray Ray is gonna be crying... very soon... but has he ever not stopped crying? Let him go play for the Raiders for a one year 5 mil contract.

 

[Kiddnets]

Another casualty - Mike Nugent

Looks like Feely will sign a multi year deal - I am fine with him

Thanks for the great 2nd rd pick Badaway!

 

[Kiddnets]

It appears that linebacker Bart Scott and the Ravens are moving closer to possibly getting a deal done before the midnight deadline Friday for free agency. If the Ravens sign Scott, where does that leave Pro Bowl middle linebacker Ray Lewis?

That's interesting, because there is speculation that Scott could replace Lewis on the inside if the Ravens can't get a new deal done with Lewis. It would make sense because Scott is younger and runs better than Lewis. In the scheme a year ago, Scott was asked to do more than Lewis, like taking on lead blocks so Lewis could make tackles. Scott also covered tight ends and running backs in pass coverage a lot more the Lewis.

Lewis apparently irritated owner Steve Bisciotti recently with his comments at the Pro Bowl about possibly playing for the New York Jets or Dallas Cowboys. Bisciotti and Lewis are friends, and Bisciotti even fired head coach Brian Billick partially because Lewis failed to support Billick.

Bisciotti has had nothing but kind words about Lewis publicly with regard to negotiations, saying the team would outbid other teams and would not put the franchise tag on Lewis. But Bisciotti was disappointed that Lewis didn't show loyalty to the franchise at the Pro Bowl.

That's what I'm talking about... if they sign Scott, they have Taveris Gooden to take Scott's spot, and LEWIS IS on the outside looking in. I want NO part of Lewis. The guy was yapping about how the Jets should bring Favre back if they had any hope of signing him. He isn't even an FA yet, and he's telling the Jets how to run the franchise. I look at Lewis as an aging in decline loudmouth who needs a triple dose of #### humility. It would serve him right to get left out in the cold. The funny thing is he probably thinks he's worth Haynesworth money. Ray Ray is gonna be crying... very soon... but has he ever not stopped crying? Let him go play for the Raiders for a one year 5 mil contract.

Ronnie LottArt Monk

Leonard Marshall

Ty LawJ

Brett Favre

Can the Jets finally stop signing these guys who are at the end and find someone in their prime! Just say no to Lewis!

 

[Rovers]

WOW! They cut Coles. That doesn't even save any cap money. I guess Tannenbaum just had enough of his consatnt whining. Every year it was something with this guy. Still, I'm near to being shocked, I figured they would put up with him for one more year.

I guess the CS really does like Clowney.

 

[Rovers]

Apparently some sort of deal was reached that Coles agreed to release the Jets from paying him to gain his release... that means a 6 mil cap savings. By my info, that puts the Jets at around 27 mil under the cap. I wonder of Bart Scott just realized that maybe he should wait on resigning with the Ravens....

 

[ChuckLiddell]

The Jets D should be pretty good - especially if they are able to land Bart Scott. But how are they going to score any points?

? at QB

Cotchery is a weak WR1

? at WR2/3

T.Jones is not getting any younger (Leon Washington is solid)

? at OG

This looks like a fantasy football wasteland, and a reality football problem too!

 

[TLEF316]

wow.

 

[Rovers]

The Jets D should be pretty good - especially if they are able to land Bart Scott. But how are they going to score any points?? at QBCotchery is a weak WR1? at WR2/3T.Jones is not getting any younger (Leon Washington is solid)? at OGThis looks like a fantasy football wasteland, and a reality football problem too!

Looks like Ryan just wants to run the ball and run it some more, while attempting to build a top 3 NFL defense? That plays into them going with Clemens/Ratliff. The Jets may yet re-sign Moore, or could go after the Ravens Center'OG Brown who is FA. I think the CS is extremely high on Clowney, Keller is a target, and even Leon Washington can play slot. Housh? Dare I say Boldin? Biggest hole is still at CB... lots of ??? right now, few answers.

 

[CalBear]

Can the Jets finally stop signing these guys who are at the end and find someone in their prime!

They say there are lots of good tight ends in this draft...

 

[the branded hand]

The Jets D should be pretty good - especially if they are able to land Bart Scott. But how are they going to score any points?? at QBCotchery is a weak WR1? at WR2/3T.Jones is not getting any younger (Leon Washington is solid)? at OGThis looks like a fantasy football wasteland, and a reality football problem too!

Looks like Ryan just wants to run the ball and run it some more, while attempting to build a top 3 NFL defense? That plays into them going with Clemens/Ratliff. The Jets may yet re-sign Moore, or could go after the Ravens Center'OG Brown who is FA. I think the CS is extremely high on Clowney, Keller is a target, and even Leon Washington can play slot. Housh? Dare I say Boldin? Biggest hole is still at CB... lots of ??? right now, few answers.

With a offensive that accomplished this:1. The rushing offense was ranked 9th in the NFL.2. The Jets offense scored 25.3 points a game ranking 3rd in the AFC.3. The offense averaged 331 yards a game ranking 7th in the AFC.4. Nick Mangold and Alan Faneca were named to the AFC Pro-Bowl roster.Do you think would go:1. Wells or Moreno round 1 / FA WR this year, QB next year2. Heyward-Bey round 1 / FA RB this year, QB next year3. CB and roll the dice for needThere are too many ways to see this pie being sliced, but Ryan is definately doling out the humble pie right now. Thomas Jones isn't getting any younger and Coles being released... well we'll just have to see.I know CB is a concern, but there are a lot of FA's available who could serve as a stop-gap. What's their cap room like ? ? ?Most importantly, how do you see all of this affecting their draft ? ? ?

 

[Reaper]

Apparently some sort of deal was reached that Coles agreed to release the Jets from paying him to gain his release... that means a 6 mil cap savings. By my info, that puts the Jets at around 27 mil under the cap. I wonder of Bart Scott just realized that maybe he should wait on resigning with the Ravens....

WOW - In by above scenario I never saw Coles just walking away from 6 Million.Now watch Coles get a deal that he thinks is long term and more money but in 3 years when he gets cut he'll be like HUHHHH???? And not grasp how he just made 6 Million over 3 years instead of ONE.While the Jets now need a WR, which they did anyway... I kinda think Coles just did them a little favor cuz 6 mill for Coles right now, his whining and his injury risks might be a little high...Also watch him go to Miami and watch Chad get benched after 8 weeks and he could start his routine again.

 

[Reaper]

The Jets D should be pretty good - especially if they are able to land Bart Scott. But how are they going to score any points?? at QBCotchery is a weak WR1? at WR2/3T.Jones is not getting any younger (Leon Washington is solid)? at OGThis looks like a fantasy football wasteland, and a reality football problem too!

Moore can be replaced. And Coles was a gonner next year any way and is always an injury concern.... So, as bleak as you want to paint it, it looks like necessary change to me...I said weeks ago they needed a WR...Add to the OL, continue to pound the ball... I still think one of these Qb's will step up and will have a lot of things in place around him - Defense, OL, RB, TE and some decent WR talent - All that before FA and the draft.At this point they go after what they can get in FA and the draft will be open to go any which way... OL, WR, CB even LB or DE.I like to draft OL - seems like every year OL are the easiest to predict - Round 2 will be loaded with Guards as always.

 

[Rovers]

The Jets D should be pretty good - especially if they are able to land Bart Scott. But how are they going to score any points?? at QBCotchery is a weak WR1? at WR2/3T.Jones is not getting any younger (Leon Washington is solid)? at OGThis looks like a fantasy football wasteland, and a reality football problem too!

Looks like Ryan just wants to run the ball and run it some more, while attempting to build a top 3 NFL defense? That plays into them going with Clemens/Ratliff. The Jets may yet re-sign Moore, or could go after the Ravens Center'OG Brown who is FA. I think the CS is extremely high on Clowney, Keller is a target, and even Leon Washington can play slot. Housh? Dare I say Boldin? Biggest hole is still at CB... lots of ??? right now, few answers.

With a offensive that accomplished this:1. The rushing offense was ranked 9th in the NFL.2. The Jets offense scored 25.3 points a game ranking 3rd in the AFC.3. The offense averaged 331 yards a game ranking 7th in the AFC.4. Nick Mangold and Alan Faneca were named to the AFC Pro-Bowl roster.Do you think would go:1. Wells or Moreno round 1 / FA WR this year, QB next year2. Heyward-Bey round 1 / FA RB this year, QB next year3. CB and roll the dice for needThere are too many ways to see this pie being sliced, but Ryan is definately doling out the humble pie right now. Thomas Jones isn't getting any younger and Coles being released... well we'll just have to see.I know CB is a concern, but there are a lot of FA's available who could serve as a stop-gap. What's their cap room like ? ? ?Most importantly, how do you see all of this affecting their draft ? ? ?

The entire Jets strategy hinges on whether or not they sign Bary Scott IMO. Ryan wants to build one of the best defenses in the NFL. He wants to win ToP, run the ball, and attack on defense. Bodden, McAllister and a handful of others might be brought in, but if Vontae Davis is still there at 17, that's the pick. Then it's gets more difficult to guess at. I think the Jets will look for an RB, but no way in the first round under any circumstance. The Jets O numbers got pretty inflated in the AZ game when Favre threw 6 TD passes. The offense wasn't as good as it looks on paper. A high priority has to be put on either a RT moving Woody to guard, or a guard in the draft, if they dont sign Brown, the Ravens C/OG who is now an FA. (soon) I'd love to get Brown and have a backup for Mangold. I still remember the nightmare of Kendal trying to play C when Mawae got hurt. 5 or 6 fumbled exchanges in three games. That was a nightmare. The Jets have a boatload of cap now though. At least 27 mil, maybe more. (once they cut Moore)The holes as I still see them:CBILBRGAfter those positions, they could well go BPA in the draft. If they will run as much as Ryan says they will, another RB has to be high on the list. I think a rookie would be the best fit. I can't see Jones sharing with a F Taylor or L Johnson. Jones is nother one already whining about wanting new contract. He won't get it. I've said it before... they will not go after a QB, FA or draft. I don't think a WR is high on their list either. If one they REALLY like falls to the second, they might go that way but I doubt it. They keep talking about Clowney. They love this kid. He is after all, the fastest WR on the team and might have the best hands in that group as well. There is still this kid Henry on the practice squad. Big WR, end zone target type. I usually get some info on what the Jets are doing, but not always. This Coles thing came out of left field. Took me completely off guard. It surprised some people within the organization too. I can vouch for that. Coles really put it all out there on the field, but his constant whining was annoying. I'm not sorry to see him go, not to mention he's one hit away from following Chrebet into retirement for the same reason.

 

[Reaper]

I usually get some info on what the Jets are doing, but not always. This Coles thing came out of left field. Took me completely off guard. It surprised some people within the organization too. I can vouch for that.

Man, I wanted to call this shot. The ONLY thing that didn't make sense was Coles giving up 6 million GUARANTEED. So, I instead wrote above that it was his final year here..... NOBODY could guess a guy will leave 6 Mill on the table. WOW!!!!! Can't wait to see his deal. But, again, Parcells will make it incentive laden and lots of backend money and Miami will get a much better deal than Coles would give the Jets.I completely think this was a gift to the Jets and the front office possibly did summersaults and high fived eachother... Because, Coles was going to be a distraction.. Also if he did finally have a healthy season and played well - FOR WHAT?? The next season he'd still be looking for a ridiculous deal... What if Clemens and / or Ratliff actually develped chemistry with Coles - Again, For what? The guy is a hit away from being knocked out has nagging injuries all over including a toe that was said to never get right and he's a whiner.If he wanted out that badly then SWEET...I think Overall - Ryan and the Jets decided that the odds of a Super Bowl this year was a complete pipe dream and it would be better to step back - Clean house a little more and build back up while getting a better picture on the QB situation.... I'm sure some Jets fans, me incuded looked at a 9 win team that actually underperfromed by a lot and figured a more agressive defense and a few tweaks on offense and they were good to go... But, I like it... Coles wasn't the long term answer. Lets see what Clowney has and maybe bring in a younger guy....One major thing though.. When you step back like this you DO NOT sign 48 year old has been Linebackers!!!!! YOU DO NOT!!!!If they do that, I throw my habds in the air and begin to be scared.