Jim Trotter: Titans' Young left with coal in free-agent stocking (1 Viewer)

[the hairy scotsman]

Jim Trotter: Titans' Young left with coal in free-agent stocking

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was quoted Wednesday morning in The Tennesseean as saying: "We need more weapons for Vince. Now we need more defensive linemen [after losing three free-agents this week.] We are not doing anything. We are really just making ourselves worse, the way I look at it. ... It doesn't look like we're trying to get better."

Haynesworth is not alone in his sentiment. Multiple executives and coaches around the league have wondered what the Titans are doing. Even after re-signing Williams and Gage and using the "franchise" tag on Haynesworth, the Titans were among the league leaders in available cap space. Yet they did nothing to help the wideout corps or maintain the defense. At this point, they are left to pick from the near-bottom of the barrel when it comes to wideouts.

The timing could not be worse for Young, who after nearly two full seasons as a starter, needs to show he's ready to take the next step and become a consistent performer. He regressed last year, throwing nearly twice as many interceptions (17) as touchdown passes (nine). And now he must adjust to a new coordinator in Mike Heimerdinger, who replaces the fired Norm Chow.

Proven playmakers could help smooth the transition for Young, but the Titans appear to be in no hurry to provide them. Perhaps they will rely on the draft, although this year's class is said to be thin at the position and it's generally accepted that it takes a few years for young receivers to develop. General manager Mike Reinfeldt was not immediately available for comment.

I can still remember Young's eyes lighting up last postseason when, before playing the Chargers, he talked about San Diego's offensive playmakers at the skill positions. He went down the list, from running back LaDainian Tomlinson to tight end Antonio Gates to wide receiver Chris Chambers. After each name, he said: "Oh, my goodness."

Young wasn't knocking his teammates. He went to great lengths to say he would go to battle with them any Sunday. But he's no fool, either. He knows that more proven playmakers mean more touchdowns, and more touchdowns mean more wins, and more wins mean less talk about his inconsistencies.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Jim Trotter: Titans' Young left with coal in free-agent stocking

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was quoted Wednesday morning in The Tennesseean as saying: "We need more weapons for Vince. Now we need more defensive linemen [after losing three free-agents this week.] We are not doing anything. We are really just making ourselves worse, the way I look at it. ... It doesn't look like we're trying to get better."

Haynesworth is not alone in his sentiment. Multiple executives and coaches around the league have wondered what the Titans are doing. Even after re-signing Williams and Gage and using the "franchise" tag on Haynesworth, the Titans were among the league leaders in available cap space. Yet they did nothing to help the wideout corps or maintain the defense. At this point, they are left to pick from the near-bottom of the barrel when it comes to wideouts.

The timing could not be worse for Young, who after nearly two full seasons as a starter, needs to show he's ready to take the next step and become a consistent performer. He regressed last year, throwing nearly twice as many interceptions (17) as touchdown passes (nine). And now he must adjust to a new coordinator in Mike Heimerdinger, who replaces the fired Norm Chow.

Proven playmakers could help smooth the transition for Young, but the Titans appear to be in no hurry to provide them. Perhaps they will rely on the draft, although this year's class is said to be thin at the position and it's generally accepted that it takes a few years for young receivers to develop. General manager Mike Reinfeldt was not immediately available for comment.

I can still remember Young's eyes lighting up last postseason when, before playing the Chargers, he talked about San Diego's offensive playmakers at the skill positions. He went down the list, from running back LaDainian Tomlinson to tight end Antonio Gates to wide receiver Chris Chambers. After each name, he said: "Oh, my goodness."

Young wasn't knocking his teammates. He went to great lengths to say he would go to battle with them any Sunday. But he's no fool, either. He knows that more proven playmakers mean more touchdowns, and more touchdowns mean more wins, and more wins mean less talk about his inconsistencies.

Oh cry me a freakin river VY. Just another coddled young athlete. How about this Vinnie - quit throwing ints? Huh? Wait for the draft. Be a team player. Shut your mouth!!!!! Ok, that got away from me a bit, but seriously...

 

[redman]

They don't need talent, because Young elevates the game of everyone around him.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Shut your mouth!!!!!

Huh?What did VY say?These were the author's and Albert's opinions, not VY's.Besides, which part of that article isn't true? The Titans are the Lions of the new millenium.Should the Titans be letting their FA talent go and not upgrading their WRs and other positions?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

They don't need talent, because Young elevates the game of everyone around him.

Well, he does, but there are limits to everything.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

They weren't going to get Randy Moss at anything less than 12 million per. Does anyone else look like a team changer, other than a healthy Javon Walker? I don't see Berrian or Bryant Johnson as that type of guy. I suppose Stallworth may have helper. Turner would have been an upgrade in the running game. Crumpler was probably the best receiving TE.

I just think it is a bit of weak FA year for the skill position players.

 

[TheFanatic]

Oh cry me a freakin river VY. Just another coddled young athlete. How about this Vinnie - quit throwing ints? Huh? Wait for the draft. Be a team player. Shut your mouth!!!!! Ok, that got away from me a bit, but seriously...

You know you can get almost anything without caffeine these days. You may want to look into that...

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Shut your mouth!!!!!

Huh?What did VY say?

These were the author's and Albert's opinions, not VY's.

That's the part that got away from me. Sheesh. I even backed away in the post.

Besides, which part of that article isn't true? The Titans are the Lions of the new millenium.

It doesn't matter. The guy is a product of his generation as far as attitude is concerned. Sure, he's a winner and a great athlete, but he's not a "pro" yet. I'm still not sold on the idea that he can be a guy that can get his team to the playoffs every year. I know he needs talent, but he needs to learn how to win and take his lumps too.

Should the Titans be letting their FA talent go and not upgrading their WRs and other positions?

Can we give them a chance to build via the draft first?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Oh cry me a freakin river VY. Just another coddled young athlete. How about this Vinnie - quit throwing ints? Huh? Wait for the draft. Be a team player. Shut your mouth!!!!! Ok, that got away from me a bit, but seriously...

You know you can get almost anything without caffeine these days. You may want to look into that...

This is quite funny.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

They weren't going to get Randy Moss at anything less than 12 million per. Does anyone else look like a team changer, other than a healthy Javon Walker? I don't see Berrian or Bryant Johnson as that type of guy. I suppose Stallworth may have helper. Turner would have been an upgrade in the running game. Crumpler was probably the best receiving TE.I just think it is a bit of weak FA year for the skill position players.

Agreed it's a weak fa year, and no, I don't see Moss going to that market anyway. However, any of Berrian, Johnson, or Stallworth would have been a MARKED upgrade over what they have now at WR, esp Johnson or Stallworth. Turner would have been an improvement as well. Crumpler, if healthy, will help a lot, but they've already lost Odom, LaBoy, and Bell.

 

[vandyt]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Oh cry me a freakin river VY. Just another coddled young athlete. How about this Vinnie - quit throwing ints? Huh? Wait for the draft. Be a team player. Shut your mouth!!!!! Ok, that got away from me a bit, but seriously...

You know you can get almost anything without caffeine these days. You may want to look into that...

Yes. But I am in the "don't get me started" camp when it comes to Vince Young. Not a believer.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed. Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

:X

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The guy is a product of his generation as far as attitude is concerned.

What does that mean? Are you saying Young has exhibited a poor attitude?

I'm still not sold on the idea that he can be a guy that can get his team to the playoffs every year.

Ummm...OK.Then who can?

I know he needs talent, but he needs to learn how to win and take his lumps too.

Which does he need to learn? To win? Or to take the "lumps" of a front office not committed to winning as much as the coaches and players are? As far as knowing how to win, I think he's shown he knows how to do that when surrounded by at least a modicum of talent.

Can we give them a chance to build via the draft first?

Every team tries to build through the draft, with varying degrees of success. The best teams do this well, then they supplement their immediate needs through free agency. Building the wr corps (or any other position) through the draft would take good chunk of the best years of a qb's career. After VY's first year, the Titans let go WRs 1 and 2, then signed Justin Gage and Eric Moulds. This year, they've let go a big chunk of their d-line and signed a question mark in Alge Crumpler. He could be huge. I hope so. But now their biggest weakness is arguably not wr, but de.It's hard to build through the draft when you're letting your drafted, experienced, talented depth go faster than you can draft or sign new guys.

 

[sho nuff]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed. Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Seems like similar talk last year with the Packers.No...I don't wish to compare talent levels...but Steve Young was basically crying that they did not take a WR in the 1st round last year and so on.With the losses of Green and Walker over 2 years people thought they would keep getting worse.Im not saying the Titans will go 13-3 (their division is much better than the NFC North).But sometimes...not spending too much money on marginal talent makes you much better off.And Reinfeldt and Thompson are good friends and share the same philosophy.

 

[Road Warriors]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed. Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Seems like similar talk last year with the Packers.No...I don't wish to compare talent levels...but Steve Young was basically crying that they did not take a WR in the 1st round last year and so on.With the losses of Green and Walker over 2 years people thought they would keep getting worse.Im not saying the Titans will go 13-3 (their division is much better than the NFC North).But sometimes...not spending too much money on marginal talent makes you much better off.And Reinfeldt and Thompson are good friends and share the same philosophy.

I agree with part of your sentiment... Not overpaying for marginal talent is a very good starting position. And I believe that most of the WR talent has been vastly overpaid this offseason ( Moss excluded ). However, I don't see a Driver level talent on the Titans. I don't see a Jennings level talent on the Titans. I don't have much faith that this O will be playing NFL caliber football come fall '08, unless they hit it BIG in the draft. Crumpler, if healthy, can actually be a big help to VY. But this is a team built to win low scoring, close games.

 

[Ripleys]

Campbell, Leinart, and Cutler > Young

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

The guy is a product of his generation as far as attitude is concerned.

What does that mean? Are you saying Young has exhibited a poor attitude?

I'm still not sold on the idea that he can be a guy that can get his team to the playoffs every year.

Ummm...OK.Then who can?

I know he needs talent, but he needs to learn how to win and take his lumps too.

Which does he need to learn? To win? Or to take the "lumps" of a front office not committed to winning as much as the coaches and players are? As far as knowing how to win, I think he's shown he knows how to do that when surrounded by at least a modicum of talent.

Can we give them a chance to build via the draft first?

Every team tries to build through the draft, with varying degrees of success. The best teams do this well, then they supplement their immediate needs through free agency. Building the wr corps (or any other position) through the draft would take good chunk of the best years of a qb's career. After VY's first year, the Titans let go WRs 1 and 2, then signed Justin Gage and Eric Moulds. This year, they've let go a big chunk of their d-line and signed a question mark in Alge Crumpler. He could be huge. I hope so. But now their biggest weakness is arguably not wr, but de.It's hard to build through the draft when you're letting your drafted, experienced, talented depth go faster than you can draft or sign new guys.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about Vince Young or the Titans. You are obviously a big fan of both. Obviously the guy needs talent around him. If the entire article was the authors ideas and not Vince's, I suppose I over-reacted. I just think the guy is overrated and bad for pro football. Great for the college game, but bad for the pros. However, I would like your opinion on this - would you rather have the smartest QB in the league or the best athlete?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

The guy is a product of his generation as far as attitude is concerned.

What does that mean? Are you saying Young has exhibited a poor attitude?

I'm still not sold on the idea that he can be a guy that can get his team to the playoffs every year.

Ummm...OK.Then who can?

I know he needs talent, but he needs to learn how to win and take his lumps too.

Which does he need to learn? To win? Or to take the "lumps" of a front office not committed to winning as much as the coaches and players are? As far as knowing how to win, I think he's shown he knows how to do that when surrounded by at least a modicum of talent.

Can we give them a chance to build via the draft first?

Every team tries to build through the draft, with varying degrees of success. The best teams do this well, then they supplement their immediate needs through free agency. Building the wr corps (or any other position) through the draft would take good chunk of the best years of a qb's career. After VY's first year, the Titans let go WRs 1 and 2, then signed Justin Gage and Eric Moulds. This year, they've let go a big chunk of their d-line and signed a question mark in Alge Crumpler. He could be huge. I hope so. But now their biggest weakness is arguably not wr, but de.It's hard to build through the draft when you're letting your drafted, experienced, talented depth go faster than you can draft or sign new guys.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about Vince Young or the Titans. You are obviously a big fan of both. Obviously the guy needs talent around him. If the entire article was the authors ideas and not Vince's, I suppose I over-reacted. I just think the guy is overrated and bad for pro football. Great for the college game, but bad for the pros. However, I would like your opinion on this - would you rather have the smartest QB in the league or the best athlete?

If we have to pick one for the Titans, I would go athlete. Bradshaw was stupid. Marino wasn't bright. Pennington is praised for his intelligance, but has no arm and struggles to beat any quality D. You can get away with just being a smart QB if you either have a dominant D or have playmakers on offense and rarely commit penalties. The Titans are build either way.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The guy is a product of his generation as far as attitude is concerned.

What does that mean? Are you saying Young has exhibited a poor attitude?

I'm still not sold on the idea that he can be a guy that can get his team to the playoffs every year.

Ummm...OK.Then who can?

I know he needs talent, but he needs to learn how to win and take his lumps too.

Which does he need to learn? To win? Or to take the "lumps" of a front office not committed to winning as much as the coaches and players are? As far as knowing how to win, I think he's shown he knows how to do that when surrounded by at least a modicum of talent.

Can we give them a chance to build via the draft first?

Every team tries to build through the draft, with varying degrees of success. The best teams do this well, then they supplement their immediate needs through free agency. Building the wr corps (or any other position) through the draft would take good chunk of the best years of a qb's career. After VY's first year, the Titans let go WRs 1 and 2, then signed Justin Gage and Eric Moulds. This year, they've let go a big chunk of their d-line and signed a question mark in Alge Crumpler. He could be huge. I hope so. But now their biggest weakness is arguably not wr, but de.It's hard to build through the draft when you're letting your drafted, experienced, talented depth go faster than you can draft or sign new guys.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about Vince Young or the Titans. You are obviously a big fan of both. Obviously the guy needs talent around him. If the entire article was the authors ideas and not Vince's, I suppose I over-reacted. I just think the guy is overrated and bad for pro football. Great for the college game, but bad for the pros. However, I would like your opinion on this - would you rather have the smartest QB in the league or the best athlete?

Obviously I'd rather have the smartest guy who's the best athlete. Duh.

bad for pro football

Seriously?Wow.

What's your point, and why do you think VY's bad for the league (and what does any of that have to do with the article)?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

If we have to pick one for the Titans, I would go athlete.

Well, since they don't have any other athletes in the offense who are gonna win anything for you, so would I. The inference Mookie is going for here however, imho, is that it's all or nothing, one way or the other, and that Young is all brawn and speed and no brains. I reject that notion out of hand.

 

[Unlucky]

I'd just like to reiterate that all of the FA WRs so far have been grossly overpaid with the exception of Moss. Berrian, Stallworth, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, etc. Maybe Isaac Bruce was a bargain? Why pay top dollar for WRs that aren't great and won't ever be great?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Campbell, Leinart, and Cutler > Young

Assuming I agree with your premise (I don't), what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[Buckna]

I liked the Crumpler signing (if he's somewhat healthy.)

The Titans have amassed a lot of cap space and yet have not spent much of anything in FA or trades the last two years. One has to wonder what exactly they are planning to do with it all.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I'd just like to reiterate that all of the FA WRs so far have been grossly overpaid with the exception of Moss. Berrian, Stallworth, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, etc. Maybe Isaac Bruce was a bargain? Why pay top dollar for WRs that aren't great and won't ever be great?

Some of you have made some good arguments in this vein. Can the same be applied to the Titans who got away?If so, how do you replace them? Those were big hits. Also, anyone know of any underrated or hidden gems out there at need positions for the Titans, you know, going under the radar?Trying to keep this from turning into yet another of the million VY bashing/defending threads on this board. That's not what the article's about, & it's not why I posted.

 

[twitch]

Jabar Gaffney signed a 1-year, $2million contract. Im sure he would have loved to consider maybe 2years at 6 or 3 years at 10, or something in that ballpark. Any team out there could have made a fairly modest offer for him. Didnt happen. And he's not even guaranteed a #3WR role in NE. This is a guy, who in the 2006 playoffs had 21 catches for 244yds and 2TDs. So, the man can catch the football. WRs that are still fairly young with proven, quality playoff experience are a rare commodity. Im a little surprised that TN didnt make him atleast a small offer.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I'd just like to reiterate that all of the FA WRs so far have been grossly overpaid with the exception of Moss. Berrian, Stallworth, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, etc. Maybe Isaac Bruce was a bargain? Why pay top dollar for WRs that aren't great and won't ever be great?

Some of you have made some good arguments in this vein. Can the same be applied to the Titans who got away?If so, how do you replace them? Those were big hits. Also, anyone know of any underrated or hidden gems out there at need positions for the Titans, you know, going under the radar?Trying to keep this from turning into yet another of the million VY bashing/defending threads on this board. That's not what the article's about, & it's not why I posted.

And I'll go ahead and leave it alone as I have nothing good to say about VY. Should have never dropped in in the first place. My apologies.

 

[vandyt]

McCariens is visiting the Titans tomorrow.

 

[TLEF316]

McCariens is visiting the Titans tomorrow.

 

[vandyt]

McCariens is visiting the Titans tomorrow.

He's no Tyrone Calico, thats for sure.Anyone remember the Ty Calico lovefest on this board during his rookie year? Yikes.

 

[redman]

McCariens is visiting the Titans tomorrow.

He's no Tyrone Calico, thats for sure.Anyone remember the Ty Calico lovefest on this board during his rookie year? Yikes.

Every couple of years there's a big WR who people think is going to dominate but who can't stay healthy. Calico was one. Germane Crowell was another that I recall.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Stallworth at 4.5 mil per would have been a nice addition to that Wr core. I'm surprised they didn't go after him.

 

[Bri]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed. Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

I agree with most of this.They just watched some good young DEs walk because Haynesworth and Vandenbosch are going to eat up so much coin probably...so their hands were tied in a sense. I still didn't like that though.They could have been in the Bell/Faneca sweepstakes if Benji is retiring. Mawae is not far behind. Time will tell but I think that might be something there. They have a knack for finding some real good longterm linemen so IMO they've earned the benefit of the doubt there.I can't fault any fan that's crying for a WR. There comes a point where you don't care if they overpay just get a good one. Many Titans fans have soured on Brandon but it doesn't seem like the Titans have. That might be a concern.I have my doubts about Hope's full recovery despite what the doc's say. Those type injuries are real tricky. They could have grabbed a S in free agency.On and on, a toe in the water would have been nice.There's no doubt these needs can be filled in the draft, one by one, but not all. They're lucky to get a solid player past round 4. Ya "can't" make it as if they can fill every need they have with the draft, just some.

 

[redman]

What about trading for Roy Williams? Would Roy be happy about being reunited with Young?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

What about trading for Roy Williams? Would Roy be happy about being reunited with Young?

Roy and VY didn't exactly hit it off in Young's first year at Texas. Roy's not exactly the consummate team player, and a bit of a prima donna, though, as many Detroit fans will tell you.However, he's a huge talent, and things could have changed. Who knows.

 

[tombonneau]

Why don't they try to trade for Fitzgerald? Unless all that trade talk is just poppycock. Won't know until you ask though.

I have no idea why they didn't go for Stallworth. He is a perfect weapon for VY. Just dump it off to Stallworth on a quick hitch and let him get the YAC. And I don't think Stallworth's contract is all that absurd, once you dismiss the unrealistic length of it.

 

[BoltBacker]

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

Is this supposed to be a joke? I guess they could split time with White if they gave him the ball on plays they wanted to get 2yards less per carry.

 

[BoltBacker]

Maybe Isaac Bruce was a bargain?

I thought Bruce would have been a good fit in an offense that doesn't pass very much. I also thought that for a 6th rounder they might have traded for Williamson instead of JAX. Maybe they'll end up getting Matt Jones as a FA.I don't think they needed to spend a ton of dough at WR. They just don't pass often enough to make a high $ WR a very good value.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed. Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

 

[vandyt]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

Specifically? Its easy to say they need help at WR...who should they have signed that was A) a realistic option, and B) wasn't horribly overpaid by another team?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

Specifically? Its easy to say they need help at WR...who should they have signed that was A) a realistic option, and B) wasn't horribly overpaid by another team?

stallworth

 

[Andy Herron]

Oh cry me a freakin river VY. Just another coddled young athlete. How about this Vinnie - quit throwing ints? Huh? Wait for the draft. Be a team player. Shut your mouth!!!!! Ok, that got away from me a bit, but seriously...

You know you can get almost anything without caffeine these days. You may want to look into that...

This is quite funny.

I laughed too.

 

[vandyt]

Stallworth at 4.5 mil per would have been a nice addition to that Wr core. I'm surprised they didn't go after him.

I would argue Stallworth was more overpaid than any other WR not named Javon Walker so far this FA period. $10mil guaranteed and $17m over 4 yrs is alot for a WR without a single 1000 yd season to his credit, who has had significant trouble staying healthy, and who is coming off a 600(?) yd season despite playing for the best passing attack in the NFL(and had trouble holding his starting job against Jabar Gaffney).

 

[vandyt]

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

Is this supposed to be a joke? I guess they could split time with White if they gave him the ball on plays they wanted to get 2yards less per carry.

Im not sure you read this thread correctly.

 

[BoltBacker]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

Specifically? Its easy to say they need help at WR...who should they have signed that was A) a realistic option, and B) wasn't horribly overpaid by another team?

If they had signed Turner and Bruce and gave up the 6th rounder for Troy Williamson I think TEN would have a much better offense going into next season.

 

[vandyt]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

There's no doubt these needs can be filled in the draft, one by one, but not all. They're lucky to get a solid player past round 4. Ya "can't" make it as if they can fill every need they have with the draft, just some.

If it were mid-April, I'd have some compassion for the people needlessly #####ing about the Titans' inactivity in the FA market, but its early March...this is the 6th day of the FA period.As a Titans fan they havent missed out on one player yet that I'd have wanted at the price they signed for. Josh Thomas, Jake Scott, D.J. Hackett, all solid vets with some to alot of starting experience who they can realistically sign for "good" prices.

Desperately overpaying players as the Jets, Browns, Bengals and Vikings have done is a good way to blow up your cap in the future; the Titans are smart enough to avoid that situation again.

 

[vandyt]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

Specifically? Its easy to say they need help at WR...who should they have signed that was A) a realistic option, and B) wasn't horribly overpaid by another team?

If they had signed Turner and Bruce and gave up the 6th rounder for Troy Williamson I think TEN would have a much better offense going into next season.

I dont understand....why would they want to sign Turner for $16 mil upfront with White already in the fold? And what is it you think Troy Williamson has done in his career to be worth a 6th rounder, or represent even a modest upgrade over Brandon Jones or Chris Davis?

 

[BoltBacker]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

Specifically? Its easy to say they need help at WR...who should they have signed that was A) a realistic option, and B) wasn't horribly overpaid by another team?

If they had signed Turner and Bruce and gave up the 6th rounder for Troy Williamson I think TEN would have a much better offense going into next season.

I dont understand....why would they want to sign Turner for $16 mil upfront with White already in the fold?

Because when Turner is handed the ball he'll get you more yards that White.

 

[BoltBacker]

And what is it you think Troy Williamson has done in his career to be worth a 6th rounder, or represent even a modest upgrade over Brandon Jones or Chris Davis?

Off the top of your head can you name any of the three 6th rounders drafted by TEN last season?

 

[vandyt]

Curious as to what people think the Titans should be doing, instead of just "something".

At WR, Berrian and Stallworth were HORRIBLY overpaid, Moss wasn't coming. Bryant Johnson is barely above replacement level. Hackett is still out there, and obviously hes not drawing alot of interest.

At DE, Justin Smith was HORRIBLY overpaid; the Bengals gave Odom, with one 8 sack season, $12mil guaranteed.

Michael Turner? There are people out there who think the Titans should have paid Turner $16+ mil guaranteed to split time with Lendale White?

The Titans will fill their holes through the draft and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of Free Agency. The free agency period isnt even ONE WEEK OLD. Settle down.

Looking to aquire some talent at WR for a struggling QB. It hurt my eyes to watch that playoff game vs. San Diego last year. It looked to me like getting a first down for them was a monumental task.

Specifically? Its easy to say they need help at WR...who should they have signed that was A) a realistic option, and B) wasn't horribly overpaid by another team?

If they had signed Turner and Bruce and gave up the 6th rounder for Troy Williamson I think TEN would have a much better offense going into next season.

I dont understand....why would they want to sign Turner for $16 mil upfront with White already in the fold?

Because when Turner is handed the ball he'll get you more yards that White.

That may well be, but you're suggesting that would be a smart managerial move to replace White, a proven 1200 yd rusher, with 2 years left on his rookie 2nd round contract, with Turner and pay Turner $16 mil guaranteed?

Which is greater, Lendale White + $16 mil worth of other players, or Michael Turner?