Jim Zorn (1 Viewer)

[Chemical X]

no sense of urgency....check

no clock management skills....check

lack of understanding that more points wins....check

the skins and zorn looked lost. he seemed content to run out the clock. did i miss something here?

skins homers, thoughts?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Good Art Shell impersonation tonight.

 

[bucsbaby]

I kept shaking my head at Zorn all night and the last 6 minutes were enough to make me wonder what this guy is doing as a playcaller (not to mention head coach) in the nfl. I kept saying to my TV: "Dude, you have to at least THROW the ball, preferably DOWN FIELD, to give your team a CHANCE to WIN"

 

[T Bell]

He's not called plays before, so we'll see how that develops. I didn't like how rarely they looked downfield, though I did spot some minor adjustments they made in the passing game. Only at the very end of the game, however, did Zorn start calling designed rollouts, which Campbell is good at when going to his right. Neither he nor Campbell are fully comfortable working with each other in Zorn's system. This should improve over time, but it's something to watch.

I thought they should have managed the clock better at the end of the game and in particular they should have gone to the hurry-up offense when they got the ball ~6 mins left. They obviously need to work on that.

This overall looked like an offense still in the preseason, though I saw signs of improvement here and there as the game went on. Still, there's a lot of work to do.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Gonna be a long season for the Skins.

 

[renesauz]

I loved throwing to the flat on 3rd and long. Would have blamed Campbell for it...until I noticed the receiver was Santana Moss!

Late in the game desperate for yards and a score, and you call a play that has your fastest and most dynamic player act as the safety outlet five yards downfield???!!!

As an Eagles fan, I was loving it!

 

[davearm]

There were definitely a few shots of Zorn on the sideline tonight where he had that look like he needed his momma.

 

[Chemical X]

i am not a skin fan, but they are running ball and lollygagging down 9 with 6 minutes left? no shotgun? i was bedazzled.

this looked like a herm edwards NYJ game and i've seen that before.

why not kick the fieldgoal, get down 6 and try an onsides kick? at least you have a chance to win the game. though i guess only if portis breaks a 50 yard run, cause they weren't gonna throw i suppose.

 

[Tubalcane]

Saying that Jim Zorn looked lost is an understatement; a severe understatement. It didn't help that Campbell was doing a Joey Harrington impersonation.

I don't Zorn will last past this season.

Campbell...the jury is still out on him. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt...he has to learn the system before he can be good in the system.

 

[menobrown]

Good Art Shell impersonation tonight.

I was watching the game thinking this was the worst prepared offense I've seen since Art Shell.

 

[W1cked]

I loved throwing to the flat on 3rd and long. Would have blamed Campbell for it...until I noticed the receiver was Santana Moss!

Ripped from the pages of Steve Marriucci's play book.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Wow. The running game looked HORRIBLE. It was amazing that Portis got the yards that he did. The running plays seemed incredibly vanilla. Nothing even off tackle never mind to the outside. Portis did some nice tough inside running. And the Passing game was worse. Washington could be in trouble.

 

[Tecmo]

the skins offense looked terribly out of sync. particularly the passing game. it looked like jason campbell was a rookie, even in the 2nd half when the pass rush quieted down. i think they were praciticing the basics of the WCO so much in preseason, they never even got to the hurry up offense. The Skins don't look prepared at all and are indeed in trouble.

 

[trader jake]

I guess the preseason means something...at least for the Redskins offense.

It was like watching the Eagles "2 minute" offense against the Patriots to end the Super Bowl a few seasons ago. Only it lasted the entire game for Zorn and company. Snyder's head may explode this year.

 

[Meat]

Couldn't agree more. I couldn't believe (despite the fact they scored) that with roughly 20 seconds left in the 1st half, down 13 - and driving the 'Skins had ALL 3 TIMEOUTS and just weren't using them. And the best part was, he was calling run plays UP THE GUT. OOf. Hopefully he wakes up soon - because playing like this against the Cowboys/Eagles will be a disaster.

As an Eagles fan - Awesome.

As a Portis owner

 

[Glatty]

I kept shaking my head at Zorn all night and the last 6 minutes were enough to make me wonder what this guy is doing as a playcaller (not to mention head coach) in the nfl. I kept saying to my TV: "Dude, you have to at least THROW the ball, preferably DOWN FIELD, to give your team a CHANCE to WIN"

absolutely. I kept thinking to myself "they might as well just try to run out the clock - this is ridiculous" ... and that's as a Giants fan!

 

[Jack Burton]

I was so sure that the skins would waltz right through the defending super bowl champs and the rest of a weak NFC east on their way to division title. I cant believe that they havent mastered the west coast offense yet. Whats taking them so long? Riddiculous!

 

[Parkers99]

Well, I'm fresh out of the "dissapointed Portis" thread and glad to see this one.

FIRE ZORN NOW.

As football fans, we often think we can out coach pro coaches... tonight I'd bet my damn house on it. It was a joke. I've never seen a less prepared offense.

How could any professional football coach not call time outs inside the opponents 20 w/ 20 seconds on the clock? God almighty; it's difficult to even contemplate Zorn's incompetance. I'd best describe it as a combination of Martz's game management skills w/ Art Shell's playcalling ability.

 

[millertyme1]

Zorn lasts longer than Campbell IMO.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Zorn lasts longer than Campbell IMO.

you may be right, and its a shame. I think Campbell's got a lot talent, but after hearing that stat about being in 7 different O's in the last 8 years, he's got no chance

 

[VonRomig]

Funny thing is, it looked like Portis was coaching Zorn...

(I wonder if Zorn has learned the playbook yet?)

Von

 

[TwinTurbo]

Why do owners continue to hire WCO head coachs for teams that don't have WCO personnel? It seems like this happens every year. Sometimes I think the WCO is just a big scam to guarantee mediocre coaches have job security for a few years while their inexperienced, equally mediocre QB "learns" the system.

Bill Walsh was a genius but the WCO is useless without a good QB. You need a least a Matt Hasselback caliber QB to run this system.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Washington over New York, Fantasty Stud: Clinton Portis WAS RB

The Redskins are facing the Super Bowl Champs in the first game of the season, look for them to bring their A-game with the X on the Giants backs from last season. With only half of the elite Giants defense returning, and Zorn dressed to impress in his head coaching debut, I expect Portis to run over the Giants

Bloggers lol

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Funny thing is, it looked like Portis was coaching Zorn...(I wonder if Zorn has learned the playbook yet?)Von

 

[Osaurus]

Funny thing is, it looked like Portis was coaching Zorn...(I wonder if Zorn has learned the playbook yet?)Von

That shot of the two of them was classic.....Portis was prolly telling him to stop calling run plays up the middle and throw the #### ball down field more.

 

[theplayer11]

Just plain horrible..what do these guys practice in pre-season? It was embarrassing.

 

[Truman]

Zorn lasts longer than Campbell IMO.

you may be right, and its a shame. I think Campbell's got a lot talent, but after hearing that stat about being in 7 different O's in the last 8 years, he's got no chance

I think Campbell's a joke. He seems to have no comprehension of a 'pocket' and looks like he enjoyed playing in traffic as a child.His other hobbies include staring down receivers and fingerpainting with superglue.

 

[Truman]

Funny thing is, it looked like Portis was coaching Zorn...(I wonder if Zorn has learned the playbook yet?)Von

That shot of the two of them was classic.....Portis was prolly telling him to stop calling run plays up the middle and throw the #### ball down field more.

Doubtful. Straight after that shot Portis got 3 straight carries for big gains - obviously it had something to do with blocking schemes.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I will have to dig up the thread but I know i said at the time how awful it was as an NFL hire. They interviewed a lot of people and then went with Zorn...never made a lot of sense. But its Snyder and he will just can him at the end of the season and start over.

It was against the reigning Super Bowl champs in their house...they lost by 9 but if you watched the game, it was never that close.

1st game, let's give him a few weeks before we throw dirt on his grave but he did look lost last night, never a good sign.

 

[Ripleys]

Lat night was ugly, but the Skins still have the personnel to compete this year. But I agree with the majority, Zorn better get some tips of play calling and clock management, and FAST.

 

[FavreCo]

Lat night was ugly, but the Skins still have the personnel to compete this year. But I agree with the majority, Zorn better get some tips of play calling and clock management, and FAST.

Tip #1. Get rid of Campbell. Get Chris Simms.

 

[Osaurus]

Lat night was ugly, but the Skins still have the personnel to compete this year. But I agree with the majority, Zorn better get some tips of play calling and clock management, and FAST.

Tip #1. Get rid of Campbell. Get Chris Simms.

This might be a good fit for him.....and at the very least it would give Campbell something to think about.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

It looked to me either he thought he was up 9 instead of down 9 or he was trying to pad Portis stats throwing the game away in meantime. West Coast offense is suppose to throw to backs. One time they thru to a back entire game!

Wasn;t Campbells fault. Was play calling and receivers running short routes. ect.ect.

Cooley not blocking! Line not blocking. Relentless pass rush as we are used to from Giants.

Zorn was obviously lost. Not sure what his frame of mind was but he was acting like he didn%t want to win and it was still pre season or something.

As for compareing to Gibbs didn%t Gibbs throw away a couple games too last year. haha

I don%t think he threw game away. He just didn%t try to win it. They need to play 2 minute offense entire game. That is only time they moved the darn ball.

 

[Aaronstory]

Gonna be a long season for the Skins.

 

[Aaronstory]

Lat night was ugly, but the Skins still have the personnel to compete this year. But I agree with the majority, Zorn better get some tips of play calling and clock management, and FAST.

It's not just the playcalls and the clock management (though both were atrocious) - it was the fact that the Skins looked like a poorly coached team across the board. Nothing was crisp, nothing was sharp, everything was slow and nonchalant, from the huddle to the line of scrimmage. At one point, Campbell was waiting for Zorn to tell him something on the sideline and Zorn simply waved him back onto the field, not even looking up from his playchart. Zorn simply looked way, way in over his head.Things could get late real early in Washington this year...

 

[drew726]

Thought this was a niner's thread for a second.

 

[Tecmo]

Campbell didn't look prepared at all. First pass of the game he should of gotten rid of that ball and put it in a spot where only his WR can get it, incomplete oh well. Instead Campbell was hesitate and ended up taking a sack that killed the drive. All game Campbell would only pull the trigger if the underneath guy was open enough. No anticipation, no quickness in decision making, no looking off a defender. Campbell is in for a very bad season if he doesn't correct this stuff. Tonight we saw a QB that had serious problems beating a blitz, starred down his receivers, and posed no downfield threat whatsoever. And when he finally does pull the trigger it's to James Trash??? horrible, pick your shots better. And Jim Zorn basically blamed his QB at his halftime speech. his words made it sound like it was all Campbell's fault. And as badly as Campbell was, you can't just blame him. It's the coach's responsibility to get these guys prepared so the blame should go to Zorn. The offense definitely needs some more practice and should of played more in the preseason.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Another brilliant move by "Danny Boy".

He had Jim Fassell all lined up to take over the Skins, but in his penchant for allways looking for the grass to be a bit greener elsewhere he continued to "play the field" and was "blown away" after an ~ 8 hour interview with Jim Zorn.

Nice call Dan.

 

[Bankerguy]

If I was a Skins a fan, I would be worried Zorn is going to lose his veterans "buy in" into his system if he doesn't step up better as a Coach. I would hope in his post game talk to the players he takes much of the responsibilty of this loss. He'll gain their respect and keep them moving forward in the process.

There is some talent on that team. but it's going to be a difficult short term adjustment imo.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Mike Holmgren professes that it takes three years to make a quarterback in the West Coast offense, and it takes five years for a West Coast quarterback to become a very good one.

Hasselbeck crashed and burned under Holmgren in year one and the beginning of year two.

"I've always said it takes three years, but three to where they know where to go," Holmgren said. "Then, in years four and five, you polish your trade to really become good, not just to know what to do, but do it well. It takes until then so they know where to go, [and] to make the throw. It takes until then where you know you're getting this type of pressure here, so sidestep and make the throw. That's what you get the more you play the position."

Anyone expecting the Redskins passing game to look good in year one was delusional.

 

[sholditch]

Lat night was ugly, but the Skins still have the personnel to compete this year. But I agree with the majority, Zorn better get some tips of play calling and clock management, and FAST.

Tip #1. Get rid of Campbell. Get Chris Simms.

All they have to do is go with Collins who has outplayed Campbell every second and got them to the playoffs last year. I could see this happening as early as week 5 if things don't drastically improve.I think Portis will be ok. Hell, it really can't get much worse for them offensively, and he still saw 23 carries and got 84 yards. But if I owned any other Redskin I would be very nervous right now.

 

[mggoilers]

Giants D was pretty good, and the Skins have nothing but Portis and Cooley.

You have 2 fidgets on the outside, Thrash, and a rookie who looks lost.

I think Campbell, and the coaches confidence in his QB is the reason for the playcalling.

Nothing the skins line up scares anyone...the Skins had issues last year on offense.

Same players, why should it be any different?

 

[bshell27]

Zorn looked in disbelief that he had a team perform the way they did. THey could not get one thing right. THe worst was Randle El jumping offsides??? I know your old and need to get an extra step but come on, you have to shake your head as coach and wonder what these guys are thinking. QB sucked, O line did fairly better, receivers were terrible, just all around bad night. What makes it worse is that the Giants did not dominate. My question about the Giants is why did they not score 30+ points???? And look at the passes dropped, Santana Moss dropped a few catches that a starter should make in this league. Thrash dropped an easy catch inside the 5 yard line. It was just terrible to watch the opportunities wasted and that is how I perceived Zorn's train of thought. MAKE THE PLAYS! I would not throw downfield either after watching WR's drop passes.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Lat night was ugly, but the Skins still have the personnel to compete this year. But I agree with the majority, Zorn better get some tips of play calling and clock management, and FAST.

Tip #1. Get rid of Campbell. Get Chris Simms.

All they have to do is go with Collins who has outplayed Campbell every second and got them to the playoffs last year. I could see this happening as early as week 5 if things don't drastically improve.I think Portis will be ok. Hell, it really can't get much worse for them offensively, and he still saw 23 carries and got 84 yards. But if I owned any other Redskin I would be very nervous right now.

Collins' was struggling with the WCO more than Campbell was in camp. It would be a disaster if they put Collins out there. The only thing he has going for him is his head for the game, and that goes out the window because he's not comfortable with the offense. Say what you will about Campbell, but at least he had WCO experience in college.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Zorn looked in disbelief that he had a team perform the way they did. THey could not get one thing right. THe worst was Randle El jumping offsides??? I know your old and need to get an extra step but come on, you have to shake your head as coach and wonder what these guys are thinking. QB sucked, O line did fairly better, receivers were terrible, just all around bad night. What makes it worse is that the Giants did not dominate. My question about the Giants is why did they not score 30+ points???? And look at the passes dropped, Santana Moss dropped a few catches that a starter should make in this league. Thrash dropped an easy catch inside the 5 yard line. It was just terrible to watch the opportunities wasted and that is how I perceived Zorn's train of thought. MAKE THE PLAYS! I would not throw downfield either after watching WR's drop passes.

Don't forget about the drops by the Skins DBs. They must have dropped at least 3 or 4 INTs. Not tough catches either, just right through their hands.

 

[GregR_2]

Zorn lasts longer than Campbell IMO.

you may be right, and its a shame. I think Campbell's got a lot talent, but after hearing that stat about being in 7 different O's in the last 8 years, he's got no chance

I think Campbell's a joke. He seems to have no comprehension of a 'pocket' and looks like he enjoyed playing in traffic as a child.His other hobbies include staring down receivers and fingerpainting with superglue.

I noticed that too. There were times that the Skins line gave him a great pocket and Campbell was the one who moved into the pass rush to get sacked or force a hurried throw.

 

[bshell27]

Zorn looked in disbelief that he had a team perform the way they did. THey could not get one thing right. THe worst was Randle El jumping offsides??? I know your old and need to get an extra step but come on, you have to shake your head as coach and wonder what these guys are thinking. QB sucked, O line did fairly better, receivers were terrible, just all around bad night. What makes it worse is that the Giants did not dominate. My question about the Giants is why did they not score 30+ points???? And look at the passes dropped, Santana Moss dropped a few catches that a starter should make in this league. Thrash dropped an easy catch inside the 5 yard line. It was just terrible to watch the opportunities wasted and that is how I perceived Zorn's train of thought. MAKE THE PLAYS! I would not throw downfield either after watching WR's drop passes.

Don't forget about the drops by the Skins DBs. They must have dropped at least 3 or 4 INTs. Not tough catches either, just right through their hands.

I did forget about Smoot's INT in the endzone. It looked like he had sprayed his hands in Pam and then dipped them in a bucket of butter after changing his car's oil. How do you drop that? (Keep in mind that this is Zorn talking) Please God give them the talent they are always thanking you for. As for the Giants. I was disappointed and they will be too this season. After the first quarter Eli looked terrible and they did not make the game the blowout it should have been.

 

[Scrooloose]

As a skins fan, it was hard to watch yet not surprising. Seems like the skins are the only team that constantly try that stupid WR screen that only works 2% of the time. And they always seem to throw passes that are 2 yards short of a first down The tell-tale sign that Zorn is over his head was at the end when they needed two scores and they were lolly-gagging around with 4 minutes left.

It also doesnt help that Campbell is learning yet another system and the D was letting Jacobs run roughshod.

 

[phrozen]

Redskins are no longer horny for Zorny

I hope Synder has a suitcase with 10 million dollars to present to either cowher or holmgren next season.

As I skins homer, this game was horrible. Defense - horrible, Offense - beyond horrible. Where were Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly? Jason Taylor looked terrible.

Zorn had the worst play calling ever. Awful. He was lost from the first play.

It is going to be a long season.

 

[kwille]

You guys need to take it easier on Campbell ... after all, he's leading the league in TD passes.