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Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford (1 Viewer)

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Who is going to make the better pro quarterback in your opinion?

I tend to think Bradford, but it's tough to compare them since Sam was out all this year and Clausen was in an offense that is designed to make quarterbacks look good.

 
houstonlibrarian said:
Who is going to make the better pro quarterback in your opinion?

I tend to think Bradford, but it's tough to compare them since Sam was out all this year and Clausen was in an offense that is designed to make quarterbacks look good.
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Doesn't this apply to Bradford as well? (Jason White, Josh Heupel)Not enamored with either really, bu I give the edge to Clausen just because his arm isn't about to fall off.

 
I would like to get you guys feedback on Clausen's lack of quality wins at Notre Dame. It seems to me this is just glossed over and no one seems to talk about it. I know wins are not everything but in his entire 3 years I can't find one. Maybe I'm focusing too much on it, just would like to hear others opinions.

 
Johnny Ice said:
I would like to get you guys feedback on Clausen's lack of quality wins at Notre Dame. It seems to me this is just glossed over and no one seems to talk about it. I know wins are not everything but in his entire 3 years I can't find one. Maybe I'm focusing too much on it, just would like to hear others opinions.
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Notre Dame wasn't good enough to beat good teams while Clausen was there. They were 64th in scoring defense and 87th in yardage defense this past season. Clausen generally played well regardless of the opponent, and I don't think it's fair to blame him for his team being inept at other positions.That said, Clausen does come across like a spoiled brat at times, and I'm not sure he has the leadership qualities you want from an NFL QB.
 
Spartans Rule said:
Johnny Ice said:
I would like to get you guys feedback on Clausen's lack of quality wins at Notre Dame. It seems to me this is just glossed over and no one seems to talk about it. I know wins are not everything but in his entire 3 years I can't find one. Maybe I'm focusing too much on it, just would like to hear others opinions.
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Notre Dame wasn't good enough to beat good teams while Clausen was there. They were 64th in scoring defense and 87th in yardage defense this past season. Clausen generally played well regardless of the opponent, and I don't think it's fair to blame him for his team being inept at other positions.That said, Clausen does come across like a spoiled brat at times, and I'm not sure he has the leadership qualities you want from an NFL QB.
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I think he needs to grow up quickly. He might, and if he does he could be a very good NFL QB. Just not sure that I'd bet on it.
 
Mayock last night compared him to Sanchez in overall physical attributes. He said that Clausen seems to lack the intangibles that most great QB's have. Mentioned all the stuff that has happened that are not good things to be talked about that are being talked about. Also mentioned very good arm but not great arm on Clausen

Bradford seems to have the intangibles and the better size. More accurate. Enough to have him #1 barring the physical issues that might arise. The injury is his only issue.

 
Just curious:

Aside from his signing day, what else has Clausen done to earn the cocky/spoiled brat talk?

Asking because I don't know.

 
Bradford. I say this because QB is a decision making/judgment position. Not a position for dummies. Bradford's Wonderlick test score was well above Clausen's. That tells me he is smarter and in a better position to make good decisions.

Look at the wonderlick scores of any of the 1st round QBs drafted in the past 15 years. P. Manning big Wonderlick, Ryan Leaf not so much. Jeff George had a low one. Tom Brady had a high Wonderlick. Not saying the wonderlick is the end all, be all but if you are truly torn, when it comes to QBs I'll take the smarter guy 10 times out of 10.

 
Harry Beanbag said:
Bradford. I say this because QB is a decision making/judgment position. Not a position for dummies. Bradford's Wonderlick test score was well above Clausen's. That tells me he is smarter and in a better position to make good decisions.Look at the wonderlick scores of any of the 1st round QBs drafted in the past 15 years. P. Manning big Wonderlick, Ryan Leaf not so much. Jeff George had a low one. Tom Brady had a high Wonderlick. Not saying the wonderlick is the end all, be all but if you are truly torn, when it comes to QBs I'll take the smarter guy 10 times out of 10.
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Didn't Stafford have one of the highest wonderlic scores by a QB ever? Edit: he posted a 38 on his wonderlic
 
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Assuming Bradford's shoulder is OK (a big assumption IMHO), he's the safer bet certainly. But I personally think Clausen is going to be a great pro, and wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have the better career than guys like Flacco, Ryan or Stafford.

 
For some crazy reason that I can't describe, Bradford makes me think of Harrington. Maybe their personalities? Anyone else get this from him?

 
Jason Wood said:
Assuming Bradford's shoulder is OK (a big assumption IMHO), he's the safer bet certainly. But I personally think Clausen is going to be a great pro, and wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have the better career than guys like Flacco, Ryan or Stafford.
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What about Brady Quinn vs Clausen?I'd pick Ryan over other 2.I think the world of Bradford and Doc Andrews definitely eases the concern over his shoulder. Going to him was a wise move by Bradford
 
IMO, Clausen's ceiling is about an average starting QB.

Bradford's ceiling is top 5.

I'll take Bradford easily.

 
Jason Wood said:
Assuming Bradford's shoulder is OK (a big assumption IMHO), he's the safer bet certainly. But I personally think Clausen is going to be a great pro, and wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have the better career than guys like Flacco, Ryan or Stafford.
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I like Clausen coming out of ND more than I did when Quinn was coming out. I just didn't see what everyone else was seeing in Quinn to make him a 1st round pick but I do see it in Clausen. He has the potential to be a big time passer, but he will struggle at first and have to step forward in his progression just like any college QB will have to.I see that you left Sanchez off your short list of young QB's. I think Stafford will be a better passer than Flacco and Ryan and probably Clausen too but in terms of playoffs and leading your teams to playoff wins and all that, Stafford will have to overcome a lot of history to do that.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Jason Wood said:
Assuming Bradford's shoulder is OK (a big assumption IMHO), he's the safer bet certainly. But I personally think Clausen is going to be a great pro, and wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have the better career than guys like Flacco, Ryan or Stafford.
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I like Clausen coming out of ND more than I did when Quinn was coming out. I just didn't see what everyone else was seeing in Quinn to make him a 1st round pick but I do see it in Clausen. He has the potential to be a big time passer, but he will struggle at first and have to step forward in his progression just like any college QB will have to.I see that you left Sanchez off your short list of young QB's. I think Stafford will be a better passer than Flacco and Ryan and probably Clausen too but in terms of playoffs and leading your teams to playoff wins and all that, Stafford will have to overcome a lot of history to do that.
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Good catch. I did leave off Sanchez, mainly because I'm not sure what to make of him yet. I find it ironic that people point to Quinn as a reason to be concerned about Clausen but somehow ignore the long history of Bob Stoops passers that have had virtually no NFL careers to speak of. I think every QB needs to be judged on their own merits and Clausen is light years more gifted, and tested, than Quinn was IMHO.
 
Jason Wood said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Jason Wood said:
Assuming Bradford's shoulder is OK (a big assumption IMHO), he's the safer bet certainly. But I personally think Clausen is going to be a great pro, and wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have the better career than guys like Flacco, Ryan or Stafford.
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I like Clausen coming out of ND more than I did when Quinn was coming out. I just didn't see what everyone else was seeing in Quinn to make him a 1st round pick but I do see it in Clausen. He has the potential to be a big time passer, but he will struggle at first and have to step forward in his progression just like any college QB will have to.I see that you left Sanchez off your short list of young QB's. I think Stafford will be a better passer than Flacco and Ryan and probably Clausen too but in terms of playoffs and leading your teams to playoff wins and all that, Stafford will have to overcome a lot of history to do that.
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Good catch. I did leave off Sanchez, mainly because I'm not sure what to make of him yet. I find it ironic that people point to Quinn as a reason to be concerned about Clausen but somehow ignore the long history of Bob Stoops passers that have had virtually no NFL careers to speak of. I think every QB needs to be judged on their own merits and Clausen is light years more gifted, and tested, than Quinn was IMHO.
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I can only speak for myself but I don't think Quinn is a reason to be concerned about Clausen but I do compare the two because Quinn was the last QB to come out of Notre Dame. He went in the 1st round and it looks like that pick might go down as a bust so I think it's natural to wonder or worry that it may happen again just a couple years later. I think some worry that the NFL teams are being attracted to the same things they saw out of Brady Quinn when he was at Notre Dame. That why I mentioned (as did you) that Clausen looks to be a completely different type of passer. He does look like he can make some of those NFL throws.On Mark Sanchez, I'm not sure what to think either except how can you not be overall impressed with him getting to the AFC Championship game. Living in Detroit, we obviously could have taken Sanchez over Stafford so many of us here watched Sanchez vs. Stafford and trying to evaluate who may have been the better choice.If you base it on where you lead your team, Sanchez may have already won because the Lions may never get to the NFC Championship game. However, I try and visualize them switching teams and I couldn't have seen Sanchez do any better on Detroit than Stafford did. Overall I'm impressed with Stafford and if asked this morning would I take Sanchez over Stafford I'd still say no, foolish or not. As many mistakes as I saw out of Stafford, I felt like I saw something special. If I were living in New York and a Jets fan, I doubt I'd trade Sanchez away for Stafford either since he just led them to the AFC Championship in his rookie season.
 
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