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jeff_eaglz
Footballguy
Forget all of this opportunity cost argument.
You have to their decision against what the Super Bowl meant to both Bradshaw and Montana.
I'd argue that the reason that Montana can ask for $100K per appearance is directly due to his performances in the Super Bowl. So - given that the game which made him such a star requests their appearance, shouldn't that also weigh heavily on their decisions?
You have to their decision against what the Super Bowl meant to both Bradshaw and Montana.
I'd argue that the reason that Montana can ask for $100K per appearance is directly due to his performances in the Super Bowl. So - given that the game which made him such a star requests their appearance, shouldn't that also weigh heavily on their decisions?
Maybe there is more to it than we know.
I can't buy into the fact that he didn't show because he wanted 100K. Walking out on that field with past MVP's is worth more than 100K.
There has to be something between him and the NFL, has to. It seems that Montana wanted the NFL to know that he doesn't jump when they say so.
I can't buy into the fact that he didn't show because he wanted 100K. Walking out on that field with past MVP's is worth more than 100K.
There has to be something between him and the NFL, has to. It seems that Montana wanted the NFL to know that he doesn't jump when they say so.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
There may well be more to it than what we know but from what I know so far, big 
to the no show.
Respect the game. Not everything in life is making sure your get "paid" before you lift a finger.
I'd always sort of thought this about Montana. Can't say it surprises me. But I really thought Bradshaw had turned the corner. He was on Total Access this week with Rich Eisen and when Eisen asked for his pick, he laughed and said no way would he pick anyone but the Steelers. He said he'd just finally got back around and made up with the Pittsburgh folks and wouldn't dare do anything to put that at risk.
Again, may be more to it but from what I'm seeing, not too cool. Especially from Montana.
J
to the no show.Respect the game. Not everything in life is making sure your get "paid" before you lift a finger.
I'd always sort of thought this about Montana. Can't say it surprises me. But I really thought Bradshaw had turned the corner. He was on Total Access this week with Rich Eisen and when Eisen asked for his pick, he laughed and said no way would he pick anyone but the Steelers. He said he'd just finally got back around and made up with the Pittsburgh folks and wouldn't dare do anything to put that at risk.
Again, may be more to it but from what I'm seeing, not too cool. Especially from Montana.
J
But Montana has plenty of time for the cheesy football tied to the bungee cord around your waist ads....
J
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Tau837
Footballguy
There may well be more to it than what we know but from what I know so far, big
Respect the game. Not everything in life is making sure your get "paid" before you lift a finger.
I'd always sort of thought this about Montana. Can't say it surprises me. But I really thought Bradshaw had turned the corner. He was on Total Access this week with Rich Eisen and when Eisen asked for his pick, he laughed and said no way would he pick anyone but the Steelers. He said he'd just finally got back around and made up with the Pittsburgh folks and wouldn't dare do anything to put that at risk.
Again, may be more to it but from what I'm seeing, not too cool. Especially from Montana.
J
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Dunno. Probably about as much as Joe made for that commercial where he puts on his old (NFL owned) 49ers uniform again.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Who said anything about supporting a big corporation?It does not matter who asked Joe to participate -- whether it was the big bad NFL (who gave Joe a job by the way, not that it matters), the 49ers, the United Way, or God himself.Suprised so many people are supporting the big corporation on this one. Joe told the NFL what it would take to get him to show up and the NFL declined joe's offer.
What matters is that Joe was the only living Super Bowl MVP who demanded a fee for his appearance.
Hi BO,I'm honestly surprised that many people would support Montana on this.Suprised so many people are supporting the big corporation on this one. Joe told the NFL what it would take to get him to show up and the NFL declined joe's offer.
Extremely uncool to dishonor the game that basically made it possible for him to earn millions of dollars.
If nothing else, giving 49er fans something to cheer would have been enough.
It's about two things for me on this one.
1. Respecting the game
2. Understanding that you don't always have to be paid for everything you do
Ironically, this might wind up costing him money. Today, Joe Montana would be way down the list of guys I'd want endorsing my product. With that move, he clearly drew the line that for enough $$$ he'd be your man. Without the $$$, not so much.
Not a good spot to be in.
And I'm 100% fine with these guys being compensated for their time. They can't go around speaking at every function anytime someone asks them. I'm great with appearance fees in the course of every day life.
But this was a special situation where you're being honored at the biggest game in the world. And to say you won't allow yourself to be honored there unless you get paid is uncool in my book.
J
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'd hate to see what the dead ones demanded.
Yeah, the something else is when they are done they get flung to the curb like a piece of meat.And Joe doesn't need the accolades that waving to a crowd brings, AND he doesn't need the 100K, but it's what he wants from the league.
If they don't pay, like everyone else. They don't get.
As for love of the game? That is a subjective thing. Some guys LOVE the NFL and what it has done for them, others are not so in love with it.
Joe AND Bradshaw are in the second group.
Simms and Marcus Allen, in the first. They accepted what they got, Joe and Terry didn't.
Had to edit to add: I RESPECT Montana for being ABLE to get 100k from sapps who want to touch and wave at him. It IS about $ for the NFL, tell me what they give away to fans for free and I'll retract it all.
But you can't give me anything they do for free.
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Bradshaw didn't demand $100,000.
B-Deep
Footballguy
some players are grateful to the fans, the league, and the teamsothers are Joe Montana
Some players like to be honored for being the best player in the most important game, others would rather hawk low fare auto insurance
to each their own
This was not the NFL using montana, not one extra person would have tuned in to see him, this as the NFL honoring Montana
I'm glad he didn't show, he doesn't deserve the honor
Hi BO,I gave them both the
but from the (limited) info I know of it, it was Montana demanding 100,000 while Bradshaw said he had a family issue. If that is true, I'd definitely put more on Montana.But I honestly don't know the facts. As I said in my original post, there may be more, but from what I'm reading, it looks bad to me.
J
The NFL had 5.8 billion in revenue in 2005. TV revenue was 87.5 million per team with a salary cap of 85.5 million. That means player salaries are basically covered by just TV revenue.
A commercial cost 2.5 million per 30 minute slot. 100,00 is 4 % of 1 commercial.
Why the hell shouldn't he ask for it.
A commercial cost 2.5 million per 30 minute slot. 100,00 is 4 % of 1 commercial.
Why the hell shouldn't he ask for it.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Imagine the outrage if Montana was black and asked for money. He would be on the first bus to Spreewellville.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Um, because nobody else did?
Capella
Footballguy
This line of thinking cracks me up. The NFL isn't some charity. It's a billion-dollar business. That game yesterday made another mint for the NFL, just like the past 35 or so have. Don't sit there and tell me this was all about honor and dignity, yada yada while the game they're hosting is fetching 2.5 mil for 30 seconds of commercials. And like the NFL is a business, Joe Montana is apparently a business unto himself as well. And apparently he thinks his time is worth 100k an appearance. The NFL said no, and Joe didn't show up. Seems like any other business transaction to me. You offer up a service of some sort, the other party can reject or deny it as they see fit and you go on with your life.Hi BO,I'm honestly surprised that many people would support Montana on this.Suprised so many people are supporting the big corporation on this one. Joe told the NFL what it would take to get him to show up and the NFL declined joe's offer.
Extremely uncool to dishonor the game that basically made it possible for him to earn millions of dollars.
If nothing else, giving 49er fans something to cheer would have been enough.
It's about two things for me on this one.
1. Respecting the game
2. Understanding that you don't always have to be paid for everything you do
Ironically, this might wind up costing him money. Today, Joe Montana would be way down the list of guys I'd want endorsing my product. With that move, he clearly drew the line that for enough $$$ he'd be your man. Without the $$$, not so much.
Not a good spot to be in.
And I'm 100% fine with these guys being compensated for their time. They can't go around speaking at every function anytime someone asks them. I'm great with appearance fees in the course of every day life.
But this was a special situation where you're being honored at the biggest game in the world. And to say you won't allow yourself to be honored there unless you get paid is uncool in my book.
J
This "do it for the fans" and "he should be honored just to be there" nonsense is good for you and me and Joe Fan. Billionaires and millionaires don't care about that schlep. If I'm Joe Montana and I get paid 100k to show up somewhere -- then I expect it unless I'm doing it on a charity basis.
The NFL certainly does not qualify for charity as far as I can tell.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Bradshaw wasn't demanding money, Montana was.Montana: ' pay me'.
Bradshaw: 'me too'.
NFL: 'F U both, ya losers'.
at calling Bradshaw and Montana losers.Personally it doesn't bother me if they don't want to go. But not going because they won't guarantee you $100K is lame.
So for me:
Bradshaw not being there:
Montana not being there:
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Montana was a great football player, but "class" was something he went to when in school.
He just showed his true colors again.
He just showed his true colors again.
This line of thinking cracks me up. The NFL isn't some charity. It's a billion-dollar business. That game yesterday made another mint for the NFL, just like the past 35 or so have. Don't sit there and tell me this was all about honor and dignity, yada yada while the game they're hosting is fetching 2.5 mil for 30 seconds of commercials. And like the NFL is a business, Joe Montana is apparently a business unto himself as well. And apparently he thinks his time is worth 100k an appearance. The NFL said no, and Joe didn't show up. Seems like any other business transaction to me. You offer up a service of some sort, the other party can reject or deny it as they see fit and you go on with your life.Hi BO,I'm honestly surprised that many people would support Montana on this.Suprised so many people are supporting the big corporation on this one. Joe told the NFL what it would take to get him to show up and the NFL declined joe's offer.
Extremely uncool to dishonor the game that basically made it possible for him to earn millions of dollars.
If nothing else, giving 49er fans something to cheer would have been enough.
It's about two things for me on this one.
1. Respecting the game
2. Understanding that you don't always have to be paid for everything you do
Ironically, this might wind up costing him money. Today, Joe Montana would be way down the list of guys I'd want endorsing my product. With that move, he clearly drew the line that for enough $$$ he'd be your man. Without the $$$, not so much.
Not a good spot to be in.
And I'm 100% fine with these guys being compensated for their time. They can't go around speaking at every function anytime someone asks them. I'm great with appearance fees in the course of every day life.
But this was a special situation where you're being honored at the biggest game in the world. And to say you won't allow yourself to be honored there unless you get paid is uncool in my book.
J
This "do it for the fans" and "he should be honored just to be there" nonsense is good for you and me and Joe Fan. Billionaires and millionaires don't care about that schlep. If I'm Joe Montana and I get paid 100k to show up somewhere -- then I expect it unless I'm doing it on a charity basis.
The NFL certainly does not qualify for charity as far as I can tell.
at it having anything to do with charity. Oh well.J
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Capella
Footballguy
Great reply.This line of thinking cracks me up. The NFL isn't some charity. It's a billion-dollar business. That game yesterday made another mint for the NFL, just like the past 35 or so have. Don't sit there and tell me this was all about honor and dignity, yada yada while the game they're hosting is fetching 2.5 mil for 30 seconds of commercials. And like the NFL is a business, Joe Montana is apparently a business unto himself as well. And apparently he thinks his time is worth 100k an appearance. The NFL said no, and Joe didn't show up. Seems like any other business transaction to me. You offer up a service of some sort, the other party can reject or deny it as they see fit and you go on with your life.Hi BO,I'm honestly surprised that many people would support Montana on this.Suprised so many people are supporting the big corporation on this one. Joe told the NFL what it would take to get him to show up and the NFL declined joe's offer.
Extremely uncool to dishonor the game that basically made it possible for him to earn millions of dollars.
If nothing else, giving 49er fans something to cheer would have been enough.
It's about two things for me on this one.
1. Respecting the game
2. Understanding that you don't always have to be paid for everything you do
Ironically, this might wind up costing him money. Today, Joe Montana would be way down the list of guys I'd want endorsing my product. With that move, he clearly drew the line that for enough $$$ he'd be your man. Without the $$$, not so much.
Not a good spot to be in.
And I'm 100% fine with these guys being compensated for their time. They can't go around speaking at every function anytime someone asks them. I'm great with appearance fees in the course of every day life.
But this was a special situation where you're being honored at the biggest game in the world. And to say you won't allow yourself to be honored there unless you get paid is uncool in my book.
J
This "do it for the fans" and "he should be honored just to be there" nonsense is good for you and me and Joe Fan. Billionaires and millionaires don't care about that schlep. If I'm Joe Montana and I get paid 100k to show up somewhere -- then I expect it unless I'm doing it on a charity basis.
The NFL certainly does not qualify for charity as far as I can tell.
Flying V
Footballguy
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trader jake
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in typical (of late) ESPN style they just print the other side of the story the next day after everyone who reads the initial report bashes on the people in question. this type of crap hurts people like joe montana and terry bradshaw in very real ways while ESPN just skates by with more webhits and higher tv ratings. notice how it was ESPN's own "quite frankly" host stephen a. smith who was the one to talk to montana on monday night? how convenient 
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Just like the mainstream media. They make a big issue out of so many things, and then, when the correction comes, they print it at the bottom of page 34.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
isn't Joe Montana the guy who's pimping that "football training game" on TV, that's basically a stick with a piece of elastic attached and a football at the end -- supposedly you can learn to play by flinging the football and it comes back to you. Forget about not showing for the SB, that is one of the most embarrassing commercials I've ever seen. They should take away 2 of his Super Bowl rings for that...
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Agreed, They treat these guys like crap while they play. Then "for the love of the game" they are expected to come and show their teeth for all the fans to wave at.Bradshaw has long practiced no showin. And I respect Montana for staying away as well.So
Let's face it....the NFL is a league that, while you are in the league, you aren't an individual. You are just another piece of the NFL shield. Montana isn't under that shield anymore and considers the NFL like anyone else wanting him to appear. I don't see a problem with it.
It seems to me, I could be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that the NFL has allowed these guys to make a pretty comrfotable living. The fact that he demanded more for one appearance than many Americans make in a year demonstrates that the NFL has given Montana PLENTY.
Beyond that there is the whole love of the game issue.
To me Joe just fell several rungs on the people I respect list. Low class move.
Lord of the Rings
Footballguy
I heard Montana's interview last night on "Quite Frankly" and quite frankly, I believe him and forgive him. It wasn't about money it was about family. He missed most of his two oldest daughters activities because of his career. Now he doesn't want to miss his two sons (13 and 16) growing up. He promised them that he would be at their games. He kept his promise. Apparently the NFL knew that he wasn't going to be there. It also sounds like the SF Chronicle that broke the "Montana wanted more money story" has been dogging him for sometime with other misleading stories.
Bradshaw on the other hand. I'd like to hear his story on this. THE STEELERS WERE PLAYING IN THIS SUPER BOWL... he really should have been there with Franco and Swann.
Bradshaw on the other hand. I'd like to hear his story on this. THE STEELERS WERE PLAYING IN THIS SUPER BOWL... he really should have been there with Franco and Swann.
Spanky24
Footballguy
Bradshaw was on Leno last night & Jay brought this question up to Terry.
Terry's reasoning was a couple things. Spending time with his family and not liking large crowds of people. For that reason AND the fact that Fox wasn't covering the game, he said he never attends SuperBowls. And he told the NFL he didn't want a dime for doing it if he did, that it would be his honor to represent the league. It had absolutely nothing to do with money.
I believed him.
Terry's reasoning was a couple things. Spending time with his family and not liking large crowds of people. For that reason AND the fact that Fox wasn't covering the game, he said he never attends SuperBowls. And he told the NFL he didn't want a dime for doing it if he did, that it would be his honor to represent the league. It had absolutely nothing to do with money.
I believed him.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
What's Joe going to do -- come out and admit that he demanded money? Of course not.Also, the ESPN link indicates that a second newspaper -- not just the SF Chronicle -- had a source linking Joe to the $100K.
Personally, I'm curious to know what kind of high school schedules a basketball game for Super Bowl Sunday?
Hi TG,Yes, Newsday carried the same thing:What's Joe going to do -- come out and admit that he demanded money? Of course not.Also, the ESPN link indicates that a second newspaper -- not just the SF Chronicle -- had a source linking Joe to the $100K.
Personally, I'm curious to know what kind of high school schedules a basketball game for Super Bowl Sunday?
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-...tball-headlines
SammyJankis
Footballguy
Montana has developed a reputation over the years as someone that will hawk anything for a buck. They were talking about this on PTI last night. Is it that he's greedy or is he actually hard up for cash? Its been said that Montana didn't make nearly as much money back in the day that today's stars do, and since he didn't have much of a broadcasting career, he may need to continue to hawk FedEx, Turtle Wax and whatnot to facilitate his lifestyle.FYI, Montana was part of some traveling motivation show called "Get Motivated" or something like that. It was actually a pretty big event that filled America West Arena. Both my wife and brother-in-law's jobs paid for them to go. Anyway, both told me that the event was really embarrassing. They had some big names attached, Tommy Franks and Lou Holtz come to mind. Anyway, the morning session was the usual crappy, "Its the super bowl for your sales team, can you run the two-minute drill?" type rah-rah-rah B.S., but the afternoon was some Amway-style sales pitch. Both my wife and brother-in-law said that the whole event was a disgrace. Phoenix-area businesses sent enough employees to fill America West Arena to effectively hear an Amway pitch. This was based on the draw of names like Montana, Franks and Holtz.
The whole thing just screamed sell out to me. I remember remarking that they "must have backed a dump truck full of money up Montana's driveway" to get him to be associated with that train wreck. So when I heard this story, it didn't really surprise me, as I'm begun to associate Montana with "anything for a dollar".
Interestingly, another player that has been attached to "is he hard up for cash?" rumors is Jerry Rice. There was a lot of speculation that when Rice was thinking about playing 5th banana on the Broncos that he was motivated by the fact that he needed the money. He declined that job, but instead took up "Dancing with the Stars".
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