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Joe needs FFA help - Well known Cheap Fast Food With More expensive better alternative (1 Viewer)

Apropos of nothing, but using the FFA as your marketing department is some kind of next level Facebook data mining move.

 
Another reality check from someone who know anything about wine:

Wine snobbery aside, would the average person say one can get a "decent" bottle of wine for about $20?

 
Joe Bryant said:
Another reality check from someone who know anything about wine:

Wine snobbery aside, would the average person say one can get a "decent" bottle of wine for about $20?
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From a restaurant - no.  From other sources.  Absolutely.  Can get great wines from around the world with 92-23 various ratings at Costco for under that.

 
Scoop of ice cream (vanilla?) vs. hot fudge sundae (or banana split or something)

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Another reality check from someone who know anything about wine:

Wine snobbery aside, would the average person say one can get a "decent" bottle of wine for about $20?
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i work in the wine industry.

anything over $10 retail is considered a "premium" wine. plenty of good/very good bottles at $20. 

the average consumer in the US buys bottles at < $10, and it's actually more like $3 - $5.99.**

in terms of demographics, it breaks like this:

Millennials (22-38) - approximately 24% are buying wines between $15 and $20
Gen X (39-50) - between 29% and 33% are buying wines between $15 and $20 (almost 40% are choosing $21-$30 bottles)
Boomers (51-68) - 40% are purchasing in the $15 to $20 price range (and this group also clocks in at nearly 44% at $50+)
Matures (69+) - sales at the $15 - $20 range hover at around 10% for this group (and they are also buying less wine than all other groups, unsurprisingly).

**ETA: the largest growth in terms of purchasing came in the price range $3-$5.99**

 
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Lots of wines for cheaper than $20.  My local grocer features a whole wall of wines titled "Best wines for under $10".  That's where I buy.

And who the hell is ordering a burger at high end steak houses?  Heathens...

 
Quint said:
i work in the wine industry.

anything over $10 retail is considered a "premium" wine. plenty of good/very good bottles at $20. 

the average consumer in the US buys bottles at < $10, and it's actually more like $3 - $5.99.**

in terms of demographics, it breaks like this:

Millennials (22-38) - approximately 24% are buying wines between $15 and $20
Gen X (39-50) - between 29% and 33% are buying wines between $15 and $20 (almost 40% are choosing $21-$30 bottles)
Boomers (51-68) - 40% are purchasing in the $15 to $20 price range (and this group also clocks in at nearly 44% at $50+)
Matures (69+) - sales at the $15 - $20 range hover at around 10% for this group (and they are also buying less wine than all other groups, unsurprisingly).

**ETA: the largest growth in terms of purchasing came in the price range $3-$5.99**
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Perfect. Thanks a lot. 

Thanks a lot. Any good "inside secrets" you can share? What's the best value? What the experts drink? That kind of stuff. Thanks.

 
Joe Bryant said:
And does Ruth Chris have a burger?
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Morton’s has an awesome Prime burger, but only on the lunch menu....

Ground from the trimmings of their aged, USDA-Prime grade steaks, this is a poor man's high-end steak sandwich.
if your idea of a good burger starts and end with the best meat formed into an equally hefty patty, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better example of tender, flavorful aged ground steak. The burger meat is so tender it can practically chew itself, especially if you order yours rare.

The bacon here is thin and crisp, not thick and chewy. Bacon crisply crumbles with each bite, rather make you face the embarrassingly premature pull-out of too-thick bacon. You can also choose to add perfectly soft caramelized onion, sauteed mushroom slices, and your choice of several cheeses (horseradish Cheddar, American, Swiss, blue or Cheddar).

 
Joe Bryant said:
Need the brainpower of the FFA.

Working on an advertising thing.

What's a well known cheap (but still liked) thing and the well known better (and loved) and more expensive counterpart?

Food is likely an easy one.

White Castle and In N Out Burger?

Others?

Need it to be recognizable to a national audience. 

Thanks 
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FFToday's cheatsheet......and Footballguys' Draft Dominator. :)

 
Carnation / Rose

Bronze / Gold

Penn St / Harvard

Star Trek / Star Wars

Steelers / Patriots

Corn Flakes / Capt Crunch

Dunkin Donuts / Starbucks

Mounds / Almond Joy

Spirit / Jet Blue

PitBull / Snoop Dog

 
@Joe Bryant You've been doing the angle of "this service is the same price as XYZ" for too long dude.  You're ignoring the basic willingness to pay model. 

Focus on the value you're providing, not a monetary comparison to another product; that's like comparing the price of a happy meal to iPhone app - doesn't compute to most people.   

The value of your product has is time saved.  My time is money and I don't want to spend it figuring out who a deep 3rd TE pick is, that's what I pay you for.

Promote the time value.  HTH.

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Perfect. Thanks a lot. 

Thanks a lot. Any good "inside secrets" you can share? What's the best value? What the experts drink? That kind of stuff. Thanks.
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that's a truly broad set of questions. i'll try my best. 

let me qualify: wine, like anything else, is subject to taste. between preferences of red to white, light to bold, dry to sweet, Old World (i.e. generally Europe) to New World (i.e. generally not Europe), and grape to grape, there's so much room for subjectivity it's almost too big to address. factor in body chemistry by individual, literally the ability to taste, smell, sense different aspects of a wine, and price point pressure, and it can go almost anywhere. so......

best value? well, what kind of wine do you like and how much money do you want (or can afford) to spend, and what are your expectations? i know, that sounds like a question answering a question, but it's fairly complicated. to put it in the "average wine consumer terms": spending less for higher quality is the goal. at this point in time, lesser-known or maybe more accurately, lesser-regarded regions, grapes and countries are the places to look. for example, Garnacha from Spain, Malbec and Tannat from South America, and Reisling from Germany tend to be under-priced based on quality and comparison to regions like Bordeaux, Burgundy, and NorCal. and even within CA, NorCal regions like Mendocino, Lodi, and Livermore don't carry the same name recognition as Napa/Sonoma, who generally charge more per bottle, so there's a value that way. filter down the coast to places like Monterey, Carmel, Lompoc, and some parts of Paso Robles, and you find the same thing. lesser-known grapes also provide better value, but the downside from the producer end is how to sell a bottle of 100% Mourvedre (which is not widely planted or produced as a varietal wine), compared to Cabernet Sauvignon? Mourvedre costs less per ton, but Cab Sauv has the name recognition. tl/dr: buy wines from South America if you like medium bodied reds and red blends, same for Spain and Australia. CA produces a boat-ton of wine every year, and there's plenty of great juice out there for $20 or less....both reds and whites. i tell people i pour for every day, "Buy what you like, and drink what you like. Taste. Taste. Taste. Taste everything...you never know when you'll find that next blow-your-doors-off bottle."

experts? well, if you mean people who rate wines (i.e. throw grades/scores around) then Galloni, Perrotti-Brown, Parker, Laube, et. al. pretty much get to taste whatever they want, and producers will bend over backward to get their wines in front of the pros. a kind word or big score sells lots of bottles, especially to the Wine Geek. Wine Geek? well, i'm in that crowd, but on the outer edges due to my inability/unwillingness to spend $1000 on a Cult Cab. normally, those folks are looking for the next small-producer (e.g. 500 cases/year) with some sort of pedigree or advance buzz from fellow Wine Geeks who've been to the winemaker's shack and had samples of the wine out of the barrel before bottling. it's kind of a status thing in a way: i found Producer X before anyone else, HA! 

bottom line: price <> quality, with very few exceptions. if you want to get into wine, or learn more about your palate, go to Trader Joe's and spend $60 on five or six bottles. put them in paper bags, and taste them blind (i.e. you don't know what wine is in which glass). you don't have to break the bank learning this way, and by not having a preconcieved notion of what your tasting, it makes you pay more attention to what your experiencing between taste, smell, mouthfeel, etc. even the most hardened Wine Geek is down for a blind tasting. 

while i'm typing, some rules for tastings in public: 

- don't wear perfume or cologne 
- it's ok to spit out the wine if you don't like it, or if you're driving
- feel free to get a buzz while tasting, just don't be That Guy/Girl and be hammered 
- if you're in a tasting room environment, feel free to ask questions. it's the best way to learn, and if the person pouring is doing their job, they'll be happy to answer without being condescending
- drink one glass of water for every tasting you do
- if you like the wine, buy a bottle (or six, or twelve) ... sales keep the doors open
- try everything, unless there's a physical reason you cannot. the next, best, wine may be the next one you taste

HTH, if you have any specific questions i'm happy to answer as best i can. 

drink well

 
Chemical X said:
Morton’s has an awesome Prime burger, but only on the lunch menu....

Ground from the trimmings of their aged, USDA-Prime grade steaks, this is a poor man's high-end steak sandwich.
if your idea of a good burger starts and end with the best meat formed into an equally hefty patty, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better example of tender, flavorful aged ground steak. The burger meat is so tender it can practically chew itself, especially if you order yours rare.

The bacon here is thin and crisp, not thick and chewy. Bacon crisply crumbles with each bite, rather make you face the embarrassingly premature pull-out of too-thick bacon. You can also choose to add perfectly soft caramelized onion, sauteed mushroom slices, and your choice of several cheeses (horseradish Cheddar, American, Swiss, blue or Cheddar).
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Thanks a LOT. 

It is 8:54am and now I am hungry for a burger. 

 
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HellToupee said:
My wife spends $100 on yoga pants from lulu something. $100  :rant: , I spend $15 on sweats at Costco 
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Pretty sure everyone would agree the money you spent on the sweatpants would have been better used to save towards another pair of yoga pants. 

 
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