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John Beck era has arrived. Starting against PHI (1 Viewer)

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Rookie John Beck to start against the Eagles

The John Beck era has arrived.

The Dolphins will announce later this afternoon that Beck, the team's rookie second-round draft pick, will make his first NFL start against the Eagles Sunday according to a source. Beck will replace Cleo Lemon, who has started the past four games after replacing Trent Green, who is out for the season with concussion issues.

Beck will make his debut in one of the NFL's unfriendliest environments against the blitzing, pressuring defense Eagles defensive coordinator Jimmie Johnson likes to run. Earlier this week coach Cam Cameron said the venue would not determine which quarterback he would pick as his starter.

Cameron's criteria for picking his starter has been which quarterback is most prepared and deserving of having the job. Cameron has said it would be the player who, "gives us the best chance to win."

Despite this Lemon had been unable to win any of his four starts since taking over from Green, who did not win in any of his five starts. The Dolphins are the only winless team in the NFL.

Now it falls to Beck. But in handing the keys to the Miami offense to the Beck, Cameron has transitioned to the player the team is hopeful will hold the job for years to come.

ETA: FYI, there are conflicting reports and Armando posted this on his blog message board:

Armando Salguero said...

Michael, I am not guessing. I have been told this is the case and I feel confident enough in my source to go with it.

 
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That is opposite what the Palm Beach Post is saying Cleo to Start

I hope it is Beck, we've seen enough of Ms. Cleo, the Philly blitz and D isn't what it was a few years ago, they are average.

 
I'm not so sure it's that difficult to start against the Eagles. Jason Campbell threw 3 TD's against them last week, with a makeshift offensive line.

 
As a Beck dynasty owner I am anxious to see what he can do to know if he is worth keeping this off season. The Finns need to assess him for the same reason. Why wait another week?

 
As a Beck dynasty owner I am anxious to see what he can do to know if he is worth keeping this off season. The Finns need to assess him for the same reason. Why wait another week?
The next two games are on the road at Philly, who has new life and is going to come out firing, and at Pittsburgh, who now has a legit shot at getting a bye. This has bad news written all over it. Just wait for the Jets.
 
I thought we should have started him last week at home, against an average BUF defense but I'm no coach. We definitely need to see his potential for draft reasons next year.

 
As a Beck dynasty owner I am anxious to see what he can do to know if he is worth keeping this off season. The Finns need to assess him for the same reason. Why wait another week?
The next two games are on the road at Philly, who has new life and is going to come out firing, and at Pittsburgh, who now has a legit shot at getting a bye. This has bad news written all over it. Just wait for the Jets.
Ouch!
 
So instead of starting Beck after a BYE where he would have had 2 weeks to prepare for the BEATABLE Buffalo Bills at home Cam Cameron in all his wisdom decides NOW is the time to start 2nd rd draft pick John Beck.

Week 11 - AT Philadelphia

Week 12 - AT Pittsburgh

Talk about getting thrown to the wolves. I guess we'll find out very soon if Beck has the balls and ability to be an NFL QB.

Good job stupid.

 
I agree he should have started last week, but people are way over rating Philly. As someone pointed out the Redskins were able to run the ball well and Campbell tossed 3 TD passes against them last week when the skins had a bunch of injured linemen. Miami is running the ball well as hard as it is to believe. Let him start and see what he has.

 
So instead of starting Beck after a BYE where he would have had 2 weeks to prepare for the BEATABLE Buffalo Bills at home Cam Cameron in all his wisdom decides NOW is the time to start 2nd rd draft pick John Beck. Week 11 - AT Philadelphia Week 12 - AT Pittsburgh Talk about getting thrown to the wolves. I guess we'll find out very soon if Beck has the balls and ability to be an NFL QB. Good job stupid.
Great avatarI have been calling for Cam's job for weeks, the guy is in over his head. There is talent on this team and they should not be 0-9...they started the season with Ronnie Brown, Chambers, Green...they lossed a few close ones, but they had Zach and Jason Taylor on the other side of the ball.Forget starting Beck after a bye week at home against a very beatable Buffalo Bills team, instead let's let him start in the absolute meanest stadium in the league where fans throw batteries at Santa Claus...that's a great idea Cam...and then he can have his confidence completed shattered against Pittsburgh the week after.Bye Bye Cam
 
I agree he should have started last week, but people are way over rating Philly. As someone pointed out the Redskins were able to run the ball well and Campbell tossed 3 TD passes against them last week when the skins had a bunch of injured linemen. Miami is running the ball well as hard as it is to believe. Let him start and see what he has.
It's not the team, it's the environment...the fans would have gotten behind him last week at home.
 
I agree he should have started last week, but people are way over rating Philly. As someone pointed out the Redskins were able to run the ball well and Campbell tossed 3 TD passes against them last week when the skins had a bunch of injured linemen. Miami is running the ball well as hard as it is to believe. Let him start and see what he has.
The Redskins did do a nice job last week, and I think the Eagles are probably a 7-9 or 8-8 team that misses the playoffs. This situation, however, is one that Cam Cameron is picking the wrong kid to fight. The Eagles are a team that loves to blitz, and they do it from everywhere. Against a QB making his first NFL start, Jim Johnson will not be afraid to overwhelm this guy. Couple that with the fact that the Eagles with a win would be 1 game out of a playoff spot (since the Giants play the Lions), and this is a game that I guarantee the Eagles will be well prepared for. I don't think starting Beck will change the outcome of the game, but this is not the right situation to throw the 26 year old kid in. That being said, I hope the Dolphins have finally found themselves a QB.
 
As a Beck dynasty owner I am anxious to see what he can do to know if he is worth keeping this off season. The Finns need to assess him for the same reason. Why wait another week?
The next two games are on the road at Philly, who has new life and is going to come out firing, and at Pittsburgh, who now has a legit shot at getting a bye. This has bad news written all over it. Just wait for the Jets.
No. Get him started now so that he is ready to beat the Jets
 
As a Beck dynasty owner I am anxious to see what he can do to know if he is worth keeping this off season. The Finns need to assess him for the same reason. Why wait another week?
The next two games are on the road at Philly, who has new life and is going to come out firing, and at Pittsburgh, who now has a legit shot at getting a bye. This has bad news written all over it. Just wait for the Jets.
No. Get him started now so that he is ready to beat the Jets
I like that line of thinking a lot. I was all for starting him either last week, or waiting for the Jets game, but I think this is the right way to think about this. The Jets game is likely the Fins best chance to avoid a winless season. If you put a rookie in that game for his first start, you may blow the opportunity to get that one win. 2 games against aggressive defenses may rattle Beck's confidence, but if they shatter it than he likely does not have the intestinal fortitude to be an NFL QB. He shoudl be able to learn from those 2 games, and put that knowledge into play against the Jets.I just changed my mind. Start him now!

 
So instead of starting Beck after a BYE where he would have had 2 weeks to prepare for the BEATABLE Buffalo Bills at home Cam Cameron in all his wisdom decides NOW is the time to start 2nd rd draft pick John Beck. Week 11 - AT Philadelphia Week 12 - AT Pittsburgh Talk about getting thrown to the wolves. I guess we'll find out very soon if Beck has the balls and ability to be an NFL QB. Good job stupid.
No doubt Cam was playing for the win last week agasinst the Bills
 
What makes people think that Miami is going to beat the Jets now? No Ronnie Brown, no Chris Chambers, and no Trent Green. I don't see it happening. Those guys were the reason that Miami scored those two garbage touchdowns in the 4th quarter. The score was 31-13 at the time.

If anything, they will have a better chance of beating Cincy on the last week of the season. Maybe Cincy will mail it in as they think about partying on South Beach.

 
Slight bump for his WRs? Beck can't be any worse than Lemon. I can see Ginn putting up better stats - still not startable but possibly rosterable depth.
The WR were doing very little with Lemon, but there really are no viable WR on the team right now anyway. I was thinking it might be a slight bump for Chatman though, since Lemon steals a lot of the TDs on the ground when they get close in. Aside from Chatman, I dont think there are any Fins worth even rostering in a redraft format.
 
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.

Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.

 
So instead of starting Beck after a BYE where he would have had 2 weeks to prepare for the BEATABLE Buffalo Bills at home Cam Cameron in all his wisdom decides NOW is the time to start 2nd rd draft pick John Beck.

Week 11 - AT Philadelphia

Week 12 - AT Pittsburgh

Talk about getting thrown to the wolves. I guess we'll find out very soon if Beck has the balls and ability to be an NFL QB.

Good job stupid.
:lmao: :thumbup: :lmao: Literally made me laugh out loud.Not a Dolphins fan, but I've been there, bro. Keep hangin' tough.

 
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.
They don't deserve a lousy team. You could pick several threads right now that have fans unhappy about some things with their team. I think with the Dolphins, this is a team that has constantly underachieved the last few years, and I understand why their fans are a bit cynical.
 
They don't deserve a lousy team. You could pick several threads right now that have fans unhappy about some things with their team. I think with the Dolphins, this is a team that has constantly underachieved the last few years, and I understand why their fans are a bit cynical.
I overstated. But some of them are beyond cynical. I'm cynical about the Chargers, ask anyone. But the people calling for Cameron's head all the time just aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This team is suffering a major hangover from a ton of quick fixes over the last 5 to 10 years, and here they are calling for more of the same now that the inevitable consequences of horrible decisions over that span have arrived. The Dolphins don't need more turnover - they need some stability. I don't know if Cameron will ultimately cut it as a head coach, but calling for the axe midway through what everyone knew (or should have known) was going to be a painful rebuilding season is nuts, especially when the guy has actually answered each complaint they've had so far.
 
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.
I don't think you've been following the fins fans at all. The preseason and the first few weeks was a mystery to us fans. Chatman is ok but Brown is a stud and most of us knew this. Ronnie just needed to line to gel.Beck should have been starting weeks ago at this point. I think most of us regarding too soon/too late are frustrated with the timing. Last week at home against the Bills would have made more sense IMO, thus the frustration.
 
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.
I don't think you've been following the fins fans at all. The preseason and the first few weeks was a mystery to us fans.
There were plenty of MIA fans crying Cam wasn't handling Brown well in the preseason. That he hadn't named him the starter. That he had Brown return a few kickoffs. That all took place well before the first game of the season. Turned out Brown never played as well for any other coach.The same people that have been throwing a tantrum because Beck hasn't been in the game yet are the people that will label Beck a "bust" based on less than half a season, playing his rookie year in less than ideal circumstances.IMO I think Cam is making the wrong move here, similar to his other glaring bad move when he tried to explain Ginn as the first round pick to fans. He's making a mistake trying to make MIA fans happy. Fans always want to see the new QB and then will give up on him in less than half a season. Same goes for coaches. At this point I think MIA fans deserve the team they have and I hope they do fire Cameron after the season. Fire the coach and change the QB every year. Hey, it's worked for the raiders!
 
Horses Mouth said:
Gr00vus said:
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.
I don't think you've been following the fins fans at all. The preseason and the first few weeks was a mystery to us fans. Chatman is ok but Brown is a stud and most of us knew this. Ronnie just needed to line to gel.Beck should have been starting weeks ago at this point. I think most of us regarding too soon/too late are frustrated with the timing. Last week at home against the Bills would have made more sense IMO, thus the frustration.
I think Cameron has the best idea of when Beck will be ready to see if he can handle playing in the NFL. He's decided that it's now. Like you he needs to see what he's got in Beck while also avoiding putting him out there before he's ready. There are 7 games left in the season, wait longer and you get an even smaller sample size of PT for the kid to see if you need to address QB or not in the next draft. The Philly D is average. It's a good starting point to test Beck. If he'd been ready to go last week fine, but Cameron thought he wasn't. The timing isn't predicated on the opponent - it's predicated on when Beck is ready to start. That's his call as the coach. So far he's been right about many things. Maybe he'll be right about this too. Either way it's not the end of the world - this team isn't going anywhere anyway this year. It's all about the long term at this point. Sure they want to win games, but not at the expense of screwing things up down the road.
 
ooofffaaa said:
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
I can see Ginn putting up better stats
I can definitely see the stronger armed Beck heave a few downfield to Ginn.
I could very well be mistaken, but I thought after the NFL draft, I read that the big knock on Beck was that he didn't have the arm strength to take advantage of Ginn's deep threat speed?
 
BoltBacker said:
Horses Mouth said:
Gr00vus said:
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.

Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.
I don't think you've been following the fins fans at all. The preseason and the first few weeks was a mystery to us fans.
There were plenty of MIA fans crying Cam wasn't handling Brown well in the preseason. That he hadn't named him the starter. That he had Brown return a few kickoffs. That all took place well before the first game of the season. Turned out Brown never played as well for any other coach.The same people that have been throwing a tantrum because Beck hasn't been in the game yet are the people that will label Beck a "bust" based on less than half a season, playing his rookie year in less than ideal circumstances.

IMO I think Cam is making the wrong move here, similar to his other glaring bad move when he tried to explain Ginn as the first round pick to fans. He's making a mistake trying to make MIA fans happy. Fans always want to see the new QB and then will give up on him in less than half a season. Same goes for coaches.

At this point I think MIA fans deserve the team they have and I hope they do fire Cameron after the season. Fire the coach and change the QB every year. Hey, it's worked for the raiders!
I am sure the Cameron family appreciates your warm sentiments. Also, no fan of any team deserves this Miami squad. I am not sure what the crime was on behalf of the Miami Dolphins fans. Impatience and frustration? Guilty as charged, but the same would be true of the fans of any team in any sport if they got the product that we have gotten recently and they cared about their team.
 
As a Beck dynasty owner I am anxious to see what he can do to know if he is worth keeping this off season. The Finns need to assess him for the same reason. Why wait another week?
The next two games are on the road at Philly, who has new life and is going to come out firing, and at Pittsburgh, who now has a legit shot at getting a bye. This has bad news written all over it. Just wait for the Jets.
No. Get him started now so that he is ready to beat the Jets
I like that line of thinking a lot. I was all for starting him either last week, or waiting for the Jets game, but I think this is the right way to think about this. The Jets game is likely the Fins best chance to avoid a winless season. If you put a rookie in that game for his first start, you may blow the opportunity to get that one win. 2 games against aggressive defenses may rattle Beck's confidence, but if they shatter it than he likely does not have the intestinal fortitude to be an NFL QB. He shoudl be able to learn from those 2 games, and put that knowledge into play against the Jets.I just changed my mind. Start him now!
I respect when people read these boards trying to learn more and keep an open mind on items. Not because you agreed with me, but because you thought about your own position, I respect that. Far too often people are trying to be right on this board rather than searching for the "truth."BTW, I agree that if he is rattled where his confidence gets shot than long term he probably is not the answer. Now you don't want a guy to get gun shy, but I would rather him face the pressure and be ready for the Jets. he is also not your typical rookie in that he is older.

 
They don't deserve a lousy team. You could pick several threads right now that have fans unhappy about some things with their team. I think with the Dolphins, this is a team that has constantly underachieved the last few years, and I understand why their fans are a bit cynical.
I overstated. But some of them are beyond cynical. I'm cynical about the Chargers, ask anyone. But the people calling for Cameron's head all the time just aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This team is suffering a major hangover from a ton of quick fixes over the last 5 to 10 years, and here they are calling for more of the same now that the inevitable consequences of horrible decisions over that span have arrived. The Dolphins don't need more turnover - they need some stability. I don't know if Cameron will ultimately cut it as a head coach, but calling for the axe midway through what everyone knew (or should have known) was going to be a painful rebuilding season is nuts, especially when the guy has actually answered each complaint they've had so far.
Your first comment was off base, but your explanation I agree with. I think Cameron and Mueller have made some bad decisions (I was not in favor of getting Green at all), but Cam is inexperienced and making some wrong moves. Overall, the draft this year may be good if Beck is capable. I see Ginn getting better and his hands seem good to go along with great speed. i don't think he cuts sharp (or has quick hips), but good hands and speed is a good combo to work with. I see him being a threat. Satele was a fantastic pick and now we will see Beck (folks give him to the beginning of next year before final judgment is in). That being said, the Dolphins do need some stability and if you look at the line which is now working well with Houck and Cam developing it that is VERY encouraging. We have to give these guys some time and I have not been a fan of the way Cam calls a game or his decisions on 4th down. Give him some time though.
 
Some of the Miami fans are funny in their hate for Cameron. First he wasn't using Brown enough, Chatman was a waste of space and the line wasn't blocking. Two weeks later Brown's blowing up and the line's doing great. Then Brown goes down and Chatman fills in nicely. Then it's "why isn't he starting Beck?," now Beck's going to get a start and they're complaining that it's either too late or too soon.Unbelievable. You guys deserve a lousy team.
I don't think you've been following the fins fans at all. The preseason and the first few weeks was a mystery to us fans.
There were plenty of MIA fans crying Cam wasn't handling Brown well in the preseason. That he hadn't named him the starter. That he had Brown return a few kickoffs. That all took place well before the first game of the season. Turned out Brown never played as well for any other coach.The same people that have been throwing a tantrum because Beck hasn't been in the game yet are the people that will label Beck a "bust" based on less than half a season, playing his rookie year in less than ideal circumstances.IMO I think Cam is making the wrong move here, similar to his other glaring bad move when he tried to explain Ginn as the first round pick to fans. He's making a mistake trying to make MIA fans happy. Fans always want to see the new QB and then will give up on him in less than half a season. Same goes for coaches. At this point I think MIA fans deserve the team they have and I hope they do fire Cameron after the season. Fire the coach and change the QB every year. Hey, it's worked for the raiders!
Boltbacker I think your read hear is wrong at almost every turn with the exception of some of the same people will turn on Beck too soon.First, the reason Brown was doing well had little to do with Cam's motivational methods you vaguely referenced, it had to do with the fact he wasn't getting hit behind the LOS every play. the OL playing well (which could have to do with Cam working with Houck and adding Satele) is the reason why Brown was looking great. It is the same reason why a very ordinary Chatman is looking OK as well. So your comment that "Brown never played as well for any other coach" is off baseIt is not the wrong move here to bench Cleo Lemon who is clearly a backup at best for your 2nd round draft pick who is no youngster. They should not fire Cam and should not go back on Beck until mid season next year if he clearly is stinking up the joint. They need to keep with one direction for awhile. The problem with Cam and Mueller was that they were inconsistent in their early decisions, such as bringing on Green as an old guy who had a terrible concussion. They should have just started Lemon with beck waiting and the Green decision cost them money, a late draft pick (I believe) and time that Beck and Lemon could have had with the 1st team. He was trying to win 7 games rather than win 4 games and get your team positioned better for the future.Edited to add that the signing of Joey Porter was another one that didn't make sense to me as it showed them going for this year rather than the future. Not only that the signing was awful. The inconsistency is what bothers me, but I can see if that gets better next year.
 
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in their early decisions, such as bringing on Green as an old guy who had a terrible concussion. They should have just started Lemon with beck waiting and the Green decision cost them money, a late draft pick (I believe) and time that Beck and Lemon could have had with the 1st team. He was trying to win 7 games rather than win 4 games and get your team positioned better for the future.Edited to add that the signing of Joey Porter was another one that didn't make sense to me as it showed them going for this year rather than the future. Not only that the signing was awful. The inconsistency is what bothers me, but I can see if that gets better next year.
I don't think either signing was so bad. They brought in a veteran QB so that they wouldn't have to depend on a couple of completely inexperienced QBs, and another vet on D to add some depth. I think they knew exactly what they were getting, and though it's unfortunate that neither one has worked out, I don't think these are things to get that upset about. Both guys were stopgaps just to get through the season without putting pressure on younger guys to perform.
 
First, the reason Brown was doing well had little to do with Cam's motivational methods you vaguely referenced, it had to do with the fact he wasn't getting hit behind the LOS every play. the OL playing well (which could have to do with Cam working with Houck and adding Satele) is the reason why Brown was looking great. It is the same reason why a very ordinary Chatman is looking OK as well. So your comment that "Brown never played as well for any other coach" is off base
Yes, because the Cameron offense has made both Brown and Chatman look very good. Much better than they did last season. Cameron made Brown look much better than he ever has in his career. And MIA fans cried all preseason about the way Cameron was handling Brown.
 
First, the reason Brown was doing well had little to do with Cam's motivational methods you vaguely referenced, it had to do with the fact he wasn't getting hit behind the LOS every play. the OL playing well (which could have to do with Cam working with Houck and adding Satele) is the reason why Brown was looking great. It is the same reason why a very ordinary Chatman is looking OK as well. So your comment that "Brown never played as well for any other coach" is off base
Yes, because the Cameron offense has made both Brown and Chatman look very good. Much better than they did last season. Cameron made Brown look much better than he ever has in his career. And MIA fans cried all preseason about the way Cameron was handling Brown.
Cameron was bashed by Miami fans, and non-Miami fans alike for the way he handled Brown in preseason. You can check these boards for your evidence. I was involved in many threads where I, and others were attempting to defend Cam from the venom of non-Fins fans. The truth is, it looked very questionable in the preseason, but those that gave Cam the benefit of the doubt on Ronnie turned out to be correct.
 
First, the reason Brown was doing well had little to do with Cam's motivational methods you vaguely referenced, it had to do with the fact he wasn't getting hit behind the LOS every play. the OL playing well (which could have to do with Cam working with Houck and adding Satele) is the reason why Brown was looking great. It is the same reason why a very ordinary Chatman is looking OK as well. So your comment that "Brown never played as well for any other coach" is off base
Yes, because the Cameron offense has made both Brown and Chatman look very good. Much better than they did last season. Cameron made Brown look much better than he ever has in his career. And MIA fans cried all preseason about the way Cameron was handling Brown.
Cameron was bashed by Miami fans, and non-Miami fans alike for the way he handled Brown in preseason. You can check these boards for your evidence. I was involved in many threads where I, and others were attempting to defend Cam from the venom of non-Fins fans. The truth is, it looked very questionable in the preseason, but those that gave Cam the benefit of the doubt on Ronnie turned out to be correct.
Exactly.
 
What makes people think that Miami is going to beat the Jets now? No Ronnie Brown, no Chris Chambers, and no Trent Green. I don't see it happening. Those guys were the reason that Miami scored those two garbage touchdowns in the 4th quarter. The score was 31-13 at the time.If anything, they will have a better chance of beating Cincy on the last week of the season. Maybe Cincy will mail it in as they think about partying on South Beach.
:rolleyes:
 

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