John Beck (1 Viewer)

[Our Gang]

Beck will be 26 this August, what is his story that he is so old as a senior?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

BYU - he went on a 3 year mission right out of high school.

 

[LHUCKS]

Listed as one of my three most underrated.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Listed as one of my three most underrated.

BYU is in the Pac-10 now?

 

[crnerblitz]

 

[Our Gang]

great season his senior season!

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

 

[Sean Baca]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

I agree Cec, he has a side arm throw at times and looks like he's pushing the ball. His numbers were inflated because of the offense he ran at BYU

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

Accuracy and decision making...just strikes me as a guy that can make the transition at the next level despite his physical shortcomings.

 

[Thorpe]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

How did Jim McMahon and Steve Young do in the pros?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

How did Jim McMahon and Steve Young do in the pros?

I knew someone would bring those two up. Looking at recent history, the QB's from BYU don't fit in the NFL.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Was solid in Rollerball until he died.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

How did Jim McMahon and Steve Young do in the pros?

I knew someone would bring those two up. Looking at recent history, the QB's from BYU don't fit in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but according to that logic, Larry Johnson should have gone undrafted due to the Penn State history...judge the player, not what other players have done before him...

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

How did Jim McMahon and Steve Young do in the pros?

I knew someone would bring those two up. Looking at recent history, the QB's from BYU don't fit in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but according to that logic, Larry Johnson should have gone undrafted due to the Penn State history...judge the player, not what other players have done before him...

Very true. I'm not saying the Kevin Kolb is going to be Andre Ware/David Klingler.When I watch film on Beck I see a guy with good touch and accuracy, but poor arm strength and what I perceive as weak leadership skills.

 

[BoltBacker]

When I watch film on Beck I see a guy with good touch and accuracy, but poor arm strength and what I perceive as weak leadership skills.

I'm curious why you question his leadership skills? It has to go deeper than simply the cadence.I'll be the first to admit I don't watch a lick of college football but based on what all the experts say I can't help but agree with LHUCKS. Touch and accuracy are very important qualities for any QB but I think the key point LHUCKS made was his decision making. Touch, accuracy, decision making, ho-hum arm strength.... kind of sounds like a Breese-type passer to me. That's why I was curious why you questioned Becks leadership skills... when Brees first joined the Chargers he wasn't demonstrative on the field by any stretch but that didn't mean he wasn't a leader. When he left SD many players expressed how much they'd miss his leadership and it appears to me NO has blossomed in part due to his leadership.... especially when compared to the leadership they "lost" when Aaron Brooks left town.I think the fact his strengths seem to mirror Brees strengths and the fact he is older and by most accounts one of the QB's in this rookie class most ready to step in and start soon has me picturing him in MIA running Camerons offense in the near future. He should still be around at the top of the third round from what I've read. Maybe I'm way off in that line of thinking, like I said I don't watch any college football.

 

[Donnybrook]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

How did Jim McMahon and Steve Young do in the pros?

I knew someone would bring those two up. Looking at recent history, the QB's from BYU don't fit in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but according to that logic, Larry Johnson should have gone undrafted due to the Penn State history...judge the player, not what other players have done before him...

Very true. I'm not saying the Kevin Kolb is going to be Andre Ware/David Klingler.When I watch film on Beck I see a guy with good touch and accuracy, but poor arm strength and what I perceive as weak leadership skills.

I can't disagree because I have never seen him play. But some reports do: http://panthers.scout.com/2/629354.html

With one question mark answered, that left the biggest knock on Beck – arm strength. After watching some film on him, this writer wonders where those questions arose in the first place. There are numerous occasions where Beck gets the ball 40+ yards down the field with what is a seeming flick of the wrist. Film also shows good escapability and a willingness to deliver a throw knowing a big hit is coming. He further answered arm strength questions by recording the second highest ball speed at the combine with a 61.1 mph throw and then throwing the ball very well at his Pro Day. Beck says Brett Favre is a big inspiration for him and while he doesn't have the Howitzer for an arm that Favre possesses, you can certainly see the similarities in toughness, leadership, and creativity....

 

[Slider]

I'm not impressed with Beck. His arm strength is very limited, and his cadence is whisper soft.

Come on Cecil...cadence?

Indicative of his command of the offense, his teammates, etc. At the Shrine Game practices you could barely hear him. Plus the BYU factor, detmer, walsh, etc. They were great college QB's, but it never translated to the NFL. why is he one of your favs LHUCKS?

How did Jim McMahon and Steve Young do in the pros?

I knew someone would bring those two up. Looking at recent history, the QB's from BYU don't fit in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but according to that logic, Larry Johnson should have gone undrafted due to the Penn State history...judge the player, not what other players have done before him...

Very true. I'm not saying the Kevin Kolb is going to be Andre Ware/David Klingler.When I watch film on Beck I see a guy with good touch and accuracy, but poor arm strength and what I perceive as weak leadership skills.

Wow, that was Joe Montana's scouting report. Guess it depends on where Beck goes.

 

[Pick]

Hate on Beck at your own peril. He tore it up at the combine. His throwing test results were second at the combine and surpassed any QB from last year's draft. He has said many times that he takes some off the ball to promote accuracy. He can turn it up as far as velocity goes and he showed as much at the combine. It remains to be seen how accurate he can be when he has to throw it hard on every play. He has a quick release and good footwork and he also ran a 4.7. The leadership knock is a freakin joke. The dude is clutch.

 

[Ozymandias]

It's always hard to predict what moving from the college ranks to the pros will do for qb's. First rounders often fail, and later rounders fail more often, but sometimes the greats come from the latter rounds.

Beck had the talent in the college ranks. He picked Oregon apart in the bowl game, and hung a bigger defeat on them than USC had done. He'll go second or third round, I think. Then time will tell, and the team that picked him will either be heroes, or vilified for a wasted pick.

 

[crnerblitz]

great season his senior season!

I guess I should clarify my lest I be branded as a Beck hater. I was responding to Construxboys' remarks directed toward Lhucks about byu being in the pac 10 now.I dont have a clear line of thought on Beck per se. I like the discussion so far and will continue to keep my ear to the ground in this thread.That is all.

 

[Pick]

great season his senior season!

I was responding to Construxboys' remarks directed toward Lhucks about byu being in the pac 10 now.

This almost happened.

 

[BoltBacker]

When I watch film on Beck I see a guy with good touch and accuracy, but poor arm strength and what I perceive as weak leadership skills.

I'm curious why you question his leadership skills? It has to go deeper than simply the cadence.I'll be the first to admit I don't watch a lick of college football but based on what all the experts say I can't help but agree with LHUCKS. Touch and accuracy are very important qualities for any QB but I think the key point LHUCKS made was his decision making. Touch, accuracy, decision making, ho-hum arm strength.... kind of sounds like a Breese-type passer to me. That's why I was curious why you questioned Becks leadership skills... when Brees first joined the Chargers he wasn't demonstrative on the field by any stretch but that didn't mean he wasn't a leader. When he left SD many players expressed how much they'd miss his leadership and it appears to me NO has blossomed in part due to his leadership.... especially when compared to the leadership they "lost" when Aaron Brooks left town.I think the fact his strengths seem to mirror Brees strengths and the fact he is older and by most accounts one of the QB's in this rookie class most ready to step in and start soon has me picturing him in MIA running Camerons offense in the near future. He should still be around at the top of the third round from what I've read. Maybe I'm way off in that line of thinking, like I said I don't watch any college football.

Good choice by Cameron in the second round, maybe I'm not the only one that see's a little of Brees in Beck. If the Green deal goes through a trio of Green/Lemon/Beck this year isn't a bad start for Cameron at all imo and Chambers/Ginn should loosen things up underneath for Brown. Like I've posted before, Cameron will have MIA fans asking "saban who?".