I do own DeWill so obviously i'm biased. However, how can you not give your best RB and player 20-25 carries per game? The guy is averaging 5yds per carry yet Fox continually rotates him in and out with Stewart and now Goodsen. I guarantee you there are some unemployed coaches out there looking at this situation thinking "if i'm John Fox, i ride Williams into the ground."
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John Fox's misuse of his RB's is laughable. (1 Viewer)
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I completely agree. I did not watch the game but I did follow the box throughout yesterday and I just don't get how in a close game like that was you don't get D-Will more touches.
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
As much as I hate to say it, this comment seems dead on. And the sentiment goes all the way back to early in the off-season.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
As a Bengals fan I watched the whole thing and while the score was close at 10-7 the play on the field really wasn't. Clausen only through the ball 5-times. The Bengals (correctly) keyed on the run and forced a lot a of 3-and-outs which makes it that much harder to get rhythm on offense. Lots of run into line, run into line, 3rd and long, incomplete, punt sequences.It's easy to ask that they give the guy 25 carries. It's a lot harder when he's getting blanketed and getting only 2 yards a pop. Until Clausen gets hits feet a little more wet, that is what they are going to be facing.-QG
Shutout
Footballguy
I think you have to realize how bad the Panthers are to see what's going on here. There is no threat of a passing game so the RBs are getting pounded everytime they carry. coaches typically get criticized if they overwork a back so maybe Fox is thinking he needs to spread it out to preserve his RBs because its the only (albeit small) chance they have to win. That's a good thought for real life but sucks in FF.
I have DWIL in one league and its killing me too. I haven't started him in two weeks and I don't know when that might change. With all that being said and me thinking I can kind of see the WHY in this, I also wonder "why not"? DWIL is a FA after the season. Ride him into the dirt and let him go. You have enough time/opportunity to see what you have in a Stewart/Goodson combo.
I have DWIL in one league and its killing me too. I haven't started him in two weeks and I don't know when that might change. With all that being said and me thinking I can kind of see the WHY in this, I also wonder "why not"? DWIL is a FA after the season. Ride him into the dirt and let him go. You have enough time/opportunity to see what you have in a Stewart/Goodson combo.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
this is all a part of Fox's plan to tank games and keep DWill and Stewart fresh for 2011 .... so he can implement them into his ultimate dream backfield rotation with Mark Ingram..!!
solorca
Footballguy
He wasn't exactly getting blanketed the entire game. While he did have six rushes at 2 yards or less, he also had three that were 14 yards or more (26, 15, 14). On average, he was getting a 14+ yard rush every three times he touched the ball. He was definitely boom or bust in the game though, with only one rush that was between 2 and 14 yards (one 4 yard rush).
Cawbird
Footballguy
Even if DeAngelo is facing 8-man fronts, he is still averaging 4.2 ypc on the ground.
Getting away from the run is moronic in itself, but when Carolina swithces to a passing game in the 2nd half...................WHY IN THE WORLD DON'T YOU SWING IT OUT TO WILLIAMS AND STEWART???????
What does Williams have as far as receptions this year........2???????
Even the crappy QB's can find the short routes to their RB's.
Getting away from the run is moronic in itself, but when Carolina swithces to a passing game in the 2nd half...................WHY IN THE WORLD DON'T YOU SWING IT OUT TO WILLIAMS AND STEWART???????
What does Williams have as far as receptions this year........2???????
Even the crappy QB's can find the short routes to their RB's.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The play calling, the personnel decisions... it's all been a mystery. The guy is a moe-ron.
Tau837
Footballguy
I didn't see the game, so I looked through the play by play, and here's what it shows for Williams' carries:1262000215144That shows 3 nice carries but a lot of stuffs, too. I assume they generally weren't Williams' fault, but that doesn't help his owners, nor did it help the Carolina offense sustain many drives. It was particularly unfortunate for his fantasy day that his 15 yard run got to the Bengals 1 yard line, at which point Stewart came in for the 1 yard TD run.
Pantherz
Footballguy
Run, run, pass, punt.................................Dang it! Now everybody knows our super secret master plan...
packersfan
Footballguy
The funny thing to me about the Stewart TD is it came on second down. They tried a Claussen pass on first down. I understand the Bengals are thinking run first but you have Willams and Stewart, two very talented RBs, and a rookie QB clearly in over his head and you finally have a chance to score and you throw a pass on first down? I would have given those two RBs (whichever one was on the field) four cracks from the 1 before I would have given Claussen a single pass attempt.
n20
Footballguy
The one-two punch isn't working this year for a million other reasons. I'm thinking after this season there will be a new GM and head coach in CAR. It will be interesting to see if the new regime pays DWilly to stay when there seem to be many teams looking for a long term solution at RB.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Clausen threw the ball 33 times, almost double the handoffs to Stewart and Williams combined. That is not a gameplan that is going to be succesful. The game was absolutely close enough that better play calling could have gotten the Panthers a W. As bad as the Panthers were, the Bengals didn't look like a team that deserved to win either.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Which other NFL coaches do you know more about football than?
Pnishthm
Footballguy
He had 10 carries for 64 yards! Hardly 2 yards a pop! You keep pounding him and wear the defense down and sooner or later he'll bust one for the distance.
Here is an idea...pass him the ball sometimes. Why in the heck is Gooden in there anyways, and why is Williams not catching balls. The guy is electric and they refuse to use him. Fire the OC and whoever makes the personnel decisions. I know alot of you guys love J. Stewart, but he looks terrible in there. He looks slow and disinterested.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
He threw only 5 passes in the first half. They were down 10-0 when they started to open it up a little. It actually moved the ball on the drive where they scored. -QG-QGDesert_Power said:QuizGuy66 said:Clausen threw the ball 33 times, almost double the handoffs to Stewart and Williams combined. That is not a gameplan that is going to be succesful. The game was absolutely close enough that better play calling could have gotten the Panthers a W. As bad as the Panthers were, the Bengals didn't look like a team that deserved to win either.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm a Stewart owner and I'd agree he did not look good yesterday. I thought he looked good in Week 2, however, outside of the failed goal-line run. Williams, though, looked real good in my opinion yesterday. I can't think of a single good reason to explain why he only received 10 carries other than shoddy playcalling. To have Claussen attempting 33 passes in a reasonably close game in his first NFL start is moronic.
Who cares how he got the yards? 6.5 ypc is 6.5 ypc. Nobody questions Chris Johnson after he goes 1,2,2,-2, 56, 11,1,1,2,35. If given the opportunity DeWill could of broke one and made a difference in that game. Fox sucks.
Pantherz
Footballguy
Actually, for me this has been an inside joke with the people at our tailgating spot for years. Since Fox got here, when someone asks me anything about how I think the game will go, I just shrug and say "run, run, pass, punt". The Panthers are less fun than watching paint dry. And now, nothing gets me madder than seeing Goodson in the game. Nothing against Goodson, I just think it's stupid not to get DeAngelo Williams (and Steve Smith for that matter) the ball as many times as you can, in any way that you can. It's just wierd.LOL - c'mon you copied it off of Bob BratkowskiPantherz said:
Does anybody in the media or at press conferences every question Fox about his use, er misuse of his runningbacks?Actually, for me this has been an inside joke with the people at our tailgating spot for years. Since Fox got here, when someone asks me anything about how I think the game will go, I just shrug and say "run, run, pass, punt". The Panthers are less fun than watching paint dry. And now, nothing gets me madder than seeing Goodson in the game. Nothing against Goodson, I just think it's stupid not to get DeAngelo Williams (and Steve Smith for that matter) the ball as many times as you can, in any way that you can. It's just wierd.LOL - c'mon you copied it off of Bob BratkowskiPantherz said:-QG
pantherclub
Footballguy
Fox just gives some vague responses. That is his style. He rarely gives specifics. In fact after the game yesterday a reporter asked who would be starting at QB next week and he didnt commit to anyone. Its really frustrating the way he plays games with the media. I have been the biggest Fox supporter there is and even I can see its time for him to move on. I would love to get Cowher or the def coordinator from philly. Hiring Jeff Davidson as offensive coordinator has to be the biggest WTF hire in Carolina Panther history. Made no sense then or now. Davidson may be overrated as a middle school coach.As a Panther fan I wish they would trade both Steve Smith and DWill and load up on draft picks.Does anybody in the media or at press conferences every question Fox about his use, er misuse of his runningbacks?Actually, for me this has been an inside joke with the people at our tailgating spot for years. Since Fox got here, when someone asks me anything about how I think the game will go, I just shrug and say "run, run, pass, punt". The Panthers are less fun than watching paint dry. And now, nothing gets me madder than seeing Goodson in the game. Nothing against Goodson, I just think it's stupid not to get DeAngelo Williams (and Steve Smith for that matter) the ball as many times as you can, in any way that you can. It's just wierd.LOL - c'mon you copied it off of Bob BratkowskiPantherz said:-QG
No one here mentioned the fact that Goodson fumbled at a critical time, and Stewart fumbled as well, yet Stewart still sat. There is no reason that Goodson should be in the game over either of those guys, but definitely not over Deangelo. This is the worst job I have seen by coaching in a while.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Odds on Bill Cowher coaching the Panthers next season?
He's yet to prove himself as a coordinator and you want to make him a head coach? Wow.Fox just gives some vague responses. That is his style. He rarely gives specifics. In fact after the game yesterday a reporter asked who would be starting at QB next week and he didnt commit to anyone. Its really frustrating the way he plays games with the media. I have been the biggest Fox supporter there is and even I can see its time for him to move on. I would love to get Cowher or the def coordinator from philly. Hiring Jeff Davidson as offensive coordinator has to be the biggest WTF hire in Carolina Panther history. Made no sense then or now. Davidson may be overrated as a middle school coach.As a Panther fan I wish they would trade both Steve Smith and DWill and load up on draft picks.Does anybody in the media or at press conferences every question Fox about his use, er misuse of his runningbacks?Actually, for me this has been an inside joke with the people at our tailgating spot for years. Since Fox got here, when someone asks me anything about how I think the game will go, I just shrug and say "run, run, pass, punt". The Panthers are less fun than watching paint dry. And now, nothing gets me madder than seeing Goodson in the game. Nothing against Goodson, I just think it's stupid not to get DeAngelo Williams (and Steve Smith for that matter) the ball as many times as you can, in any way that you can. It's just wierd.LOL - c'mon you copied it off of Bob BratkowskiPantherz said:-QG
pantherclub
Footballguy
I would say 5-10%. Richardson is not going to spend the 6-10 million its going to take to get him. Plus Cowher will probably want some control of the front office. But Jerry is ill and old and has someone elses ticker so who knows how involved he will be with the Panthers in the next 18 months.
Todem
Footballguy
Until last night it has been the same down here with the Dolphins.Run Run pass punt. Except we have to labor through the Wildcat when we get in the redzone. Nothing more aggravating than wathcing a gimmic formation fail, fail and fail everytime we run it this year when we are rolling with the single back and Henne getting on a roll (last night).But I feel your pain. And you have had a #1 elite WR. We finally landed one after...I don't know 15 years of not having any.Actually, for me this has been an inside joke with the people at our tailgating spot for years. Since Fox got here, when someone asks me anything about how I think the game will go, I just shrug and say "run, run, pass, punt". The Panthers are less fun than watching paint dry. And now, nothing gets me madder than seeing Goodson in the game. Nothing against Goodson, I just think it's stupid not to get DeAngelo Williams (and Steve Smith for that matter) the ball as many times as you can, in any way that you can. It's just wierd.LOL - c'mon you copied it off of Bob BratkowskiPantherz said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
I am not sure what this means? Not proved himself. Is this a philly argument because I think the dude knows his defense and knows how to gameplan. Plus from what I remember from last year there were several teams that wanted him to run their defenses but he stayed in philly. Do philly fans not think he is doing a good job?
Pnishthm
Footballguy
He had 10 carries for 64 yards! Hardly 2 yards a pop! You keep pounding him and wear the defense down and sooner or later he'll bust one for the distance.
As noted about, though, these weren't 6-6-4-5-6 type carries. They were 3 big carries and 7 stuffs. and out of his first 7 carries 6 of them were stuffs for 0, 1 or 2. They tried to established the run but failed early on.
-QG
Who cares how he got the yards? 6.5 ypc is 6.5 ypc. Nobody questions Chris Johnson after he goes 1,2,2,-2, 56, 11,1,1,2,35. If given the opportunity DeWill could of broke one and made a difference in that game. Fox sucks.
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As noted about, though, these weren't 6-6-4-5-6 type carries. They were 3 big carries and 7 stuffs. and out of his first 7 carries 6 of them were stuffs for 0, 1 or 2. They tried to established the run but failed early on.
-QG
Who cares how he got the yards? 6.5 ypc is 6.5 ypc. Nobody questions Chris Johnson after he goes 1,2,2,-2, 56, 11,1,1,2,35. If given the opportunity DeWill could of broke one and made a difference in that game. Fox sucks.
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Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
He's doing it wrong.QuizGuy66 said:
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
lol and I posted it wrong. Clausen only threw the ball 5 times.Ugh - I need more
-QG
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Clifford
Footballguy
Bears are going on a century I think...Until last night it has been the same down here with the Dolphins.Actually, for me this has been an inside joke with the people at our tailgating spot for years. Since Fox got here, when someone asks me anything about how I think the game will go, I just shrug and say "run, run, pass, punt". The Panthers are less fun than watching paint dry. And now, nothing gets me madder than seeing Goodson in the game. Nothing against Goodson, I just think it's stupid not to get DeAngelo Williams (and Steve Smith for that matter) the ball as many times as you can, in any way that you can. It's just wierd.LOL - c'mon you copied it off of Bob BratkowskiPantherz said:-QG
Run Run pass punt. Except we have to labor through the Wildcat when we get in the redzone. Nothing more aggravating than wathcing a gimmic formation fail, fail and fail everytime we run it this year when we are rolling with the single back and Henne getting on a roll (last night).
But I feel your pain. And you have had a #1 elite WR.
We finally landed one after...I don't know 15 years of not having any.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
His D had its best performance in its Week 1 win over the Panthers last year. Your perception is skewed by that. It had another good performance this week. Your perception is also skewed by that.Other times, he has looked completely over his head. Jauron is now on the Eagles staff as secondary coach and when he was hired, it was rumored that he's there as DC-in-waiting in case management determines that McDermott can't cut it at all. So no, I don't think he's on any short lists for HC jobs.
Zero unless a new CBA is in place before silly season.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'd bet even money Cowher would take the job but you are correct a CBA needs to be in place for it to happen.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Rumor is that Bill wants the Giants job.
Chaka
Footballguy
The difference is when CJ gets stuffed on 1st & 2nd down the Titans still manage to convert on 3rd down and keep the drive alive.THIS
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
6.4 YPC is 6.4 YPC. I don't understand where you are going with this.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Didn't read thru the whole thread but everyone with a clue realizes that Fox AND Davidson are idiots...or they are told to take the best RB off the field so as to drive his value down so they can resign DeAngelo cheap. They don't understand that it won't work.
They are not trying to win and it's obivious...or they are totally incompetant..or both. I'm leaning towards both.
Oh yeah...DeAngelo is really out of shape too because every run of 10 yards + puts him over on the sidelines.
They are not trying to win and it's obivious...or they are totally incompetant..or both. I'm leaning towards both.
Oh yeah...DeAngelo is really out of shape too because every run of 10 yards + puts him over on the sidelines.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
While that may be true, why in the world would you want to have to deal with the NY fans and press? In Carolina the press treats you with kid gloves and rarely asks difficult questions. The local beat writers are too busy trying to make friends with the coaches and owners. Its horrible for a fan.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Richardson is not ill.
