the issue is that yard per carry is not a great metric for describing effectiveness. if its 3rd and 10 and you run for 8 yards that is a fail, despite 8ypc being fantastic.
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John Fox's misuse of his RB's is laughable. (1 Viewer)
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Phrenchdude
Footballguy
I may not be a football strategist, but it strikes me as odd when coaches dont call for more screen passes in these situations: get your RB in the open ans awy from the line if the D is stcking them up to force your rookie QB to beat them. And it gives that young QB a safety valve. If you just set up the play so that the screen pass is the 3rd or 4th read, the pocket has the time to collapse three times over and the QB pummeled into the ground before a pass gets off to the RB on the touchline, and even if it does get off, by then the coverage has figured out that this is going to be a dump and the LB and DB are already on the runner.
with 2 runners you can put one behind you and one wider, and keep defenses guessing. Kind of like an inverted wildcat no? at least it gives runners a head start on the behemoth defensive linemen
look at what LT or CJ can do with a screen pass. I'm not saying D-will and J-Stew are at that level but let them try! l;ess risky than trying to force passes to Steve Smith in triple coverage
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with 2 runners you can put one behind you and one wider, and keep defenses guessing. Kind of like an inverted wildcat no? at least it gives runners a head start on the behemoth defensive linemen
look at what LT or CJ can do with a screen pass. I'm not saying D-will and J-Stew are at that level but let them try! l;ess risky than trying to force passes to Steve Smith in triple coverage
*end rant*
-jb-
Footballguy
DeAngelo is currently on pace for 229 carries. No need to panic about his opportunity, as most would agree that is where he would wind up. The offense is horrendous, though, which will limit his TDs and likely his YPC.
Stewart is a different story. He is on pace for 112. That's dumb all around.
Stewart is a different story. He is on pace for 112. That's dumb all around.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
I've got to think that Dallas will be a player in that sweepstakes.
Jerry Lawler
Footballguy
I'm annually baffled by this offense's outright refusal to get the ball to its playmaking RB's in space. The only time they'll throw to the RB is when Goodson is in the game, despite the fact that both Williams and Stewart catch the ball well out of the backfield.When a guy consistently averages what deangelo williams averages per carry it doesn't matter when they get them. There is a reason coaches stick with the run, and eventually guys like Deangelo come up with big plays. If he's a guy that can go to the house on any given play, I don't care that he doesn't on the previous ones. it's the gamebreaking ability that you need out there, deangelo is that back. period.
hamster_13
Footballguy
He had heart surgery not too long ago.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
They aren't going to run it 40 times a game. And with Stewart needing touches (at least 10), and now Goodson proving to be the best 3rd and long option (which they will be in a lot this year), you are looking at 18 touches max on a good day.He didn't get 20-25 carries a game when things were going well. With Stewart there, he won't. Wishful thinking. The only hope for DWill owners is that the offensive line gets healthy and the offense improves as a whole. Even then he is only going to see about 15 carries a game. Just hope he does something with them.ppierce said:
Phrenchdude
Footballguy
i mean clearly it's not as easy as i make it out to be and if there is no blitz, there's a chance Dwill faces 2 or 3LBs... and it cant be systeamtic either and disguised somewhat, but I would at least expct it to be a little more integrated into the game plan...I'm annually baffled by this offense's outright refusal to get the ball to its playmaking RB's in space. The only time they'll throw to the RB is when Goodson is in the game, despite the fact that both Williams and Stewart catch the ball well out of the backfield.
You are pretty smart! Starting to think like a GM. DWill gone after 2010, bring in Ingram w/Stewart. Not a bad plan. Don't think for a minute that someone is not planning ahead. BTW, Steve Smith isn't a bad option. Keep makin' excuses for stupidity. Hard to fix stupid.Wu-banger said:
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
He had a heart transplant well over a year 1/2 ago. He isn't ill.
Chaka
Footballguy
It may seem logical from a cash standpoint but I doubt JJ is going to accept any coach who wants total control over football operations.Doesn't Cowher live in North Carolina? I have heard his name linked with the Panthers since before he left Pittsburgh.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
He made it work with Parcells, did he not?
pantherclub
Footballguy
I havent seen it.The beat writers have no problem slamming Fox and company in their articles.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I dont know how you figure that. He had a heart transplant.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Again, I think Cowher is way to smart to get involved with JJ.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I guess that depends on your definition of ill. The life expectancy of heart transplant patients over 60 is around 5 years. He is 70. Do the math.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
He's already dead?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
link?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Just checked out 2 articles. Not a slam to be found on Fox or the OC. The Panthers are now 4-38 when they run the ball 25 times or fewer. The temptation to throw to Mike Goodson is valid, but DeAngelo Williams averaged 6.4 yards per, on just 10 lonely attempts.I havent seen it.The beat writers have no problem slamming Fox and company in their articles.
Pathetic that they (the coaching staff) don't even know this. THey can't know it becasue otherwise they would be running the ball that many times.
omally
Footballguy
It's there, and often.I havent seen it.The beat writers have no problem slamming Fox and company in their articles.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
There is little chance Fox finishes this season as head coach in my opinion. This season is a wash for Carolina. Hopefully they get their young talent in there to see what they have and write the rest of this season off.
I know the Panthers were hoping to play the hometown card for Cowah...I wonder if that will still work with rumors of the Giants and Cowboys interested.
I know the Panthers were hoping to play the hometown card for Cowah...I wonder if that will still work with rumors of the Giants and Cowboys interested.
Well your opionion is wrong IMO. Foxy finishes the as he's the most qualified coach on the staff. Richardson isn't paying anyone to do the job when Fox is already under contract.
Richardson will not get rid of Fox before the end of the season. Fox has done a tremendous job as a coach in Carolina. Admittedly, this season has started poorly, but this is the youngest team in the NFL and a team that is hamstrung by an owner who refused to go out in free agency and bolster the roster. We also lost a lot of veterans in the offseason. It's a very tough job for Fox, but I know he'll continue to keep this team playing because he always does.And for the record, Cowher is not going to be the next coach. I just can't see it. The fit isn't there.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Why go out and bolster the roster when Fox sits his best players anyway? Seriously, he had DeAngelo and Stewart sittiing on the bench with the game on the line and 1st and goal from the 4 two weeks ago. Who has their 3rd string RB in with the game on the line? DeAngelo averages 6.4 ypc and all he gets is 10 carries in a close game this week? No excuses...Fox is brutal and his time is done!
FavreCo
Footballguy
But Richardson is a cheapass and won't pay a new head coach AND Fox. Fox lasts the season easily. He's comfy in his inabilities as a HC.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Do you guys think it's possible that Fox is now also trying to motivate Tatum Bell?
ThePittbully
Footballguy
In dynasty Id say both backs are good buy lows, but for redraft I wouldn't touch either unless Fox gets fired.
Football Critic
Footballguy
RANDOM...............
Is it me or woud this be the greatest managment team ever?
Owner - Al Davis
GM - AJ Smith
OC - John Fox
DC - Wade Phillips
SIGN ME UP! LOL
...and if we can't get John Fox, give me Norv Turner and we are Superbowl bound.
Is it me or woud this be the greatest managment team ever?
Owner - Al Davis
GM - AJ Smith
OC - John Fox
DC - Wade Phillips
SIGN ME UP! LOL
...and if we can't get John Fox, give me Norv Turner and we are Superbowl bound.
You don't run the ball when you're behind. You run when you're ahead to kill the clock. You tend to win more games when you're ahead than when you're behind.Don't ask me though, ask DeAngelo WilliamsJust checked out 2 articles. Not a slam to be found on Fox or the OC. The Panthers are now 4-38 when they run the ball 25 times or fewer. The temptation to throw to Mike Goodson is valid, but DeAngelo Williams averaged 6.4 yards per, on just 10 lonely attempts.I havent seen it.The beat writers have no problem slamming Fox and company in their articles.
Pathetic that they (the coaching staff) don't even know this. THey can't know it becasue otherwise they would be running the ball that many times.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ak01...ts-2010-nfl-carAs for the '6.4 YPC is 6.4 YPC' guy, unfortunately in football after the 4th down the other team gets the ball. If you get 0 yards on 1st down and 2 yards on 2nd down, it means you have to have to try to pick up 8 or more yards on one play to keep the drive going.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Give me Matt Millen over Smith
Football Critic
Footballguy
True, but I was going with CURRENTLY employed, well at least for the time being.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I offered Harvin/Felix Jones for him in my league. The Williams owner is in last place but I'm still pretty sure I'll get shot down since there hasn't been a single trade made in my league in two years. I need some RB protection with SJax uncertain for this week plus I think Williams will be no worse than a solid RB2 the rest of the way.
BigJim®
Footballguy
No, that is a great run. It was a horrid playcall. HTH
