John Skelton bandwagon (1 Viewer)

[ShaHBucks]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

 

[JamesTheScot]

Skelton is not a good QB, nor is he better than Kevin Kolb. This is all media driving. The Kolb I knew in Philly (and early last season) was winning player of the week in most of his spot starts. He took a couple shots to the head thanks to Levi Brown and has never looked the same. The way the fans and media is treating Kolb he probably holds no value in Arizona. I gave up on Kolb after he didn't do anything vs Minn last year, he just didn't look right. I thought this would be the year to see what type of player he really is, Roberts - Floyd- Fitz is a hell of a receiving core, but he wont make it in Ari the way he gets portrayed on TV.

I don't understand why people think Skelton is any good. When he started last year he was horrible, the Arizona defense happen to turn stellar and so did the special teams. His first two game he went for 4td-2int on 55% passing. Then he threw 7td-12int in the rest of his games played, which probably mean the scouting report is out on him. But he happened to go 6-2 so the fans and media thinks "uhh Skelton - Kolb = wins" so they create a controversy . Just because your team wins doesn't mean you played well. The Rams game they won because of a KO return in OT. The other Rams game he had 0 TD and 2 picks, how do you give a guy credit for winning games like that?

Kolb and Skelton had almost the same amount of work last year. One guy had a better comp%, higher ypa, 2 less td and 6 less ints in less attempts. Somehow he's considered the worse of the two, I don't get it.. And just because you throw the ball hard that doesn't make you Bret Favre.

You really don't have a clue about the AZ fans. We don't give a darn about the wins that Skelton had. We obviously know many of those games could have gone either way.The two things Skelton did was he stood in the pocket and he threw the ball to Fitz. That's why the fans like him. We see the potential in him. We see nothing in Kolb.

This is my point exactly, he's already written off as terrible. Most qb's struggle their first season as a starter, the real indicator is how do adjust in your 2nd year, 3rd year ect... I was watching the last preseason game and Kolb marched the team down the field for a td and looked great, it just so happened the td was a run opposed to Skelton throwing a 3 yd td. The next series he couldn't get his feet set and was getting sacked, even gave up a safety. One play he escaped the blitz and thew a pass on the money to a receiver but he was out of bounds. The other throws he had pressure in his face and threw the ball away, thats better than a turn over or a sack. I think Kollb has something but the media and FANS think he's terrible, he's done in Arizona. Skelton makes horrible decisions. If you'd rather have a guy just throw to Fitz, you have him. But don't forget the Warner days when 3 guys were serious threats. Arizona is close to having that personnel now at wr and TE. Aside from fantasy football I can't fathom why you would just want your qb to not be capable of spreading the ball around.

Funny how you give Kolb a pass for his inexperience but yet have already decided that Skelton isn't any good. Are you going to give Skelton a 2nd or 3rd year starting before you decide how good he is?

 

[JamesTheScot]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

Are you kidding me? Did you see his picks?He looked decent against the prevent and when running a hurry-up to negate the pass rush. Skelton didn't get either of those benefits.Now, Skelton didn't look great. But neither did Kolb when you put things in perspective.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

Are you kidding me? Did you see his picks?He looked decent against the prevent and when running a hurry-up to negate the pass rush. Skelton didn't get either of those benefits.Now, Skelton didn't look great. But neither did Kolb when you put things in perspective.

The interceptions were ######ed but lets not act like Kolb is the more int prone of the two. The other throws were darts all over the field. He's calling auidibles, converting 3rd downs, making 2-3 reads, escaping blitzes ect.. This is not my first time watching Kolb or Skelton, I've just seen more starter quality traits from Kolb and enough bad to say Skelton sux. The only issue I rose was will Kolb get the chance to develop giving the way the media portrays him. He get murdered on TV while bums like Carson Palmer and Blane Gabbert get passes. Skelton doesn't have much to develop, so hell no he wouldn't get to year 2 or 3 as my starting qb.And Fitz was wide open the whole time Skelton was in the game, the highlights they showed of that blew my mind. As soon as Kolb got in Heap, Roberts and Fitz became relevant.

 

[Manster]

watched the 1st half. The Cards offense is bad. That O-line is junk. If they dont get it together, whoever is QB'in is gonna get killed.

 

[Abraham]

Why do we assume kolb is a finished product and Skelton is not? Iirx, neither of them have more the. 10 or 12 starts.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

Are you kidding me? Did you see his picks?He looked decent against the prevent and when running a hurry-up to negate the pass rush. Skelton didn't get either of those benefits.Now, Skelton didn't look great. But neither did Kolb when you put things in perspective.

The interceptions were ######ed but lets not act like Kolb is the more int prone of the two. The other throws were darts all over the field. He's calling auidibles, converting 3rd downs, making 2-3 reads, escaping blitzes ect.. This is not my first time watching Kolb or Skelton, I've just seen more starter quality traits from Kolb and enough bad to say Skelton sux. The only issue I rose was will Kolb get the chance to develop giving the way the media portrays him. He get murdered on TV while bums like Carson Palmer and Blane Gabbert get passes. Skelton doesn't have much to develop, so hell no he wouldn't get to year 2 or 3 as my starting qb.And Fitz was wide open the whole time Skelton was in the game, the highlights they showed of that blew my mind. As soon as Kolb got in Heap, Roberts and Fitz became relevant.

Fitz was open. And when they replayed those screen shots, they also replayed the ones showing Skelton getting sandwiched between DL's. Skelton didn't have time to find him. Neither did Kolb.It wasn't till after Skelton left the game that Arizona faced the prevent in the last 2:00 minutes and they switched to the hurry-up (and made changes at LT and RT) that Kolb was able to find him. I understand it's not convenient for your argument. But it's true. If you watched the game but don't want to acknowledge that, then I suspect that you have made up your mind and are simply ignoring evidence which doesn't support your position. Both guys looked remarkably similar in terms of effectiveness (lack of) and stats (4 of 10 and an pick, IIRC) up until those changes were made. Kolb just so happened to be the guy under center after they were made.But riddle me this: You claim there is this vast media conspiracy to torpedo Kolb. Why? What motive is there behind it? They all just woke up one day and randomly decided to gang up on Kolb? Or was there a meeting where they planned it out?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Is everyone all right? I saw the wreck on the side of the road, and just wanted to make sure nobody suffered any serious injuries.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

what a disaster this QB situation is I feel bad for Larry

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

He also threw two of the worst interceptions I've ever witnessed - and I'm a Jets fan that watches Mark Sanchez every week.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He get murdered on TV while bums like Carson Palmer and Blane Gabbert get passes.

Frankly I don't care who wins the competition. I don't think either are very good in the first place, but the Cardinal's o-line certainly doesn't help either of them, even if they otherwise could manage to be competant - but your over the top defense of Kolb and your fictional media conspiracy is a little strange. I do agree that Kolb is the better QB of the two, but he really isn't very good, as he showed with his chances (after his first two starts in Philly) where he couldn't get the job done even with a very good supporting cast.

 

[Clifford]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

Are you kidding me? Did you see his picks?He looked decent against the prevent and when running a hurry-up to negate the pass rush. Skelton didn't get either of those benefits.Now, Skelton didn't look great. But neither did Kolb when you put things in perspective.

Skelton obviously didn't get the benefit of the OL switch which helped tremendously.

 

[Shutout]

After watching all this unfold, I think the best thing the Cardinals can do is try to be like the Niners and run it a lot more and thorw it a lot less. Would suck for Fitz owners and be nice for the Wells/Williams guys, but in terms of real life, I think they need to consider running it a lot more and playing good defense. This defense keeps improving but they can't reach their potential if they are on the field all night.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

After watching all this unfold, I think the best thing the Cardinals can do is try to be like the Niners and run it a lot more and thorw it a lot less. Would suck for Fitz owners and be nice for the Wells/Williams guys, but in terms of real life, I think they need to consider running it a lot more and playing good defense. This defense keeps improving but they can't reach their potential if they are on the field all night.

With their o-line, there's going to be a lot of 3 and outs going that route. Wells and Williams are talented runners, but on most of the handoffs they were swarmed in the backfield.

 

[Abraham]

I think it's encouraging the kolb did well against the prevent. I expect that to be a defense the team faces often this season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think it's encouraging the kolb did well against the prevent. I expect that to be a defense the team faces often this season.

 

[kutta]

Kolb took this one tonight. Scrambling to his left for a 30 yard dart to Fitz nice

I wouldn't exactly call it a "dart." It was well under thrown. If it was a good pass, Fitz would have walked into the endzone.But I agree with you that Kolb looked better tonight, but it was against the prevent and after they switched up the O-line. Coming out in the 2nd half and throwing that pick was just horrendous though.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Any more jokes for me?

 

[Loan Sharks]

Any more jokes for me?

Yeah, I'll tell it too you in a couple of minutes when Kolb blows the game for us.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Any more jokes for me?

Yeah, I'll tell it too you in a couple of minutes when Kolb blows the game for us.

K

 

[ShaHBucks]

Any more jokes for me?

Yeah, I'll tell it too you in a couple of minutes when Kolb blows the game for us.

No punchline??

 

[ShaHBucks]

Skelton is not a good QB, nor is he better than Kevin Kolb. This is all media driving. The Kolb I knew in Philly (and early last season) was winning player of the week in most of his spot starts. He took a couple shots to the head thanks to Levi Brown and has never looked the same. The way the fans and media is treating Kolb he probably holds no value in Arizona. I gave up on Kolb after he didn't do anything vs Minn last year, he just didn't look right. I thought this would be the year to see what type of player he really is, Roberts - Floyd- Fitz is a hell of a receiving core, but he wont make it in Ari the way he gets portrayed on TV.I don't understand why people think Skelton is any good. When he started last year he was horrible, the Arizona defense happen to turn stellar and so did the special teams. His first two game he went for 4td-2int on 55% passing. Then he threw 7td-12int in the rest of his games played, which probably mean the scouting report is out on him. But he happened to go 6-2 so the fans and media thinks "uhh Skelton - Kolb = wins" so they create a controversy . Just because your team wins doesn't mean you played well. The Rams game they won because of a KO return in OT. The other Rams game he had 0 TD and 2 picks, how do you give a guy credit for winning games like that?Kolb and Skelton had almost the same amount of work last year. One guy had a better comp%, higher ypa, 2 less td and 6 less ints in less attempts. Somehow he's considered the worse of the two, I don't get it.. And just because you throw the ball hard that doesn't make you Bret Favre.

You really don't have a clue about the AZ fans. We don't give a darn about the wins that Skelton had. We obviously know many of those games could have gone either way.The two things Skelton did was he stood in the pocket and he threw the ball to Fitz. That's why the fans like him. We see the potential in him. We see nothing in Kolb.

lmao

 

[ShaHBucks]

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