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[Steelfan7]

I think Mendenhall is overrated, yet he should not be threatened by Dwyer. Dwyer blew it at the combine. When I saw the 8'11 broad jump which is in the range of an offensive lineman I knew he would fall hard. "He doesn't run with the power you would...." 8'11 explains it all for me. Not enough athleticism. I wouldn't bother drafting him as a cuff, he will not unseat Moore.

I would not be surprised if Redman beats him out for roster spot and Dwyer spends his 1st yr on PS.

 

[Godsbrother]

I think Mendenhall is overrated, yet he should not be threatened by Dwyer. Dwyer blew it at the combine. When I saw the 8'11 broad jump which is in the range of an offensive lineman I knew he would fall hard. "He doesn't run with the power you would...." 8'11 explains it all for me. Not enough athleticism. I wouldn't bother drafting him as a cuff, he will not unseat Moore.

I would not be surprised if Redman beats him out for roster spot and Dwyer spends his 1st yr on PS.

There is room enough for both of them. The Steelers typically keep 5 RBs on the active roaster and if they stay true that form:Mendenhall, Moore, Redman, Dwyer and Summers. I think Logan doesn't make it and I am not sure he should count against the RB total even if he does. Justin Vincent and Demetrius Taylor are real longshots. Unless Dwyer completely stinks up the joint he makes the team.

 

[semaj33]

I think Mendenhall is overrated, yet he should not be threatened by Dwyer. Dwyer blew it at the combine. When I saw the 8'11 broad jump which is in the range of an offensive lineman I knew he would fall hard. "He doesn't run with the power you would...." 8'11 explains it all for me. Not enough athleticism. I wouldn't bother drafting him as a cuff, he will not unseat Moore.

I would not be surprised if Redman beats him out for roster spot and Dwyer spends his 1st yr on PS.

There is room enough for both of them. The Steelers typically keep 5 RBs on the active roaster and if they stay true that form:Mendenhall, Moore, Redman, Dwyer and Summers. I think Logan doesn't make it and I am not sure he should count against the RB total even if he does.

Justin Vincent and Demetrius Taylor are real longshots. Unless Dwyer completely stinks up the joint he makes the team.

Perhaps that's why gas prices went down on "The Diesel?"

 

[LTF]

I think Mendenhall is overrated, yet he should not be threatened by Dwyer. Dwyer blew it at the combine. When I saw the 8'11 broad jump which is in the range of an offensive lineman I knew he would fall hard. "He doesn't run with the power you would...." 8'11 explains it all for me. Not enough athleticism. I wouldn't bother drafting him as a cuff, he will not unseat Moore.

I would not be surprised if Redman beats him out for roster spot and Dwyer spends his 1st yr on PS.

There is room enough for both of them. The Steelers typically keep 5 RBs on the active roaster and if they stay true that form:Mendenhall, Moore, Redman, Dwyer and Summers. I think Logan doesn't make it and I am not sure he should count against the RB total even if he does.

Justin Vincent and Demetrius Taylor are real longshots. Unless Dwyer completely stinks up the joint he makes the team.

I've read he played last season around 245, which looks about right given what he physically looked like. Got down to 225 for his pro day after his toe injury had fully healed, which is pretty much where the Steelers want him at.

 

[womb]

Whatever it is that you are saying can change with one Mendy injury. Also, I may not know my facts about this "Mendenhall is a good back in short yardage situations", but I can say that majority of Steelers posters that I have read threads of do not agree with that assessment. Food for thought.

If Mendenhall were to be injured for an extended period, Mewelde Moore would become the bell cow back. He's the only other back on the roster who can be out there all three downs, and while Dwyer would definitely get more of an opportunity to show his stuff, Moore would get the bulk of the carries. As for the Steelers problems in short yardage last year, that's a bit of a misnomer. First off, NFL teams simply don't run the ball on third down unless it's from 3rd and 2 and in. On 3rd and 3, NFL teams across the board passed the ball in those situations 81% of the time last season.

The Steelers actually converted 6 of 7 4th and shorts on the season (all from a yard or more out). They had 7 carries on the year on either first or second down from out to 2 yards from the opponents endzone, scored on all 7 of those carries. If we include those two situations to the rest of the possible short yardage situations, the Steelers were actually fifth in the NFL. So I do think it's a bit misleading to just say the Steelers struggled in short yardage last season. More of this can be found here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-poi...d-short-yardage Their main struggles came as they were approaching the red zone, as well as in long goal to go situations (8 or more yards). Some of that falls on the play calling, some of that also falls on guys simply dropping potential TD passes (Ward, Mendenhall, Miller, Holmes, and Wallace, not to mention Limas Sweed dropping a TD at Cincinnati) were all guilty of this at various times throughout the season. Guys just didn't execute in goal line situations.

I read the article. I will provide data, hijack the thread a little, but will come back to the point.The article and the comments thereafter indicate how statistics can be tweaked, or used as pleased.

Also I should further indicate that though it is common notion that we do use percentages for every single data set, it is a misleading tool when the data is few. As an example, Big Ben passed to Mendenhall twice in what the article defines as 3rd and short or 4th down conversions. One was a completed pass and the other one was not. I think it would be a mistake to deduct that Mendenhall successfully converted 50% of those passes last year, because the 50% number will stick for future reference.

Here is all the data that I have compiled from play-by-plays of each game of Steelers in 2009. The data contains all 3-1, 3-2 plays as well as all 4-1 and 4-2 plays that were not punts or field goals. There aggregate total for such plays is 50.

Week Position Action1 3-1-TEN45 (10:37) W.Parker right guard to TEN 45 for no gain (S.Tulloch, K.Vanden Bosch).1 3-1-TEN9 (3:46) M.Moore right guard to TEN 9 for no gain (W.Hayes).1 4-1-TEN9 (3:02) (No Huddle) PENALTY on PIT-B.Roethlisberger, Delay of Game,1 3-1-TEN48 (12:02) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to S.Holmes to TEN 37 for 11 yards (N.Harper).1 3-2-TEN22 (9:01) B.Roethlisberger sacked at TEN 41 for -19 yards (J.Jones).1 3-2-PIT13 (11:39) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to H.Miller to PIT 21 for 8 yards (D.Thornton).2 3-1-PIT40 (10:52) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 31 for -9 yards (A.Brown).2 4-1-CHI1 (5:02) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Spaeth for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN [A.Adams].2 3-2-CHI25 (3:29) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep left to S.Holmes.3 3-1-CIN1 (7:40) W.Parker left tackle to CIN 1 for no gain (R.Williams; J.Fanene).3 3-2-CIN33 (1:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Wallace to CIN 27 for 6 yards (R.Williams, J.Joseph).3 3-2-PIT33 (4:00) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to H.Miller to PIT 37 for 4 yards (Dh.Jones).3 3-2-PIT45 (2:00) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to H.Ward to CIN 41 for 14 yards (C.Crocker).4 3-1-PIT30 (6:54) R.Mendenhall left tackle to PIT 30 for no gain (J.Cesaire; S.Cooper).4 4-1-PIT30 (6:23) (Run formation) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to PIT 33 for 3 yards (L.Castillo; A.Boone).4 3-1-SD28 (1:58) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to SD 26 for 2 yards (B.Siler; T.Dobbins).5 3-2-PIT47 (6:54) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to M.Moore to DET 47 for 6 yards (L.Foote).6 3-1-CLE14 (1:19) R.Mendenhall right guard to CLV 14 for no gain (E.Barton; B.McDonald).6 4-1-CLE14 35) (No Huddle) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to CLV 13 for 1 yard (S.Rogers).6 3-1-CLE42 (8:45) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to R.Mendenhall to CLV 40 for 2 yards (E.Barton).7 3-1-PIT32 (1:05) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Moore left end to PIT 38 for 6 yards (T.Johnson; E.Henderson).7 3-1-MIN18 (12:29) B.Roethlisberger scrambles left end to MIN 16 for 2 yards (B.Sapp).7 3-2-PIT31 (3:13) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short left to S.Holmes.7 3-2-PIT31 (10:49) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep middle to H.Ward (K.Paymah).8 BYE 9 3-2-PIT31 (5:42) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Wallace pushed ob at PIT 42 for 11 yards (A.Goodman).10 3-1-CIN12 (14:04) R.Mendenhall right guard to CIN 12 for no gain (P.Sims, D.Peko). Official measurement.10 4-1-CIN12 (13:35) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to CIN 11 for 1 yard (D.Peko; R.Geathers).10 3-1-CIN39 (9:03) M.Moore left tackle to CIN 27 for 12 yards (C.Ndukwe, L.Hall).11 3-1-PIT29 (9:33) R.Mendenhall left tackle to PIT 29 for no gain (T.Hali).11 3-1-KC18 (10:04) R.Mendenhall up the middle to KC 9 for 9 yards (J.McGraw).11 4-1-KC26 (1:02) R.Mendenhall left tackle to KC 22 for 4 yards (J.McGraw).11 3-2-KC39 (4:47) (Shotgun) M.Moore up the middle to KC 35 for 4 yards (J.Belcher, T.Hali).11 3-2-KC35 (10:43) M.Moore right end to KC 38 for -3 yards (J.Belcher).12 3-1-PIT35 (1:28) W.Parker right guard to PIT 37 for 2 yards (J.McClain, J.Johnson).12 3-1-BAL45 (10:16) D.Dixon up the middle to BLT 43 for 2 yards (K.Gregg, H.Ngata).12 3-1-PIT32 (13:36) D.Dixon up the middle to PIT 33 for 1 yard (D.Landry).13 3-1-OAK5 (1:56) R.Mendenhall up the middle to OAK 5 for no gain (S.Williams, G.Warren). Official measurement.13 4-1-OAK5 (1:28) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to OAK 5 for no gain (S.Williams; R.Seymour).13 3-1-PIT29 (9:51) R.Mendenhall up the middle to PIT 33 for 4 yards (R.Seymour; T.Branch).13 3-1-OAK49 (4:05) R.Mendenhall right guard to OAK 47 for 2 yards (K.Morrison; T.Branch). 14 3-1-PIT32 (3:13) R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 32 for no gain (D.Bowens). Time out for a measurement14 4-1-PIT32 (2:52) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to PIT 34 for 2 yards (C.Williams, R.Smith).14 3-1-PIT24 (10:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 15 for -9 yards (C.Williams).14 3-1-PIT21 (13:27) (Shotgun) R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 25 for 4 yards (B.McDonald).14 3-1-PIT41 (4:18) R.Mendenhall right guard to PIT 46 for 5 yards (M.Benard, M.Adams).16 3-2-PIT35 (7:55) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to M.Wallace to BLT 39 for 26 yards (D.Foxworth; D.Landry).16 3-2-BAL24 44) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to S.Holmes for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 17 3-1-MIA10 (9:34) R.Mendenhall right guard to MIA 7 for 3 yards (K.Langford).17 4-1-PIT42 (2:06) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to PIT 44 for 2 yards (K.Langford).17 3-2-MIA3 (14:07) R.Foster reported in as eligible. B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short right to R.Mendenhall.I will give that percentage figure at the end to compare apples with apples, though I have aforementioned that it is misleading when the bottom line everything included is on 50 plays.Big Ben got sacked 3 times and Steelers delayed the game on a 4th down once. I will not classify them as run or pass plays and do not know if they should be in the dataset. I am sure they change percentages if classified one way or taken out. I just presented them.

From a wording point, moving the chains translates to success, and not doing so translates to failure in the following remarks

01 - Steelers were successful 32 times out of 50. (64%)

02 - Of these 32 successful plays 21 were RUN plays. (66%)

03 - Steelers chose to RUN the ball 31 times out of 50. (62%)

04 - Steelers chose to PASS the ball 19 times out of 50. (38%)

05 - Steelers chose to invlove Mendenhall 15 times out of 50 in ALL plays. (30%)

06 - Steelers chose to involve Mendenhall 13 times out of 31 in RUN plays. (42%)

07 - Mendenhall was successful 7 times out of 13 RUN plays he was involved in. (54%)

08 - Mendenhall was successful 1 time out of 2 PASS plays he was involved in. (50%)

09 - Mendenhall was was involved in 7 times out of 21 successful RUN plays. (33%)

10 - Mendenhall was involved in 6 times out of 10 failed RUN plays. (60%)

11 - Steelers chose an offensive play for a 4th down 7 times from this set and all were 4-1 situations.

12 - Steelers was successful 6 times out of 7 of the 4th down plays from 4-1 situations.

13 - Big Ben was involved in 6, and Mendenhall was involved in 1 out of the 7 of the 4th down plays from 4-1 situations.

14 - Mendenhall was successful 1 time out of 1 of the 4th down plays from 4-1 situations. he was involved in. (100%)

A few simple conclusions about the article in the quote and the argument that builds on it.

01 - Yes the Steelers were successful 6 times out of 7 at 4-1 situations and they ran the ball all those times BUT they did not choose to go with Mendenhall.

02 - Only a third of RUN plays involved Mendenhall for 3rd & 4th and short situations even though he was the primary ball carrier.

03 - When Steelers chose a RUN play, they were successful 66% of the time, Mendenhall was successful 54% of the time.

04 - When Steelers chose a RUN play, 60% of their failed RUNs came from Mendenhall.

In brief, I look at the same data through play by play, and all I see is that Steelers did not put their trust in Mendenhall for those situations for RUN plays; Mendenhall brought their percentage down when they did and increased the number of times they failed to move the chains.

Nothing here tells me that he is their short yardage guy. It just tells me that Steelers were successful with the run, but more so when they did not choose to go with Mendenhall which seems to coincide with observational posts from Steelers fans.

 

[Nero]

Even so, he will still suck less than Dwyer.

 

[Brothers Mayhem]

Well thought out statement - I'm convinced.

 

[sholditch]

/thread

 

[Steelfan7]

-- Jonathan Dwyer Disappointing --Sun Aug 8, 2010 --from FFMastermind.comThe Post Gazette reports the Steelers were hoping that rookie RB Jonathan Dwyer would boost the running game, but after the first week of training camp, there has been nothing but disappointment. The coaching staff was surprised when Dwyer reported much heavier than what they saw during his workouts in the spring. They list him as 5-11, 229. Then, he injured a hamstring the first day of camp and did not go through a full practice until Friday night. Dwyer went up against rookie LB Thaddeus Gibson in a renowned blocking drill called backs on 'backers. Dwyer whiffed on his attempt to block Gibson. It was someone else's turn to go next but HC Mike Tomlin called for Dwyer and Gibson to do it again. And then again. And then again. Of the other three times, two were draws and Dwyer neatly guided Gibson to the outside the final time. Several minutes later, however, during a soft goal-line drill, running backs coach Kirby Wilson chewed out Dwyer for something else. When Dwyer came off the field after that, he slammed his helmet on the ground in disgust, a feeling likely matched by his coaches. Asked after Friday night's practice why Dwyer went four consecutive times in the backs on 'backers drill, Tomlin replied, "That's makeup reps. He still has a ways to go."

 

[Kenny Powers]

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[Godsbrother]

-- Jonathan Dwyer Disappointing --Sun Aug 8, 2010 --from FFMastermind.comThe Post Gazette reports the Steelers were hoping that rookie RB Jonathan Dwyer would boost the running game, but after the first week of training camp, there has been nothing but disappointment. The coaching staff was surprised when Dwyer reported much heavier than what they saw during his workouts in the spring. They list him as 5-11, 229. Then, he injured a hamstring the first day of camp and did not go through a full practice until Friday night. Dwyer went up against rookie LB Thaddeus Gibson in a renowned blocking drill called backs on 'backers. Dwyer whiffed on his attempt to block Gibson. It was someone else's turn to go next but HC Mike Tomlin called for Dwyer and Gibson to do it again. And then again. And then again. Of the other three times, two were draws and Dwyer neatly guided Gibson to the outside the final time. Several minutes later, however, during a soft goal-line drill, running backs coach Kirby Wilson chewed out Dwyer for something else. When Dwyer came off the field after that, he slammed his helmet on the ground in disgust, a feeling likely matched by his coaches. Asked after Friday night's practice why Dwyer went four consecutive times in the backs on 'backers drill, Tomlin replied, "That's makeup reps. He still has a ways to go."

Not great to hear but don't make too much out of it. The Steelers were pretty disappointed in Mendenhall as recently as last season before he finally came around. I think any conclusions made on Dwyer after his first week in an NFL camp are premature.

 

[Fighting Noles]

Yes but Mendy was a 1st RD pick & not a guy who freefell all the way to the 6th....Dwyer could easily bust & contribute little with what they have invested in him.

 

[Godsbrother]

True. My point was that it is too early to pass judgement on any rookie after the first week of camp.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Dwyer is definitely getting leaned on hard since he's been back from the hamstring. He did show up overweight, which is contributing to early struggles. He was getting extra reps to play "catchup" (per Tomlin) and showed some good stuff in backs-on-backers, but he had to pulled from 11-on-11s and apparently ran under the bleachers to puke. One scout said he should still be ok as the #3 b/c Red is not a special teams contributor and he is cutting back every single run instead of hitting the designed hole. Still, if Dwyer dogs it or gets hurt again, he might be PS or even cut material if they like someone another team lets go.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I don't see how "Rookie needs to work on blocking" is a big story. I doubt they would be giving him the amount of attention and reps described if they weren't expecting him to be around.

 

[Steelfan7]

Dwyer is definitely getting leaned on hard since he's been back from the hamstring. He did show up overweight, which is contributing to early struggles. He was getting extra reps to play "catchup" (per Tomlin) and showed some good stuff in backs-on-backers, but he had to pulled from 11-on-11s and apparently ran under the bleachers to puke. One scout said he should still be ok as the #3 b/c Red is not a special teams contributor and he is cutting back every single run instead of hitting the designed hole. Still, if Dwyer dogs it or gets hurt again, he might be PS or even cut material if they like someone another team lets go.

I've read the opposite. I've read where he has totally whiffed sometimes on the backs vs backers drill.

 

[Steelfan7]

I don't see how "Rookie needs to work on blocking" is a big story. I doubt they would be giving him the amount of attention and reps described if they weren't expecting him to be around.

Redman last yr in camp and preseason got a lot of work and made the PS. They are giving Dwyer work to evaluate him, especially since he's been hurt first week of camp. Nothing to do with who they are keeping. It's an evaluation process.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Dwyer is definitely getting leaned on hard since he's been back from the hamstring. He did show up overweight, which is contributing to early struggles. He was getting extra reps to play "catchup" (per Tomlin) and showed some good stuff in backs-on-backers, but he had to pulled from 11-on-11s and apparently ran under the bleachers to puke. One scout said he should still be ok as the #3 b/c Red is not a special teams contributor and he is cutting back every single run instead of hitting the designed hole. Still, if Dwyer dogs it or gets hurt again, he might be PS or even cut material if they like someone another team lets go.

I've read the opposite. I've read where he has totally whiffed sometimes on the backs vs backers drill.

He went 2-for-4 vs Gibson, and any time the O wins backs on backers, thats a big win, drill favors rusher

 

[Steelfan7]

Dwyer 1st preseason stats 6 carries for 8 yds. He looked very very slow. I don't believe he will make the final cuts. If he doesn't start showing something he might not even make the PS.

 

[sgtrobo]

yeah, he was downright woeful. He looked like Flozell Adams did. Difference being that Flo isn't a rookie battling for a position on an NFL roster

 

[Alluro]

Lenwhale 2.0? Or is that too disrespectful to Mr. White?

 

[Balco]

Dwyer 1st preseason stats 6 carries for 8 yds. He looked very very slow. I don't believe he will make the final cuts. If he doesn't start showing something he might not even make the PS.

I am one of the biggest Dwyer supporters on this board, but I agree with this. When you are a 6th round pick, you better come to camp in shape, and work your butt off. Looks like Dwyer didn't do either.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Wow. And to think a lot of Charger fans wanted us to draft a DT in the first and grab this guy in the 2nd to be our running back of the future. I'm happy they're only fans.

 

[loose circuits]

I think Mendenhall is overrated, yet he should not be threatened by Dwyer. Dwyer blew it at the combine. When I saw the 8'11 broad jump which is in the range of an offensive lineman I knew he would fall hard. "He doesn't run with the power you would...." 8'11 explains it all for me. Not enough athleticism. I wouldn't bother drafting him as a cuff, he will not unseat Moore.

I would not be surprised if Redman beats him out for roster spot and Dwyer spends his 1st yr on PS.

looking more and more likely isn't it...

 

[sgtrobo]

Dwyer got ripped today for screwing off in practice. He's injured and instead of paying attention and focusing on what he's supposed to be learning, he was busy talking and screwing off

ridiculous.

from Jim Wexall (dude who covers the Steelers for scout.com)

http://pit.scout.com/2/993436.html

Dwyer has become a source of frustration not only because of the injuries. His demeanor throughout practice was that of a ballboy who’d rather chat, poke and play with others than pay attention to what’s going on.

 

[TitanicHornet]

Dwyer got ripped today for screwing off in practice. He's injured and instead of paying attention and focusing on what he's supposed to be learning, he was busy talking and screwing off

ridiculous.

from Jim Wexall (dude who covers the Steelers for scout.com)

http://pit.scout.com/2/993436.html

Dwyer has become a source of frustration not only because of the injuries. His demeanor throughout practice was that of a ballboy who’d rather chat, poke and play with others than pay attention to what’s going on.

Theres your fast track to being cut.

 

[Godsbrother]

Normally I would remind everyone that it is only his first preseason game and that he was playing with the Steelers 3rd string o-line but he did look slow. I still wouldn't write him off yet but if he is screwing around in camp he is toast and may not even be signed to the practice team.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Normally I would remind everyone that it is only his first preseason game and that he was playing with the Steelers 3rd string o-line but he did look slow. I still wouldn't write him off yet but if he is screwing around in camp he is toast and may not even be signed to the practice team.

I'll start by acknowledging that this is PURE speculation. But...Even with the bad combine performance some team should have taken a shot on Dwyer early in the draft based on his incredible production. I mean "should" in terms of how things have happened in past drafts. Guys with insane college years might slip to the 2nd-4th, but they typically do get drafted pretty early. Onterrio Smith got booted off his college team for habitual pot smoking (IIRC), wasn't nearly as good in college as Dwyer but still got drafted in the 4th round. That's just one example.The fact that all 32 teams passed on him five times suggested (to me at least) that there was something way more concerning to them than the poor conditioning, and I'm guessing based on the post draft rumors of ADD prescription meds and now these reports that it's a pretty serious learning or attention disorder. IMO the odds are that he'll be out of the league in a year or two.

 

[sgtrobo]

IMO the odds are that he'll be out of the league in a year or two.

solid analysis. definitely worth a shot in the 6th round, but I'm betting similarly, that he gets cut, gets a few chances with some other teams, and then moves on with his life's work

 

[Alluro]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

 

[pittstownkiller]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

I've been under the belief, that there is a good chance, that Dwyer won't even survive the roster cuts.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

It's unfortunate but he just doesn't truly care about football and doesn't stay in shape. I don't expect him to last much longer in Pittsburgh.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

I've been under the belief, that there is a good chance, that Dwyer won't even survive the roster cuts.

He hasn't dont anything to stay on the roster through the first round of cuts, but he hadn't at this point last year either. When I asked Ed Bouchette whether Baron Batch's injury would increase Dwyer's chance of making the team, he said yes - Dwyer or Clay should get the last RB spot now.

 

[pghrob]

Unfortunately, beyond Mendy, Redman and MeMo the Steelers are appearing thin at RB. Clay and Dwyer are bigger backs who for whatever reason seem to be underachievers who need a spark. Surprised coach Tomlin and guys like Hines couldn't bring in a Steeler alumnus like Jerome Bettis to see if he can spark the youngsters. They may have talent, just no skill- ala the freebagel (sp?) post in the Cris Carter WR thread.

 

[Alluro]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

I've been under the belief, that there is a good chance, that Dwyer won't even survive the roster cuts.

He hasn't dont anything to stay on the roster through the first round of cuts, but he hadn't at this point last year either. When I asked Ed Bouchette whether Baron Batch's injury would increase Dwyer's chance of making the team, he said yes - Dwyer or Clay should get the last RB spot now.

Bloom, do you like Dwyer's dynasty chances more if he's cut from the steel city and free to find another team? I'm thinking reuniting with Chan Gailey in Buffalo could be a good fit. Fred Jackson is getting long in the tooth and the jury is out on whether Spiller can be a workhorse.

 

[pghrob]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

I've been under the belief, that there is a good chance, that Dwyer won't even survive the roster cuts.

He hasn't dont anything to stay on the roster through the first round of cuts, but he hadn't at this point last year either. When I asked Ed Bouchette whether Baron Batch's injury would increase Dwyer's chance of making the team, he said yes - Dwyer or Clay should get the last RB spot now.

Bloom, do you like Dwyer's dynasty chances more if he's cut from the steel city and free to find another team? I'm thinking reuniting with Chan Gailey in Buffalo could be a good fit. Fred Jackson is getting long in the tooth and the jury is out on whether Spiller can be a workhorse.

I can't speak for Bloom, but that is a good call on your part if the Steelers cut him. Fred is getting older, and Buffalo has a slightly more promising back for the future already on their roster in Johnny White. That noted, adding another young back like Dwyer, who is known by the HC from their days together at GA Tech could spark a very positive 3-way competition between Spiller and them.

 

[loose circuits]

Just not sure how people have hope for Dwyer. To me it looked like he was running in sand or slow motion

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

5 carries for 7 yds? Is anyone else still holding out hope?

I've been under the belief, that there is a good chance, that Dwyer won't even survive the roster cuts.

He hasn't dont anything to stay on the roster through the first round of cuts, but he hadn't at this point last year either. When I asked Ed Bouchette whether Baron Batch's injury would increase Dwyer's chance of making the team, he said yes - Dwyer or Clay should get the last RB spot now.

Bloom, do you like Dwyer's dynasty chances more if he's cut from the steel city and free to find another team? I'm thinking reuniting with Chan Gailey in Buffalo could be a good fit. Fred Jackson is getting long in the tooth and the jury is out on whether Spiller can be a workhorse.

I can't speak for Bloom, but that is a good call on your part if the Steelers cut him. Fred is getting older, and Buffalo has a slightly more promising back for the future already on their roster in Johnny White. That noted, adding another young back like Dwyer, who is known by the HC from their days together at GA Tech could spark a very positive 3-way competition between Spiller and them.

The Bills are looking to the future and they have shown an inclination to reunite Gailey with players he has made successful in the past (Thigpen), so its a good thought. That being said, if he hasn't gotten the wake up call by now...