Jonathan Stewart (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

 

[EBF]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

 

[JAA]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

Are you including Schmitt and Hester? Go ahead and post your figures and your stats so I can get a chuckle

 

[KoolKat]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

4.4+ is not slow by any stretch of the imagination, especially when you are Stewart's size. I am starting to like him more than McFadden, and definitely have him ahead of Mendenhall.

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

Adrian Peterson? Or is it you dont want to use DMac's playing weight and use his combine 4.33 weight?

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

PS - waiting for your list

 

[JAA]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

Why didnt you grade Ronnie Brown?

 

[JimboJim]

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

It's also pretty amazing that among RBs, he finished with the following rankings in his drills:

40 Yard Dash - 13th (4.48)

Bench - 3rd (28 reps)

Vertical - 2nd (36.5)

Broad Jump - 3rd (10.8)

... on a side note, Hart running a 4.67 is going to kill his stock.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Here is to hoping that none of the NFL teams with picks 1-17 read this forum.

I am a season ticket holder for Oregon and I sure hope my favorite team (Houston) takes him at #18. Then somehow Houston makes a trade for DeAngelo Hall.

Okay so now im dreaming and most likely Houston takes a CB and maybe Ray Rice in the 2nd round.

I'd be very happy with Ray Rice, too. Add me to his fan club when they open shop

I think Ray Rice would make a Great COP back to The Burner

 

[EBF]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.

Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

Are you including Schmitt and Hester? Go ahead and post your figures and your stats so I can get a chuckle

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performersFull results haven't been posted yet, but here you can see the top 10.

1. Johnson, Chris 4.24

2. McFadden, Darren 4.33

3. Alridge, Anthony 4.36

4. Charles, Jamaal 4.38

5. Simpson, Chad 4.42

6. Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45

7. Forte, Matt 4.46

8. Jones, Felix 4.47

9. Parmele, Jalen 4.47

10. Stewart, Jonathan 4.48

And here are all the other RBs who were invited to the combine:

Bernard, Yvenson RB 5'9" 205 Oregon State

Boyd, Cory RB 6'0" 218 South Carolina

Brown, Thomas RB 5'9" 198 Georgia

Caulcrick, Jehuu RB 6'0" 258 Michigan State

Choice, Tashard RB 5'11" 210 Georgia Tech

Dawson, Calvin RB 5'9" 205 Louisiana-Monroe

Felton, Jerome FB 6'0" 246 Furman

Forsett, Justin RB 5'8" 190 California

Green-Ellis, BenJarvus RB 5'11" 220 Mississippi

Hart, Mike RB 5'9" 195 Michigan

Hester, Jacob FB 5'11" 230 LSU

Hilliard, Lex RB 5'11" 228 Montana

Hillis, Peyton FB 6'1" 240 Arkansas

Little, Rafael RB 5'9" 194 Kentucky

Lumpkin, Kregg RB 6'0" 224 Georgia

McRae, Kalvin RB 5'9" 208 Ohio

Morgan, DaJuan RB 6'1" 205 North Carolina State

Omon, Xavier RB 5'11" 226 Northwest Missouri State

Patrick, Allen RB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma

Rice, Ray RB 5'9" 195 Rutgers

Savage, Dantrell RB 5'8" 187 Oklahoma State

Schmitt, Owen FB 6'2" 250 West Virginia

Slaton, Steve RB 5'10" 195 West Virginia

Smith, Kevin RB 6'1" 212 Central Florida

Stewart, Carl RB 6'2" 228 Auburn

Thomas, Marcus RB 6'2" 215 Texas-El Paso

Torain, Ryan RB 6'0" 215 Arizona State

Washington, Chauncey RB 6'0" 215 Southern Cal

So Stewart ran a slower time than 9 RBs and a faster time than 28 RBs. 10th out of 38 puts him in the top 30%. Even if you take out the fullbacks, he still ran faster than most of the RB prospects. So can you explain to us how he "ran one of the slowest times of the RBs?" Maybe I'm mistaken, but if you run better than most of the guys at your position then I don't think you've run one of the worst times at your position.

 

[JAA]

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

only player close IMO would be Thomas Jones. Can you name some closer?

 

[yellowdog]

How about this:Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

If by room for improvement, you really mean Stewart already has the perfect body for a stud RB, I agree.

 

[EBF]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

Adrian Peterson? Or is it you dont want to use DMac's playing weight and use his combine 4.33 weight?

Close, but Peterson was 6 pounds heavier. And Peterson is light by NFL standards.

 

[JAA]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.

Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

Are you including Schmitt and Hester? Go ahead and post your figures and your stats so I can get a chuckle

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performersFull results haven't been posted yet, but here you can see the top 10.

1. Johnson, Chris 4.24

2. McFadden, Darren 4.33

3. Alridge, Anthony 4.36

4. Charles, Jamaal 4.38

5. Simpson, Chad 4.42

6. Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45

7. Forte, Matt 4.46

8. Jones, Felix 4.47

9. Parmele, Jalen 4.47

10. Stewart, Jonathan 4.48

And here are all the other RBs who were invited to the combine:

Bernard, Yvenson RB 5'9" 205 Oregon State

Boyd, Cory RB 6'0" 218 South Carolina

Brown, Thomas RB 5'9" 198 Georgia

Caulcrick, Jehuu RB 6'0" 258 Michigan State

Choice, Tashard RB 5'11" 210 Georgia Tech

Dawson, Calvin RB 5'9" 205 Louisiana-Monroe

Felton, Jerome FB 6'0" 246 Furman

Forsett, Justin RB 5'8" 190 California

Green-Ellis, BenJarvus RB 5'11" 220 Mississippi

Hart, Mike RB 5'9" 195 Michigan

Hester, Jacob FB 5'11" 230 LSU

Hilliard, Lex RB 5'11" 228 Montana

Hillis, Peyton FB 6'1" 240 Arkansas

Little, Rafael RB 5'9" 194 Kentucky

Lumpkin, Kregg RB 6'0" 224 Georgia

McRae, Kalvin RB 5'9" 208 Ohio

Morgan, DaJuan RB 6'1" 205 North Carolina State

Omon, Xavier RB 5'11" 226 Northwest Missouri State

Patrick, Allen RB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma

Rice, Ray RB 5'9" 195 Rutgers

Savage, Dantrell RB 5'8" 187 Oklahoma State

Schmitt, Owen FB 6'2" 250 West Virginia

Slaton, Steve RB 5'10" 195 West Virginia

Smith, Kevin RB 6'1" 212 Central Florida

Stewart, Carl RB 6'2" 228 Auburn

Thomas, Marcus RB 6'2" 215 Texas-El Paso

Torain, Ryan RB 6'0" 215 Arizona State

Washington, Chauncey RB 6'0" 215 Southern Cal

So Stewart ran a slower time than 9 RBs and a faster time than 28 RBs. 10th out of 38 puts him in the top 30%. Even if you take out the fullbacks, he still ran faster than most of the RB prospects. So can you explain to us how he "ran one of the slower times of the RBs?" Maybe I'm mistaken, but if you run better than most of the guys at your position then I don't think you've run one of the worst times at your position.

So your basing this on "incomplete results"? Do you think he will be in the top 10 when the "final results" are posted? Hint: No

 

[ImTheScientist]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/11...in/photostream/ <--- from another angle

 

[JAA]

How about this:Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

If by room for improvement, you really mean Stewart already has the perfect body for a stud RB, I agree.

Do you think AP, LT2, Westbrook, etc were 'maxed out' when they entered the NFL? How about Emmitt Smith? Terrell Davis?

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

Adrian Peterson? Or is it you dont want to use DMac's playing weight and use his combine 4.33 weight?

Close, but Peterson was 6 pounds heavier. And Peterson is light by NFL standards.

So ... within 5% not satisfactory for you? Are you admitting that I found a 'top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions'?How about your list?

 

[KellysHeroes]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/12...57600575317473/

looks normal to me

 

[yellowdog]

How about this:Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

If by room for improvement, you really mean Stewart already has the perfect body for a stud RB, I agree.

Do you think AP, LT2, Westbrook, etc were 'maxed out' when they entered the NFL? How about Emmitt Smith? Terrell Davis?

I guess I just don't understand your point. If your knock on Stewart is that his body can't get any more NFL ready, I would have to say, that's not really a knock.

 

[ImTheScientist]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/12...57600575317473/

looks normal to me

Really?? Looks like my legs.Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/11...in/photostream/ <--- from another angle

 

[JAA]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

, but I gotta here. Genetics? Are you serious? We can agree to disagree

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

since when are MJD and famous Amos a rock solid 235LB's? u must be going off the stupid BMI comparison's. the BMI may be similar in range but Stewart is a much Bigger/thicker build. the difference being MJD/Amos never were/will be considered everydown RB's where Stewart will be

 

[EBF]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.

Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

Are you including Schmitt and Hester? Go ahead and post your figures and your stats so I can get a chuckle

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performersFull results haven't been posted yet, but here you can see the top 10.

1. Johnson, Chris 4.24

2. McFadden, Darren 4.33

3. Alridge, Anthony 4.36

4. Charles, Jamaal 4.38

5. Simpson, Chad 4.42

6. Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45

7. Forte, Matt 4.46

8. Jones, Felix 4.47

9. Parmele, Jalen 4.47

10. Stewart, Jonathan 4.48

And here are all the other RBs who were invited to the combine:

Bernard, Yvenson RB 5'9" 205 Oregon State

Boyd, Cory RB 6'0" 218 South Carolina

Brown, Thomas RB 5'9" 198 Georgia

Caulcrick, Jehuu RB 6'0" 258 Michigan State

Choice, Tashard RB 5'11" 210 Georgia Tech

Dawson, Calvin RB 5'9" 205 Louisiana-Monroe

Felton, Jerome FB 6'0" 246 Furman

Forsett, Justin RB 5'8" 190 California

Green-Ellis, BenJarvus RB 5'11" 220 Mississippi

Hart, Mike RB 5'9" 195 Michigan

Hester, Jacob FB 5'11" 230 LSU

Hilliard, Lex RB 5'11" 228 Montana

Hillis, Peyton FB 6'1" 240 Arkansas

Little, Rafael RB 5'9" 194 Kentucky

Lumpkin, Kregg RB 6'0" 224 Georgia

McRae, Kalvin RB 5'9" 208 Ohio

Morgan, DaJuan RB 6'1" 205 North Carolina State

Omon, Xavier RB 5'11" 226 Northwest Missouri State

Patrick, Allen RB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma

Rice, Ray RB 5'9" 195 Rutgers

Savage, Dantrell RB 5'8" 187 Oklahoma State

Schmitt, Owen FB 6'2" 250 West Virginia

Slaton, Steve RB 5'10" 195 West Virginia

Smith, Kevin RB 6'1" 212 Central Florida

Stewart, Carl RB 6'2" 228 Auburn

Thomas, Marcus RB 6'2" 215 Texas-El Paso

Torain, Ryan RB 6'0" 215 Arizona State

Washington, Chauncey RB 6'0" 215 Southern Cal

So Stewart ran a slower time than 9 RBs and a faster time than 28 RBs. 10th out of 38 puts him in the top 30%. Even if you take out the fullbacks, he still ran faster than most of the RB prospects. So can you explain to us how he "ran one of the slower times of the RBs?" Maybe I'm mistaken, but if you run better than most of the guys at your position then I don't think you've run one of the worst times at your position.

So your basing this on "incomplete results"? Do you think he will be in the top 10 when the "final results" are posted? Hint: No

The results aren't incomplete. They only list the top 10 performers in each event. What this means is that all of those guys listed below Stewart ran slower times in the 40.

 

[JimboJim]

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

only player close IMO would be Thomas Jones. Can you name some closer?

Physically, I think he's kinda somewhere in between Thomas Jones and Jamal Lewis. Not quite as big as Lewis, but thicker than Jones, and not quite as cut as Jones, but more athletic looking than Lewis. He's like a mini-big/power back.

 

[Wildman]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

Why didnt you grade Ronnie Brown?

I didn't start the Rookie Scouting Portfolio until 2006. This is my third year with the publication. I do all my own grading. This year I have 123 players that I have graded at the QB, RB, WR, and TE spots. I spend about 30-40 hours a week on the publication in late fall through early spring. I plan to have between 125-130 players ready by April. I usually grade 2-4 games for publication. I often like to pick games where the player didn't have ungodly stats as well, because you can still see the skills that make a player great regardless of his numbers. As long as he has enough attempts, targets, etc., then you can spot the goods. Examples for me have included rating Addai as a top tier back after watching him (among other games) barely gain 4 ypc versus a top-ranked Auburn defense as a junior. I haven't graded Mendenhall as high as others despite his huge game versus USC and Wisconsin, both games I analyzed. My checklists are structured with position specific criteria and the scoring method is borrowed from quality scoring methods you'd find best-quality organizations in manufacturing and customer service use to grade performance. I used to be a director of quality for a company that was interested in adopting Baldridge Award-Winning practices and after spending 15 years grading human performance in non-athletic roles, I thought it could work for grading football players. Part of it is documenting what you see and clearly defining your criteria so your commentary also supports the grade for each point. This is time-consuming but it makes a nice analysis to read. Whether you'll agree with my assessment of a player overall, you'll understand where I'm coming from when you read the profiles.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

genetics. You have no clue, do you?McFadden needs to work on His legs. With the right trainer, He will be able to build his legs up.

He's 20 years old, He will only get stronger.

He has Great vision and will be a top RB in the pro's for years to come.

Stewart will be out of the League in less than 5 years. He's just not that good.

Again when He falls in the draft, will re-look at this.

Until the NFL Draft, boys.

I'm done even reading about whos better.

Top 10 pick McFadden.

Stewart will fall to the 2nd round. See ya.

 

[EBF]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

Adrian Peterson? Or is it you dont want to use DMac's playing weight and use his combine 4.33 weight?

Close, but Peterson was 6 pounds heavier. And Peterson is light by NFL standards.

So ... within 5% not satisfactory for you? Are you admitting that I found a 'top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions'?How about your list?

My time and patience are limited, but I can assure you that a list of current stud RBs who are over 6'1" and under 210-220 pounds will be a short one. Peterson is the only guy who's close. Most elite backs who are 6'1" or taller are 220+ pounds.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

, but I gotta :flag: here. Genetics? Are you serious? We can agree to disagree

Yes, Genetics. Not everyone can have legs like Barry Sanders or MJD. Sure you can add some muscle to your body. Its obvious that McFadden works out in the gym. Why are his legs so skinny if he works out? I am far from an NFL player but I have worked out 4-5 times a week for 10 years. I have skinny ### stick legs no matter what kinda of protein shake I drink/work out routine I have. We all cant have MJD legs.....its genetic.

 

[JAA]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.

Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

Are you including Schmitt and Hester? Go ahead and post your figures and your stats so I can get a chuckle

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performersFull results haven't been posted yet, but here you can see the top 10.

1. Johnson, Chris 4.24

2. McFadden, Darren 4.33

3. Alridge, Anthony 4.36

4. Charles, Jamaal 4.38

5. Simpson, Chad 4.42

6. Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45

7. Forte, Matt 4.46

8. Jones, Felix 4.47

9. Parmele, Jalen 4.47

10. Stewart, Jonathan 4.48

And here are all the other RBs who were invited to the combine:

Bernard, Yvenson RB 5'9" 205 Oregon State

Boyd, Cory RB 6'0" 218 South Carolina

Brown, Thomas RB 5'9" 198 Georgia

Caulcrick, Jehuu RB 6'0" 258 Michigan State

Choice, Tashard RB 5'11" 210 Georgia Tech

Dawson, Calvin RB 5'9" 205 Louisiana-Monroe

Felton, Jerome FB 6'0" 246 Furman

Forsett, Justin RB 5'8" 190 California

Green-Ellis, BenJarvus RB 5'11" 220 Mississippi

Hart, Mike RB 5'9" 195 Michigan

Hester, Jacob FB 5'11" 230 LSU

Hilliard, Lex RB 5'11" 228 Montana

Hillis, Peyton FB 6'1" 240 Arkansas

Little, Rafael RB 5'9" 194 Kentucky

Lumpkin, Kregg RB 6'0" 224 Georgia

McRae, Kalvin RB 5'9" 208 Ohio

Morgan, DaJuan RB 6'1" 205 North Carolina State

Omon, Xavier RB 5'11" 226 Northwest Missouri State

Patrick, Allen RB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma

Rice, Ray RB 5'9" 195 Rutgers

Savage, Dantrell RB 5'8" 187 Oklahoma State

Schmitt, Owen FB 6'2" 250 West Virginia

Slaton, Steve RB 5'10" 195 West Virginia

Smith, Kevin RB 6'1" 212 Central Florida

Stewart, Carl RB 6'2" 228 Auburn

Thomas, Marcus RB 6'2" 215 Texas-El Paso

Torain, Ryan RB 6'0" 215 Arizona State

Washington, Chauncey RB 6'0" 215 Southern Cal

So Stewart ran a slower time than 9 RBs and a faster time than 28 RBs. 10th out of 38 puts him in the top 30%. Even if you take out the fullbacks, he still ran faster than most of the RB prospects. So can you explain to us how he "ran one of the slower times of the RBs?" Maybe I'm mistaken, but if you run better than most of the guys at your position then I don't think you've run one of the worst times at your position.

So your basing this on "incomplete results"? Do you think he will be in the top 10 when the "final results" are posted? Hint: No

The results aren't incomplete. They only list the top 10 performers in each event. What this means is that all of those guys listed below Stewart ran slower times in the 40.

Sorry EBF, I like you ... a lot, but I gotta take off the gloves here. Slaton ran a faster 40 and Rice ran a faster 40 (though it seems both Rice and Stewart ran 4.48). If your gonna do the math, make sure you got all the numbers. Else you may end up drafting FatDale White ... oooff.

 

[Wildman]

1. Johnson, Chris 4.24--I

2. McFadden, Darren 4.33--

3. Alridge, Anthony 4.36

4. Charles, Jamaal 4.38--

5. Simpson, Chad 4.42

6. Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45

7. Forte, Matt 4.46--

8. Jones, Felix 4.47

9. Parmele, Jalen 4.47--

10. Stewart, Jonathan 4.48

In reference to this list--Speed is over emphasized. Missles are fast, but they go in a straight line and some of these guys don't have the TNT or Plutonium to blow up a defender

 

[ImTheScientist]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

genetics. You have no clue, do you?McFadden needs to work on His legs. With the right trainer, He will be able to build his legs up.

He's 20 years old, He will only get stronger.

He has Great vision and will be a top RB in the pro's for years to come.

Stewart will be out of the League in less than 5 years. He's just not that good.

Again when He falls in the draft, will re-look at this.

Until the NFL Draft, boys.

I'm done even reading about whos better.

Top 10 pick McFadden.

Stewart will fall to the 2nd round. See ya.

I should have known better than to take you off ignore. Do you really believe McFadden has no trainer currently? Is Reggie Bush getting stronger? Why doesn't he look like Jonathan Stewart by now? Im sure Reggie has trainers. Why are his legs sticks? Back to ignore 4 you.

 

[Burning Sensation]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

, but I gotta :flag: here. Genetics? Are you serious? We can agree to disagree

Yes, Genetics. Not everyone can have legs like Barry Sanders or MJD. Sure you can add some muscle to your body. Its obvious that McFadden works out in the gym. Why are his legs so skinny if he works out? I am far from an NFL player but I have worked out 4-5 times a week for 10 years. I have skinny ### stick legs no matter what kinda of protein shake I drink/work out routine I have. We all cant have MJD legs.....its genetic.

This is simply not true. While you may never be able to achieve legs like MJD, it is ridiculous to think you couldnt strengthen/thicken your legs with a proper diet and weight lifting routine. Being Mcfadden is only 20, and about to have the best trainers and nutritionalist at his disposal, there is no reason to think he couldnt add 7-10 lbs in a 8-12 months without losing any speed. As scary as it is, he could actually improve on his speed with 5 extra lbs of muscle in his legs. He already came ito the combine weighing 6 lbs more than his listed weight in college, and ran faster than most thought he would.

 

[JimboJim]

I think Stewart has the potential and upside to be workhorse RB ala a (healthy) Jamal Lewis or Larry Johnson.

For a guy his size, he definitely has incredible athleticism.

I don't think you're going to get an electric game-breaker like a LT/Peterson/Westbrook. That's not a knock though, that doesn't appear to be the type of back Stewart is. He really reminds me a bit of Jamal Lewis, just not quite as big. Lewis was a crazy combo of speed/power before injuries took their toll on him. I would expect the same to be true for Stewart.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I now nominate EBF and The Scientist for president and vice president of the Jonathon Stewart fan club.

Stewart will be OK in the NFL... but not a stud IMO. I've been wrong before, maybe I am again. But he'll have to show me in the NFL.

I've never said he's a lock to be a star in the NFL. But the arguments some people have used to knock him (i.e. "he's slow" or "he was only good because of Dixon") are so lame that I've felt obligated to rip them to shreds. If you don't like him, you don't like him. That doesn't bother me. Where I have a problem is when you try to compare him to Duckett or say he's slow because he runs the 40 .07 seconds slower than Adrian Peterson. That's just silly.

I dont think anyone is knocking him really. Just pointing out glaring information of why DMac will be the better NFL draft pick.

What I was commenting on was people posting information that is completely inaccurate. Specifically, I'm talking about posts like this:

The only knock on Stewart going into the combine was his lack of speed (not quickness). He did everything to reinforce that fact with his runs. ive said since the beginningof the season when I started watching Stewart (I had him on my College FF) and always said he looked slow. He ran one of the slowest RB times and people say it doesnt matter. I dont get it.

Here you say Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times" at the combine. In reality, there were something like 35-45 RBs tested and he finished inside the top 10. So his time was in the top 20-30% of all the RBs who were invited to the combine. How this equates to running "one of slowest RB times" is unclear to me. What I'm trying to do is clarify things so mistruths such as the one you posted above are ignored.

Are you including Schmitt and Hester? Go ahead and post your figures and your stats so I can get a chuckle

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performersFull results haven't been posted yet, but here you can see the top 10.

1. Johnson, Chris 4.24

2. McFadden, Darren 4.33

3. Alridge, Anthony 4.36

4. Charles, Jamaal 4.38

5. Simpson, Chad 4.42

6. Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45

7. Forte, Matt 4.46

8. Jones, Felix 4.47

9. Parmele, Jalen 4.47

10. Stewart, Jonathan 4.48

And here are all the other RBs who were invited to the combine:

Bernard, Yvenson RB 5'9" 205 Oregon State

Boyd, Cory RB 6'0" 218 South Carolina

Brown, Thomas RB 5'9" 198 Georgia

Caulcrick, Jehuu RB 6'0" 258 Michigan State

Choice, Tashard RB 5'11" 210 Georgia Tech

Dawson, Calvin RB 5'9" 205 Louisiana-Monroe

Felton, Jerome FB 6'0" 246 Furman

Forsett, Justin RB 5'8" 190 California

Green-Ellis, BenJarvus RB 5'11" 220 Mississippi

Hart, Mike RB 5'9" 195 Michigan

Hester, Jacob FB 5'11" 230 LSU

Hilliard, Lex RB 5'11" 228 Montana

Hillis, Peyton FB 6'1" 240 Arkansas

Little, Rafael RB 5'9" 194 Kentucky

Lumpkin, Kregg RB 6'0" 224 Georgia

McRae, Kalvin RB 5'9" 208 Ohio

Morgan, DaJuan RB 6'1" 205 North Carolina State

Omon, Xavier RB 5'11" 226 Northwest Missouri State

Patrick, Allen RB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma

Rice, Ray RB 5'9" 195 Rutgers

Savage, Dantrell RB 5'8" 187 Oklahoma State

Schmitt, Owen FB 6'2" 250 West Virginia

Slaton, Steve RB 5'10" 195 West Virginia

Smith, Kevin RB 6'1" 212 Central Florida

Stewart, Carl RB 6'2" 228 Auburn

Thomas, Marcus RB 6'2" 215 Texas-El Paso

Torain, Ryan RB 6'0" 215 Arizona State

Washington, Chauncey RB 6'0" 215 Southern Cal

So Stewart ran a slower time than 9 RBs and a faster time than 28 RBs. 10th out of 38 puts him in the top 30%. Even if you take out the fullbacks, he still ran faster than most of the RB prospects. So can you explain to us how he "ran one of the slower times of the RBs?" Maybe I'm mistaken, but if you run better than most of the guys at your position then I don't think you've run one of the worst times at your position.

So your basing this on "incomplete results"? Do you think he will be in the top 10 when the "final results" are posted? Hint: No

The results aren't incomplete. They only list the top 10 performers in each event. What this means is that all of those guys listed below Stewart ran slower times in the 40.

Sorry EBF, I like you ... a lot, but I gotta take off the gloves here. Slaton ran a faster 40 and Rice ran a faster 40 (though it seems both Rice and Stewart ran 4.48). If your gonna do the math, make sure you got all the numbers. Else you may end up drafting FatDale White ... oooff.

I also know Kevin Smith ran faster than a 4.48 40. There are more than a few of these guys on the list who i know ran faster than Stewart as well. I have nothing against Stewart, but he was definetly NOT in the top 10 for 40 times.

 

[JohnnyU]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

, but I gotta :flag: here. Genetics? Are you serious? We can agree to disagree

Yes, Genetics. Not everyone can have legs like Barry Sanders or MJD. Sure you can add some muscle to your body. Its obvious that McFadden works out in the gym. Why are his legs so skinny if he works out? I am far from an NFL player but I have worked out 4-5 times a week for 10 years. I have skinny ### stick legs no matter what kinda of protein shake I drink/work out routine I have. We all cant have MJD legs.....its genetic.

This is simply not true. While you may never be able to achieve legs like MJD, it is ridiculous to think you couldnt strengthen/thicken your legs with a proper diet and weight lifting routine. Being Mcfadden is only 20, and about to have the best trainers and nutritionalist at his disposal, there is no reason to think he couldnt add 7-10 lbs in a 8-12 months without losing any speed. As scary as it is, he could actually improve on his speed with 5 extra lbs of muscle in his legs. He already came ito the combine weighing 6 lbs more than his listed weight in college, and ran faster than most thought he would.

Doesn't Jerious Norwood have at his disposal the same quality trainers, diet, and weight lifting? What about Reggie Bush?

 

[EBF]

Sorry EBF, I like you ... a lot, but I gotta take off the gloves here. Slaton ran a faster 40 and Rice ran a faster 40 (though it seems both Rice and Stewart ran 4.48). If your gonna do the math, make sure you got all the numbers. Else you may end up drafting FatDale White ... oooff.

The problem here is that you're confusing preliminary times with official times. Rice and Slaton (and Stewart) ran 4.44 unofficially. When the times were adjusted and made official, Stewart came out with the better time. He ran faster than those two players. So let's recap here. You said Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times." Yet the results show that he ran the 10th best time out of 38 runners. Even if you subtract the 4-5 fullbacks, he still finished in the top 35% of all the RBs who ran the 40 at the combine. Do you still insist that he "ran one of the slowest RB times?" I'm not here to say Stewart is a stud or McFadden is garbage or any of that. But you've been making patently false statements about Stewart and I think it would be a shame if people reading this thread were swayed by that sort of misinformation.

 

[JAA]

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

only player close IMO would be Thomas Jones. Can you name some closer?

Physically, I think he's kinda somewhere in between Thomas Jones and Jamal Lewis. Not quite as big as Lewis, but thicker than Jones, and not quite as cut as Jones, but more athletic looking than Lewis. He's like a mini-big/power back.

Anyone have 1999 NFL Combine results? Im about to bet some money that Amos Zereoue benched more than Stewart

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

Why didnt you grade Ronnie Brown?

I didn't start the Rookie Scouting Portfolio until 2006. This is my third year with the publication. I do all my own grading. This year I have 123 players that I have graded at the QB, RB, WR, and TE spots. I spend about 30-40 hours a week on the publication in late fall through early spring. I plan to have between 125-130 players ready by April. I usually grade 2-4 games for publication. I often like to pick games where the player didn't have ungodly stats as well, because you can still see the skills that make a player great regardless of his numbers. As long as he has enough attempts, targets, etc., then you can spot the goods. Examples for me have included rating Addai as a top tier back after watching him (among other games) barely gain 4 ypc versus a top-ranked Auburn defense as a junior. I haven't graded Mendenhall as high as others despite his huge game versus USC and Wisconsin, both games I analyzed. My checklists are structured with position specific criteria and the scoring method is borrowed from quality scoring methods you'd find best-quality organizations in manufacturing and customer service use to grade performance. I used to be a director of quality for a company that was interested in adopting Baldridge Award-Winning practices and after spending 15 years grading human performance in non-athletic roles, I thought it could work for grading football players. Part of it is documenting what you see and clearly defining your criteria so your commentary also supports the grade for each point. This is time-consuming but it makes a nice analysis to read. Whether you'll agree with my assessment of a player overall, you'll understand where I'm coming from when you read the profiles.

Tell me about cant miss prospects you have missed on. I want to read more and am sincerely always looking for other opinions.

 

[JAA]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs.

I dont understand how you cant look at AP/DMac compared to Stewart on tape and in person and tell me which one(s) are going to be the better NFL players.Name the last 2 players of Stewarts size and speed who suceeded in the NFL. The only 2 I can think of that come remotely close is MJD and <cough> Amos Zereoue

Odd argument since there isn't a top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions.

Adrian Peterson? Or is it you dont want to use DMac's playing weight and use his combine 4.33 weight?

Close, but Peterson was 6 pounds heavier. And Peterson is light by NFL standards.

So ... within 5% not satisfactory for you? Are you admitting that I found a 'top 20 RB in the league with McFadden's dimensions'?How about your list?

My time and patience are limited, but I can assure you that a list of current stud RBs who are over 6'1" and under 210-220 pounds will be a short one. Peterson is the only guy who's close. Most elite backs who are 6'1" or taller are 220+ pounds.

Id be willing to bet the list of successful NFL players close to DMac's stature is longer than Stewarts.

 

[Wildman]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

, but I gotta :flag: here. Genetics? Are you serious? We can agree to disagree

Yes, Genetics. Not everyone can have legs like Barry Sanders or MJD. Sure you can add some muscle to your body. Its obvious that McFadden works out in the gym. Why are his legs so skinny if he works out? I am far from an NFL player but I have worked out 4-5 times a week for 10 years. I have skinny ### stick legs no matter what kinda of protein shake I drink/work out routine I have. We all cant have MJD legs.....its genetic.

This is simply not true. While you may never be able to achieve legs like MJD, it is ridiculous to think you couldnt strengthen/thicken your legs with a proper diet and weight lifting routine. Being Mcfadden is only 20, and about to have the best trainers and nutritionalist at his disposal, there is no reason to think he couldnt add 7-10 lbs in a 8-12 months without losing any speed. As scary as it is, he could actually improve on his speed with 5 extra lbs of muscle in his legs. He already came ito the combine weighing 6 lbs more than his listed weight in college, and ran faster than most thought he would.

Excellent point about getting stronger. I think he's more than strong enough. The question to me is his vision. I know Chaos thinks he has great vision, but I didn't see that on tape. I saw great speed through holes and alleys that required very little behind the LOS adjustments or cuts in the hole to exploit. If you want to see good vision from prospects, check out some Kevin Smith, Ray Rice, or Matt Forte vids. Not that vision is everything, but it's a big make or break factor. The reason I scored Ahmad Bradshaw an 88 on my checklist on a scale from 0-100 is his vision was excellent. Probably the best of the backs I evaluated last year. One of the games I scored was an effort versus Tennessee where he had to make adjustments just to get minimal yardage. His vision and quickness translated very well as a rookie. I saw the same from Addai three years ago and I believe I see the similar from Forte, although in more limited carries than I'd like to usually use for an evaluation. Still I'll stand behind it.

 

[JAA]

How about this:

Looking at Stewart and McFadden side by side (physically), who do you think has the most upside (room for improvement) as a football player? Do you think Stewart is going to get stronger and faster? What about DMac?

McFadden's build will not let him put the needed strength into his legs. His legs are the way they are....genetics. He doesn't have lower body strength and he never will.

This looks like an NFL RB build to me...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Here is a picture of McFadden http://www.flickr.com/photos/tipsterhog/119072218/ <----- Notice the leg build vs Stewart.

, but I gotta :flag: here. Genetics? Are you serious? We can agree to disagree

Yes, Genetics. Not everyone can have legs like Barry Sanders or MJD. Sure you can add some muscle to your body. Its obvious that McFadden works out in the gym. Why are his legs so skinny if he works out? I am far from an NFL player but I have worked out 4-5 times a week for 10 years. I have skinny ### stick legs no matter what kinda of protein shake I drink/work out routine I have. We all cant have MJD legs.....its genetic.

This is simply not true. While you may never be able to achieve legs like MJD, it is ridiculous to think you couldnt strengthen/thicken your legs with a proper diet and weight lifting routine. Being Mcfadden is only 20, and about to have the best trainers and nutritionalist at his disposal, there is no reason to think he couldnt add 7-10 lbs in a 8-12 months without losing any speed. As scary as it is, he could actually improve on his speed with 5 extra lbs of muscle in his legs. He already came ito the combine weighing 6 lbs more than his listed weight in college, and ran faster than most thought he would.

I wonder if David Boston would like to comment on this topicDavid Boston's Legs alias in 3 ... 2 ... 1

 

[Chaos Commish]

AP was pretty high. Ronnie Brown I didn't grade. Stewart is up there with AP in score, but only because AP had some issues in college that often make him an all-or-nothing yardage gainer, which we saw in certain games this year. Stewart isn't the force of nature Peterson is, but as a runner he's someone I'd clearly like to have over what I see in what's a good class of backs. On another note, the idea posted that Stewart didn't demand the ball selfishly as a reason for knocking him down a peg should be said about Clinton Portis and Edge splitting time at Miami. Frank Gore and McGahee, too. Maybe we should add Terrell Davis and Garrison Hearst into that category, too. Same deal with Jamaal Charles and Selvin Young. Stewart is a guy that I think (if healthy, a good concern listed about the ankle) can be a 280-carry 1300-yd back for 3-5 years in any offensive system--single back, I-back, or spread attack

Certainly you're not comparing Jeremiah Johnson to Portis, Edge, Gore, and McGahee. This isn't so much about demanding the ball either. It's about not earning it and seeming content with the outcome. The mentality that demands the ball lacks teamwork. The mentality that fails to earn the ball is a little different.

 

[JAA]

I think Stewart has the potential and upside to be workhorse RB ala a (healthy) Jamal Lewis or Larry Johnson.For a guy his size, he definitely has incredible athleticism.

You mean like the 6'1 230lb Johnson? The one that DMac will look like when he is 28 years old (8 more years)

 

[JAA]

I think Stewart has the potential and upside to be workhorse RB ala a (healthy) Jamal Lewis or Larry Johnson.For a guy his size, he definitely has incredible athleticism.I don't think you're going to get an electric game-breaker like a LT/Peterson/Westbrook. That's not a knock though, that doesn't appear to be the type of back Stewart is. He really reminds me a bit of Jamal Lewis, just not quite as big. Lewis was a crazy combo of speed/power before injuries took their toll on him. I would expect the same to be true for Stewart.

When you watched Stewart in college, did you think he had a crazy combo of speed and power? I think he has great power, but the game and tape I have watched of speed, not so much.

 

[JAA]

Sorry EBF, I like you ... a lot, but I gotta take off the gloves here. Slaton ran a faster 40 and Rice ran a faster 40 (though it seems both Rice and Stewart ran 4.48). If your gonna do the math, make sure you got all the numbers. Else you may end up drafting FatDale White ... oooff.

The problem here is that you're confusing preliminary times with official times. Rice and Slaton (and Stewart) ran 4.44 unofficially. When the times were adjusted and made official, Stewart came out with the better time. He ran faster than those two players. So let's recap here. You said Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times." Yet the results show that he ran the 10th best time out of 38 runners. Even if you subtract the 4-5 fullbacks, he still finished in the top 35% of all the RBs who ran the 40 at the combine. Do you still insist that he "ran one of the slowest RB times?" I'm not here to say Stewart is a stud or McFadden is garbage or any of that. But you've been making patently false statements about Stewart and I think it would be a shame if people reading this thread were swayed by that sort of misinformation.

Are you saying Stewart ran a faster time than Slaton?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Sorry EBF, I like you ... a lot, but I gotta take off the gloves here. Slaton ran a faster 40 and Rice ran a faster 40 (though it seems both Rice and Stewart ran 4.48). If your gonna do the math, make sure you got all the numbers. Else you may end up drafting FatDale White ... oooff.

The problem here is that you're confusing preliminary times with official times. Rice and Slaton (and Stewart) ran 4.44 unofficially. When the times were adjusted and made official, Stewart came out with the better time. He ran faster than those two players. So let's recap here. You said Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times." Yet the results show that he ran the 10th best time out of 38 runners. Even if you subtract the 4-5 fullbacks, he still finished in the top 35% of all the RBs who ran the 40 at the combine.

Do you still insist that he "ran one of the slowest RB times?"

I'm not here to say Stewart is a stud or McFadden is garbage or any of that. But you've been making patently false statements about Stewart and I think it would be a shame if people reading this thread were swayed by that sort of misinformation.

I think JAA should clear this up.

 

[yellowdog]

Anyone have 1999 NFL Combine results? Im about to bet some money that Amos Zereoue benched more than Stewart

You would be wrong.Some individual workouts have moved players up in the past week. West Virginia tailback Amos Zereoue ran the 40 in 4.35 seconds and posted a 41-inch vertical, a 10-foot-4 broad jump and 25 reps on the bench press. One running backs coach felt the workout gave Zereoue a good hold on being the third-best running back in the draft.

 

[EBF]

Sorry EBF, I like you ... a lot, but I gotta take off the gloves here. Slaton ran a faster 40 and Rice ran a faster 40 (though it seems both Rice and Stewart ran 4.48). If your gonna do the math, make sure you got all the numbers. Else you may end up drafting FatDale White ... oooff.

The problem here is that you're confusing preliminary times with official times. Rice and Slaton (and Stewart) ran 4.44 unofficially. When the times were adjusted and made official, Stewart came out with the better time. He ran faster than those two players. So let's recap here. You said Stewart "ran one of the slowest RB times." Yet the results show that he ran the 10th best time out of 38 runners. Even if you subtract the 4-5 fullbacks, he still finished in the top 35% of all the RBs who ran the 40 at the combine.

Do you still insist that he "ran one of the slowest RB times?"

I'm not here to say Stewart is a stud or McFadden is garbage or any of that. But you've been making patently false statements about Stewart and I think it would be a shame if people reading this thread were swayed by that sort of misinformation.

Are you saying Stewart ran a faster time than Slaton?

That's what the results show. If you can show me a list of official times that has Slaton above Stewart then I'll reconsider my stance. But I'd say it's tough to top NFL.com in terms of credibility. Their results show Stewart ahead of Slaton (not to mention 27 other RBs). Do you still feel that Stewart ran one of the worst RB times? I'd like to hear an explanation for that claim since it seems to have no basis in fact.