Jonathan Stewart (1 Viewer)

[SayWhat?]

I'm extremely discouraged with Stewart, but not with his production or propensity to get dinged. I'm discouraged by the ineptitude of the Panthers coaching staff and their playcalling. As others have stated, when they don't try to get cute (a rarity) with that read option and/or swapping out Stewart/DWill/Tolbert every other play, then their run game seems to produce acceptable results. But it just seems like the coaching staff is overthinking this and trying to show how smart they are, which ultimately leads to poor results.

What was the stat last night? Something like the Panthers have had 2nd half leads in 12 of their 18 losses over the past two seasons, which is one shy of an NFL record. I think a big reason for that is that their run game simply isn't in sync in the 2nd half because of all these games that they try to play, and they can't maintain drives, sustain leads, and finish games.

Rivera, and his utilization of shades during a night game, needs to go.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Newton is their franchise player moving forward. Newton is most comfortable and effective in the shotgun running alot of read option. Newton has also been the most prolific QB TD vulture in NFL history thus far in his career. None of that is going to change moving forward.

Unfortunately for Stewart, it probably doesn't matter what coaching changes they make or if they cut DeAngelo and / or Tolbert. Any talent-based upside is going to be capped big time by the presence of Cam Newton.

 

[packersfan]

Unfortunately for Stewart, it probably doesn't matter what coaching changes they make or if they cut DeAngelo and / or Tolbert. Any talent-based upside is going to be capped big time by the presence of Cam Newton.

Last season when Newton was playing much better, Stewart had seven games of 80 total yards or more and eight games with three receptions or more. That all occurred despite Newton having a record-setting year and while sharing time with DeAngelo Williams. It's certainly conceivable that Stewart could be at least a rock-solid RB2 if Williams was gone and the coaching staff made a legitimate commitment to him. Newton's definitely the centerpiece but JStew could still be a very good fantasy option if he was on a team that used him intelligently and properly in my opinion.

 

[JFS171]

I'll point to one similar situation that happens to have the potential next coach of the Panthers running the offense - Washington with Kyle Shanahan.

Shanahan's name has been floated as a rising star in coaching, and the Panthers have long-time ties to the Washington organization. Shanahan runs a run-based offense, which Carolina has also preferred, and his development of the O-line and RGIII has been outstanding in his time as OC.

Hypothetically, switch coordinators from Chud to Kyle Shanahan, and Stewart would be a vastly different player. The o-lines are comparable (or were heading into the season before Carolina started their ridiculous read-option mess), the QBs similar with running capabilities, the WRs probably favor Carolina, and Stewart is the more talented back compared to Morris.

With the potential for a new coaching staff featuring someone like Shanahan calling the shots, and the potential for Stewart to earn a role comparable to Morris, I honestly don't see how he could NOT be a dynasty buy, especially given the frustration and angst of his owners (and yes, I'm also frustrated).

He'll never be any cheaper.

 

[packersfan]

Rivera just said Stewart has a high ankle sprain and is calling him "day to day." I think he's toast for the rest of this fantasy season.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Rivera just said Stewart has a high ankle sprain and is calling him "day to day." I think he's toast for the rest of this fantasy season.

Do you have a link to this Rivera quote for context? I don't understand how a HAS can be considered day-to-day? Something doesn't add up. If Stewart is out for an extended period, does DW have any value? (speaking aloud, already fearing I know the answer to that question)

 

[packersfan]

Rivera just said Stewart has a high ankle sprain and is calling him "day to day." I think he's toast for the rest of this fantasy season.

Do you have a link to this Rivera quote for context? I don't understand how a HAS can be considered day-to-day? Something doesn't add up. If Stewart is out for an extended period, does DW have any value? (speaking aloud, already fearing I know the answer to that question)

It's on Twitter. As far as the quote not adding up, consider the source.

 

[ChummyShark]

Rivera just said Stewart has a high ankle sprain and is calling him "day to day." I think he's toast for the rest of this fantasy season.

Do you have a link to this Rivera quote for context? I don't understand how a HAS can be considered day-to-day? Something doesn't add up. If Stewart is out for an extended period, does DW have any value? (speaking aloud, already fearing I know the answer to that question)

Does Rivera even know what a high ankle sprain is? If Stewart has a high ankle sprain, then he's out for a 2-4 weeks. Might as well just cut him if you're in a redraft league.If Stewart's out, who's the better pickup: DeAngelo Williams or Mike Tolbert?P.S. I traded DMC right after he got his high ankle sprain for Jonathan Stewart and Andre Brown. Actually started Jonathan Stewart in the game where he scored his only touchdown of the season, and JStew helped me win that week's match-up. Oh well.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'll say it again: Cut him from your team. It is so liberating not to have this tease on your team and letting you down on a weekly basis.

I'm going to follow this advice. Feels like the 12th step in a 12 step program. I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel now. Now, you can see me piss and moan about Dwyer holding down my RB2 spot in the "who's the Pittsburgh RB to own" thread.

 

[packersfan]

I'll say it again: Cut him from your team. It is so liberating not to have this tease on your team and letting you down on a weekly basis.

I'm going to follow this advice.

Me too. Goodbye JStew. :(

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Those calling him a dynasty buy right now: what prices are you guys seeing? I've sold him in multiple leagues at RB2ish prices without much problem - had multiple owners interested everywhere I put him on the block.

I agree that he's an elite talent, but if Cam's presence limits his reasonable UPSIDE (the new coaches are good enough to fix things quickly AND Williams is cut outright) to RB2 levels (with the downside that he stays in RBBC on a bad team and is hot garbage just like this year), then you better be getting him really, really cheap. He's definitely not anywhere near a top 50 overall player in most formats, but there are plenty of folks out there that see only the age and the talent, and will pay for him at inflated prices...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Those calling him a dynasty buy right now: what prices are you guys seeing? I've sold him in multiple leagues at RB2ish prices without much problem - had multiple owners interested everywhere I put him on the block.I agree that he's an elite talent, but if Cam's presence limits his reasonable UPSIDE (the new coaches are good enough to fix things quickly AND Williams is cut outright) to RB2 levels (with the downside that he stays in RBBC on a bad team and is hot garbage just like this year), then you better be getting him really, really cheap. He's definitely not anywhere near a top 50 overall player in most formats, but there are plenty of folks out there that see only the age and the talent, and will pay for him at inflated prices...

He's not as "ELITE" as everyone makes him out to be, otherwise he'd be ya know actually doing something. He isnt an LT, Trich,ADP level talent. yet so many around here are "WISHING" him to be. move along from him I say, again, this season..............

 

[Ghost Rider]

Agreed. He's talented, but elite talent? Sorry, not buying it.

 

[packersfan]

You don't need to be an elite talent to be a productive RB in fantasy. Al Morris and DeMarco Murray (when healthy) come to mind.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You don't need to be an elite talent to be a productive RB in fantasy. Al Morris and DeMarco Murray (when healthy) come to mind.

Right but ELITE talents overcome bad situations to produce in fantasy.one top 11 season in what 5 nfl season do not cut it.

 

[packersfan]

You don't need to be an elite talent to be a productive RB in fantasy. Al Morris and DeMarco Murray (when healthy) come to mind.

Right but ELITE talents overcome bad situations to produce in fantasy.one top 11 season in what 5 nfl season do not cut it.

I like JStew a lot but I'm not putting him in the same category as guys like Peterson, Foster, Rice, McCoy, MJD, Charles or even TRich or Martin. Those guys are all special talents. I think Stewart has high-end ability but I wouldn't view him as a "special" talent though a lot of this stuff is really subjective.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

It's hard to be so disappointed with JStew. I took a flier on him in the 9th round and picked up DWills in the 10th. Figured it would be a "value" set of picks to corner the Carolina RB situation. You do get what you pay for though. This wasn't value. Some things are cheap for a reason.

 

[JFS171]

I don't have access behind the pay wall of Pro Football Focus, but perhaps others do. In their proprietary Elusiveness Rankings, they've rated Stewart as one of the most elusive running backs in the league. Period. One of the most elusive, which takes into account broken tackles and yards after contact, and other metrics.

The RBs you're all comparing him to as "elite" are in "elite" situations. Carolina is about as bad as it gets for a RB situationally, not just with the poor playcalling and abandonment of the run, but the fact that when running plays are called, half of them are the ridiculous zone read that gets RBs killed. You don't see Tampa putting Martin in a timeshare with Blount where he gets 7 carries, despite taking the first 4 for 32 yards. That doesn't happen with Trent, Peterson, etc. Even Morris in Washington may see one or two zone read plays per game, not half of his carries.

Further, all those guys have unquestioned roles in those offenses, yet for some reason Carolina's coaches have heavily curtailed Stewart's usage, despite DW proving he's hit the wall (judging by his production, or lack thereof).

I'm not suggesting that Carolina's situation reaches elite levels next year, but to suggest there's a problem with Stewart's TALENT when the situation is so abysmal and HIS ROLE is so ridiculously limited is not a fair assessment IMO.

Poor situation and curtailed role does NOT equal a lack of talent.

 

[Loan Sharks]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.

Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),

Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owner by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, or touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault and impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

 

[letter_j]

It is now being reported that Stewart has not been healthy all year:

Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski concedes Jonathan Stewart (high-ankle sprain) hasn't been 100 percent all season.

"He's fighting through it and he's doing the best he can with it. I know some weeks it's better than others," Chudzinski said. "We'll just have to wait and see and hopefully we can get that thing healed up quick." We've noticed the past few weeks that Stewart simply doesn't have the explosive playmaking ability of previous seasons. An August high-ankle sprain and subsequent toe injury have sapped his homerun speed. With an offseason to rest in addition to the prospects of a new coaching staff and DeAngelo Williams' departure, Stewart remains a Dynasty "hold."

Source: Charlotte Observer Nov 27 - 6:46 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4650/jonathan-stewart

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/11/27/3691464/panthers-lose-dt-ron-edwards-for.html#storylink=rss

 

[letter_j]

Jonathan Stewart (high-ankle sprain) was held out of Wednesday's practice.

Coach Ron Rivera has yet to rule Stewart out for Week 13, but if he's truly dealing with a high sprain, there's a zero percent chance he'll suit up against the Chiefs. "We'll see how he responds to the treatment," Rivera said. "I saw him coming in today walking. He looked OK. But I'm optimistic." We'd ultimately expect DeAngelo Williams to get the start against Kansas City.

Source: Joseph Person on Twitter Nov 28 - 3:52 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4650/jonathan-stewart

 

[Shutout]

Those calling him a dynasty buy right now: what prices are you guys seeing? I've sold him in multiple leagues at RB2ish prices without much problem - had multiple owners interested everywhere I put him on the block.I agree that he's an elite talent, but if Cam's presence limits his reasonable UPSIDE (the new coaches are good enough to fix things quickly AND Williams is cut outright) to RB2 levels (with the downside that he stays in RBBC on a bad team and is hot garbage just like this year), then you better be getting him really, really cheap. He's definitely not anywhere near a top 50 overall player in most formats, but there are plenty of folks out there that see only the age and the talent, and will pay for him at inflated prices...

He's not as "ELITE" as everyone makes him out to be, otherwise he'd be ya know actually doing something. He isnt an LT, Trich,ADP level talent. yet so many around here are "WISHING" him to be. move along from him I say, again, this season..............

I think the "elite vs. not-elite" argument is irrelevant. Its like talking about "what if Barry sanders Had run behind the Cowboys o-line?" Its all about situation and, as said above, the presence of cam Newton just sucks the atmosphere out of JSTEW. But there is no reason to argue "elite" because any player, misused, will suffer. See Larry fitzgerald. I don't think anyone would argue that fitz is not elite, yet he's terrible in FF right now. On the other hand, let's say JSTEW gets shipped off to Detroit Pittsburgh in the off-season and no one is going to waste time arguing his "eliteness". Its sutation, pure and simple.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

 

[ChummyShark]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

LOL!! This was the funniest thing I've ever read on a fantasy football site. I've only suffered BSS for 3-4 weeks when I traded for him mid-season. I TRADED FOR BSS. Can you believe it? Actually, there's probably a related mental disorder for owners like me who drafted Darren McFadden in the 1st round and Ryan Mathews in the 3rd round. Is there such a thing as Battered M&M Syndrome? If so, I had it! You wanna know how I got rid of it?Answer. After Week 9 I traded McFadden for Jonathan Stewart and Andre Brown (both subsequently dropped this week. Dropped JStew for DeAngelo Williams!) And after Week 10 I traded Ryan Mathews, Willis McGahee, and Vincent Jackson for Doug Martin and Hakeem Nicks.No more Battered Stewart Syndrome. No more Battered McFadden Syndrome. No more Battered Mathews Syndrome. My starting RBs are Doug Martin and Beanie Wells with benchers DeAngelo Williams and Bilal Powell and Ronnie Hillman sitting and waiting for call-up duty.

 

[packersfan]

Cut Stewart today and ended up with Daniel Thomas on Waivers.

Yay?

 

[Biabreakable]

Cut Stewart today and ended up with Daniel Thomas on Waivers.Yay?

I am guessing this is a pretty short roster otherwise Stewart is still worth keeping. To be honest I do not know enough about Daniel Thomas to think he would be any better? Not my intent to rub this in at all. But this is what I was trying to explain to you about Stewart's injury history, or as another poster was putting it some players do not play through injuries as well as others do. Stewart is one of those guys. Anyone thinking about rostering him should keep that in mind in their valuation process.Good luck to you. Some times cutting bait is the best thing to do. I still think Stewart may have a good season or 2 in years ahead if things align for him but the expectations have been too high since day one. It is those expectations that are more at fault here than anything else. In dynasty I might consider trying to buy if owners are willing to part with him for little in return, I would not bend over to make a deal or pay anywhere close to what some folks around here seem to think of Stewart's potential. If he can be had for something like RB3 value or less I would still consider it though, I think Stewart has an outside chance to be a late bloomer of relevance similar to Thomas Jones (who most had given up on before his good seasons).

 

[packersfan]

Cut Stewart today and ended up with Daniel Thomas on Waivers.Yay?

I am guessing this is a pretty short roster otherwise Stewart is still worth keeping. To be honest I do not know enough about Daniel Thomas to think he would be any better?

Tight roster limits in my league but I'm also in second place and all tied bids go to the team lower in the standings. I had five RBs listed ahead of Thomas, got outbid for one of them and lost the other four to teams below me in the standings. Good news is it happened because I'm doing so well in the league. Bad news is I didn't get a single RB I really wanted. Thomas has been solid of late and more productive than Stewart so from a production standpoint I've upgraded assuming Thomas at least maintains the level he's been at for the past several weeks. Bad news is I don't view him as having a lot of upside and nowhere the type of upside a healthy Stewart would possess.But Stewart's not healthy and if he does have a high ankle sprain as Rivera said we may not see him healthy again until 2013.

 

[glumpy]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

Now That's Classic!! :fan:

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Cut Stewart today and ended up with Daniel Thomas on Waivers.Yay?

I am guessing this is a pretty short roster otherwise Stewart is still worth keeping. To be honest I do not know enough about Daniel Thomas to think he would be any better?

If Stewart has a high ankle sprain, odds are pretty good we've seen the last of him this year in a lost season. Little reason to bring him back just for Weeks 16-17I think Stewart's an easy cut. They didn't give him full workload when healthy. Let alone first week back from a multi-week injury. ight as well roster someone that'll put up stats the rest of the year.

 

[spreagle]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

Hi my name is Sam and I'm a victim of Delayed Battered Stewart Syndrom (DBSS). It all started in the 2008 rookie draft where I had to choose between Stewart and Chris Johnson, it was a tough choice and I chose CJ even though Stewart was rated higher at the time. Even though I passed on Stewart I always longed for him especially the last two seasons when CJ sort of stunk, and this year I grabbed him with gusto in an offseason free agency draft like he was a full beer floating by my deserted desert island. Even though Stewart hasn't done squat all year I'm still clutching that Stewart bottle, actually I painted it and named it Wilson, and fear I will not be able to let him go until he retires. Please help me.

 

[Loan Sharks]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

LOL!! This was the funniest thing I've ever read on a fantasy football site. I've only suffered BSS for 3-4 weeks when I traded for him mid-season. I TRADED FOR BSS. Can you believe it? Actually, there's probably a related mental disorder for owners like me who drafted Darren McFadden in the 1st round and Ryan Mathews in the 3rd round. Is there such a thing as Battered M&M Syndrome? If so, I had it! You wanna know how I got rid of it?Answer. After Week 9 I traded McFadden for Jonathan Stewart and Andre Brown (both subsequently dropped this week. Dropped JStew for DeAngelo Williams!) And after Week 10 I traded Ryan Mathews, Willis McGahee, and Vincent Jackson for Doug Martin and Hakeem Nicks.No more Battered Stewart Syndrome. No more Battered McFadden Syndrome. No more Battered Mathews Syndrome. My starting RBs are Doug Martin and Beanie Wells with benchers DeAngelo Williams and Bilal Powell and Ronnie Hillman sitting and waiting for call-up duty.

I feel worst for Stewart owners who drafted him as a rookie. They had the taste of a great relationship and they most assuredly have had it the worst suffering from BSS for three long years since 2009. It is sad to think that judging by the posts in this thread some poor owners are still going to subject themselves to year four of this abusive relationship.I know this is a unrelated topic, but this guy in my dynasty league held Barry Sanders for 3 years after he retired hoping he would come back, sometimes people just can't let go. It is just sad reading this thread and listening to Stewart owners say "They walked into a door" rather than admit that Stewart has hurt them.

 

[Max Power]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

LOL!! This was the funniest thing I've ever read on a fantasy football site. I've only suffered BSS for 3-4 weeks when I traded for him mid-season. I TRADED FOR BSS. Can you believe it? Actually, there's probably a related mental disorder for owners like me who drafted Darren McFadden in the 1st round and Ryan Mathews in the 3rd round. Is there such a thing as Battered M&M Syndrome? If so, I had it! You wanna know how I got rid of it?Answer. After Week 9 I traded McFadden for Jonathan Stewart and Andre Brown (both subsequently dropped this week. Dropped JStew for DeAngelo Williams!) And after Week 10 I traded Ryan Mathews, Willis McGahee, and Vincent Jackson for Doug Martin and Hakeem Nicks.No more Battered Stewart Syndrome. No more Battered McFadden Syndrome. No more Battered Mathews Syndrome. My starting RBs are Doug Martin and Beanie Wells with benchers DeAngelo Williams and Bilal Powell and Ronnie Hillman sitting and waiting for call-up duty.

I feel worst for Stewart owners who drafted him as a rookie. They had the taste of a great relationship and they most assuredly have had it the worst suffering from BSS for three long years since 2009. It is sad to think that judging by the posts in this thread some poor owners are still going to subject themselves to year four of this abusive relationship.I know this is a unrelated topic, but this guy in my dynasty league held Barry Sanders for 3 years after he retired hoping he would come back, sometimes people just can't let go. It is just sad reading this thread and listening to Stewart owners say "They walked into a door" rather than admit that Stewart has hurt them.

I was part of a dynasty auction/salary cap startup draft in the summer of 2010. I don't remember the exact numbers, but Stewart ended up being one of the top 5 most expensive players. He was given a 5 year contract where salaries compound each year. I'm not in the league anymore, but if he hasn't been cut already, I have no doubt that he is about 40% of his owner's payroll by now.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Hi my name is Sam and I'm a victim of Delayed Battered Stewart Syndrom (DBSS). It all started in the 2008 rookie draft where I had to choose between Stewart and Chris Johnson, it was a tough choice and I chose CJ even though Stewart was rated higher at the time. Even though I passed on Stewart I always longed for him especially the last two seasons when CJ sort of stunk, and this year I grabbed him with gusto in an offseason free agency draft like he was a full beer floating by my deserted desert island. Even though Stewart hasn't done squat all year I'm still clutching that Stewart bottle, actually I painted it and named it Wilson, and fear I will not be able to let him go until he retires. Please help me.

HI SAM! The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. We have all been there and I personally had a bad bought of Post Traumatic Tim Couch syndrome a few years ago. Be careful when you are kicking BSS as you can easily overcompensate and start prematurely cutting players do to fear of commitment.

 

[MAC_32]

Cut Stewart today and ended up with Daniel Thomas on Waivers.Yay?

I am guessing this is a pretty short roster otherwise Stewart is still worth keeping. To be honest I do not know enough about Daniel Thomas to think he would be any better?

If Stewart has a high ankle sprain, odds are pretty good we've seen the last of him this year in a lost season. Little reason to bring him back just for Weeks 16-17I think Stewart's an easy cut. They didn't give him full workload when healthy. Let alone first week back from a multi-week injury. ight as well roster someone that'll put up stats the rest of the year.

Universally dumping him. Absolute best case is he misses weeks 13 and 14 comes back week 15, but is not a good bet to start on your fantasy team, and if things go surprisingly well he's a consideration for championship week. Bryce Brown looks like a better bet imho.

 

[gcoast3]

Cut Stewart today and ended up with Daniel Thomas on Waivers.Yay?

I am guessing this is a pretty short roster otherwise Stewart is still worth keeping. To be honest I do not know enough about Daniel Thomas to think he would be any better?

If Stewart has a high ankle sprain, odds are pretty good we've seen the last of him this year in a lost season. Little reason to bring him back just for Weeks 16-17I think Stewart's an easy cut. They didn't give him full workload when healthy. Let alone first week back from a multi-week injury. ight as well roster someone that'll put up stats the rest of the year.

Universally dumping him. Absolute best case is he misses weeks 13 and 14 comes back week 15, but is not a good bet to start on your fantasy team, and if things go surprisingly well he's a consideration for championship week. Bryce Brown looks like a better bet imho.

I dumped Stewart this week. I will never own another RB on a Cam Newton QB'd Team.

 

[bizkliz]

BSS is not a joke. You guys in here need to get some help. Good luck guys in what I know must be a hard thing to go through.Battered Stewart Syndrome (BSS),Repeated episodes of psychological assault on a owners by the person with whom he rosters or with whom he has had unrealistically high expectations, often resulting in serious psychologic damage to the owners playoff implications. Such delusional expectations tends to follow a predictable pattern. The damages usually follow verbal argument and accusation and are accompanied by verbal abuse predominantly on fantasy football message boards. Almost any subject-a fumble, ypc, cor touches can begin the episode. Over time, the delusional episodes escalate in frequency and severity. Most battered Stewart Owners report that they thought that the piss poor performances would stop and site his performance from several years ago; unfortunately, studies show that the longer the owner rosters Stewart the more likely they are to be seriously injured. Less and less provocation seems to be enough to trigger an preposterous defense posture, such as the OC will be replaced, DeAngelo Williams will be gone, Cam will miraculously stop vulturing and Stewart will suddenly not suck, once the syndrome has begun. The use of alcohol may increase the severity of the assault impair the ability to find the drop button. Stewart is more likely to be abusive as the game wears on. Battering occurs in cycles of usually occurring in the 2nd half of games and almost exclusively on Sundays. In the first phase Stewart acts increasingly enticing, a good run here, named the work horse there, and creates a hope that there is potential. Then Stewart's true suckitude starts to show, the bad play, total lack of a running game, and shoves or slaps begin. The second phase is the time of the acute, violent activity. As the tension mounts, the owner becomes unable to cut the Stewart, and he may argue or defend himself despite the evidence that he is a below average back in a terrible situation. The Stewart uses this as the justification for his piss poor play and assaults the owner, often saying that he is "teaching him a lesson." The third stage is characterized by hope for next year and remorse on the part of the Panthers orginization, with promises of change. The calm continues until the Panthers play again. Battered Stewart syndrome occurs at all socioeconomic levels, and one half to three quarters of owner assault victims are the victims of an attack by a Stewart. It is estimated that in the United States between 1 and 2 million owners a year are beaten by their Stewarts. Owners who grew up in homes in which the father owned Jeff George, Ryan Leaf or Lawrence Phillips are more likely to roster Stewart than owners who lived in nonStewart homes. Personal and cultural attitudes also affect the incidence of battering. Bad stats are a normal part of Stewart socialization in most cultures; bad coaching may be condoned as a means of resolving a conflict. A personality profile obtained by psychologic testing reveals the typical Stewart owner to be reserved, withdrawn, depressed, and anxious, with low self-esteem, a poorly integrated self-image, and a general inability to cope with life's demands. Caring for and counseling a battered Stewart owner often require great patience because he is usually ambivalent about his situation and may be confused to the point of believing that he deserves the terrible production he has suffered.

tremendous. -biz-

 

[OG_GF]

I had to waive him or Dwyer. I kept Dwyer.

 

[letter_j]

Oof:

In addition to sustaining a left high-ankle sprain at Philadelphia in Week 12, Jonathan Stewart also re-injured his right ankle.Stewart missed two of the season's first three games with a right high-ankle sprain sustained in the preseason. His short-area explosiveness and breakaway speed haven't been the same since. Now both ankles are injured. Stewart is still hoping to play at Kansas City this week, which is yet another reason to be skeptical of coach Ron Rivera's "high-ankle" designation. He's yet to practice, however, and appears to be a long shot to suit up.Source: Charlotte Observer Nov 29 - 7:16 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4650/jonathan-stewart

 

[Gottabesweet]

I got excited to drop him in my re-draft finally

I traded him in a dynasty league in a package for Ryan Matthews. One headache for another.

 

[letter_j]

Jonathan Stewart (ankles) did not travel with the team to Kansas City and has been ruled OUT for Sunday's tilt with the Chiefs.

Stewart was listed as doubtful on Friday after not practicing at all during the week, and the Panthers have decided to leave him in Charlotte. It's not much of a shock. DeAngelo Williams will get the start with Mike Tolbert acting as the change-of-pace back. Williams comes in as Rotoworld's No. 22 running back for Week 13 and could be a decent flex play against Kansas City's bottom-10 fantasy run defense. Dec 1 - 3:59 PM

Source: Joe Person on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4650/jonathan-stewart

 

[ChummyShark]

I dropped Jonathan Stewart to pick up DeAngelo Williams in a redraft league.

Where's the DeAngelo Williams thread?

 

[Not Sleeping]

I dropped Jonathan Stewart to pick up DeAngelo Williams in a redraft league.

Where's the DeAngelo Williams thread?

I know right? I'm surprised there's not a little more hype on Williams. Too many jaded ex-owners by now, I guess. I have a good feeling about him tomorrow though. Starting him over DMC and Ballard (yeah, my RB situation is not good).

 

[elbowrm]

Williams is good for 100 and 2 TDs this week. It's his audition for next year.

 

[ChummyShark]

Williams is good for 100 and 2 TDs this week. It's his audition for next year.

Dang! Do I bump Beanie Wells to the bench for DeAngelo Williams? And will the KC Chiefs play inspired defense given the recent tragic events involving Jovan Belcher?

 

[monk]

Those calling him a dynasty buy right now: what prices are you guys seeing? I've sold him in multiple leagues at RB2ish prices without much problem - had multiple owners interested everywhere I put him on the block.

I agree that he's an elite talent, but if Cam's presence limits his reasonable UPSIDE (the new coaches are good enough to fix things quickly AND Williams is cut outright) to RB2 levels (with the downside that he stays in RBBC on a bad team and is hot garbage just like this year), then you better be getting him really, really cheap. He's definitely not anywhere near a top 50 overall player in most formats, but there are plenty of folks out there that see only the age and the talent, and will pay for him at inflated prices...

He's not as "ELITE" as everyone makes him out to be, otherwise he'd be ya know actually doing something. He isnt an LT, Trich,ADP level talent. yet so many around here are "WISHING" him to be. move along from him I say, again, this season..............

In fact he's not the best RB on his own team

 

[monk]

Williams is good for 100 and 2 TDs this week. It's his audition for next year.

Dang! Do I bump Beanie Wells to the bench for DeAngelo Williams? And will the KC Chiefs play inspired defense given the recent tragic events involving Jovan Belcher?

This is what worries me about DW today.

 

[Hendo]

Williams is good for 100 and 2 TDs this week. It's his audition for next year.

Good luck getting those TDs in this offense imo.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm surprised there's not a little more hype on Williams. Too many jaded ex-owners by now, I guess. I have a good feeling about him tomorrow though. Starting him over DMC and Ballard (yeah, my RB situation is not good).

I remember being excited for him in Week 1 this year (JStew was out then, too). He gave me 6 carries for -1 yard. So, good luck with him, cause you're gonna need it (in large part cause of the Panthers clueless coaching staff).