I don't get to see many GB games and was wondering why they kept Nelson on the sidelines as much as it looked like (to me) versus Detroit? It seemed like he wasn't utilized as much as he should have been during this past game. Maybe that's a normal number of snaps for him...? Anyone else find it odd?
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
It seemed normal to me, and I didn't specifically notice him on the side lines so am not sure what his snap count was, but Nelson just had a bad game. He had a few drops/missed opportunities that he would normally make.
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Dark Matter
Footballguy
The Packers offense is a roulette wheel of opportunity. The only sure play from week to week is Rodgers.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Not sure how you can say thatGAME logs for Nelson
GAME logs for Jennings
Seems to me these 2 have been as consistent as any WR this year.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
He did lead the team in targets. Just wasn't able to do as much as he normally does with them this week.
Dark Matter
Footballguy
Because it's true. Neither needs many receptions to be effective as the Pack has plenty of other talent scoring TD's (see Jones/Kuhn/Finley and even Raji). Rodgers has been the only consistent offensive threat game to game. Didn't think this was news
GreenNGold
Footballguy
I consider top 10 WR's in fantasy scoring (both of them are) to be consistent producers and must-starts as well.Because it's true. Neither needs many receptions to be effective as the Pack has plenty of other talent scoring TD's (see Jones/Kuhn/Finley and even Raji). Rodgers has been the only consistent offensive threat game to game. Didn't think this was news
comfortably numb
Footballguy
OK, then I will say the roulette wheel of opportunity consistently has landed on both Jennings and Nelson this year enough where they are WR4 and WR6 in my PPR leagues?Because it's true. Neither needs many receptions to be effective as the Pack has plenty of other talent scoring TD's (see Jones/Kuhn/Finley and even Raji). Rodgers has been the only consistent offensive threat game to game. Didn't think this was news
I get what you are saying but the stats show otherwise.
Jennings and Nelson should not be started in hopes that THIS is the week they blow up.
They are both legitimate WR1's for FF purposes this year.
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Bruce Leroy
Footballguy
Are people still underestimating Jordy because he's white? Even FF ballers? 
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
This is the correct answer.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
That has already been debunked as the incorrect answer. Although I agree it sounds cool to say.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Nelson's value has been all about the long ball. He is 12th in yards (782) and 28th in receptions (44). He is 7th in yards/catch with 17.8, and none of the six guys ahead of him have more catches - in fact most of them are in the 20's. Look at the game logs, it's ridiculous, he has longs of 36, 84, 50, 93, 64, and 40 in various games.
All this to say, some games the 50+ TD isn't going to be there, (Jones got it this week) and of course the stat line is going to suffer. I don't know what his snap count was this game but I doubt it was much different than usual. He caught four balls, which happens to be exactly his season average. He did miss at least one catchable ball that I remember.
All this to say, some games the 50+ TD isn't going to be there, (Jones got it this week) and of course the stat line is going to suffer. I don't know what his snap count was this game but I doubt it was much different than usual. He caught four balls, which happens to be exactly his season average. He did miss at least one catchable ball that I remember.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
This was a somewhat strange game for the Packers offense due to the spate of injuries to the Lions DB's. They lost Delmas and Houston in the first quarter and one of the backups got injured in the 3rd qtr. They were playing Rashied Davis (a WR) as a dime back, and had several guys out of position back there. Chris Harris should not be on an NFL roster. By the second half, it was like taking candy from a baby, and I think the WR packages for the Packers were a bit odd as a result. Here are the snap counts for the WR's:
Jennings (47)
Driver (27)
Nelson (25)
Cobb (23)
Jones (23)
Finley also lines up wide - usually more than he does inside, and Quarless also had a ton of snaps and a few targets (and one dropped td pass).
Jennings (47)
Driver (27)
Nelson (25)
Cobb (23)
Jones (23)
Finley also lines up wide - usually more than he does inside, and Quarless also had a ton of snaps and a few targets (and one dropped td pass).
Dark Matter
Footballguy
I completely agree that Jennings/Nelson are weekly must starts and the roulette wheel has landed 85/87 plenty this year. The stats prove that. Wish I had em roostered in all my leagues. It so just so happened in weeks 3,5,7 and 12 that Nelson threw up a dud. Nelson has done great things with the opportunities given to him this season and as a Packer fan, hope like hell he keeps it up. With Rodgers as the exception, I temper my expectations on all Packer skill players because of the way they spread the wealth.OK, then I will say the roulette wheel of opportunity consistently has landed on both Jennings and Nelson this year enough where they are WR4 and WR6 in my PPR leagues?Because it's true. Neither needs many receptions to be effective as the Pack has plenty of other talent scoring TD's (see Jones/Kuhn/Finley and even Raji). Rodgers has been the only consistent offensive threat game to game. Didn't think this was news
I get what you are saying but the stats show otherwise.
Jennings and Nelson should not be started in hopes that THIS is the week they blow up.
They are both legitimate WR1's for FF purposes this year.
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agent orange
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Not totally about the long ball as Nelson is the 6th ranked WR in YAC with 286. I remember several short to intermediate catches that Jordy managed to take to the house. Sure, the result in the stat line is the same, but I believe this makes him less of a boom/bust option as any catch could become a "long ball". Of course this applies to nearly every WR in the NFL, but more so with Jordy.Also, count me as one who looks for the long, bare, white arms lined up out wide.'Reepicheep said:
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He got his normal looks. He just did not get production out of them.It was just the way the game played out, Nelson did not do much with his opportunities and Jones got the long TD that Nelson has been getting. It might be Jones turn to string together games with a TD.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Me too! Always spotting Jordy just before the snap.Not totally about the long ball as Nelson is the 6th ranked WR in YAC with 286. I remember several short to intermediate catches that Jordy managed to take to the house. Sure, the result in the stat line is the same, but I believe this makes him less of a boom/bust option as any catch could become a "long ball". Of course this applies to nearly every WR in the NFL, but more so with Jordy.Also, count me as one who looks for the long, bare, white arms lined up out wide.'Reepicheep said:
chickenlittle
Footballguy
Given Nelson's production the number of stats seem a little confusing. Does Jennings deserve nearly twice as many? Does Driver deserve more snaps? How can Nelson only be getting roughly the same amount of snaps as the 4th and 5th Wrs?'CletiusMaximus said:
Dark Matter
Footballguy
IMO, It's not about "deserving" in the Packer offense. McCarthy doesn't care about anyone's fantasy team. They run so many different sets that it's hard to get a true feel for who is going where on any given situation. Jennings and Finley are the more consistent players as far as snap counts go.
pack66
Footballguy
The Packers scheme on the WRs based on their opponents. Have two great lockdown corners and a very good 3rd CB? Most likely Finley, Quarless and Cobb are your guys. Good cover LBs and two decent CBs? Cobb/Nelson/Jones depending on where they line up. Aside from Jennings, it varies who the #2 leader in points is going to be with regard to consistency.
I will say that the Lions DLine was pressuring all day long, which seemed to limit Rodgers' shots downfield...that being said, I've slept since then.
I will say that the Lions DLine was pressuring all day long, which seemed to limit Rodgers' shots downfield...that being said, I've slept since then.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Always bet on.....white?
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Finley has fewer targets than Nelson and has been less consistent than Nelson, fantasy-wise.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Great point about YAC.Not totally about the long ball as Nelson is the 6th ranked WR in YAC with 286. I remember several short to intermediate catches that Jordy managed to take to the house. Sure, the result in the stat line is the same, but I believe this makes him less of a boom/bust option as any catch could become a "long ball". Of course this applies to nearly every WR in the NFL, but more so with Jordy.Also, count me as one who looks for the long, bare, white arms lined up out wide.'Reepicheep said:
Dark Matter
Footballguy
Agreed but my post had to do with real football.
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Luke Skywalker
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Hey, he's got 2 solo tackles. Bonus points!
Dought Man
Footballguy
They went to that run and shoot formation a few times with Jennings, Cobb, Driver, Jones. Jordy seems to always be in during the two WR sets and in on the 3 WR formations 75% of the time.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Playing matchups I guess. If you have enough talented personnel it seems like a smart play to switch things up and try to give the defense a surprise.
shadyridr
Footballguy
yeah but i wonder if it even matters which wrs are in there cuz rodgers is so damn good
shadyridr
Footballguy
almost entire first half the wrs in the two wr set were jennings and cobb
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Flowers was on him. Jordy committed at least 2 offensive PI penalties, both in the first half I think. Add that Rodgers was off (does he not play well in the cold?) and under a lot of pressure and it was a bad day all around for everybody.
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Resident A
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GB lost 2 O-linemen & were down to their 3rd string Right Tackle, who got abused. Rodgers had the pocket collapse immediately on literally almost every play.
Plus, Flowers was on Jordy. Flowers is a legit shut-down CB who just doesn't get the publicity.
Plus, Flowers was on Jordy. Flowers is a legit shut-down CB who just doesn't get the publicity.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
I think this thread deserves further discussion.
I'm heading into a week 16 super bowl and I'm thinking about benching Jordy Nelson in favor of Aaron Hernandez (playing against the Brady owner).
It's easy to just assume that the Packers and Jordy will bounce back but.....
-They still have new injuries on the OL.
-Jordy still has to go against a #1 CB with Jennings out.
-Bears still have a good defense.
I'm heading into a week 16 super bowl and I'm thinking about benching Jordy Nelson in favor of Aaron Hernandez (playing against the Brady owner).
It's easy to just assume that the Packers and Jordy will bounce back but.....
-They still have new injuries on the OL.
-Jordy still has to go against a #1 CB with Jennings out.
-Bears still have a good defense.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
So who's starting Jordy and over whom?
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Bump
C'mon - I can't be the only one deciding whether or not to start Jordy in the super bowl.
C'mon - I can't be the only one deciding whether or not to start Jordy in the super bowl.
Superbowl Shuffle
Footballguy
I'll be deciding between Brandon Marshall and Jordy. Marshall's great matchup has me considering benching Jordy based on the factors above, and the potential they will have already clinched #1 seed.
In his favor he dominates at Lambeau...
In his favor he dominates at Lambeau...
shadyridr
Footballguy
its monday. do you have to set your lineup right now or something?BumpC'mon - I can't be the only one deciding whether or not to start Jordy in the super bowl.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Sorry - just a little anxious I guess.its monday. do you have to set your lineup right now or something?BumpC'mon - I can't be the only one deciding whether or not to start Jordy in the super bowl.
shadyridr
Footballguy
i had a gut feeling that gb would struggle in kc and in particular jordy. with kcs cbs, playing in a tough road environment, and the loss of jennings i decided to bench jordy yesterday. i probably will bench him again next week but i have some great options. making a decision this early is foolhardy cuz nobody knows what gb will do with their starters and tonights sf game has an influence on that. pay attention to reports through the week.
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Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Wow - tough one. Pats have been so horrible on defense. Marshall seems to finally be delivering some bigger games now but even his best games haven't been huge. He just seems to always have a drop or two that prevents him from having a complete game. But I think his downside/floor is definitely higher than Jordy Nelson's.I want to believe that Nelson's bad game was just an enigma but if Bulaga is still out at RT (along with his backup), then GB may still have some OL problems. And with Jennings out, Nelson will again be going against a #1 CB from a team with a good #1 CB (maybe not as good as KC's CB but still pretty solid).Hmmmmm.......If I'm you, I'm not sure what to do.
And if I'm me (Nelson vs. Hernandez against the Brady owner), I'm not sure either. Doh!!!
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