Joseph Addai and garbage time (1 Viewer)

[Keith Lewis]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

 

[zamboni]

Probably like any team, if they're up or down big in the 4th, the backup (Keith) will get mop-up duty. If the game is close, Addai will be in there.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Garbage time = Kenton Keith

 

[Sleeper 43]

I think with the lack of depth a RB they will be quick to rest Addai when the lead is safe.

 

[Nookular Power]

I'd think if it's truly "garbage time" -- up by 21 in the 4th -- most teams will pull their #1 guy, whether it's Addai or no. If they're only up 10, though, most teams will keep their top guy in if they're looking to run out the clock. Clock-killing yards will go to the teams that (1) have a good #1 back and (2) win the close, lower-scoring, games. That's why Dillon was so good those couple years in New England -- they rarely blew folks out. Seems last year anyway, the Colts were keeping things closer to the vest, not looking to win by the end of the first half. If they do that again, Addai should get his share of late-game, clock-killing, yards.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

"The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. "

I made a comment in a similar context to Kenton Keith not being an adequate backup, and the response was "do you know anything about him to be making that statement?" It made me think about the fact that I really dont, and since I did not study any film on him from either the CFL or from this reseason I had no justification to make the statement.

The Colts cut everyone else, and have seemingly made no effort to bolster their RB corps. I think it is getting very close to being safe to say that they are quite comfortable with Keith as their backup, and that from their professional evaluations of him, they do not view him as a liability. The Indi brass has not given me any reason to doubt them, so I have come around on Keith personally. If I get an open roster spot, and he is still available, I am taking him based upon the fact that Indi won a super bowl with a RBBC, Addai is an unproven feature back with an injury-riddled history, and their front office seems to have a lot of confidence in him.

 

[David Yudkin]

IIRC, they only have one other RB on the roster. I also question whether the Colts defense is strong enough to allow the Colts to be blowing out teams. We know the offense is good, but I think the defense has plenty of ???? having lost 2 CBs, a S, a LB, and a DT (of varying degrees of importance) from a unit that in the regular season was bottom 10 in points allowed.

 

[Homer]

IIRC, they only have one other RB on the roster. I also question whether the Colts defense is strong enough to allow the Colts to be blowing out teams. We know the offense is good, but I think the defense has plenty of ???? having lost 2 CBs, a S, a LB, and a DT (of varying degrees of importance) from a unit that in the regular season was bottom 10 in points allowed.

Colts D showed they are plenty good when the opponent gets pass happy when they're "hopelessly" behind. That's the trend that was lost in last year's "historically bad" run defense: It doesn't matter a damned bit how bad they are when the other team simply CAN'T take the time off the clock to run the ball. 5 yards a chunk to the Colts when they're up 10 points means NOTHING.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

They will keep Addai on pace to not exceed 400 touches.

Yesterday he had 25. Thats exactly 400 on the season.

 

[switz]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

 

[cstruk]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

I agreee with Switz. I think you can expect to see Addai pulled a lot in games where the Colts are way ahead. That is the way they will deal with using multiple backs versus last year where they used both when the game meant something, As a result, I downgraded Addai slightly as he may also not be used much in weeks 15 and 16 when the Colts have their Division clinched. I'd rather go with LJ or Gore that will be fighting and in there until the end of their game to win it wheras Addai will be resting come te 4th quarter.

 

[Brewzers]

"The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. "I made a comment in a similar context to Kenton Keith not being an adequate backup, and the response was "do you know anything about him to be making that statement?" It made me think about the fact that I really dont, and since I did not study any film on him from either the CFL or from this reseason I had no justification to make the statement. The Colts cut everyone else, and have seemingly made no effort to bolster their RB corps. I think it is getting very close to being safe to say that they are quite comfortable with Keith as their backup, and that from their professional evaluations of him, they do not view him as a liability. The Indi brass has not given me any reason to doubt them, so I have come around on Keith personally. If I get an open roster spot, and he is still available, I am taking him based upon the fact that Indi won a super bowl with a RBBC, Addai is an unproven feature back with an injury-riddled history, and their front office seems to have a lot of confidence in him.

We know Keith was successful in the CFL, but we don't know how that will translate to the NFL. He got a couple of meaningful carries last night and did well. I'm guessing 6-8 touches/game for Keith on average.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

Might have something to do with that train that hit him in the first play from scrimmage.

 

[Garts]

"The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. "I made a comment in a similar context to Kenton Keith not being an adequate backup, and the response was "do you know anything about him to be making that statement?" It made me think about the fact that I really dont, and since I did not study any film on him from either the CFL or from this reseason I had no justification to make the statement. The Colts cut everyone else, and have seemingly made no effort to bolster their RB corps. I think it is getting very close to being safe to say that they are quite comfortable with Keith as their backup, and that from their professional evaluations of him, they do not view him as a liability. The Indi brass has not given me any reason to doubt them, so I have come around on Keith personally. If I get an open roster spot, and he is still available, I am taking him based upon the fact that Indi won a super bowl with a RBBC, Addai is an unproven feature back with an injury-riddled history, and their front office seems to have a lot of confidence in him.

I'm from Saskatchewan where Keith played 4 years of CFL ball...the guy has unreal jukes and acceleration and ridiculous feet...his problems will come running in between the tackles and trying to take 3 yards instead of trying to break everything for 80....he was kinda of a Tatum Bell-type....a lot of 1 and 2 yard gains mixed with a lot of long ones...he has played in big games up here...he will do fine

 

[AussieOyOyOy]

I really don't think Addai's usage is much of an issue. Maybe there will be a few games where he's eating hot dogs on the sidelines during the 4th quarter. Nonetheless, I think it's pretty obvious that he's going to get the ball plenty of times.

If I were an Addai owner, I'd just sit back and enjoy the ride, rather than looking for things to worry about.

 

[Da Guru]

If it gets to garbage time, Addai will already had 125 total yards and a TD.

I will take that.

 

[switz]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

Might have something to do with that train that hit him in the first play from scrimmage.

Doubtful... otherwise they would have held him out earlier IMO. Besides, he merely got the wind knocked out of him, it's not like he was limited so they pulled him.Go yourself!

 

[Lash]

IIRC, they only have one other RB on the roster. I also question whether the Colts defense is strong enough to allow the Colts to be blowing out teams. We know the offense is good, but I think the defense has plenty of ???? having lost 2 CBs, a S, a LB, and a DT (of varying degrees of importance) from a unit that in the regular season was bottom 10 in points allowed.

have these thoughts changed in 24 hours?interested to know cause they shut down an explosive offense last night easily

 

[NYCGangGreen]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

Might have something to do with that train that hit him in the first play from scrimmage.

Doubtful... otherwise they would have held him out earlier IMO. Besides, he merely got the wind knocked out of him, it's not like he was limited so they pulled him.Go yourself!

I'm well aware you are quite the fan of My point however was that since they already had a scare early on, with the game well sewn up, the staff I'm sure would rather not have him out there to risk any more scares/injuries.Yes he recovered from the first hit well and played a terrific game, but does keeping him in during garbage time after a scare early on make sense??? NO, so they pull him in favor of Keith.

 

[FFdork]

It makes perfect sense to me to yank him in favor of Keith when they've got it well in hand. On the other hand, I would say that the Colts have a higher threshold for when the game is still in doubt than I do. There have been many times when I have watched them where they kept pouring it on even though the game appeared over.

Besides, as an Addai owner, I really don't want to see him approaching 30 touches very often unless it's week 16 and I'm playing for the championship. Let's keep him fresh until he's more proven as a workhorse back.

 

[The Jerk]

IIRC, they only have one other RB on the roster. I also question whether the Colts defense is strong enough to allow the Colts to be blowing out teams. We know the offense is good, but I think the defense has plenty of ???? having lost 2 CBs, a S, a LB, and a DT (of varying degrees of importance) from a unit that in the regular season was bottom 10 in points allowed.

have these thoughts changed in 24 hours?interested to know cause they shut down an explosive offense last night easily

It was an impressive early 2005-ish effort from the Colts defense, and I still think this defense is best on turf and with a lead where their speed and pass rush can be best utilized. However, even before they had the second half lead, the defense was pretty stout.The biggest question on the Colts defense is how well they can play against a power running team that just comes straight out and runs right at them. I don't think we can say for sure how well they will defend against that type of offense, but there is at least some reason to believe they may be better than expected even against that type of offense.

 

[bcr8f]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

It says he was hurt in the first half too. The doctors were checking his ribs and back on the sidelines so why risk injury?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

It says he was hurt in the first half too. The doctors were checking his ribs and back on the sidelines so why risk injury?

And also the fact that Addai had absobed about twice as many tackles as the other three combined. He simply doesnt need 30 touches a game and 480 on the year. And thats what 5 more would have equated to.

 

[switz]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

Might have something to do with that train that hit him in the first play from scrimmage.

Doubtful... otherwise they would have held him out earlier IMO. Besides, he merely got the wind knocked out of him, it's not like he was limited so they pulled him.Go yourself!

I'm well aware you are quite the fan of My point however was that since they already had a scare early on, with the game well sewn up, the staff I'm sure would rather not have him out there to risk any more scares/injuries.Yes he recovered from the first hit well and played a terrific game, but does keeping him in during garbage time after a scare early on make sense??? NO, so they pull him in favor of Keith.

I was kidding around, hence the Yes, I'm sure part of the reason they pulled him was to make sure he didn't get injured unnecessarily...sarcasm meter down?

 

[Family Matters]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

Injury risks are always prevelant on any down and on any play. Addai nearly found out on the first play. I really do not think there is any merit to the notion that guy carrying the ball during garbage time is any more of a risk of injury than say the first carry. You really can't predict these things. Outside of what Dungy did (2 years ago I think) by resting some players for the last 2 games there really isn't much a coach can do to protect his players. They have to play every down at 100% in order to protect themelves. Coaches really can't be too concerned about it.With that said, I'm sure if they have a lead late they will play the percentages on milking the cloack. And I'm sure that means using more than just Addai. But keep this in mind: If you were the coach, how many times are you handing off to a guy that's never played in the NFL? I think he gets some but Addai should easily see 320+ carries this year along with 50+ catches.

 

[vegasrobb]

I think Dungy and Moore will do a great job of managing Addai. They did a great job managing Edge and Rhodes.

 

[Da Guru]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

Injury risks are always prevelant on any down and on any play. Addai nearly found out on the first play. I really do not think there is any merit to the notion that guy carrying the ball during garbage time is any more of a risk of injury than say the first carry. You really can't predict these things. Outside of what Dungy did (2 years ago I think) by resting some players for the last 2 games there really isn't much a coach can do to protect his players. They have to play every down at 100% in order to protect themelves. Coaches really can't be too concerned about it.With that said, I'm sure if they have a lead late they will play the percentages on milking the cloack. And I'm sure that means using more than just Addai. But keep this in mind: If you were the coach, how many times are you handing off to a guy that's never played in the NFL? I think he gets some but Addai should easily see 320+ carries this year along with 50+ catches.

If that is the case Addai cold see a gurney too!

 

[zamboni]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

The Colts pulled Addai last night when they were in the lead, even though they kept Harrison, Wayne, and Manning in. It says something.

It says he was hurt in the first half too. The doctors were checking his ribs and back on the sidelines so why risk injury?

And also the fact that Addai had absobed about twice as many tackles as the other three combined.

Exactly - RBs take a lot more pounding than QBs or WRs do. Small wonder that Dungy would look to rest Addai first.

 

[Family Matters]

What are your thoughts on Joseph Addai and garbage time production? I'm not speaking about week 1 necessarily but the season as a whole. Normally logic would dictate a heavy dose of running once a team has a huge lead, I'm not entirely sure this is the case with the Colts. Would the Colts risk an injury to Addai? The problem here is if Addai were to get hurt the Colts probaly have the worst backup RB situation in the league. Do you think they would pull Addai out of the game and use on of their garbage backs in garbage time. An Addai injury to the Colts would be a huge disaster.

Injury risks are always prevelant on any down and on any play. Addai nearly found out on the first play. I really do not think there is any merit to the notion that guy carrying the ball during garbage time is any more of a risk of injury than say the first carry. You really can't predict these things. Outside of what Dungy did (2 years ago I think) by resting some players for the last 2 games there really isn't much a coach can do to protect his players. They have to play every down at 100% in order to protect themelves. Coaches really can't be too concerned about it.With that said, I'm sure if they have a lead late they will play the percentages on milking the cloack. And I'm sure that means using more than just Addai. But keep this in mind: If you were the coach, how many times are you handing off to a guy that's never played in the NFL? I think he gets some but Addai should easily see 320+ carries this year along with 50+ catches.

If that is the case Addai cold see a gurney too!

Can you explain? I hope you're not suggesting that 320 carries will cause him injury.