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I watched carefully in the Week 3 game against Detroit.

Man, did he look good. Rushing, receiving, catching dumpoffs from Manning. Doing a bit of everything.

I'm starting to think long and hard about him at #3. I know that LJ and Gore are the consensus picks at #3, but that Indy Offense with a RB that can run and catch like Addai is just going to be a monster.

 
I watched carefully in the Week 3 game against Detroit.Man, did he look good. Rushing, receiving, catching dumpoffs from Manning. Doing a bit of everything.I'm starting to think long and hard about him at #3. I know that LJ and Gore are the consensus picks at #3, but that Indy Offense with a RB that can run and catch like Addai is just going to be a monster.
My big concern with Addai is what percent of the workload he is going to get. And the concern goes two ways:1. Indy's repeated stressed Addai will not appraoch the workload of Edgerrin James up through 2005. So how much does he get rested in a RBBC-type way?2. Having never shouldered the load in the NFL, and not really been a true workhorse even at LSU, might he be overworked leading to injury or poor late-season numbers?So he could be used either too much or too early. If I'm going to be drafting Addai in the top 4-5 picks, Tom Moore needs to use him like Goldilocks -- just right.
 
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He did look good, but one has to remember that the Lions have absolutely zero defense, and he's not used to carrying a full workload. Yet.

 
I personally have Addai as #3 (LT, Sjax, Addai, Gore, L.J.) - He plays on the best offensive team in the NFL and also has the best fantasy QB - he is a runner and a receiver. Indy will be in the redzone, presumably, more often (or as often) as any other team in the league. Anytime they get first & goal, Addai will get 2 opportunities for a TD. He has less risk than either LJ or Gore, IMO.

 
On a positive note, Indy doesn't have anyone that's even remotely good enough to handle a significant portion of the load. Dorsey is pedestrian and I don't think Kenton Keith is any better.

On the downside, the Lions defense is just flat out terrible. Jacksonville, Tennessee & Houston are a different story. That said, I still really like Addai. He's in a great offense with no competition. My only concern would be the loss of Glenn.

 
Joe Addai is going to get his work. Manning looked for him alot tonite. I wouldn't blame anyone for taking him at #3. He is in such a good situation.

 
Addai is in a situation where he could put up Top 3 RB numbers and is a lock for Top 10. With Manning looking for him he could be a monster this year. I'd take Addai at the 3rd pick because I'm not confident in Gore's injury past and the Chiefs overall offense bumps my stock on LJ to the 4th best RB.

 
bocksheesh said:
I watched carefully in the Week 3 game against Detroit.Man, did he look good. Rushing, receiving, catching dumpoffs from Manning. Doing a bit of everything.I'm starting to think long and hard about him at #3. I know that LJ and Gore are the consensus picks at #3, but that Indy Offense with a RB that can run and catch like Addai is just going to be a monster.
If you are going to make drastic changes to FF standard rankings then be sure to grab no. 4 WR Taye Biddle of CAR in the early rounds, as he had 108 yards and 2 TDs in one game.In other words, ignore pre-season action of any kind, except whether a player is playing or not if there is/was an injury concern.Von
 
Addai is in a situation where he could put up Top 3 RB numbers and is a lock for Top 10. With Manning looking for him he could be a monster this year. I'd take Addai at the 3rd pick because I'm not confident in Gore's injury past and the Chiefs overall offense bumps my stock on LJ to the 4th best RB.
My how things change in a year. Last year LJ was consensus #1, Gore wasn't im most Top 20s. and Addai was even further..Is Addai in an ideal situation? Yes, no doubt about it, but I think The Jerk and Penguin bring up 2 of the biggest points, aka downsides, on Addai, which is the fact that Tarik Glenn the pro bowl LT is gone and that Addai has never in his career been a workload RB. I think another very important point is that the Colts lost quite a few good players this last offseason, esp on defense, and I don't expect them to win as many games, or very many games by more than 10 points. In games that are close or that they are down, Addai certainly will not be getting the ball as muchTo re-assess, I don't hate Addai, but I wouldn't touch him until pick 8, when the consensus top 4 are gone, as well as FWP, Rudi, and a guy who I think has less risk and more upside than Addai, Travis Henry.
 
Addai is in a situation where he could put up Top 3 RB numbers and is a lock for Top 10. With Manning looking for him he could be a monster this year. I'd take Addai at the 3rd pick because I'm not confident in Gore's injury past and the Chiefs overall offense bumps my stock on LJ to the 4th best RB.
This is why 'guppies' win so many FF Superbowls. The 'sharks' are so in love with "potential" that they let proven, productive players pass...Where are the Cadillac Williams, LeMont Jordans, and Chester Taylors ranked this season? How excited would you have been if you were able to draft two of them last year? All the while, the 'guppies' picked up the likes of Rudi Johnson (late 1st) and Brian Westbrook (mid 2nd)...And now you are actually talking 3rd over-all. :) Von
 
Addai is in a situation where he could put up Top 3 RB numbers and is a lock for Top 10. With Manning looking for him he could be a monster this year. I'd take Addai at the 3rd pick because I'm not confident in Gore's injury past and the Chiefs overall offense bumps my stock on LJ to the 4th best RB.
This is why 'guppies' win so many FF Superbowls. The 'sharks' are so in love with "potential" that they let proven, productive players pass...Where are the Cadillac Williams, LeMont Jordans, and Chester Taylors ranked this season? How excited would you have been if you were able to draft two of them last year? All the while, the 'guppies' picked up the likes of Rudi Johnson (late 1st) and Brian Westbrook (mid 2nd)...And now you are actually talking 3rd over-all. :) Von
:excited: Which one are you?
 
I wouldn't draft Gore in my top 12 either. I just would draft LT at 1-1. I would draft Addai at 1-3 behind SJax and before LJ at 1-4. So don't worry. I'm drinking the Kool-Aid too just not as much as you. Your views on my dynasty dilemma would be appreciated in the dynasty thread or in Assistant Coach.

 
I wouldn't draft Gore in my top 12 either. I just would draft LT at 1-1. I would draft Addai at 1-3 behind SJax and before LJ at 1-4. So don't worry. I'm drinking the Kool-Aid too just not as much as you. Your views on my dynasty dilemma would be appreciated in the dynasty thread or in Assistant Coach.
On my way. :)
 
You have my Addai kool-aid. LT 3rd or lower? Too much Addai kool-aid for you.
So LT finishes 1st one time and everyone thinks he's a lock to do it again? I also have Gore ranked outside the top 12, I'm sure he's a lock at #4 since he had one good year, right?
do you have any openings in this league?
If you promise to take last year's #1 every year at #1, you are more than welcome in any league I'm in.
 
You have my Addai kool-aid. LT 3rd or lower? Too much Addai kool-aid for you.
So LT finishes 1st one time and everyone thinks he's a lock to do it again? I also have Gore ranked outside the top 12, I'm sure he's a lock at #4 since he had one good year, right?
You don't even have to believe that LT is a lock for #1 to take him there. He represents the least risk of all the others.He hasn't finished out of the top 3 for 5 years running. He plays every week. Catches a MINIMUM of 50 passes and has TD's in the double digits every year. Predicting who is going to finish in exact order may be impossible, but I would bet on LT every time to be in the top 1-5. Can you say that about anyone else?
 
You have my Addai kool-aid. LT 3rd or lower? Too much Addai kool-aid for you.
So LT finishes 1st one time and everyone thinks he's a lock to do it again? I also have Gore ranked outside the top 12, I'm sure he's a lock at #4 since he had one good year, right?
You don't even have to believe that LT is a lock for #1 to take him there. He represents the least risk of all the others.He hasn't finished out of the top 3 for 5 years running. He plays every week. Catches a MINIMUM of 50 passes and has TD's in the double digits every year. Predicting who is going to finish in exact order may be impossible, but I would bet on LT every time to be in the top 1-5. Can you say that about anyone else?
There are many factors into why I don't have LT as my #1. You make a solid case but I cannot rank him as my #1 or my #2 this year. I see SD moving to a slightly different offense this year as Rivers grows into being the leader of the team. They haven't had a decent #1 WR to go along with LT/Gates but now they have players that they hope will become just that. With SD having a fairly easy schedule and with the stigma of being a team that cannot win a playoff game, I don't see LT being pushed to perform the way he did last year (or even close to it). Factor in that SD is not going to let Turner go without at least a decent look, (no, I don't count his garbage time yards as a decent look at what he offers) and I don't see LT being worth the #1 overall pick.
 
Addai is in a situation where he could put up Top 3 RB numbers and is a lock for Top 10. With Manning looking for him he could be a monster this year. I'd take Addai at the 3rd pick because I'm not confident in Gore's injury past and the Chiefs overall offense bumps my stock on LJ to the 4th best RB.
This is why 'guppies' win so many FF Superbowls. The 'sharks' are so in love with "potential" that they let proven, productive players pass...Where are the Cadillac Williams, LeMont Jordans, and Chester Taylors ranked this season? How excited would you have been if you were able to draft two of them last year? All the while, the 'guppies' picked up the likes of Rudi Johnson (late 1st) and Brian Westbrook (mid 2nd)...And now you are actually talking 3rd over-all. :) Von
Cadillac Williams, Lamont Jordan and Taylor were nowhere near in a situation like Addai is right now. Addai put up solid numbers splitting time, and defenses can't key on him at all. He's a good reciever as well, which is huge in that offense. You'd seriously take Rudi Johnson over Addai? What about proven rbs like Alexander that busted hard last year and Curtis Martin the year before? Draft to win, not to avoid losing.
 
Tomlinson had 15 MORE TDs than everyone not named Larry Johnson last season. Even if LT suffers a 25% dropoff from that, which would be significant, thats still far more production than anyone else. Not taking Tomlinson #1 is something that simply has to be seen rather than heard. Respecting everyone's individual rankings/preferences/opinions, I would absolutely laugh someone out of the room who didnt take him first overall.

Its all about value. If you have the #1 pick and wanted to take Addai over Tomlinson, you'd atleast be smart to trade down to 4 or 5, get an extra pick, then take him. Being a maverick about predictions is certainly cool. I just cant say that its particularly smart.

 
You have my Addai kool-aid. LT 3rd or lower? Too much Addai kool-aid for you.
So LT finishes 1st one time and everyone thinks he's a lock to do it again? I also have Gore ranked outside the top 12, I'm sure he's a lock at #4 since he had one good year, right?
You don't even have to believe that LT is a lock for #1 to take him there. He represents the least risk of all the others.He hasn't finished out of the top 3 for 5 years running. He plays every week. Catches a MINIMUM of 50 passes and has TD's in the double digits every year. Predicting who is going to finish in exact order may be impossible, but I would bet on LT every time to be in the top 1-5. Can you say that about anyone else?
There are many factors into why I don't have LT as my #1. You make a solid case but I cannot rank him as my #1 or my #2 this year. I see SD moving to a slightly different offense this year as Rivers grows into being the leader of the team. They haven't had a decent #1 WR to go along with LT/Gates but now they have players that they hope will become just that. With SD having a fairly easy schedule and with the stigma of being a team that cannot win a playoff game, I don't see LT being pushed to perform the way he did last year (or even close to it). Factor in that SD is not going to let Turner go without at least a decent look, (no, I don't count his garbage time yards as a decent look at what he offers) and I don't see LT being worth the #1 overall pick.
Overanalysis at it's finest. Rivers the leader of the team over LT? You've gotta be joking. Here's what you need to know about LT.1) He's the best running back in the NFL. (I don't think this is even close)2) He runs behind the best offensive line in the NFL. (I don't think this is even close)3)The Chargers have the best offense in the NFL. (They were conservative and scored 492 points)So if the NFL's best running back(if not best overall player) playing behing the NFL's best offensive line with the NFL's best offense isn't worthy of the #1 pick who is and why?
 
You have my Addai kool-aid. LT 3rd or lower? Too much Addai kool-aid for you.
So LT finishes 1st one time and everyone thinks he's a lock to do it again? I also have Gore ranked outside the top 12, I'm sure he's a lock at #4 since he had one good year, right?
You don't even have to believe that LT is a lock for #1 to take him there. He represents the least risk of all the others.He hasn't finished out of the top 3 for 5 years running. He plays every week. Catches a MINIMUM of 50 passes and has TD's in the double digits every year. Predicting who is going to finish in exact order may be impossible, but I would bet on LT every time to be in the top 1-5. Can you say that about anyone else?
There are many factors into why I don't have LT as my #1. You make a solid case but I cannot rank him as my #1 or my #2 this year. I see SD moving to a slightly different offense this year as Rivers grows into being the leader of the team. They haven't had a decent #1 WR to go along with LT/Gates but now they have players that they hope will become just that. With SD having a fairly easy schedule and with the stigma of being a team that cannot win a playoff game, I don't see LT being pushed to perform the way he did last year (or even close to it). Factor in that SD is not going to let Turner go without at least a decent look, (no, I don't count his garbage time yards as a decent look at what he offers) and I don't see LT being worth the #1 overall pick.
Overanalysis at it's finest. Rivers the leader of the team over LT? You've gotta be joking. Here's what you need to know about LT.1) He's the best running back in the NFL. (I don't think this is even close)2) He runs behind the best offensive line in the NFL. (I don't think this is even close)3)The Chargers have the best offense in the NFL. (They were conservative and scored 492 points)So if the NFL's best running back(if not best overall player) playing behing the NFL's best offensive line with the NFL's best offense isn't worthy of the #1 pick who is and why?
I'd beg to differ about them having the best offense. I'll agree on your other points. One year of great production doesn't mean they are the best. The Colts offense is just as good, if not better than the Chargers.
 
right...not the best offense....just the best player. Thats why you take him #1. You put Tomlinson on about 7 or 8 other teams, and they'd have the league's best offense.

 
I think another very important point is that the Colts lost quite a few good players this last offseason, esp on defense, and I don't expect them to win as many games, or very many games by more than 10 points. In games that are close or that they are down, Addai certainly will not be getting the ball as much
If there's one thing clear to me in the pre-season, it is that the Colts D will be better than last season. And by quite a bit.1. If Bob Sanders plays more than 4 games in the regular season, that's an improvement.

2. Freddy Keiaho >>>> Cato June. It is just plain obvious to anyone who watches him play.

3. Marlin Jackson looks great at one corner - he's having a great pre-season. Both he and Hayden can tackle much better than their predecessors, which will help the run D a lot.

4. Antoine Bethea looks like he's taken the leap from rookie to a veteran - much better than he was last season.

5. Ed Johnson is a very pleasant surprise at DT. He has very good quickness, and for a Colt DT he's pretty big (296). I think he is at least part of the solution to replacing Booger.

6. The Colts won't start Gilbert Gardner in any games this season - he started 12 games last season and he was AWFUL at SSLB. Anyone over there is an improvement.

 
I like Addai a lot. But to say Addai is less of a risk than LJ is laughable. Even if you add Addai and Rhodes numbers from last year you can't get the production of LJ.

2007 LJ = 2199 total yards and 19 TDs

2007 Addai + Rhodes = 2298 total yards and 13 TDs

And you know that a RB doesn't get almost 100% of the carries in a year like the example of Addai + Rhodes so it is crazy to expect Addai, a kid who has never carried a full load to just take all of Rhodes stats this season. But even if you could translate all of Rhodes stats you can't equal LJ. And LJ's numbers were about equal 2 years straight. Talk about proven consistency.

The Kool Aid is thick in the fantasy football message board world. And I agree, this is why guppies win so many leagues. Those fantasy owners not visiting these boards would have no idea of the buzz surrounding Addai.

 
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oh, I forgot.....LJ loses his an olineman and the sky is falling, Indy loses his all pro left tackle and no big deal we will just get the same production out of a rookie 2nd round pick.

 
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I think another very important point is that the Colts lost quite a few good players this last offseason, esp on defense, and I don't expect them to win as many games, or very many games by more than 10 points. In games that are close or that they are down, Addai certainly will not be getting the ball as much
If there's one thing clear to me in the pre-season, it is that the Colts D will be better than last season. And by quite a bit.1. If Bob Sanders plays more than 4 games in the regular season, that's an improvement.

2. Freddy Keiaho >>>> Cato June. It is just plain obvious to anyone who watches him play.

3. Marlin Jackson looks great at one corner - he's having a great pre-season. Both he and Hayden can tackle much better than their predecessors, which will help the run D a lot.

4. Antoine Bethea looks like he's taken the leap from rookie to a veteran - much better than he was last season.

5. Ed Johnson is a very pleasant surprise at DT. He has very good quickness, and for a Colt DT he's pretty big (296). I think he is at least part of the solution to replacing Booger.

6. The Colts won't start Gilbert Gardner in any games this season - he started 12 games last season and he was AWFUL at SSLB. Anyone over there is an improvement.
Must be a Colts fan.It's preseason so temper your enthusiasm over the young guys. It's when the bullets start flying in the regular season that experience from a guy like June will be missed.
Yeah, I'll miss June being dragged by the ball carrier for 5 extra yards every other carry. Tackling is much better than last year - it is obvious - and the main thing I was looking for in preseason.
 
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Addai is in a situation where he could put up Top 3 RB numbers and is a lock for Top 10. With Manning looking for him he could be a monster this year. I'd take Addai at the 3rd pick because I'm not confident in Gore's injury past and the Chiefs overall offense bumps my stock on LJ to the 4th best RB.
This is why 'guppies' win so many FF Superbowls. The 'sharks' are so in love with "potential" that they let proven, productive players pass...Where are the Cadillac Williams, LeMont Jordans, and Chester Taylors ranked this season? How excited would you have been if you were able to draft two of them last year? All the while, the 'guppies' picked up the likes of Rudi Johnson (late 1st) and Brian Westbrook (mid 2nd)...And now you are actually talking 3rd over-all. :confused: Von
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I think another very important point is that the Colts lost quite a few good players this last offseason, esp on defense, and I don't expect them to win as many games, or very many games by more than 10 points. In games that are close or that they are down, Addai certainly will not be getting the ball as much
If there's one thing clear to me in the pre-season, it is that the Colts D will be better than last season. And by quite a bit.1. If Bob Sanders plays more than 4 games in the regular season, that's an improvement.

2. Freddy Keiaho >>>> Cato June. It is just plain obvious to anyone who watches him play.

3. Marlin Jackson looks great at one corner - he's having a great pre-season. Both he and Hayden can tackle much better than their predecessors, which will help the run D a lot.

4. Antoine Bethea looks like he's taken the leap from rookie to a veteran - much better than he was last season.

5. Ed Johnson is a very pleasant surprise at DT. He has very good quickness, and for a Colt DT he's pretty big (296). I think he is at least part of the solution to replacing Booger.

6. The Colts won't start Gilbert Gardner in any games this season - he started 12 games last season and he was AWFUL at SSLB. Anyone over there is an improvement.
Must be a Colts fan.It's preseason so temper your enthusiasm over the young guys. It's when the bullets start flying in the regular season that experience from a guy like June will be missed.
Yeah, I'll miss June being dragged by the ball carrier for 5 extra yards every other carry. Tackling is much better than last year - it is obvious - and the main thing I was looking for in preseason.
:goodposting: I agree 100% with dj here. Some might want to listen to Colts homers occasionally.
 
oh, I forgot.....LJ loses his an olineman and the sky is falling, Indy loses his all pro left tackle and no big deal we will just get the same production out of a rookie 2nd round pick.
:unsure: The Colts line took a much bigger hit than the Chiefs line, but yet Addai doesn't get moved down the rankings. Just tells me people are looking for reasons to move LJ down.
 
I like Addai a lot. But to say Addai is less of a risk than LJ is laughable. Even if you add Addai and Rhodes numbers from last year you can't get the production of LJ.2007 LJ = 2199 total yards and 19 TDs2007 Addai + Rhodes = 2298 total yards and 13 TDsAnd you know that a RB doesn't get almost 100% of the carries in a year like the example of Addai + Rhodes so it is crazy to expect Addai, a kid who has never carried a full load to just take all of Rhodes stats this season. But even if you could translate all of Rhodes stats you can't equal LJ. And LJ's numbers were about equal 2 years straight. Talk about proven consistency.The Kool Aid is thick in the fantasy football message board world. And I agree, this is why guppies win so many leagues. Those fantasy owners not visiting these boards would have no idea of the buzz surrounding Addai.
Maybe in this case. But the fantasy owners not visiting these boards last year had no idea of the buzz surrounding Gore.
 
You have my Addai kool-aid. LT 3rd or lower? Too much Addai kool-aid for you.
So LT finishes 1st one time and everyone thinks he's a lock to do it again? I also have Gore ranked outside the top 12, I'm sure he's a lock at #4 since he had one good year, right?
You don't even have to believe that LT is a lock for #1 to take him there. He represents the least risk of all the others.He hasn't finished out of the top 3 for 5 years running. He plays every week. Catches a MINIMUM of 50 passes and has TD's in the double digits every year. Predicting who is going to finish in exact order may be impossible, but I would bet on LT every time to be in the top 1-5. Can you say that about anyone else?
There are many factors into why I don't have LT as my #1. You make a solid case but I cannot rank him as my #1 or my #2 this year. I see SD moving to a slightly different offense this year as Rivers grows into being the leader of the team. They haven't had a decent #1 WR to go along with LT/Gates but now they have players that they hope will become just that. With SD having a fairly easy schedule and with the stigma of being a team that cannot win a playoff game, I don't see LT being pushed to perform the way he did last year (or even close to it). Factor in that SD is not going to let Turner go without at least a decent look, (no, I don't count his garbage time yards as a decent look at what he offers) and I don't see LT being worth the #1 overall pick.
I definitely agree with the person who said you should trade down if you really feel Addai will outperform LT and LJ. There aren't very many who would agree with you, so why no pick up an extra pick. I have a hard time understanding why you would think that the SD offense would change to a pass first offense. Have you looked at the stats of RB's who have been under Norv? Also, if you are worried about a focus on the QB and the passing game, I certainly can't understand why you would be confident in a 2nd year RB who plays behind Manning. :)
 
I think another very important point is that the Colts lost quite a few good players this last offseason, esp on defense, and I don't expect them to win as many games, or very many games by more than 10 points. In games that are close or that they are down, Addai certainly will not be getting the ball as much
If there's one thing clear to me in the pre-season, it is that the Colts D will be better than last season. And by quite a bit.1. If Bob Sanders plays more than 4 games in the regular season, that's an improvement.

2. Freddy Keiaho >>>> Cato June. It is just plain obvious to anyone who watches him play.

3. Marlin Jackson looks great at one corner - he's having a great pre-season. Both he and Hayden can tackle much better than their predecessors, which will help the run D a lot.

4. Antoine Bethea looks like he's taken the leap from rookie to a veteran - much better than he was last season.

5. Ed Johnson is a very pleasant surprise at DT. He has very good quickness, and for a Colt DT he's pretty big (296). I think he is at least part of the solution to replacing Booger.

6. The Colts won't start Gilbert Gardner in any games this season - he started 12 games last season and he was AWFUL at SSLB. Anyone over there is an improvement.
Must be a Colts fan.It's preseason so temper your enthusiasm over the young guys. It's when the bullets start flying in the regular season that experience from a guy like June will be missed.
Yeah, I'll miss June being dragged by the ball carrier for 5 extra yards every other carry. Tackling is much better than last year - it is obvious - and the main thing I was looking for in preseason.
:) I agree 100% with dj here. Some might want to listen to Colts homers occasionally.
agreed . . .It's funny when the national media and others talk about what a big loss June was . . . ask TB how they like June in November . . .

 
Hearing talk from several friends who recently did their drafts. Addai is going as high as #3 now? Over Gore and LJ.

Anyone else hearing this?

Where did all the excitement over Addai come from?

 

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