Joseph Addai (1 Viewer)

[stbugs]

Addai will have a few games that will reward his owners. That's bound to happen when he's the feature back in an explosive offense.

I'd be willing to bet that he isn't the starter in Indy next year, though. I'm pretty sure the management will figure out that they need a special back in that offense. The kind of back who will be a threat against good defenses, as well. Addai isn't that back. He's serviceable and his end-of-year totals will be decent, but a true contender, at least one which relies so heavily on it's offensive output, has to have a back who can get it done against anybody. The playoffs are loaded with teams with good defenses.

There are so many things wrong with this posting I don't even know where to begin. Apart from anything else though, given the Colts spent a first round pick on Addai a couple of years ago and his production so far has been excellent, it would be completely out of character for Bill Polian to spend a bunch of $$$ or a high draft choice on another RB when they have other pressing needs.

I disagree. The Colts offense has been anemic this year and Addai's lack-of-production is a huge reason. While they may, in fact, have other pressing needs, Polian isn't so stubborn that he won't admit that he may have misjudged Addai's talent and move on. With Manning/Wayne and Co. posing the air threat, there are dozens and dozens of backs who could surpass Addai's output in that offense.

The OL is the main reason. Period. They are starting late-round rookies and former practice squad players right now. The highest round players that finished the game on the OL and TE combined is a former 4th rounder. Seriously - think about that.

The Patriots won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago with late-round picks and castoffs on the offensive line.

Were they ALL late round picks? How many rookies and 1st year players?

Just turn it around and look at Manning. He hasn't been up to par, but he missed all of pre-season and is still hurt to some degree. He just hasn't been anemic, he has done decent. That is what you expect of a stud at the position, to still be effective, but not great. Addai has a 2.4 ypc average against one great run defense and one bad one. He also has the benefit of people paying a lot more attention to Manning, Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalez and Clark.As people have mentioned above, when the top talent-wise RBs played behind bad OLs with pee-ons for QBs (i.e. Sullivan vs. Manning), they still are effective. They might not light the world on fire in a single game, but they still are effective for a long stretch. I was amazed that over the last 11 games, Addai has a 3.1 ypc average. That is atrocious considering he is absolutely not even close to the main focus of the opposing teams.

By the way, do you see the Colts offensive line suddenly improving or are we seeing the Chiefs/Larry Johnson type situation where a dominant OL starts to fall apart and the RB starts looking bad?

 

[djcolts]

Addai will have a few games that will reward his owners. That's bound to happen when he's the feature back in an explosive offense.

I'd be willing to bet that he isn't the starter in Indy next year, though. I'm pretty sure the management will figure out that they need a special back in that offense. The kind of back who will be a threat against good defenses, as well. Addai isn't that back. He's serviceable and his end-of-year totals will be decent, but a true contender, at least one which relies so heavily on it's offensive output, has to have a back who can get it done against anybody. The playoffs are loaded with teams with good defenses.

There are so many things wrong with this posting I don't even know where to begin. Apart from anything else though, given the Colts spent a first round pick on Addai a couple of years ago and his production so far has been excellent, it would be completely out of character for Bill Polian to spend a bunch of $$$ or a high draft choice on another RB when they have other pressing needs.

I disagree. The Colts offense has been anemic this year and Addai's lack-of-production is a huge reason. While they may, in fact, have other pressing needs, Polian isn't so stubborn that he won't admit that he may have misjudged Addai's talent and move on. With Manning/Wayne and Co. posing the air threat, there are dozens and dozens of backs who could surpass Addai's output in that offense.

The OL is the main reason. Period. They are starting late-round rookies and former practice squad players right now. The highest round players that finished the game on the OL and TE combined is a former 4th rounder. Seriously - think about that.

The Patriots won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago with late-round picks and castoffs on the offensive line.

Were they ALL late round picks? How many rookies and 1st year players?

Just turn it around and look at Manning. He hasn't been up to par, but he missed all of pre-season and is still hurt to some degree. He just hasn't been anemic, he has done decent. That is what you expect of a stud at the position, to still be effective, but not great. Addai has a 2.4 ypc average against one great run defense and one bad one. He also has the benefit of people paying a lot more attention to Manning, Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalez and Clark.As people have mentioned above, when the top talent-wise RBs played behind bad OLs with pee-ons for QBs (i.e. Sullivan vs. Manning), they still are effective. They might not light the world on fire in a single game, but they still are effective for a long stretch. I was amazed that over the last 11 games, Addai has a 3.1 ypc average. That is atrocious considering he is absolutely not even close to the main focus of the opposing teams.

By the way, do you see the Colts offensive line suddenly improving or are we seeing the Chiefs/Larry Johnson type situation where a dominant OL starts to fall apart and the RB starts looking bad?

By week 6 it will be much better. Lilja goes off up PUP, Saturday will be playing by then, Ugoh should be back - Mike Pollak will be able to contribute. But, it will be ugly this week, too - and then the bye. Maybe they do decently against Houston, then a tough matchup against the Titans. After that - it should get better because of health.

 

[packersfan]

If Addai is a great RB, he better be more than "decent" against the Texans. Houston had a below-average run defense last season and Willie Parker tore them up in Week 1.

 

[nzranger]

I traded Boldin for Addai last week in a Keeper league and i'm not upset about it at all, other than I probably could have traded Holt for him today.

No football for Manning except in the last 2 weeks and no Saturday? I'll take my chances that things are right come the FF playoffs. (where they play CIN, DET and JAX btw..)

 

[fruity pebbles]

What i saw from watching the game. Colts o-line was absolutely brutal. One of the worst performances ive seen in the last year. Jared Allen was turning the LT tackle completely around on more plays than not. Guy was trying to block him with his rear end he was so out of position. On one play i remember, the right guard was running to thr right on a sweep to block the DE and ran right by him. Didnt even touch him. Guy ran in un touched and tackled Addai as he got the ball for a 5-6 yard loss. Most plays Addai didnt even have a chance. He's definitely not a tackle breaker, usually went down on the first hit. Pretty eveident that he needs an opening or some space to use his abilities. When give that space he's quite good but he's not going to make his own. That said he did look like he was running much harder towards the end of the game. One play in parrticular his helmet got knocked clean off and he still fought for yardage as guys were nailing him.

 

[switz]

What i saw from watching the game. Colts o-line was absolutely brutal. One of the worst performances ive seen in the last year. Jared Allen was turning the LT tackle completely around on more plays than not. Guy was trying to block him with his rear end he was so out of position. On one play i remember, the right guard was running to thr right on a sweep to block the DE and ran right by him. Didnt even touch him. Guy ran in un touched and tackled Addai as he got the ball for a 5-6 yard loss. Most plays Addai didnt even have a chance. He's definitely not a tackle breaker, usually went down on the first hit. Pretty eveident that he needs an opening or some space to use his abilities. When give that space he's quite good but he's not going to make his own. That said he did look like he was running much harder towards the end of the game. One play in parrticular his helmet got knocked clean off and he still fought for yardage as guys were nailing him.

The OL is a mess. And one additional problem is that Manning's knee is not 100% and it causes issues on the stretch play handoff... it was even commented on in one of the news articles recently. The Colts O on the whole looked awful for three quarters yesterday. It really wouldn't matter WHO was back there...People are oversimplifying matters when comparing OLs or QBs... bottom line is even if it were the most talented bunch, the way that OL has been playing, all of them should be waived. Another thing is that the Colts OL coach is out like a month with knee surgery and hasn't been able to really coach them on the field at all.The problem isn't really with Addai, he's trying. On his TD he really had to push to get in, as he was hit immediately. The only issue I have with his running, which make him an easier tackle is his jump cuts... with the pressure that is getting through, the jump cuts don't work. But that's it. That's his biggest flaw.

 

[ThePittbully]

The guy is overrated, Ive been saying it since he was drafted...people are going to figure it out sooner or later

 

[Kiddnets]

would you rather have a lesser talent like Addai in a good offense like Indy or a better talent like S JAx on a train wreck offense like S Jax? I'd take Addai every time!

 

[madd futher]

I just traded R Moss, C Perry, and L White for him. Are all of you telling me that I got screwed?

 

[hostile]

I just traded R Moss, C Perry, and L White for him. Are all of you telling me that I got screwed?

No way Addai is worth that much...

 

[wolfie]

Traded Holt and LJ for him him, in a 14 team ppr league. Will be flipping Roddy White and Bruce at wr2, but believe Addai is a big upgrade over(no catch, herminated) LJ.

 

[Kiddnets]

traded S Jax and DeSean JAx in a 2 yr keeper league for Addai and Roy Williams - both S JAx and Addai are FAs after this year - pretty happy about it. For you guys complaining about Addai - check out S JAx!!!

 

[switz]

The guy is overrated, Ive been saying it since he was drafted...people are going to figure it out sooner or later

And you've been wrong all along.

 

[switz]

Addai has a 2.4 ypc average against one great run defense and one bad one. He also has the benefit of people paying a lot more attention to Manning, Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalez and Clark.

Actually, you have that backwards... the first few weeks of the season, defenses have been selling out to stop Addai, and daring Manning to throw on them with his bad knee. Manning has been rather ineffective, he can't really plant well, and they can't run their stretch play in the running game because his knee is nowhere near better. I think Manning is one of the best QBs to ever play the game, but this season he has been awful.

 

[switz]

Week 3, Manning still struggling, Saturday returns meaning only THREE of the OL are scrubs, and the holes were far and few between... Addai averages 4.9 YPC and scores 2 TDs.

Yeah... I guess he sucks.

 

[Otis]

Always felt he's been overrated in fantasy circles.

Still feel this way.

 

[lion_crazz]

Man, Addai really had that off week that everyone talked about. That guy is so overrated!

(sarcasm)

 

[packersfan]

The good news about Addai is his fantasy production is trending in the right direction. He's improved his production every game so far. It's likely the Colts' offense will get better as the season goes along and not worse so that bodes well for Addai as well. If his poor first two weeks didn't bury his owners, there's still time for him to be the foundation of a championship team his owners were expecting when they made him a Top 5 pick this season.

 

[switz]

Always felt he's been overrated in fantasy circles.

Still feel this way.

Would anything change your mind?

 

[TheFanatic]

I just traded R Moss, C Perry, and L White for him. Are all of you telling me that I got screwed?

No way Addai is worth that much...

Depends on the league. Pure keeper, this might be OK. Lendale is hit or miss every week. Moss is up there in age and Cassel can't seem to get him the ball. Perry, who knows before he goes down. I wouldn't have made the deal, but I don't think he got screwed if it were a pure keeper...

 

[Otis]

Always felt he's been overrated in fantasy circles.

Still feel this way.

Would anything change your mind?

Probably not. I've watched him play enough and he's been in the league long enough that I don't think he is going to become a dramatically different player. He's not one of the top talents in the league at RB. He's decent. He's Rudi Johnson if Rudi were on the Colts.

 

[blackjack23]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

 

[EBF]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I'm not really convinced that he's better than guys like Thomas Jones, Michael Turner, Ladell Betts, Fred Taylor, Willie Parker, Ricky Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Rashard Mendenhall, Willis McGahee, or DeAngelo Williams. You put any competent RB in that Indy system and you're going to get solid FF production.

 

[Otis]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I'm not really convinced that he's better than guys like Thomas Jones, Michael Turner, Ladell Betts, Fred Taylor, Willie Parker, Ricky Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Rashard Mendenhall, Willis McGahee, or DeAngelo Williams. You put any competent RB in that Indy system and you're going to get solid FF production.

Precisely. He's definitely not, in my view, a better running back than some of these guys (particularly at least Turner, Parker, Mcgahee, Ricky). Of the starting RBs in the league he's somewhere in the bottom half, and I suspect if I tried I could name 10 backups who I also think are more talented.He's doing just fine, but some backs in that system would be lights-out.

 

[blackjack23]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I'm not really convinced that he's better than guys like Thomas Jones, Michael Turner, Ladell Betts, Fred Taylor, Willie Parker, Ricky Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Rashard Mendenhall, Willis McGahee, or DeAngelo Williams. You put any competent RB in that Indy system and you're going to get solid FF production.

These are laughable. The others I disagree but then again it all comes down to opinion.

 

[blackjack23]

If he was so average, why would INDY (a team that reloads on offense EVERY year) not draft a RB or sign a FA to split time with him?

 

[EBF]

If he was so average, why would INDY (a team that reloads on offense EVERY year) not draft a RB or sign a FA to split time with him?

Based on what I've seen, Indy builds through the draft and uses a "leave it alone" approach with its roster. They're not constantly itching to shake up the roster like the Raiders, Broncos, and Redskins. They're more like the Steelers: draft well, retain your key players, and don't splurge for big name free agents. Addai hasn't been so horrible that the team is in desperate need of a replacement. He's just very average.

 

[Jedimaster21]

The guy is overrated, Ive been saying it since he was drafted...people are going to figure it out sooner or later

And you've been wrong all along.

Actually, no he hasn't. Addai has most likely been drafted in the top 5 in dynasty drafts the last two years, and he just hasn't displayed the talent that you have always claimed. The significant arguments that I have had against Addai involve a lack of elite talent and inability to handle a full NFL work load. Before the 2006 season you were claiming that he had elite talent and he would get 350 carries. You have dropped off from that, but you can only make so many excuses for the guy. He just isn't that good, and he isn't a traditional workhorse like you hoped he would be (despite all evidence to the contrary from his college production).

Always felt he's been overrated in fantasy circles.

Still feel this way.

Would anything change your mind?

Probably not. I've watched him play enough and he's been in the league long enough that I don't think he is going to become a dramatically different player. He's not one of the top talents in the league at RB. He's decent. He's Rudi Johnson if Rudi were on the Colts.

Well said.

 

[switz]

The guy is overrated, Ive been saying it since he was drafted...people are going to figure it out sooner or later

And you've been wrong all along.

Actually, no he hasn't. Addai has most likely been drafted in the top 5 in dynasty drafts the last two years, and he just hasn't displayed the talent that you have always claimed. The significant arguments that I have had against Addai involve a lack of elite talent and inability to handle a full NFL work load. Before the 2006 season you were claiming that he had elite talent and he would get 350 carries. You have dropped off from that, but you can only make so many excuses for the guy. He just isn't that good, and he isn't a traditional workhorse like you hoped he would be (despite all evidence to the contrary from his college production).

Unfortunately for all the Addai doubters, the only timeframe you could use to determine what Addai can/cannot do, is the first half of last season. Prior to that he was sharing with Rhodes and being introduced to the complex Indy system. After that he had a terrible OL and the team was a mess health-wise. The only level playing field he's had was the first half of last season. And in that first half he played as an elite RB, good enough that he finish in the top-5 in most leagues, despite playing sparingly through the last half of last season.Put ANY RB in that situation, and see what they do? Well, some here LOVE MJD - what did he do the first two weeks in a similar situation? LT averaged 3.6YPC his rookie season behind a crappy OL. Steven Jackson, who many claim is an elite talent, is averaging 3.2 YPC in STL this year. So no... that argument holds no water at all.

And through week 14, despite missing one game, Addai was on pace for over 320 carries... and their spelling him had nothing to do with him not being able to carry the load... that's just INDs way, they rest players toward the end of the season... and last year they were even more conservative seeing Harrison and most of the OL go down... plus Addai's missed game earlier in the season. So no - there's nothing in his NFL career to say he can't handle a full load.

The problem is the people wanting to argue that Addai isn't that good, completely ignore his situation when it's bad, and say he sucks... but then when his situation is even halfway decent, they give his situation all the credit. Addai hasn't been in a "good" situation since about week 5 of last year.

 

[switz]

If he was so average, why would INDY (a team that reloads on offense EVERY year) not draft a RB or sign a FA to split time with him?

They're more like the Steelers: draft well, retain your key players, and don't splurge for big name free agents.

And yet the Steelers drafted Mendenhall after Parker's poor season last year.The Colts have 100% faith in Addai. Read any article and all the blame for the running game has been put at the feet of the OL.

 

[RudeDog]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I just knew that would get a specific response since there are those here that HATE MJD

 

[switz]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I just knew that would get a specific response since there are those here that HATE MJD

I don't think any of the responses to that post had anything to do with MJDs inclusion...I do find it interesting that much of the criticism of Addai is based on his struggles since the time the OL fell to pieces, and yet Steven Jackson, averaging a whopping 3.2 YPC behind a bad OL this season is given a pass, and said to have more talent. Larry Johnson is on that list, and he's averaging 3.6 YPC over his last 11 games. And while I agree that LT is vastly superior to Addai, he averaged only 3.6 YPC his rookie season behind a bad OL.

And to address MJD - until facing the porous Colts D - he was averaging a whopping 2.5 YPC this season.

And yet, Addai's OL hasn't just been bad, it's been completely inept, a sieve, an open door. So how do these other "great" RBs get a pass for their piss poor OL, while Addai has to shoulder the blame for his team's OL?

Is it because Jackson and Johnson were viewed as talented when coming into the league, while the majority here did not view Addai as talented? There does seem to be some hypocrisy in arguing that Jackson and Johnson are more talented, when they have done just as poorly behind bad, yet better than Addai's, OLs....

And before anyone argues about Addai playing with the GOAT QB... can you really argue that Manning is even close to good this season? This past game he completed fewer than 50% of his passes, barely broke 200 yards, and tossed 2 INTs. Hardly good at all.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I just knew that would get a specific response since there are those here that HATE MJD

I don't think any of the responses to that post had anything to do with MJDs inclusion...I do find it interesting that much of the criticism of Addai is based on his struggles since the time the OL fell to pieces, and yet Steven Jackson, averaging a whopping 3.2 YPC behind a bad OL this season is given a pass, and said to have more talent. Larry Johnson is on that list, and he's averaging 3.6 YPC over his last 11 games. And while I agree that LT is vastly superior to Addai, he averaged only 3.6 YPC his rookie season behind a bad OL.

And to address MJD - until facing the porous Colts D - he was averaging a whopping 2.5 YPC this season.

And yet, Addai's OL hasn't just been bad, it's been completely inept, a sieve, an open door. So how do these other "great" RBs get a pass for their piss poor OL, while Addai has to shoulder the blame for his team's OL?

Is it because Jackson and Johnson were viewed as talented when coming into the league, while the majority here did not view Addai as talented? There does seem to be some hypocrisy in arguing that Jackson and Johnson are more talented, when they have done just as poorly behind bad, yet better than Addai's, OLs....

And before anyone argues about Addai playing with the GOAT QB... can you really argue that Manning is even close to good this season? This past game he completed fewer than 50% of his passes, barely broke 200 yards, and tossed 2 INTs. Hardly good at all.

I find it really interesting that Addai's poor numbers can be attributed to a line that is completely inept, yet the state of the Jaguars O-line isn't an excuse for Maurice Jones-Drew's numbers.

 

[RudeDog]

I have made that point before Mr. Brownstone, but switz ignored my statement and somehow used it as proof that I was a hypocrit

 

[switz]

Talking strictly talent, Id say these RBs are more talented than Addai right now (didnt include guys like Bush & Chris Johnson cuz theyre still unproven as an every down back).

Ronnie Brown

Marshawn Lynch

Maurice Jones Drew

Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Darren McFadden

Marion Barber

Brian Westbrook

Clinton Portis

Adrian peterson

Frank Gore

Steven Jackson

That would make him the 13th best every down RB in football. Not too shabby

I just knew that would get a specific response since there are those here that HATE MJD

I don't think any of the responses to that post had anything to do with MJDs inclusion...I do find it interesting that much of the criticism of Addai is based on his struggles since the time the OL fell to pieces, and yet Steven Jackson, averaging a whopping 3.2 YPC behind a bad OL this season is given a pass, and said to have more talent. Larry Johnson is on that list, and he's averaging 3.6 YPC over his last 11 games. And while I agree that LT is vastly superior to Addai, he averaged only 3.6 YPC his rookie season behind a bad OL.

And to address MJD - until facing the porous Colts D - he was averaging a whopping 2.5 YPC this season.

And yet, Addai's OL hasn't just been bad, it's been completely inept, a sieve, an open door. So how do these other "great" RBs get a pass for their piss poor OL, while Addai has to shoulder the blame for his team's OL?

Is it because Jackson and Johnson were viewed as talented when coming into the league, while the majority here did not view Addai as talented? There does seem to be some hypocrisy in arguing that Jackson and Johnson are more talented, when they have done just as poorly behind bad, yet better than Addai's, OLs....

And before anyone argues about Addai playing with the GOAT QB... can you really argue that Manning is even close to good this season? This past game he completed fewer than 50% of his passes, barely broke 200 yards, and tossed 2 INTs. Hardly good at all.

I find it really interesting that Addai's poor numbers can be attributed to a line that is completely inept, yet the state of the Jaguars O-line isn't an excuse for Maurice Jones-Drew's numbers.

That was exactly my point... MJD, SJax, and LJ are all struggling behind poor lines - yet no one is questioning their talent, rather acknowledging that RBs need good OLs to run behind. Why is it only Addai's talent is questioned?Maybe you weren't replying to me... or maybe I missed a thread where MJD was getting lambasted for his struggles.

 

[switz]

I have made that point before Mr. Brownstone, but switz ignored my statement and somehow used it as proof that I was a hypocrite

I never said you were a hypocrite, nor did I say MJD wasn't running behind a bad OL

 

[Jedimaster21]

The guy is overrated, Ive been saying it since he was drafted...people are going to figure it out sooner or later

And you've been wrong all along.

Actually, no he hasn't. Addai has most likely been drafted in the top 5 in dynasty drafts the last two years, and he just hasn't displayed the talent that you have always claimed. The significant arguments that I have had against Addai involve a lack of elite talent and inability to handle a full NFL work load. Before the 2006 season you were claiming that he had elite talent and he would get 350 carries. You have dropped off from that, but you can only make so many excuses for the guy. He just isn't that good, and he isn't a traditional workhorse like you hoped he would be (despite all evidence to the contrary from his college production).

Unfortunately for all the Addai doubters, the only timeframe you could use to determine what Addai can/cannot do, is the first half of last season. Prior to that he was sharing with Rhodes and being introduced to the complex Indy system. After that he had a terrible OL and the team was a mess health-wise. The only level playing field he's had was the first half of last season. And in that first half he played as an elite RB, good enough that he finish in the top-5 in most leagues, despite playing sparingly through the last half of last season.Put ANY RB in that situation, and see what they do? Well, some here LOVE MJD - what did he do the first two weeks in a similar situation? LT averaged 3.6YPC his rookie season behind a crappy OL. Steven Jackson, who many claim is an elite talent, is averaging 3.2 YPC in STL this year. So no... that argument holds no water at all.

And through week 14, despite missing one game, Addai was on pace for over 320 carries... and their spelling him had nothing to do with him not being able to carry the load... that's just INDs way, they rest players toward the end of the season... and last year they were even more conservative seeing Harrison and most of the OL go down... plus Addai's missed game earlier in the season. So no - there's nothing in his NFL career to say he can't handle a full load.

The problem is the people wanting to argue that Addai isn't that good, completely ignore his situation when it's bad, and say he sucks... but then when his situation is even halfway decent, they give his situation all the credit. Addai hasn't been in a "good" situation since about week 5 of last year.

Well, if he isn't that good when his situation is bad, and he is only good when his situation improves, wouldn't you say his success is due to his situation? That is Addai's problem (or one of them), is that his success is totally tied to situation due to his lack of elite talent. I have also mentioned his inability to carry the load as another problem, but that isn't related to the above argument. You are pointing to an 8 game stretch and ignoring the rest of a player's career. It is time to look at it a little more objectively.

 

[switz]

Well, if he isn't that good when his situation is bad, and he is only good when his situation improves, wouldn't you say his success is due to his situation? That is Addai's problem (or one of them), is that his success is totally tied to situation due to his lack of elite talent. I have also mentioned his inability to carry the load as another problem, but that isn't related to the above argument. You are pointing to an 8 game stretch and ignoring the rest of a player's career. It is time to look at it a little more objectively.

Sigh... fine. Then I would guess you argue that MJD, LT, SJax, and LJ are all lacking elite talent. Looking at his entire career, he's been extremely successful when his OL hasn't been in shambles. That line has been in shambles for the last 11 games. Prior to that Addai was averaging 4.6 YPC for his career.

 

[EBF]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

:(

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

 

[kurtrudder]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

:(

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

I agree Jeff.......of course if someone else wants to toot your horn for a good call, that's a different story but there is no need to pat yourself on the back

 

[humans_being]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

:(

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

I never would have known the thread existed had it not been bumped. Valuable information for me.

 

[EBF]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better.

I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

http://cowlander.neobahumut.com/LOL%20PICT...%20Business.jpg

 

[identikit]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

Sadly, I've come to expect this sort of behavior from the bumper.

 

[squistion]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

I never would have known the thread existed had it not been bumped. Valuable information for me.

For more valuable information check out his "Matt Forte Fantasy Bust" thread of a few weeks back. I am sure he will bump that too eventually if it validates his opinion.

 

[EBF]

For more valuable information check out his "Matt Forte Fantasy Bust" thread of a few weeks back. I am sure he will bump that too eventually if it validates his opinion.

Bank on it.The Cutler trade changed the dynamics there a little bit though. I still think Forte is overrated, but he's got a legit QB under center and that should take away some of the pressure.

 

[identikit]

But when he's dead wrong it's

 

[RC94]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

 

[bonesman]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better.

I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

http://cowlander.neobahumut.com/LOL%20PICT...%20Business.jpg

class act

 

[Ford Prefect]

I agree his skillset is weak but he is still in a great position in that offense.

Yea, but for how long?Indy isn't the type of team that's constantly shuffling its personnel like Denver or Oakland, but if Addai continues to produce at this atrocious clip then you have to think Polian will look for someone who can perform better. I think I'd be looking to move Joseph if I had him in any of my dynasty leagues. He isn't an elite back, but he's valued like one.

Are bumps like this really necessary?Even though I agree with the viewpoint, I doubt this chest-thumping adds much to the Shark Pool.

Sadly, I've come to expect this sort of behavior from the bumper.