Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Rumor has it that the Colts wanted Chris Johnson so bad they could taste it.I wouldn't mind at all if they went with Addai for a few years.
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switz
Footballguy
Funny how you mention this now, but there was not a peep in regards to this before the draft. In fact, the Colts basically said they weren't looking RB until later in the draft. I highly doubt CJ was on their screen at all.However, I would have loved to see him in a Colts uniform! Imagine his speed in that offense? Wow!But I digress. The Colts seem to feel that Addai is the perfect type of RB for their system, they were comparing him to Edge (an Edge "clone" were the words used iirc) and seem pretty happy with his performance. Dungy, early in the season, was pretty quick to blame the OL for the running games struggles.It all comes down to health though... some guys in college have health issues, then hit the NFL and have none. Others are perfectly healthy in college, and then have injury after injury in the NFL.Then there's Addai who just can't stay healthy at any level.
bocksheesh
Footballguy
.... Annnnndddddd just picked up Dominic Rhodes on the FA wire.
Man, that feels good.
Man, that feels good.
silentmark
Footballguy
You mean he was still available ?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
His and Maroney's rookie season I was in an inaugural dynasty draft with a bunch of FBG's. Maroney went at the end of the first round. I drafted Addai in the 3rd and was laughed at....So the haters that got burned on Maroney are now coming out of the woodwork...The issue with Addai is that when he was drafted, the mob mentality on this board all thought he sucked, and that guys like Maroney were better. So they look for opportunities to down Addai instead of admitting they were wrong...
TheFanatic
Footballguy
So Priest Holmes wasn't very good? He sucked in Baltimore. Faulk was decent in Indy, but great in St. Louis. And good thing those guys learned how to block for themselves when running otherwise they would never have done anything...THANK YOU!These guys that swing from Addai must be LSU Homers or they are watching something much different than what I see. The guy just isn't that talented. Everyone saying O-Line this or Peyton doesn't look good this year....NEWSFLASH....now he has to perform under adversity and NOT having the greatest passing offense taking the heat off of him....I think the results speak for themselves.A voice of reason. Heck, Rhodes who they keep promoting as great has 3.6 YPC on the season
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Where are you hearing this?
gianmarco
Footballguy
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9655556Rhodes in 2008:
# of carries = 118 carries
# of carries on 1st down = 64 (54%)
# of carries on 2nd down = 42 (36 %)
# of carries on 3rd down = 12 (10%)
# of carries on 3rd down and 3+ yds to go = 3 (2.5%)
To contrast that for Addai in 2008:
# of carries = 154 carries
# of carries on 1st down = 85 (55%)
# of carries on 2nd down = 46 (30%)
# of carries on 3rd down = 21 (14%)
Amazingly enough, you're just flat out wrong. Also amazingly enough, your "boy" Addai has actually had more 3rd down carries than Rhodes.
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skillz
Footballguy
Probably just an assumption based on the fact Dungy has already said it is "doubtful" he will play, Addai has not practiced on Wed and Thurs, and Indy doesn't need him to play to beat the Lions.
switz
Footballguy
How many of those first and second down carries came when Addai was out?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9655556
# of carries = 118 carries
# of carries on 1st down = 64 (54%)
# of carries on 2nd down = 42 (36 %)
# of carries on 3rd down = 12 (10%)
# of carries on 3rd down and 3+ yds to go = 3 (2.5%)
To contrast that for Addai in 2008:
# of carries = 154 carries
# of carries on 1st down = 85 (55%)
# of carries on 2nd down = 46 (30%)
# of carries on 3rd down = 21 (14%)
Amazingly enough, you're just flat out wrong. Also amazingly enough, your "boy" Addai has actually had more 3rd down carries than Rhodes.
Addai is also not very talented. He was just an average guy in a great situation.
switz
Footballguy
Why was he a first round pick?Why has he had 2 200+ total yard games?Why did he average 4.8 YPC his rookie season, and the first 7 games of his second year? Funny how he was putting up AMAZING numbers for being an average talent. That's a better YPC than Edgerrin had his first two seasons. Better than Faulk at any time in his career in Indy.In fact, Addai's rookie season was better than all but two of Faulks in Indy, and his second season (a bad season per many here) was better than all but three, rushing.Faulk was a better receiver, but Addai's not shoddy in that department.The people who knock Addai's talent don't know what they're talking about.His health is a totally different issue.
packersfan
Footballguy
In Faulk's rookie year, the Colts had Jim Harbaugh and Don Majkowski at QB. The leading WRs were guys named Floyd Turner and Sean Dawkins.
That's a far cry from Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Clark etc.
switz, it's one thing to defend Addai to the death as you do. But comparing him in any way to Marshall Faulk - a sure-first first ballot Hall of Famer - weakens your arguments considerably.
That's a far cry from Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Clark etc.
switz, it's one thing to defend Addai to the death as you do. But comparing him in any way to Marshall Faulk - a sure-first first ballot Hall of Famer - weakens your arguments considerably.
switz
Footballguy
LOL - so are you arguing that a bad situation can negatively impact even a future Hall of Famer? I thought great talents could be amazing no matter what. Isn't that the argument here? Addai is average because when his situation was bad he's struggled? But it's ok for Faulk to struggle in a bad situation without anyone knocking his talent?packersfan said:
Find an argument you can stick to... you can't argue one thing against one player, but then use it as an excuse for the other.
packersfan
Footballguy
You need to stop laughing so hard and pay closer attention to what I've written. Faulk's rookie season STRONGLY supports my point that great talent can overcome a bad situation. He didn't struggle in his rookie season. He had a great rookie year (you may want to check and see who the Offensive Rookie of the Year was that year - I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Joseph Addai). As I pointed out, Faulk played with absolute garbage around him in his rookie season. And yet, he put more than 1,800 total yards and scored 12 touchdowns. That's pretty damn impressive. Faulk is an excellent example of the argument I've been making all along. Next time, stop laughing because the only one looking foolish here is you my friend.LOL - so are you arguing that a bad situation can negatively impact even a future Hall of Famer? I thought great talents could be amazing no matter what. Isn't that the argument here? Addai is average because when his situation was bad he's struggled? But it's ok for Faulk to struggle in a bad situation without anyone knocking his talent?packersfan said:Find an argument you can stick to... you can't argue one thing against one player, but then use it as an excuse for the other.
gianmarco
Footballguy
What's the difference if those carries came when Addai was out? You claimed that Rhodes has been used "mostly in the passing game and on third downs where he gets yards off delayed draw plays in passing situations to inflate his YPC". Only 10% of his total carries in 2008 have come on 3rd downs, with or without Addai. How are those 10% of his total carries going to inflate anything? That's not to mention that he's only gained 39 yds on those 12 carries, so that sub 3.25 ypc average on 3rd down isn't inflating anything. Addai, at the same time, has actually had a higher % and a higher # of 3rd down carries, so shouldn't those "inflate" his already terrible ypc as is? The FACT of the matter is, Rhodes has NOT been used primarily on 3rd downs (a whopping total of TWELVE carries in all of 2008 on 3rd down) either with or without Addai. So, as someone once said, let's not "start throwing out facts that simply aren't factual"switz said:How many of those first and second down carries came when Addai was out?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9655556
# of carries = 118 carries
# of carries on 1st down = 64 (54%)
# of carries on 2nd down = 42 (36 %)
# of carries on 3rd down = 12 (10%)
# of carries on 3rd down and 3+ yds to go = 3 (2.5%)
To contrast that for Addai in 2008:
# of carries = 154 carries
# of carries on 1st down = 85 (55%)
# of carries on 2nd down = 46 (30%)
# of carries on 3rd down = 21 (14%)
Amazingly enough, you're just flat out wrong. Also amazingly enough, your "boy" Addai has actually had more 3rd down carries than Rhodes.
switz
Footballguy
His second season doesn't count? Barely broke 1,000 yards rushing, 3.7 YPC?Harbaugh went to the ProBowl, so did the LT Will Wolford. Both were also with him his rookie season, when you said he had junk around him. You really don't know what you're talking about at all.You need to stop laughing so hard and pay closer attention to what I've written. Faulk's rookie season STRONGLY supports my point that great talent can overcome a bad situation. He didn't struggle in his rookie season. He had a great rookie year (you may want to check and see who the Offensive Rookie of the Year was that year - I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Joseph Addai). As I pointed out, Faulk played with absolute garbage around him in his rookie season. And yet, he put more than 1,800 total yards and scored 12 touchdowns. That's pretty damn impressive. Faulk is an excellent example of the argument I've been making all along. Next time, stop laughing because the only one looking foolish here is you my friend.
What about '97, when Faulk also had Marvin Harrison as part of his supporting cast, plus Meadows and Glenn on the line?
packersfan
Footballguy
Actually, that quote applies to you, switz. Harbaugh did not go to the Pro Bowl in Faulk's rookie season. He went in Faulk's second year. Harbaugh didn't even start all of the games in Faulk's rookie year. Majkowski started several. Together, they combined to throw for nearly as many INTs as TDs. The Colts' passing game ranked 28th in passing yards that season. They had terrible talent at the skill positions.And yet, despite all of that, Faulk was the Offensive Rookie of the Year and also made the Pro Bowl. That's a pretty damn impressive accomplishment given the lack of talent around him. It certainly was significantly worse than Addai has had at any time in his career with the Colts. You're the one who brought up a comparison between Addai and a future Hall of Famer. It was a foolish comparison. As I said before, if you want to defend Addai to the death that's up to you. But comparing him in any way to Marshall Faulk is absurd given how Faulk was clearly the superior talent. And what about Faulk's second season? He again had strong total yardage numbers and the Colts' running game was one of the best in the league, ranking 11th in rushing yardage. Faulk made the Pro Bowl again that year so somebody must have thought he was doing something right.The longer you continue to make these kinds of comparisons switz the worse you look. You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. You're getting killed in this thread. At least I can admit I was wrong about Addai and take my lumps for it. I thought he was talented RB but he looks to me like the product of a system and not someone who is a superior talent. I was wrong and I can admit I was wrong about him.
Monkeyface Prickleback
Footballguy
Exactly.
packersfan
Footballguy
No he did not.From RotoWorld:Colts coach Tony Dungy admitted Friday that Joseph Addai (shoulder) is unlikely to play in Week 15 against Detroit. Addai is listed as questionable on the injury report, but missed practice for a third straight day."My sense is we’ll probably hold him out if there’s any question at all," Dungy said, adding that Chad Simpson (ankle) might be available. That would give the Colts further incentive to hold Addai out. "That’s another reason if we have any questions with Joe, we may be able to hold him down," said Dungy.Source: colts.com
And by the way, Addai isn't that good. That is a fact, but I only said that stuff to rile you up. I am so glad it worked. haha
switz
Footballguy
The implication was that when they were both available, Rhodes was used primarily on passing downs AND third downs... I figured that was obvious.Rhodes 118 carries -12 carries have come in 11+ yard to go situations (10%)58 carries on 1st and 8+ (typical running down) (49%)18 carries on 2nd and 8+ (typical passing down) (13%)2 carries on 3rd and long (3%)29 carries with <4 on the line (25%)32 carries in clear passing situations (27%)Addai 154 total carries -8 carries have come in 11+ yard to go situations (5%)78 carries on 1st and 8-10 (typical running down) (51%)17 carries on 2nd and 8-10 (typical passing down) (11%)0 carries on 3rd and long (0%)25 carries in clear passing situations (16%)35 carries with <4 on the line (22%)Rhodes clearly has had a higher percentage of his carries come in obvious pass situations, and Addai hasn't had a single carry on third and long. And quite frankly, just watch the games. When both RBs are playing, Rhodes is used more in passing situations and on third down. The stat's back that up.Oh and guess where the outlier is in Rhodes YPC? 1st and 11+ (7.5) and 2nd and 8-10 (7.3) which are passing situations.Oh, and in the three games that Addai was out, Rhodes carried the ball35 of his total 64 1st down carries.21 of his 42 total 2nd down carries.5 of his 9 third down carries.1 of his 3 fourth down carries.That shows that when Addai plays, he's had 85 1st down carries compared to 29 for Rhodes47 second down carries to 21 for Rhodes21 third down carries to 4 for Rhodes1 4th down carry to 2 for RhodesIt's been a pretty interesting review of the stats. It shows how little they use Rhodes when Addai is playing. It also shows Rhodes does indeed see percentage-wise a higher number of carries in passing situations compared to Addai.It's probably all moot - as I don't think an actual review of facts is going to change anyone's mind here.
switz
Footballguy
And that's where you're wrong. If Addai "isn't that good" he wouldn't have been able to do what he's done when healthy.Can't wait til I can snag him in the third or fourth round of drafts next season
gianmarco
Footballguy
It certainly has been a pretty interesting review of the stats. So much so that your #'s are incorrect (not surprising). Not sure where or how you pulled some of these #'s but they just aren't correct. Go and pull up Rhodes at FBG and look at his splits.He has had 118 carries so far.Rhodes 118 carries -
12 carries have come in 11+ yard to go situations (10%)
58 carries on 1st and 8+ (typical running down) (49%)
18 carries on 2nd and 8+ (typical passing down) (13%)
2 carries on 3rd and long (3%)
29 carries with <4 on the line (25%)
32 carries in clear passing situations (27%)
It's been a pretty interesting review of the stats.
He's had 64 carries on 1st down.
He's had 11 carries on 2nd and 4-7 yds to go
He's had 13 carries on 2nd and 0-3 yds to go
He's had 9 carries on 3rd/4th and 0-2 yds to go
Now, call me foolish, but NONE of the above that I listed are clear passing downs. The CLOSEST you can argue is the 2nd and 4-7 yds to go, but that is not a CLEAR passing down and most would say it would usually be a running down.
64 + 11 + 13 + 9 = 97 carries.
97/118 = 82%
That means, AT MOST, he's been in on 18% clear passing downs (not a 50% increase to 27% as you claim). That's ignoring his 18 carries on 2nd and 8+ yds to go (which is not a clear passing down either as you claim. A lot of teams will still run on 2nd and 8 or 2nd and 9).
So, somehow, you have him at 32 carries or 27% of his plays on CLEAR PASSING DOWNS. In other words, I don't even know where to begin to look at your analysis because it's just flat out wrong. Pull up some real stats and portray them accurately and maybe we can discuss this. I'm not gonna even bother doublechecking Addai's as I already found a mistake on his as well and it's just not worth it.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Ok, let's look at this. We'll do a full breakdown. This is Rhode's play by play per FBG. I removed the games where Addai didn't play or played minimally (weeks 6, 7, and 8). It is listed below. I tried to bold some of the lines to easily identify them, but not able to do it with the code tags (or at least I don't know how). So, he's involved in 87 plays below. Of those 87 plays, 12 of them are obviously passing downs (disclaimer that I did NOT include two 2nd and 9 plays as I don't think those are obvious passing downs). In addition to those 12 plays (half of which were 2nd down and half of which were 3rd down), he was involved in 4 more 3rd down plays. 3 of those 4 play were a 3rd and 1 and there was an additional 3rd and 2. Not sure how those would be considered plays that inflate his #'s as you stated earlier, but nevertheless, we'll include them since this is Switzworld we're talking about.
Thus, out of 87 plays where Rhodes was on the field in games where both were available, Rhodes saw a whopping 16 of those 87 plays that were either obviously passing downs AND/OR third downs. 16/87 = 18%.
Now, if 18% = "when they were both available, Rhodes was used primarily on passing downs AND third downs", then we're going to have to disagree on the definition of "primarily".
Feel free to go through the play-by-play listed below and add whatever other plays you'd like that TO YOU are obvious passing downs and you will still not get remotely close to "primarily" used in passing/3rd down situations. So, you were saying about facts and what not?
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Week 1 vs. CHIQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description2 13:03 3 - 7 1st-and-10 own 36 rushed for 4 yards2 10:21 3 - 7 3rd-and-10 opp 22 caught pass for 6 yards3 2:05 13 - 15 1st-and-10 own 16 target of incomplete pass4 13:46 13 - 15 4th-and-1 opp 50 rushed for -2 yards4 8:50 13 - 29 1st-and-10 own 14 caught pass for 10 yards (first down)4 8:24 13 - 29 1st-and-10 own 24 target of incomplete pass4 4:52 13 - 29 3rd-and-15 opp 41 caught pass for 8 yards4 1:34 13 - 29 2nd-and-10 own 17 caught pass for 6 yardsWeek 2 vs. MINQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 9:00 0 - 3 3rd-and-11 own 31 caught pass for 3 yards2 11:53 0 - 6 2nd-and-10 opp 42 caught pass for 5 yards2 0:39 0 - 6 2nd-and-10 own 34 target of incomplete pass3 4:08 0 - 15 1st-and-10 own 20 rushed for 4 yards4 11:11 7 - 15 2nd-and-7 own 33 rushed for 1 yardsWeek 3 vs. JAXQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description2 2:15 7 - 3 1st-and-15 opp 25 rushed for 20 yards (first down)3 1:16 14 - 17 1st-and-10 own 20 rushed for 4 yards3 0:00 14 - 17 3rd-and-5 own 25 target of incomplete passWeek 5 vs. HOUQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description2 11:56 10 - 7 1st-and-10 own 22 rushed for 0 yards3 11:56 10 - 17 1st-and-10 own 37 target of incomplete pass4 5:26 10 - 27 1st-and-10 opp 11 caught pass for -4 yards4 4:51 10 - 27 2nd-and-14 opp 15 target of incomplete passWeek 9 vs. NEQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 5:42 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 35 caught pass for 7 yards1 5:14 0 - 0 2nd-and-3 opp 28 rushed for 5 yards (first down)1 4:32 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 23 rushed for 3 yards4 3:53 18 - 15 1st-and-10 own 25 rushed for 4 yards4 2:27 18 - 15 1st-and-10 own 43 rushed for 3 yardsWeek 10 vs. PITQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description2 13:15 7 - 14 1st-and-10 own 22 rushed for 4 yards2 2:07 7 - 17 1st-and-10 opp 39 caught pass for 7 yards2 0:22 7 - 17 2nd-and-9 opp 9 rushed for 7 yards3 9:37 14 - 17 1st-and-10 opp 25 rushed for 3 yards3 2:26 17 - 17 1st-and-10 own 43 rushed for -1 yards4 4:43 17 - 20 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 9 yards4 4:15 17 - 20 2nd-and-1 opp 23 rushed for 0 yards4 3:42 17 - 20 3rd-and-1 opp 23 rushed for 6 yards (first down)4 3:09 17 - 20 1st-and-10 opp 17 caught pass for 17 yards TOUCHDOWNWeek 11 vs. HOUQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 0:01 3 - 6 1st-and-10 opp 50 target of incomplete pass2 14:13 6 - 6 1st-and-10 opp 40 rushed for 3 yards2 13:37 6 - 6 2nd-and-7 opp 37 caught pass for 3 yards2 1:04 6 - 13 3rd-and-15 own 31 caught pass for 18 yards (first down)3 8:55 16 - 20 1st-and-10 own 48 rushed for 8 yards3 8:26 16 - 20 2nd-and-2 opp 44 rushed for 5 yards (first down)3 4:01 23 - 20 2nd-and-3 own 34 rushed for 2 yards3 2:56 23 - 20 1st-and-10 own 38 caught pass for 5 yards3 2:27 23 - 20 2nd-and-5 own 43 rushed for 12 yards (first down)3 1:26 23 - 20 2nd-and-1 opp 36 rushed for 7 yards (first down)3 0:46 23 - 20 2nd-and-10 opp 29 rushed for 7 yards4 4:07 30 - 27 1st-and-10 opp 26 rushed for 1 yards4 2:15 30 - 27 1st-and-10 opp 16 rushed for 4 yards4 2:07 30 - 27 2nd-and-6 opp 12 rushed for -1 yardsWeek 12 vs. SDQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 3:07 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 10 target of incomplete pass2 11:35 3 - 3 1st-and-10 own 33 caught pass for 2 yards2 3:26 3 - 10 1st-and-10 opp 39 caught pass for 5 yards2 2:54 3 - 10 2nd-and-5 opp 34 rushed for 0 yards2 2:11 3 - 10 3rd-and-5 opp 34 caught pass for 13 yards (first down)2 1:59 3 - 10 1st-and-15 opp 26 rushed for 13 yards2 1:28 3 - 10 2nd-and-2 opp 13 rushed for 0 yards3 7:44 10 - 10 1st-and-10 opp 17 rushed for 1 yards3 6:38 10 - 10 3rd-and-1 opp 8 rushed for 7 yards (first down)3 5:57 10 - 10 1st-and-1 opp 1 rushed for -1 yards3 5:24 10 - 10 2nd-and-2 opp 2 caught pass for 0 yards3 4:39 10 - 10 3rd-and-2 opp 2 rushed for 1 yards3 3:53 10 - 10 4th-and-1 opp 1 caught pass for 1 yards TOUCHDOWNWeek 13 vs. CLEQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 3:49 0 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 11 caught pass for 2 yards1 3:03 0 - 3 2nd-and-8 opp 9 rushed for 2 yards3 9:54 3 - 6 1st-and-10 own 25 rushed for 8 yards3 9:12 3 - 6 2nd-and-2 own 33 rushed for 1 yards3 8:39 3 - 6 3rd-and-1 own 34 rushed for 2 yards (first down)3 8:00 3 - 6 1st-and-10 own 36 caught pass for 4 yards3 7:38 3 - 6 2nd-and-6 own 40 rushed for 0 yards3 1:03 3 - 6 1st-and-10 own 4 rushed for 5 yards4 14:22 3 - 6 1st-and-10 own 18 rushed for 3 yards4 13:36 3 - 6 2nd-and-7 own 21 rushed for 4 yards4 5:02 3 - 6 1st-and-5 own 25 rushed for 1 yards4 3:39 3 - 6 1st-and-10 own 30 rushed for 5 yards4 2:54 3 - 6 2nd-and-5 own 35 rushed for 4 yardsWeek 14 vs. CINQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 2:00 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 35 rushed for 3 yards1 0:43 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 17 rushed for 17 yards TOUCHDOWN2 5:23 7 - 3 2nd-and-1 own 30 rushed for 3 yards (first down)2 4:51 7 - 3 1st-and-10 own 33 rushed for 1 yards2 4:12 7 - 3 2nd-and-9 own 34 caught pass for 6 yards3 11:57 14 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 39 rushed for -2 yards3 11:22 14 - 3 2nd-and-12 opp 41 caught pass for 3 yards3 9:49 14 - 3 4th-and-1 opp 30 rushed for 8 yards (first down)3 9:08 14 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 22 caught pass for 3 yards3 8:26 14 - 3 2nd-and-7 opp 19 rushed for -1 yards3 3:50 21 - 3 1st-and-10 own 31 rushed for -2 yards4 11:29 28 - 3 1st-and-10 own 3 rushed for 2 yards4 9:22 28 - 3 2nd-and-4 own 23 rushed for 2 yards
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switz
Footballguy
I used ESPN.com's splits which are reported by Elias. I'm not sure how FBG compile their stats, and I'm not a paying subscriber, so I'm not even sure I have access to their stats.Everything I posted is absolutely correct per ESPN's stats.The Colts pass very frequently on second down, and if you watch the games, you'd know that.
switz
Footballguy
Unfortunately the code tag removes all other markup
Then you don't know the Colts at all...Of 2nd down plays, the Colts had 166 pass attempts and 94 rush attempts. Of those rush attempts, only 57 came when there were 6+ yards to go, only 18 came when there were 8+ yards to go.
So the Colts run 36% of the time on second down. They run only 22% of the time when the yardage to go is 6 or more. They run ONLY SIX % OF THE TIME when the yardage is 8 or more to go.
Yes, 2nd and 8+ is clearly a passing down for the Colts. It is arguable that 2nd and 6+ is pretty much a passing down for the Colts.
These are all plays I would call clearly passing downs:
Week 1 vs. CHI (of 8 plays)3rd-and-10 opp 22 caught pass for 6 yards3rd-and-15 opp 41 caught pass for 8 yards2nd-and-10 own 17 caught pass for 6 yardsWeek 2 vs. MIN (of 5 plays)3rd-and-11 own 31 caught pass for 3 yards2nd-and-10 opp 42 caught pass for 5 yards2nd-and-10 own 34 target of incomplete pass2nd-and-7 own 33 rushed for 1 yardsWeek 3 vs. JAX (of 3 plays)1st-and-15 opp 25 rushed for 20 yards (first down)3rd-and-5 own 25 target of incomplete passWeek 5 vs. HOU (of 4 plays)2nd-and-14 opp 15 target of incomplete passWeek 9 vs. NE (of 5 plays)Week 10 vs. PIT (of 9 pays)2nd-and-9 opp 9 rushed for 7 yardsWeek 11 vs. HOU2nd-and-7 opp 37 caught pass for 3 yards3rd-and-15 own 31 caught pass for 18 yards (first down)2nd-and-10 opp 29 rushed for 7 yardsWeek 12 vs. SD (of 13 plays)3rd-and-5 opp 34 caught pass for 13 yards (first down)1st-and-15 opp 26 rushed for 13 yardsWeek 13 vs. CLE (of 13 plays)Qtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description2nd-and-8 opp 9 rushed for 2 yards2nd-and-6 own 40 rushed for 0 yards2nd-and-7 own 21 rushed for 4 yardsWeek 14 vs. CIN (of 13 plays - Addai also left this game early in the third, no?)2nd-and-9 own 34 caught pass for 6 yards2nd-and-12 opp 41 caught pass for 3 yards2nd-and-7 opp 19 rushed for -1 yardsYou said 87 plays? 22 of those in clear passing situations = 25%. Now I was speaking specifically of rushing attempts, and you included all plays, pass receptions and rush attempts, which is fine.Now obviously, Rhodes isn't used primarily on passing downs, in the proper sense of the word. I was incorrect in stating that. My argument was that he benefits by being used more frequently in those situations than Addai, relative to each players overall use, which is true.
Either way, even if each player ran a relatively equal number of times in each situation, Rhodes is averaging .1 more YPC than Addai, nothing to indicate he's "clearly superior." Additionally, Rhodes was hardly used early in the season, when Manning was recovering and the OL was in shambles. Then Addai got hurt, and it's not a good basis to compare players when one of the two is injured.
We all just see what we want to see I guess.
big_donkey
Footballguy
You would be REACHING in the 3rd. He's average and injury prone.And that's where you're wrong. If Addai "isn't that good" he wouldn't have been able to do what he's done when healthy.Can't wait til I can snag him in the third or fourth round of drafts next season
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
Your argument has changed a few times:First, you felt like he was going to be a 350 carry and 50 catch workhorse. You compared his future performance to Edge's past performance. Many reminded you that he had never carried a full load at any level. But you felt he could do it.And that's where you're wrong. If Addai "isn't that good" he wouldn't have been able to do what he's done when healthy.Can't wait til I can snag him in the third or fourth round of drafts next season
Next, you stated that he is a top 5 NFL talent. Yet his performance is comparable to the "epitomy of average" Dominic Rhodes.
I don't mean to rub in defeat, but it gets difficult to read your changing arguments time and time again. Do you still think Foster is more talented than DeAngelo? Is MJD just a part time back that won't amount to much? Is Marshawn Lynch a better pro than Adrian Peterson? Is Addai the #1 dynasty RB? Is Marion Barber overrated? How did these other arguments work out for you?
You are right about Felix Jones, though.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
ummmm, yea, soooooo, is he playing or what?
nxmehta
Footballguy
Is this for real!??!That is a disgusting statistic.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Honestly, you can defend Addai's talent all day long, but the fact is that the guy has not been putting up numbers this year, and he's not going to for the rest of the year. He was one of the absolute worst fantasy RBs considering his ADP this year. For God's sake you're spending time comparing Addai to Dominic Rhodes. Those guys shouldn't even be in the same sentence! This is supposed to be a premier 1st round back here!
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Suiting up but Rhodes is starting....
LBH
Footballguy
isnt that just beat writer speculation right now. The inactives havent been announced yet have they?
