Joseph Randle cut and suspended for four games (2 Viewers)

[socrates]

My random thoughts:

I am not sold on either McFadden or Ryan Williams staying out of the trainer's room long enough to be a legitimate factor in this contest.

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him, and I believe he will get a fair shot to win the job. He has the talent to win the job, even. He lacks the durability to retain the job.

Ryan Williams is a case of what might have been. He gave us a tease again last preseason, but, as with McFadden, expecting Williams to shoulder the load with his injury history is probably not a reasonable expectation.

Lance Dunbar was expected to be a major contributor last season, but with Murray's success, Dunbar never got the touches many of us expected. This could be the season we see the Cowboys take advantage of Dunbar's Sproles-like ability. Dunbar lacks the size, however, to be an every-down back. I like Dunbar as a cheap PPR pickup this season.

I truly believe we have been robbed of seeing something potentially very special. I would have loved to have seen Adrian Peterson line up behind that Dallas line. That might have been a season for the ages. It is no wonder Peterson is so sore about missing such a grand opportunity. Perhaps there is still an outside chance something gets done, but that appears unlikely.

That leaves Joseph Randle. Like both McFadden and Williams, Randle has the skillset to be an every-down back for the Cowboys. Randle's off field issues have been well documented, and he will have to exhibit more maturity if he is to seize this opportunity; however, I would put Randle as the odds-on favorite to lead this committee of backs. Nobody (except Randle himself) expects Randle to do a Demarco Murray encore, but behind that line, he could have some good value.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him, and I believe he will get a fair shot to win the job. He has the talent to win the job, even. He lacks the durability to retain the job.

Does he?

This is a guy that has averaged 3.3, 3.3. and 3.4 yards each of the last three seasons before being benched for Latavius Murray, who looked much better than him behind the same line.

I don't know why people think the only knock on this guy is his durability. Even when healthy, he has been terrible for years now.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him, and I believe he will get a fair shot to win the job. He has the talent to win the job, even. He lacks the durability to retain the job.

Does he?

This is a guy that has averaged 3.3, 3.3. and 3.4 yards each of the last three seasons before being benched for Latavius Murray, who looked much better than him behind the same line.

I don't know why people think the only knock on this guy is his durability. Even when healthy, he has been terrible for years now.

Pretty easy to just blame the Raiders when looking at it superficially -- but a closer look shows JAGs like Marcel Reece, Rashad Jennings, and Latavius Murray not just outplaying him, but utterly destroying him per touch. He's gotten garbage contracts, like less than Donald Brown type backup money, on the open market as a UFA two years running. No matter what he was in 2010 - 2011, it's pretty clear that McFadden just sucks now. And that doesn't even account for the injuries. I really can't believe that people are firing up his bandwagon again. He's really no better than a random street free agent, and quite likely worse than those guys, all things considered.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I don't think McFadden has been the same since his foot injury (and other injuries). Some guys just don't get all the way back after significant injuries.

See also: Nicks, Hakeem

 

[socrates]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him, and I believe he will get a fair shot to win the job. He has the talent to win the job, even. He lacks the durability to retain the job.

Does he?

This is a guy that has averaged 3.3, 3.3. and 3.4 yards each of the last three seasons before being benched for Latavius Murray, who looked much better than him behind the same line.

I don't know why people think the only knock on this guy is his durability. Even when healthy, he has been terrible for years now.

I think you are absolutely right to question McFadden's talent.

I think you have to take it into context, however. McFadden has the talent, IMHO, to win this particular job against the likes of Williams and Randle. That is not necessarily a ringing endorsement of McFadden's talent level.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him, and I believe he will get a fair shot to win the job. He has the talent to win the job, even. He lacks the durability to retain the job.

Does he?

This is a guy that has averaged 3.3, 3.3. and 3.4 yards each of the last three seasons before being benched for Latavius Murray, who looked much better than him behind the same line.

I don't know why people think the only knock on this guy is his durability. Even when healthy, he has been terrible for years now.

Pretty easy to just blame the Raiders when looking at it superficially -- but a closer look shows JAGs like Marcel Reece, Rashad Jennings, and Latavius Murray not just outplaying him, but utterly destroying him per touch. He's gotten garbage contracts, like less than Donald Brown type backup money, on the open market as a UFA two years running. No matter what he was in 2010 - 2011, it's pretty clear that McFadden just sucks now. And that doesn't even account for the injuries. I really can't believe that people are firing up his bandwagon again. He's really no better than a random street free agent, and quite likely worse than those guys, all things considered.

What I'm hearing on the Dallas Cowboys podcasts is that they did go look at the tape on McFadden. They said they saw explosiveness, receiving ability, pass blocking. When McFadden was in the game defenses were able to focus on him because he was essentially the only threat on the field. The other running backs you mentioned apparently did not see the same defensive schemes.

I don't own either one of them and I have no dog in this race but in my opinion, McFadden is going to be the man unless Joseph Randall learns how to pass block.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him, and I believe he will get a fair shot to win the job. He has the talent to win the job, even. He lacks the durability to retain the job.

Does he?

This is a guy that has averaged 3.3, 3.3. and 3.4 yards each of the last three seasons before being benched for Latavius Murray, who looked much better than him behind the same line.

I don't know why people think the only knock on this guy is his durability. Even when healthy, he has been terrible for years now.

Pretty easy to just blame the Raiders when looking at it superficially -- but a closer look shows JAGs like Marcel Reece, Rashad Jennings, and Latavius Murray not just outplaying him, but utterly destroying him per touch. He's gotten garbage contracts, like less than Donald Brown type backup money, on the open market as a UFA two years running. No matter what he was in 2010 - 2011, it's pretty clear that McFadden just sucks now. And that doesn't even account for the injuries. I really can't believe that people are firing up his bandwagon again. He's really no better than a random street free agent, and quite likely worse than those guys, all things considered.

What I'm hearing on the Dallas Cowboys podcasts is that they did go look at the tape on McFadden. They said they saw explosiveness, receiving ability, pass blocking. When McFadden was in the game defenses were able to focus on him because he was essentially the only threat on the field. The other running backs you mentioned apparently did not see the same defensive schemes. I don't own either one of them and I have no dog in this race but in my opinion, McFadden is going to be the man unless Joseph Randall learns how to pass block.

So Dallas saw something that evidently every other front office in the NFL missed two years running? Yeah, I'll stand on "McFadden sucks."

Of course it's possible that he just so happens to suck less than Williams and Randle at the end of the day, but at least with Randle we have some uncertainty as to his actual ability. With McFadden, we have a massive three year sample size of terrible play that can't be explained away IMO due to the fact that the other Oakland RBs have actually, and surprisingly, been pretty darn good.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I don't think McFadden has been the same since his foot injury (and other injuries). Some guys just don't get all the way back after significant injuries.

See also: Nicks, Hakeem

The dreaded lisfranc did him in. Nobody recovers fully from the most dreaded injury on the planet for a running back.

Pro tip: once you hear lisfranc dump off the player immediately, they are done.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Pro tip: once you hear lisfranc dump off the player immediately, they are done.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=leveon%20bell%20lis%20franc

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Pro tip: once you hear lisfranc dump off the player immediately, they are done.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=leveon%20bell%20lis%20franc

Early reports were that he had the dreaded lisfranc, but from what i remember it ended up not being one. He dodged a career ending bullet.

 

[cstu]

I simply have a difficult time believing that the Cowboys starting RB is currently on their roster.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Pro tip: once you hear lisfranc dump off the player immediately, they are done.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=leveon%20bell%20lis%20franc

Early reports were that he had the dreaded lisfranc, but from what i remember it ended up not being one. He dodged a career ending bullet.

You really like the word "dreaded."

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Pro tip: once you hear lisfranc dump off the player immediately, they are done.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=leveon%20bell%20lis%20franc

Early reports were that he had the dreaded lisfranc, but from what i remember it ended up not being one. He dodged a career ending bullet.

You really like the word "dreaded."

there really isn't a better way to describe the most debilitating injury a RB can suffer. death, taxes, and the lisfranc ending careers. all inevitable.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Pro tip: once you hear lisfranc dump off the player immediately, they are done.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=leveon%20bell%20lis%20franc

Early reports were that he had the dreaded lisfranc, but from what i remember it ended up not being one. He dodged a career ending bullet.

Just messing with you on syntax. You said once you hear it to dump immediately. We heard it for Bell for a few weeks before it came out that probably wasn't what it was. Anyone that dumped immediately would have committed a colossal blunder there

 

[menobrown]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him,.

I think he's drafted one Razorback and he's owned the team over a quarter century.

 

[georg013]

My vote is in. I don't need to wait on the expert types in here to get on board with JRandle. I'm already there. Ready to fire up the engine and watch this penny stock explode in value! Boom. Ignore the signs if you want to. It's your perogative.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I hope you are right, my man. People may be over rotating on Randle.

 

[carverlee]

I hope you are right, my man. People may be over rotating on Randle.

If you can trade for him cheap, it's hard to come up with a name that could pay off bigger. But where does he go redraft? The spectrum is going to be huge.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I hope you are right, my man. People may be over rotating on Randle.

If you can trade for him cheap, it's hard to come up with a name that could pay off bigger. But where does he go redraft? The spectrum is going to be huge.

Was #52 RB May 4th and now sits at #32 and climbing.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Geez, that seems a little optimistic at this point.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Geez, that seems a little optimistic at this point.

Not nearly as optimistic/absurd as having McFadden at #23 in redraft.

 

[jtd13]

Geez, that seems a little optimistic at this point.

Not nearly as optimistic/absurd as having McFadden at #23 in redraft.

Taking him as a RB3/4 seems reasonable given the upside. In the 30's you are getting into Doug Martin/Chris Ivory/Shane Vereen range. Is it optimistic to put Randle with those guys?

 

[cr8f]

Geez, that seems a little optimistic at this point.

Not nearly as optimistic/absurd as having McFadden at #23 in redraft.

Yes I keep seeing McFadden drafted well before Randle.

 

[Uncle Grandpa]

We just had our UFA auction a couple weeks ago where McFadden went for 3.1% of cap (30-35 man rosters) while Randle went for barely above the league minimum at 0.6%. It felt like any sort of Randle buzz is contained in this thread.

 

[jmo87usc]

Out of everyone currently rostered at RB in Dallas, Randle definitely has the best chance to be the "starter". But to automatically assume there are 1800 yards just waiting to be eaten up by whoever plays behind that line is a mistake. My gut feel is Randle leads in carries with 200 or so. McFadden next with about 125. Then Williams Dunbar and whoever split another 50-80. Combined I would say they reach about 1500-1600 yards max with no one over 1000 individually. This is assuming they don't add another RB.

Not necessarily a RBBC but I don't think they ride the run game as heavily as last year. I just don't think it's as easy as plug and play the next man up. I'm avoiding the whole situation, but can't argue picking up Randle or even McFadden at a good price just in case.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I've seen a couple of wacky trades in my leagues involving Randle and McFadden, ones that assume way too much confidence in one guy or the other getting a lot of work. I've seen enough of Randle's psychological side to have no confidence in his reliability, and I've seen too much of McFadden's performance the last few years to trust him even if he were named the starter.

With the lukewarm votes of confidence the current group has received (management essentially saying anyone can run behind that OL isn't exactly a ringing endorsement), and with Stephen and Jerry Jones both talking of the possibility of still acquiring someone, there's a long way to go before anything is settled and at this point we are all just guessing at the outcome. For all I know the Week 1 starter might be Knowshon Moreno, or Ray Rice, or Ryan Williams, or Doug Martin, or Montee Ball, or whoever. When I see next year's first round rookie picks getting thrown around in deals involving McFadden or Randle in May I just shake my head in amazement.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I don't think they ride the run game as heavily as last year.

This is a team that constantly underachieved by leaning on the passing game, and FINALLY put it all together last year when they stuck to the run game. I would hope they've learned their lesson on that front, even if the quality of RB is lower than it was last year.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't think they ride the run game as heavily as last year.

This is a team that constantly underachieved by leaning on the passing game, and FINALLY put it all together last year when they stuck to the run game. I would hope they've learned their lesson on that front, even if the quality of RB is lower than it was last year.

Gotta lean on that line to run. And what it does to set up the pass game and uplift the defense.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

McFadden has the Arkansas connection going for him,.

I think he's drafted one Razorback and he's owned the team over a quarter century.

Thank you. I immediately discount the opinion of people who say that.

 

[starks]

What have folks been seeing in their leagues as far as buying/selling this guy? With the latest rotoblurb I imagine a late first has been had.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

What have folks been seeing in their leagues as far as buying/selling this guy? With the latest rotoblurb I imagine a late first has been had.

In April people are falling all over themselves to obtain 1st round picks or to move up in the round, but post-rookie draft some people can't seem to get rid of their next year's 1sts quick enough. It baffles me that anyone would drop a 1st on either Randle or McFadden, but some people have no idea what they are doing and it's happening here and there. A year from now some rookie like Derrick Henry or Ezekiel Elliott will be drafted by Dallas and those who burn a 1st on one year rentals like McFadden/Randle are left holding an empty bag. You don't build dynasty teams chasing temporary situations at the cost of long term talent.

 

[Pots]

I'm personally rooting against Randel to succeed while at the same time I can't deny he has the best shot and odds on favorite.

 

[cr8f]

I have Randle and Williams and it's hard to believe either (or McFadden) would be the Cowbys back.

Is Peyton Hillis coming in for a tryout next(after Felix Jones came in)?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Geez, that seems a little optimistic at this point.

Not nearly as optimistic/absurd as having McFadden at #23 in redraft.

Taking him as a RB3/4 seems reasonable given the upside. In the 30's you are getting into Doug Martin/Chris Ivory/Shane Vereen range. Is it optimistic to put Randle with those guys?

ADP info I am looking at shows L. Miller, Ingram, Morris, Forsett, Ellington, Gurley, Bernard all going in the third round or later. I would take any of those players over Randle at this point.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

What have folks been seeing in their leagues as far as buying/selling this guy? With the latest rotoblurb I imagine a late first has been had.

In April people are falling all over themselves to obtain 1st round picks or to move up in the round, but post-rookie draft some people can't seem to get rid of their next year's 1sts quick enough. It baffles me that anyone would drop a 1st on either Randle or McFadden, but a some people have no idea what they are doing and it's happening here and there. A year from now some rookie like Derrick Henry or Ezekiel Elliott will be drafted by Dallas and those who burn a 1st on one year rentals like McFadden/Randle are left holding an empty bag. You don't build dynasty teams chasing temporary situations at the cost of long term talent.

neither of these RB's is the long term solution. Wasting future 1st's on either of them is beyond insane.

 

[frigid5]

Randle just went at 6.03 in the MFL10 I'm currently in. That's the earliest I've seen him go.

 

[Pots]

I have Randle and Williams and it's hard to believe either (or McFadden) would be the Cowbys back.

Is Peyton Hillis coming in for a tryout next(after Felix Jones came in)?

If Peyton Hillis is still the same back he was in Cleveland and Denver, then he would actually be VERY effective in Dallas.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

REDRAFT. Sunday update.

Randle at #28.

MacFadden down one spot to #24. His first drop in a couple months.

Randle passing Tre Mason. Giovani Bernard. Isiah Crowell. Rashard Jennings.

Blount, Spiller, McFadden are next on the list.

Jag RB TJ Yeldon is now at #27 and his risen almost exactly the same as Randle.

 

[georg013]

So tired of seeing people with their "the future back isnt on the roster right now" posts. "They will draft a back next year." News flash: They could have drafted a back THIS year but they didn't. Again, they dont care about your fantasy team or fulfilling your dream of being able to acquire a shiny new rookie at the position so you have a chance at grabbing him. Simply put, If you didnt grab Randle you missed your chance. Period.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

REDRAFT. Sunday update.

Randle at #28.

MacFadden down one spot to #24. His first drop in a couple months.

Randle passing Tre Mason. Giovani Bernard. Isiah Crowell. Rashard Jennings.

Blount, Spiller, McFadden are next on the list.

Jag RB TJ Yeldon is now at #27 and his risen almost exactly the same as Randle.

So McFadden is being drafted as an RB1 and Randle at a high end RB2? Somebody is going to lose that proposition, and maybe both.

Steel where are you getting your ADP info? Are these standard scoring or ppr formats? TIA!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

REDRAFT. Sunday update.

Randle at #28.

MacFadden down one spot to #24. His first drop in a couple months.

Randle passing Tre Mason. Giovani Bernard. Isiah Crowell. Rashard Jennings.

Blount, Spiller, McFadden are next on the list.

Jag RB TJ Yeldon is now at #27 and his risen almost exactly the same as Randle.

So McFadden is being drafted as an RB1 and Randle at a high end RB2? Somebody is going to lose that proposition, and maybe both.

Steel where are you getting your ADP info? Are these standard scoring or ppr formats? TIA!

Standard. In PPR Yeldon and Randle are 29 and 30.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

REDRAFT. Sunday update.

Randle at #28.

MacFadden down one spot to #24. His first drop in a couple months.

Randle passing Tre Mason. Giovani Bernard. Isiah Crowell. Rashard Jennings.

Blount, Spiller, McFadden are next on the list.

Jag RB TJ Yeldon is now at #27 and his risen almost exactly the same as Randle.

So McFadden is being drafted as an RB1 and Randle at a high end RB2? Somebody is going to lose that proposition, and maybe both.

Steel where are you getting your ADP info? Are these standard scoring or ppr formats? TIA!

In what world is RB24 a RB1 and RB28 a high end RB2?

Unless you're playing in a 24 team league (or confused #24 for "24th overall" and somehow thought that Tre Mason, Rashad Jennings, Isiah Crowell, and Giovanni Bernard were all 2nd-3rd round picks) then those guys are both basically being drafted as RB3's.

 

[georg013]

MFL Updated projections for Joseph Randle:

Take it for what it's worth. He went from a 50 carry projection to this:

2015 292 carries 1608 yards 16 TDs 3 Lost fumbles 43 receptions 334 yards 0 TDs 48 targets

For McFadden owners:

2015 114 carries 532 yards 3 TDs 1 Fumble lost 31 receptions 251yards 0 46 targets
Again, just reporting here like Faust.

 

[jtd13]

Geez, that seems a little optimistic at this point.

Not nearly as optimistic/absurd as having McFadden at #23 in redraft.

Taking him as a RB3/4 seems reasonable given the upside. In the 30's you are getting into Doug Martin/Chris Ivory/Shane Vereen range. Is it optimistic to put Randle with those guys?

ADP info I am looking at shows L. Miller, Ingram, Morris, Forsett, Ellington, Gurley, Bernard all going in the third round or later. I would take any of those players over Randle at this point.

RB3/4 for a team in a 10-12 team league. Not round.Just to be clear, we are talking about rb rankings, not overall rankings.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

MFL Updated projections for Joseph Randle:

Take it for what it's worth. He went from a 50 carry projection to this:

2015 292 carries 1608 yards 16 TDs 3 Lost fumbles 43 receptions 334 yards 0 TDs 48 targets

For McFadden owners:

2015 114 carries 532 yards 3 TDs 1 Fumble lost 31 receptions 251yards 0 46 targets

Again, just reporting here like Faust.

MFL projections are always utterly worthless. That's absurd even by their standards.

 

[Pots]

MFL Updated projections for Joseph Randle:

Take it for what it's worth. He went from a 50 carry projection to this:

2015 292 carries 1608 yards 16 TDs 3 Lost fumbles 43 receptions 334 yards 0 TDs 48 targets

For McFadden owners:

2015 114 carries 532 yards 3 TDs 1 Fumble lost 31 receptions 251yards 0 46 targets

Again, just reporting here like Faust.

MFL projections are always utterly worthless. That's absurd even by their standards.

You don't see Randel going 5.5 ypc with 16 TD this year?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

 

[cr8f]

This sure is an entertaining thread.

 

[georg013]

MFL Updated projections for Joseph Randle:

Take it for what it's worth. He went from a 50 carry projection to this:

2015 292 carries 1608 yards 16 TDs 3 Lost fumbles 43 receptions 334 yards 0 TDs 48 targets

For McFadden owners:

2015 114 carries 532 yards 3 TDs 1 Fumble lost 31 receptions 251yards 0 46 targets

Again, just reporting here like Faust.

MFL projections are always utterly worthless. That's absurd even by their standards.

You don't see Randel going 5.5 ypc with 16 TD this year?

Come on kids. The forest beyond the trees! Let me spell it out for you. They dont see a timeshare. They see Randle as the feature back. Not McFadden or AP or Lamar Miller or Doug Martin. They have hedged their bets. Who cares about the prediction? Its the fact they are on board. Just another indicator for the stubborn to ignore. Lol all the way to the bank!!!!! I have never had this much fun with a RB5 lottery ticket. Even if he falls on his face midseason the hate and negativity from the haters have made it worthwhile! Thank you!!!!

 

[scifijon]

Might be time to change the thread title to "might be appropriately valued".