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Joseph Randle cut and suspended for four games
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Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. I think, in dynasty, I am happier to sell than to buy. He might have a nice season. Might have a great season. But I don't think we can expect that we will look back at any given point and say "that was a nice 3-5 year run". The Cowboys and what they have done with their o-line in the past few seasons is remarkable. It was just a couple of years ago when Tony Romo looked like he was going to get killed every snap. Now they appear to be at a point where they can just plug-n-play Rbs and have expected results.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think this is reasonable. The Cowboys let Murray walk after an outstanding season, so based on that I don't see a reason for the Cowboys to lock Randle up long term, even if he does perform very well this season.
Given that Randle has been somewhat of an after thought until just recently, but with demand for him increasing, it seems like a good time to sell Randle to believers in him at a price much higher than it likely took to obtain him.
georg013
Footballguy
Isn't that was said at the end of last year? There was no way Joseph Randle was the answer. He ran into trouble with the law, only saw 50 carries last year, the Cowboys were supposed to resign Murray, then trade for Peterson, then move up for Gurley or Gordon, then maybe wait for Ajayi, then trade for Crowell, then promote McFadden cause he was Jerry's guy. Now it seems all we are doing is taking the same script and just pushing it back a year. Why? Why would the Cowboys do that? Romo isn't getting any younger. Why take a chance with Randle if you don't believe in him? It just doesn't add up to me. The Cowboys had many opportunities to take a RB but they didn't. They had opportunities to trade for a RB. But they didn't. At what point do we stop projecting our fantasy desires onto the Cowboys plans and realize, hell, maybe they actually like Randle a little. I am by no means a Randle fan. I didn't even know who he was until the Cowboys let Murray walk. But I do know that they did nothing besides add McFadden to a team that was CLOSE to making a SuperBowl run. All I have to go by are the actions of the Cowboys. Their actions clearly show that they are fine with the RB situation. We may not be, but they seemingly are. Just food for thought. Why start all over again if Randle gets the job done? For name value? To appease fantasy owners. It wouldn't make a lick of sense.
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Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Not sure I'm buying this. Even if people believe he'll be a stop-gap, his value still has a ton of room to go up.
Let's operate under the assumption that he ends up with the lead back job week 1 of this season. Jumping ahead a little, I know, but I think most would agree he's the favorite right now so let's play.
I think we can all agree that any JAG in Dallas is going to be a pretty good fantasy contributor. At that point, when he's putting up points, his value is going to be supremely higher even if many don't believe he's a long-term answer. Long-term is what everyone is focused on in the offseason, but it often takes a backseat midseason.
Then let's say that Dallas drafts Ezekiel Elliot or Nick Chubb in the 1st round next year and Randle is sent packing after a modest season (which should be pretty easy if he's the guy getting the carries in Dallas). Even then, his value will still be high. Someone will pick him up with a chance to play and look at guys, even busts like Ben Tate or Toby Gerhart, when they went to a new team with a chance to get playing time. They still had pretty good value.
The bottom line is that ALL Randle has to do is hold down the lead back role against an already injured Darren McFadden that hasn't eclipsed 3.5ypc since FOUR YEARS ago and a likely-to-not-even-make-the-roster Ryan Williams and his value will multiply exponentially. We'll all say that it's the system but his value will still balloon just like it always does.
And that's operating under the assumption, btw, that Dallas would move on from him next year which I see no reason to do at 1st round or big money FA prices. Randle is 23 years old and still on his rookie deal through 2016. It seems like having a $700k running back running behind your expensive and dominant offensive line is a great place to save money that you can spend on guys who are really going to make a short-term difference during Tony Romo's last hurrah.
There is plenty of risk involved, sure, but I can't remember this much upside available at that spot in the draft recently. Would anyone really be THAT shocked if random-Dallas-starting-running-back put up 80% of what Murray did? Right now Randle certainly looks to be the lead random-Dallas-starting-running-back.
And one more thing that is crazy to me about this whole ordeal. If Dallas had spent their 5th round pick on David Cobb that guy's value would be off the charts right now, as a 5th round pick in Dallas with no NFL experience. Yet here we have Randle, a 5th round pick in Dallas that has actually looked good running the ball in Dallas and his value is a drop in the bucket compared to what Cobb's would be.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
1,500 yards rushing and 11 TDs with 46 receptions for another 333 yards would be a little shocking to be honest. It's not out of the question of course but it's asking a lot (depending on what you think of Randle's talent at least).
Especially when most of the talk has centered around Randle being the lead back in a RBBC with McFadden and Dunbar while Murray was clearly used as a workhorse back with Dunbar and Randle seeing table scraps.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Hes signed for the next two years though, they dont have to lock him up long term. Think most are still very skeptical of Randle and wouldnt give up a lot for him. Time to sell is further down the road imo.
Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
As FreeBagel mentions above, there's quite a bit of dynasty value that can be harnessed before 2016. IF he wins the job and IF he does a serviceable job as lead back, he will command some pretty decent prices in a few months. Far more than the prices I've paid for him so far this offseason.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Did you mention dmc was already hurt?
Andrew74
Footballguy
He ended up going at 1.11 with Perriman and Agholor still in the board.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Maybe if Montee Ball gets traded to be the starter in Dallas next month we can just merge the two threads. 
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No, you would need to merge Ball with the McFadden and Ryan Williams threads. The Cowboys are looking for a RB to compete for a back up spot, nothing more.Maybe if Montee Ball gets traded to be the starter in Dallas next month we can just merge the two threads.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Everyone keeps waiting for him to slip up but July is a week away and before we know it Training Camp starts. Everyday that goes bye and he's not in the news is one day closer to us having the starting RB for the Dallas Cowboys
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
You may be right about his value continuing to climb. Especially if he has some really good games this season.fruity pebbles said:
My comment was more for Couch or people who may have rostered him already but are skeptical of him panning out. You could sell now still at a profit compared to what it took to get him a year or so ago.
Based on what Andrew74 said above, Randle going at pick 1.11 of a rookie/veteran draft before Perriman or Agholor. That's not bad ROI. Or Randle as a fourth round pick would mean he is in the top 50 players. That wouldn't be bad ROI either for a player who was maybe a 3rd round rookie pick in 2013 or picked up for free at some point after that.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Big Trade Pending
Kellys Heroes Ver 6.7 gave up:
Dunbar, Lance DAL RB
Randle, Joseph DAL RB
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick from Kellys Heroes Ver 6.7
...gave up:
McKinnon, Jerick MIN RB
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
I have ADP
Kellys Heroes Ver 6.7 gave up:
Dunbar, Lance DAL RB
Randle, Joseph DAL RB
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick from Kellys Heroes Ver 6.7
...gave up:
McKinnon, Jerick MIN RB
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
I have ADP
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.
georg013
Footballguy
Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Streetduck
Footballguy
georg013
Footballguy
I'm wondering the same thing...Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.
cr8f
Footballguy
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
He just came here to enjoy your attractive avatar.I'm wondering the same thing...Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I've won a few championships and lost more. In 15 years of FF id say injuries were the single biggest factor in how well my teams performed, not random speculation in May and June.I'm wondering the same thing...Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.
I come to the shark pool to talk about football, not fantasy.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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georg013
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Fresh Prince of Bel Nor
Footballguy
What a great pair of articles. They are a little longer than most fantasy fluff pieces, but worth the time...excellent writing as well. Thanks for posting these. I traded away Andre for Randle and Boldin a couple weeks ago and was a little unsure about if I did the right thing. I feel much better after reading this.
cr8f
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Im just here so i wont get finedgeorg013 said:I'm wondering the same thing...Streetduck said:Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I wouldn't say history but in the past couple of yrs yeahT with T said:
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Any chance Randle is a better receiving option the Murray (57/416 at a paltry 7.3 with 0 TDs) and gets more utilization?
They called JR a solid receiver with good hands leading up to the draft.
They called JR a solid receiver with good hands leading up to the draft.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
7.3 isn't paltry for a RB. Thats pretty normal. RBs are mostly grabbing dump offs and swing passes, especially the bellcow type RBs like Murray.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Its next to last among RBs who had 300 yards receiving. And Dallas has plenty of other options to remove coverage from him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is Jamal Charles not a good receiving option because he also averaged 7.3 ypr?
Gio averaged 8.1; Forte 7.9; Bradshaw 7.9; Fred Jackson 7.6; Reggie Bush 6.3; Justin Forsett 6.0; Lamar Miller 7.2; McFadden 5.9.
You also had guys like Foster, Ellington, Thomas, Vereen in the mid 8s.
Only Le'Veon Bell or pure receiving backs like Theo Riddick and Sproles came close to low-end WR ypr numbers in the 9.0-10.00 range.
Murray's ypr average is in line with most RBs like I said - RBs catch passes in the flat or dump-offs by nature mostly.
georg013
Footballguy
Ok. Thanks for the work Faust. Keep em coming!
Streetduck
Footballguy
As detailed in the article by KD Drummond
In 2014, Randle carried the ball 10 or more times just once, Week 16 versus Indianapolis. He toted the rock 13 times for just 37 yards, a 2.85 ypc average. DeMarco Murray also played in that game. His totals? 22 rushes for 58 yards, a 2.64 ypc average. Both Dallas runners struggled mightily and this in no way should be used to characterize Randle’s skills.
Randle also carried the ball double-digit times over a three-game stretch early in 2013.
- Week 6 vs Washington: 11 carries, 17 yards
- Week 7 @ Philadelphia: 19 carries, 65 yards
- Week 8 @ Detroit: 14 carries, 26 yards
Murray saw great success in the second half of the season in 2013. The only opportunity for a large amount of carries for Randle during that stretch? A 9 carry, 58 yard performance against Chicago in Week 14 (5.89 ypc).
Bottom line make your own decision. Some will be happy some will not no matter which way it goes.