Joseph Randle cut and suspended for four games (1 Viewer)

[georg013]

Excellent value. Yes. But not for long.

 

[Shutout]

Excellent value. Yes. But not for long.

Agree. I think, in dynasty, I am happier to sell than to buy. He might have a nice season. Might have a great season. But I don't think we can expect that we will look back at any given point and say "that was a nice 3-5 year run". The Cowboys and what they have done with their o-line in the past few seasons is remarkable. It was just a couple of years ago when Tony Romo looked like he was going to get killed every snap. Now they appear to be at a point where they can just plug-n-play Rbs and have expected results.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

 

[cr8f]

Heard his ADP is 4th round now.

 

[Biabreakable]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

I think this is reasonable. The Cowboys let Murray walk after an outstanding season, so based on that I don't see a reason for the Cowboys to lock Randle up long term, even if he does perform very well this season.

Given that Randle has been somewhat of an after thought until just recently, but with demand for him increasing, it seems like a good time to sell Randle to believers in him at a price much higher than it likely took to obtain him.

 

[georg013]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

Isn't that was said at the end of last year? There was no way Joseph Randle was the answer. He ran into trouble with the law, only saw 50 carries last year, the Cowboys were supposed to resign Murray, then trade for Peterson, then move up for Gurley or Gordon, then maybe wait for Ajayi, then trade for Crowell, then promote McFadden cause he was Jerry's guy. Now it seems all we are doing is taking the same script and just pushing it back a year. Why? Why would the Cowboys do that? Romo isn't getting any younger. Why take a chance with Randle if you don't believe in him? It just doesn't add up to me. The Cowboys had many opportunities to take a RB but they didn't. They had opportunities to trade for a RB. But they didn't. At what point do we stop projecting our fantasy desires onto the Cowboys plans and realize, hell, maybe they actually like Randle a little. I am by no means a Randle fan. I didn't even know who he was until the Cowboys let Murray walk. But I do know that they did nothing besides add McFadden to a team that was CLOSE to making a SuperBowl run. All I have to go by are the actions of the Cowboys. Their actions clearly show that they are fine with the RB situation. We may not be, but they seemingly are. Just food for thought. Why start all over again if Randle gets the job done? For name value? To appease fantasy owners. It wouldn't make a lick of sense.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

Isn't that was said at the end of last year? There was no way Joseph Randle was the answer. He ran into trouble with the law, only saw 50 carries last year, the Cowboys were supposed to resign Murray, then trade for Peterson, then move up for Gurley or Gordon, then maybe wait for Ajayi, then trade for Crowell, then promote McFadden cause he was Jerry's guy. Now it seems all we are doing is taking the same script and just pushing it back a year. Why? Why would the Cowboys do that? Romo isn't getting any younger. Why take a chance with Randle if you don't believe in him? It just doesn't add up to me. The Cowboys had many opportunities to take a RB but they didn't. They had opportunities to trade for a RB. But they didn't. At what point do we stop projecting our fantasy desires onto the Cowboys plans and realize, hell, maybe they actually like Randle a little. I am by no means a Randle fan. I didn't even know who he was until the Cowboys let Murray walk. But I do know that they did nothing besides add McFadden to a team that was CLOSE to making a SuperBowl run. All I have to go by are the actions of the Cowboys. Their actions clearly show that they are fine with the RB situation. We may not be, but they seemingly are. Just food for thought. Why start all over again if Randle gets the job done? For name value? To appease fantasy owners. It wouldn't make a lick of sense.

One year, if that.

Short and sweet.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

I think this is reasonable. The Cowboys let Murray walk after an outstanding season, so based on that I don't see a reason for the Cowboys to lock Randle up long term, even if he does perform very well this season.

Given that Randle has been somewhat of an after thought until just recently, but with demand for him increasing, it seems like a good time to sell Randle to believers in him at a price much higher than it likely took to obtain him.

Not sure I'm buying this. Even if people believe he'll be a stop-gap, his value still has a ton of room to go up.

Let's operate under the assumption that he ends up with the lead back job week 1 of this season. Jumping ahead a little, I know, but I think most would agree he's the favorite right now so let's play.

I think we can all agree that any JAG in Dallas is going to be a pretty good fantasy contributor. At that point, when he's putting up points, his value is going to be supremely higher even if many don't believe he's a long-term answer. Long-term is what everyone is focused on in the offseason, but it often takes a backseat midseason.

Then let's say that Dallas drafts Ezekiel Elliot or Nick Chubb in the 1st round next year and Randle is sent packing after a modest season (which should be pretty easy if he's the guy getting the carries in Dallas). Even then, his value will still be high. Someone will pick him up with a chance to play and look at guys, even busts like Ben Tate or Toby Gerhart, when they went to a new team with a chance to get playing time. They still had pretty good value.

The bottom line is that ALL Randle has to do is hold down the lead back role against an already injured Darren McFadden that hasn't eclipsed 3.5ypc since FOUR YEARS ago and a likely-to-not-even-make-the-roster Ryan Williams and his value will multiply exponentially. We'll all say that it's the system but his value will still balloon just like it always does.

And that's operating under the assumption, btw, that Dallas would move on from him next year which I see no reason to do at 1st round or big money FA prices. Randle is 23 years old and still on his rookie deal through 2016. It seems like having a $700k running back running behind your expensive and dominant offensive line is a great place to save money that you can spend on guys who are really going to make a short-term difference during Tony Romo's last hurrah.

There is plenty of risk involved, sure, but I can't remember this much upside available at that spot in the draft recently. Would anyone really be THAT shocked if random-Dallas-starting-running-back put up 80% of what Murray did? Right now Randle certainly looks to be the lead random-Dallas-starting-running-back.

And one more thing that is crazy to me about this whole ordeal. If Dallas had spent their 5th round pick on David Cobb that guy's value would be off the charts right now, as a 5th round pick in Dallas with no NFL experience. Yet here we have Randle, a 5th round pick in Dallas that has actually looked good running the ball in Dallas and his value is a drop in the bucket compared to what Cobb's would be.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Would anyone really be THAT shocked if random-Dallas-starting-running-back put up 80% of what Murray did?

1,500 yards rushing and 11 TDs with 46 receptions for another 333 yards would be a little shocking to be honest. It's not out of the question of course but it's asking a lot (depending on what you think of Randle's talent at least).

Especially when most of the talk has centered around Randle being the lead back in a RBBC with McFadden and Dunbar while Murray was clearly used as a workhorse back with Dunbar and Randle seeing table scraps.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

I think this is reasonable. The Cowboys let Murray walk after an outstanding season, so based on that I don't see a reason for the Cowboys to lock Randle up long term, even if he does perform very well this season.

Given that Randle has been somewhat of an after thought until just recently, but with demand for him increasing, it seems like a good time to sell Randle to believers in him at a price much higher than it likely took to obtain him.

Hes signed for the next two years though, they dont have to lock him up long term. Think most are still very skeptical of Randle and wouldnt give up a lot for him. Time to sell is further down the road imo.

 

[georg013]

First it was no team. Then it was no way. Now it is not for long. Cant wait to see what comes next!

 

[cr8f]

Jerry Jones like showing how smart he is so don't be surprised if he rides one of these guys.

 

[Uncle Grandpa]

Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

As FreeBagel mentions above, there's quite a bit of dynasty value that can be harnessed before 2016. IF he wins the job and IF he does a serviceable job as lead back, he will command some pretty decent prices in a few months. Far more than the prices I've paid for him so far this offseason.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

First it was no team. Then it was no way. Now it is not for long. Cant wait to see what comes next!

 

[KellysHeroes]

Did you mention dmc was already hurt?

 

[Andrew74]

Randle is a FA in my dynasty league. I have no idea where to target him in the draft.

He ended up going at 1.11 with Perriman and Agholor still in the board.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Maybe if Montee Ball gets traded to be the starter in Dallas next month we can just merge the two threads.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Maybe if Montee Ball gets traded to be the starter in Dallas next month we can just merge the two threads.

No, you would need to merge Ball with the McFadden and Ryan Williams threads. The Cowboys are looking for a RB to compete for a back up spot, nothing more.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Everyone keeps waiting for him to slip up but July is a week away and before we know it Training Camp starts. Everyday that goes bye and he's not in the news is one day closer to us having the starting RB for the Dallas Cowboys

 

[georg013]

Denial is a fickle thing.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Everyone keeps waiting for him to slip up but July is a week away and before we know it Training Camp starts. Everyday that goes bye and he's not in the news is one day closer to us having the starting RB for the Dallas Cowboys

I don't anticipate him slipping up. That's pretty unlikely I'd think.

 

[Biabreakable]

Something just doesn't feel right about all this to me. Randle IMO isn't that good, plus he's a major knucklehead. I don't trust him at all. The Cowboys' front office has repeatedly made reference to keeping their options open and looking outside the team. His ADP is too high for my taste. If this were late August maybe I'd trust things more, but late June means there's still much than can change between now and Week 1. I'm avoiding him at the price it now takes to own him. Plus in dynasty I have to think he's at best a one year stopgap and the Cowboys will find their future starter before the 2016 season.

I think this is reasonable. The Cowboys let Murray walk after an outstanding season, so based on that I don't see a reason for the Cowboys to lock Randle up long term, even if he does perform very well this season.

Given that Randle has been somewhat of an after thought until just recently, but with demand for him increasing, it seems like a good time to sell Randle to believers in him at a price much higher than it likely took to obtain him.

Hes signed for the next two years though, they dont have to lock him up long term. Think most are still very skeptical of Randle and wouldnt give up a lot for him. Time to sell is further down the road imo.

You may be right about his value continuing to climb. Especially if he has some really good games this season.

My comment was more for Couch or people who may have rostered him already but are skeptical of him panning out. You could sell now still at a profit compared to what it took to get him a year or so ago.

Based on what Andrew74 said above, Randle going at pick 1.11 of a rookie/veteran draft before Perriman or Agholor. That's not bad ROI. Or Randle as a fourth round pick would mean he is in the top 50 players. That wouldn't be bad ROI either for a player who was maybe a 3rd round rookie pick in 2013 or picked up for free at some point after that.

 

[cr8f]

He went 4.02 in our 2013 rookie draft and was sold to me for $1 last year because I had Murray.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Big Trade Pending

Kellys Heroes Ver 6.7 gave up:
Dunbar, Lance DAL RB
Randle, Joseph DAL RB
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick from Kellys Heroes Ver 6.7

...gave up:
McKinnon, Jerick MIN RB
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
I have ADP

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

 

[georg013]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

He is a RB, it makes more likely to run through a brick wall. We need soldiers.

 

[Streetduck]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.

 

[georg013]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.

I'm wondering the same thing...

 

[cr8f]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Your posts say you love Randle then video games with the edge to Randle.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.

I'm wondering the same thing...

He just came here to enjoy your attractive avatar.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.

I'm wondering the same thing...

I've won a few championships and lost more. In 15 years of FF id say injuries were the single biggest factor in how well my teams performed, not random speculation in May and June.

I come to the shark pool to talk about football, not fantasy.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Your posts say you love Randle then video games with the edge to Randle.

Not unlike the majority of your posts, I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[T with T]

I think if he stays healthy he rushes for 1500... He has one of the greatest lines in history.

 

[georg013]

Random speculation? Sigh...

 

[georg013]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1558076-cowboys-run-game-has-tried-true-plan-pt-i (part 1)

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1558082-cowboys-run-game-has-tried-true-plan-pt-ii (part 2)

 

[Fresh Prince of Bel Nor]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1558076-cowboys-run-game-has-tried-true-plan-pt-i (part 1)

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1558082-cowboys-run-game-has-tried-true-plan-pt-ii (part 2)

What a great pair of articles. They are a little longer than most fantasy fluff pieces, but worth the time...excellent writing as well. Thanks for posting these. I traded away Andre for Randle and Boldin a couple weeks ago and was a little unsure about if I did the right thing. I feel much better after reading this.

 

[cr8f]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1558076-cowboys-run-game-has-tried-true-plan-pt-i (part 1)

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1558082-cowboys-run-game-has-tried-true-plan-pt-ii (part 2)

Nice articles.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I just watched an interview with this loser. He definitely isn't very bright and either smokes enough weed to get an elephant high or hasn't brushed his teeth since high school.

Thanks for this. He is safe to drop in all formats!

I couldn't care less about fantasy football.

Then why are you here? That statement makes no sense at all.

I'm wondering the same thing...

Im just here so i wont get fined

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think if he stays healthy he rushes for 1500... He has one of the greatest lines in history.

I wouldn't say history but in the past couple of yrs yeah

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Any chance Randle is a better receiving option the Murray (57/416 at a paltry 7.3 with 0 TDs) and gets more utilization?

They called JR a solid receiver with good hands leading up to the draft.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Any chance Randle is a better receiving option the Murray (57/416 at a paltry 7.3 with 0 TDs) and gets more utilization?

They called JR a solid receiver with good hands leading up to the draft.

7.3 isn't paltry for a RB. Thats pretty normal. RBs are mostly grabbing dump offs and swing passes, especially the bellcow type RBs like Murray.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Any chance Randle is a better receiving option the Murray (57/416 at a paltry 7.3 with 0 TDs) and gets more utilization?

They called JR a solid receiver with good hands leading up to the draft.

7.3 isn't paltry for a RB. Thats pretty normal. RBs are mostly grabbing dump offs and swing passes, especially the bellcow type RBs like Murray.

Its next to last among RBs who had 300 yards receiving. And Dallas has plenty of other options to remove coverage from him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Any chance Randle is a better receiving option the Murray (57/416 at a paltry 7.3 with 0 TDs) and gets more utilization?

They called JR a solid receiver with good hands leading up to the draft.

7.3 isn't paltry for a RB. Thats pretty normal. RBs are mostly grabbing dump offs and swing passes, especially the bellcow type RBs like Murray.

Its next to last among RBs who had 300 yards receiving. And Dallas has plenty of other options to remove coverage from him.

Is Jamal Charles not a good receiving option because he also averaged 7.3 ypr?

Gio averaged 8.1; Forte 7.9; Bradshaw 7.9; Fred Jackson 7.6; Reggie Bush 6.3; Justin Forsett 6.0; Lamar Miller 7.2; McFadden 5.9.

You also had guys like Foster, Ellington, Thomas, Vereen in the mid 8s.

Only Le'Veon Bell or pure receiving backs like Theo Riddick and Sproles came close to low-end WR ypr numbers in the 9.0-10.00 range.

Murray's ypr average is in line with most RBs like I said - RBs catch passes in the flat or dump-offs by nature mostly.

 

[Faust]

Matt Williamson ‏@WilliamsonNFL 2m2 minutes ago

Randle averages 2.5 yards per carry in his four #Cowboys games that he got double digit carries

 

[georg013]

Does Williamson provide any context with his tweet?

 

[Faust]

Does Williamson provide any context with his tweet?

Not so far. It appears that he did a drive by tweeting.

 

[georg013]

Does Williamson provide any context with his tweet?

Not so far. It appears that he did a drive by tweeting.

Ok. Thanks for the work Faust. Keep em coming!

 

[Streetduck]

Matt Williamson ‏@WilliamsonNFL 2m2 minutes ago

Randle averages 2.5 yards per carry in his four #Cowboys games that he got double digit carries

As detailed in the article by KD Drummond

In 2014, Randle carried the ball 10 or more times just once, Week 16 versus Indianapolis. He toted the rock 13 times for just 37 yards, a 2.85 ypc average. DeMarco Murray also played in that game. His totals? 22 rushes for 58 yards, a 2.64 ypc average. Both Dallas runners struggled mightily and this in no way should be used to characterize Randle’s skills.

Randle also carried the ball double-digit times over a three-game stretch early in 2013.

• Week 6 vs Washington: 11 carries, 17 yards
• Week 7 @ Philadelphia: 19 carries, 65 yards
• Week 8 @ Detroit: 14 carries, 26 yards

Again, it would behoove all involved if context was applied. Randle was nowhere near the physical specimen he was in 2014 and is now. The Cowboys were not a good running team, at all, from 2012 through the majority of 2013. It wan’t until the second-half of center Travis Frederick’s rookie year that the run game began to gel and to be used effectively. Murray himself had some clunkers in the early part of 2012. Week Two vs Kansas City where he rushed 12 times for 25 yards. Week Five vs Denver saw him net 12 carries for 43 yards.

Murray saw great success in the second half of the season in 2013. The only opportunity for a large amount of carries for Randle during that stretch? A 9 carry, 58 yard performance against Chicago in Week 14 (5.89 ypc).

Bottom line make your own decision. Some will be happy some will not no matter which way it goes.