Josh Cribbs (1 Viewer)

[hotlanta]

It looks like he's getting more involved in the offense every week. In week 3, he had 11 targets and had 5 catches for 58 yards and had 74 and a touchdown the week before. He's also being called on to run the ball a few times. Seeing as there is no clear receiving option in Cleveland and Massoqui is banged up, is Cribbs a worthwhile grab, especially in leagues that reward return yardage? If he continues to get looks on offense, he could be a triple threat, much like Harvin in 2009 and rack up the fantasy points. I'm thinking that when Delhomme comes back, he's going to have to pass to keep the Browns in games.

 

[WOW6616]

If you're in a return yardage league and this guy isn't owned there's something seriously wrong in that league.

 

[hotlanta]

If you're in a return yardage league and this guy isn't owned there's something seriously wrong in that league.

Nope, he's a FA, surpisingly. I think everyone is waiting for him to get more offensive touches. 1 point for every 25 return yards, doesn't add up fast, unless he's getting the receiving yards with them (1 pt for 10 rec. yards).

 

[WOW6616]

If you're in a return yardage league and this guy isn't owned there's something seriously wrong in that league.

Nope, he's a FA, surpisingly. I think everyone is waiting for him to get more offensive touches. 1 point for every 25 return yards, doesn't add up fast, unless he's getting the receiving yards with them (1 pt for 10 rec. yards).

Own Him now! Only reason he hasn't looked like the Cribbs of old is because teams have been kicking away from him but he still needs to owned in any league that awards points for return yards, go get him now.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If you're in a return yardage league and this guy isn't owned there's something seriously wrong in that league.

 

[SSOG]

If you're in a return yardage league and this guy isn't owned there's something seriously wrong in that league.

Depends on the league. There are lots of different scoring systems. I'm in a return yardage league that counts punt return yards the same as receiving yards, counts kickoff return yards half as much, and gives a penalty for every kickoff return attempt so that you don't start making positive points until you've made it at least 20 yards. In that scoring system, elite returners typically finish in the RB50/WR50 range if they aren't involved in the offense. The gold standard are the guys like Desean Jackson, Steve Breaston, or Devin Hester, who have a substantial enough role on the offense to be worth starting on offensive duty alone, because then the punt return yards are pure gravy.With that said, I just added Cribbs in one such league, because it he does start getting involved more on offense, he could be a sleeping giant. Last year's return numbers alone ranked him as WR50, but if you add in 600 yards of offense and 4 scores, he's suddenly WR10.

 

[WOW6616]

If you're in a return yardage league and this guy isn't owned there's something seriously wrong in that league.

Depends on the league. There are lots of different scoring systems. I'm in a return yardage league that counts punt return yards the same as receiving yards, counts kickoff return yards half as much, and gives a penalty for every kickoff return attempt so that you don't start making positive points until you've made it at least 20 yards. In that scoring system, elite returners typically finish in the RB50/WR50 range if they aren't involved in the offense. The gold standard are the guys like Desean Jackson, Steve Breaston, or Devin Hester, who have a substantial enough role on the offense to be worth starting on offensive duty alone, because then the punt return yards are pure gravy.With that said, I just added Cribbs in one such league, because it he does start getting involved more on offense, he could be a sleeping giant. Last year's return numbers alone ranked him as WR50, but if you add in 600 yards of offense and 4 scores, he's suddenly WR10.

So my original post still applies And no offense meant but in my opinion that's one funky scoring system.

 

[SSOG]

So my original post still applies And no offense meant but in my opinion that's one funky scoring system.

Nah, he's still a wildly speculative flier at this point. If he can get 600 yards of offense while maintaining his ridiculous return production (something Hester couldn't do), then he'll pay off, but I'm not holding my breath. I could have just as easily left him on the street.You're right that the scoring system is funky (no offense taken!), but personally, I love it. Kick returners get 20 yards just for staring blankly at a kickoff as it bounces out of the end zone, so why should they get fantasy points for a 20 yard return? It'd be like giving a punter points for a 20 yard punt from midfield (if your league has punters in it). Or giving an RB points for a single reception for -6 yards. I just don't get the sense of it. With the penalty per kick return attempt, if you want positive value, you're going to have to earn it. Whenever a player takes a kick back to the house, it winds up making a huge difference (about the equivalent of 100 more receiving yards). Most of the time, though, kickoff returns have no net positive or negative effect on a player's weekly score. We stole the scoring system directly from the old TSN Salary Cap fantasy football game, and it's my favorite scoring system ever. Yardage heavy, strong defensive scoring that is heavily influenced by points allowed, good positional balance, interesting and balanced return yardage scoring.Kick Return Yardage leagues are all so funky and non-mainstream, anyway, that you're going to see dozens of different variants. I've seen everything from 1pt-per-10 leagues (which are INSANE- Josh Cribbs can keep pace with Chris Johnson in such leagues) to 1-per-20 leagues to 1-per-50 leagues to leagues that score punt returns and kickoff returns differently and even to leagues (like mine) that give penalties per attempt. My broader point was that just because it's a return yardage league doesn't mean that Josh Cribbs is automatically a valuable asset. It all depends on the scoring system.

 

[hotlanta]

So my original post still applies And no offense meant but in my opinion that's one funky scoring system.

My broader point was that just because it's a return yardage league doesn't mean that Josh Cribbs is automatically a valuable asset. It all depends on the scoring system.

Exactly. In our league, unless he is substantially involved in the offense (just like SSOG mentioned, 600/4) than he is pretty much worthless. Even if hegets, say, 100 yards in returns in a game but no offensive touches, that's only 4 points in our scoring system. Which is equivalent to a receiver having40 yards in receptions. Not somebody who is going to stay on a fantasy team long term with that production. But, if you combine 100 yards in return andsay 60 or so yards receiving, that's suddenly 10 points. Big difference.

 

[jaylasoul14]

I think this guy will be a wr 3 even without return yards. He already has a passing attempt, 6 rushing attempts, and double digit catches. Writing is on the wall imo, this guy will get 10 combined touches a week from here on out. Plus delhome is back Magini realizes this is the teams best player and i feel he will be heavily involved in the offense moving forward

 

[hotlanta]

I think this guy will be a wr 3 even without return yards. He already has a passing attempt, 6 rushing attempts, and double digit catches. Writing is on the wall imo, this guy will get 10 combined touches a week from here on out. Plus delhome is back Magini realizes this is the teams best player and i feel he will be heavily involved in the offense moving forward

I hope so. Last 2 games he had Wallace throwing to him and he did alright. In the first game it was Delhomme and he did nothing.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

So my original post still applies And no offense meant but in my opinion that's one funky scoring system.

My broader point was that just because it's a return yardage league doesn't mean that Josh Cribbs is automatically a valuable asset. It all depends on the scoring system.

Exactly. In our league, unless he is substantially involved in the offense (just like SSOG mentioned, 600/4) than he is pretty much worthless. Even if hegets, say, 100 yards in returns in a game but no offensive touches, that's only 4 points in our scoring system. Which is equivalent to a receiver having40 yards in receptions. Not somebody who is going to stay on a fantasy team long term with that production. But, if you combine 100 yards in return andsay 60 or so yards receiving, that's suddenly 10 points. Big difference.

For those interested, last year Cribbs was WR21 in our scoring system, and 87th overall.He's currently WR35.In our system pure KRs typically aren't suitable for starting lineups except for bye week fill-ins. Unless, of course, they go off for 4+ TDs like Cribbs or Dante Hall, in which case you can start them as a WR3, weak WR2 in some special cases. I think that's the right balance for a scoring system. I would say in most leagues, KR and PR points are most valuable for IDPs [in the past, guys like McGee and Wilson spring to mind]. If they are full time players, return yardage can make them elite options.

 

[The_Underachiever]

Does cribbs look to be a better WR3 in non PPR, non PR then someone like Stephen Williams for the rest of the year?

 

[aimlessgun]

He could be a solid WR3 if involved even slightly in the offense.

In one of my leagues 1pt = 25 return / 10 punt

The nice thing about the return yardage is that it seems to establish a higher floor for him. Some WR3's you'd have could put up 0-2 points if you're unlucky. The return yards give Cribbs a cushion and make him much more likely to deliver at least a useful WR3 week (6-7 points).

 

[prgromek]

anybody rolling with Cribbs with Seneca starting?

I have him in there right now as my WR4 in a PPR

 

[MAC_32]

Seneca can't go down field, which will mean more looks in the short and intermediate game to Cribbs. Massaquoi's terrible and Robiskie's inactive (he can be argued as terrible too), the looks will be there, but Mangini has said if Cribbs needs a breather during the game it will come on offense and not at the expense of his special teams touches.

I'm starting him more places than I'm comfortable today, but at least 2 of the 4 have return yardage.