Josh Freeman and Tashard Choice (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

These a couple of guys I would like to hear other people's opinons about.

Josh Freeman...I didn't like him coming out of Kstate...thought he was overrated and not worth a first round pick.

Despite that he had a better rookie season than I thought he would....plus that poor situation.

Moving forward, Freeman is 22 years old....has Kellen Winslow, A. Benn, Mike Williams, and Stroughter in the slot. That's not a bad skill core.

Do yall see a high jump up with him?

Tashard Choice

I'm not a fan of Felix Jones and don't think he can carry the full load(never a season college or Pro with over 160 carries).

Barber looks wore down and less effective.

Is Choice the shark play? Will he have a big year?

 

[Garts]

I think the Cowboys will do whatever they can to feed Felix the ball till he blows up on the stat sheet or blows up from injury.

I think Choice is a solid player, but not special.

But in the that offence, if he gets a chance, could probably be a lower end RB2 if given 15 touches.

 

[Thomsen]

I really like Freeman. What I look for in rookies are flashes of greatness, and Freeman sure had some flashes last season. He has more weaponsnow and I expect much out of Benn and Williams. Freeman could, depending on matchups be a decent if not good bye week fill in, in redraft leagues.

 

[thatguy]

I love Freeman long term - has loads of potential. But I don't expect him to put it all together in the immediate future. I think it will take him a year or two more in the system and working with the young offensive cast around him before we see his reality meet his potential.

 

[finito]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

 

[Garts]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

how good can a QB be in T-Bay?

 

[finito]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

how good can a QB be in T-Bay?

A QB can be great in Tampa Bay.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

how good can a QB be in T-Bay?

What is this supposed to mean?The organization.....the city....the history???The only one of those that is relevant is the city. TB is a warm weather environment that is very condusive to a high passing attack. Compare that to Buffalo where sometime passing games struggle in cold weather.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The title of this thread is intriguing. I thought, what in the world do Josh Freeman and Tashard Choice have to do with one another?

I got it! they are the keys to your fantasy season!

 

[Avery]

Who are two people who have never been in my kitchen?

 

[Two Deep]

Choice reminds me of Pierre Thomas; best all around running back on his team not flashy but elusive and effective.

Freeman showed flashes of having very good touch on his passes and I think he can be coached to be a very effective passer.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Winslow has just had his 5th knee surgery in the last 6 years. This doesn't bode well for Freeman. Or the Bucs. And they have malcontent LT Penn holding out of OTAs over $$$. I'd be cautious of expecting much improvement from Freeman this year.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Winslo...-six-years.html

 

[Garts]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

how good can a QB be in T-Bay?

What is this supposed to mean?The organization.....the city....the history???The only one of those that is relevant is the city. TB is a warm weather environment that is very condusive to a high passing attack. Compare that to Buffalo where sometime passing games struggle in cold weather.

look at their history....crap passing attack

 

[TS Garp]

I love Freeman long term - has loads of potential. But I don't expect him to put it all together in the immediate future. I think it will take him a year or two more in the system and working with the young offensive cast around him before we see his reality meet his potential.

I think Freeman surprised most people by looking more athletic, poised, and resilient than advertised, and I think we'll see more flashes of hie vast potential this season, but he's really a guy you need to look at over the long term. I wouldn't expect huge things this season.I still like Choice a lot and you can pick him up pretty late, judging from his current ADP. I don't think there are many RB's you can get at that point who have his kind of upside. You also have to know that he could very well do nothing for you, if Felix and MB stay healthy, but he's worth stashing.

 

[spider321]

imho, Freeman will never amount to anything.

 

[gianmarco]

Would need to know the scoring system in your league to figure out if you should make this trade or not.

 

[Glaven]

I don't get the love that Josh Freeman is getting on these boards. Looking at Freeman's stats from last year, all signs point to that he wasn't very good:

1) He had a completion percentage of 54.6%.

2) He had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 10/18.

3) He had a subpar yards per attempt at 6.38.

4) He had a QB Rating of 59.9.

Granted his WRs weren't great last season, but unless Benn and Mike Williams set the world on fire next year his receiving options are still going to be well below average. If Freeman ever becomes a fantasy QB1, it won't be for at least a few more years; but most signs point toward Freeman never becoming a fantasy QB1.

 

[ty247]

I don't get the love that Josh Freeman is getting on these boards. Looking at Freeman's stats from last year, all signs point to that he wasn't very good:1) He had a completion percentage of 54.6%. 2) He had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 10/18. 3) He had a subpar yards per attempt at 6.38. 4) He had a QB Rating of 59.9.Granted his WRs weren't great last season, but unless Benn and Mike Williams set the world on fire next year his receiving options are still going to be well below average. If Freeman ever becomes a fantasy QB1, it won't be for at least a few more years; but most signs point toward Freeman never becoming a fantasy QB1.

How do you feel about Sanchez? Stafford?He had arguably better stats than both of them on the season.. with less first team reps as he came into the season the #3 QB on the roster and was thrust into a starting role.

 

[Blackjacks]

I don't get the love that Josh Freeman is getting on these boards. Looking at Freeman's stats from last year, all signs point to that he wasn't very good:1) He had a completion percentage of 54.6%. 2) He had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 10/18. 3) He had a subpar yards per attempt at 6.38. 4) He had a QB Rating of 59.9.Granted his WRs weren't great last season, but unless Benn and Mike Williams set the world on fire next year his receiving options are still going to be well below average. If Freeman ever becomes a fantasy QB1, it won't be for at least a few more years; but most signs point toward Freeman never becoming a fantasy QB1.

I agree his stats don't look very good but I can remember watching and seeing alot of poise and confidense spewing out of him. I thought he was picked way to early in last years' draft but I saw a spark in him last year that made me change my mind about him. I think TB has a nice young leader in their clubhouse.However, I don't like him from a fantasy perspective for a couple of years still.I would love Choice if a couple of things went his way this year.

 

[hangman]

Freeman's numbers are better than Peyton Manning's rookie stats, not that that means anything, but he did show some skills. With Choice, I would not invest too much in him. He is an injury waiting to happen, then do you waste a roster spot or be forced into picking up and relying on a lesser player? Unless your league has an IR or a very big roster, you can have him.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I don't get the love that Josh Freeman is getting on these boards. Looking at Freeman's stats from last year, all signs point to that he wasn't very good:1) He had a completion percentage of 54.6%. 2) He had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 10/18. 3) He had a subpar yards per attempt at 6.38. 4) He had a QB Rating of 59.9.Granted his WRs weren't great last season, but unless Benn and Mike Williams set the world on fire next year his receiving options are still going to be well below average. If Freeman ever becomes a fantasy QB1, it won't be for at least a few more years; but most signs point toward Freeman never becoming a fantasy QB1.

Another reason to hate Freeman. He's Buc's GM Mark Dominik's boy. Last year the Bucs traded up to get Freeman. They looked silly to some as probably no other team had him as more than a 2nd round grade. When the Bucs fail to get to 5 wins this year, the Glazers will be rolling Raheem Morris and Dominik out of town on a rail. The pressure will be to identify the scapegoat, and in Freeman's position, he has the cards stacked against him. When the new GM and coach comes aboard next year, they will inherit someone elses first round pick. Usually that doesn't bode well. The situation is that the Bucs are praying that thier rookie WRs can pull them through. Freeman's in a pressure-cooker of a situation.

 

[Jason Wood]

Freeman's numbers are better than Peyton Manning's rookie stats, not that that means anything, but he did show some skills. With Choice, I would not invest too much in him. He is an injury waiting to happen, then do you waste a roster spot or be forced into picking up and relying on a lesser player? Unless your league has an IR or a very big roster, you can have him.

On what planet?

 

[Nagle2998]

I'm a Freeman guy and the stats good or bad don't factor into it because I expected nothing last year considering what he had to play with at Wr and rb. He was also given a first year HC and a bad defense if you can name another Qb who excelled with such little support I would love to know who it was. Freeman had some ups and downs but he looked calm all the time can we say the same about most rookie Qb's.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm a Freeman guy and the stats good or bad don't factor into it because I expected nothing last year considering what he had to play with at Wr and rb. He was also given a first year HC and a bad defense if you can name another Qb who excelled with such little support I would love to know who it was. Freeman had some ups and downs but he looked calm all the time can we say the same about most rookie Qb's.

Exactly. The thing that impresses me about Freeman is the poise he showed last year in spite of his struggles. He struck me as one of those guys who won't let a bad play get the best of him, an essential element to success for a young QB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't get the love that Josh Freeman is getting on these boards. Looking at Freeman's stats from last year, all signs point to that he wasn't very good:1) He had a completion percentage of 54.6%. 2) He had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 10/18. 3) He had a subpar yards per attempt at 6.38. 4) He had a QB Rating of 59.9.Granted his WRs weren't great last season, but unless Benn and Mike Williams set the world on fire next year his receiving options are still going to be well below average. If Freeman ever becomes a fantasy QB1, it won't be for at least a few more years; but most signs point toward Freeman never becoming a fantasy QB1.

What is unique about Freeman is how young he is; his rookie season came a year earlier than the rookie season of most quarterbacks. He's the 10th youngest player in the last 50 years to throw a touchdown:

21-095	1992	Tommy Maddox21-132	1960	Jacky Lee21-203	1993	Drew Bledsoe21-226	1961	Fran Tarkenton*21-232	2009	Matthew Stafford21-272	1968	Greg Landry21-272	1969	Terry Hanratty21-279	1989	Eric Metcalf21-285	1964	Jack Concannon21-306	2009	Josh Freeman

At 21 years and 306 days, Freeman was very, very young. He's 4th in NFL history in total passing yards through age 21, behind Drew Bledsoe, Matt Stafford and Fran Tarkenton. Alex Smith had a 1/11 TD/INT ratio at age 21. Peyton Manning was 10 months older when his rookie season began than Freeman was last September.Bottom line? Freeman and Stafford were the NFL version of toddlers last year. Anything bad they did is the functional equivalent of being "cute." Tom Brady started his first game at 24; I don't think you can say anything about the stats of a 21 year old quarterback.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

how good can a QB be in T-Bay?

What is this supposed to mean?The organization.....the city....the history???The only one of those that is relevant is the city. TB is a warm weather environment that is very condusive to a high passing attack. Compare that to Buffalo where sometime passing games struggle in cold weather.

look at their history....crap passing attack

It's not smart to look that way....Colts were horrible before Peyton Manning too.Packers before Favre, etc etc

 

[theglorydays]

Freeman's numbers are better than Peyton Manning's rookie stats, not that that means anything, but he did show some skills. With Choice, I would not invest too much in him. He is an injury waiting to happen, then do you waste a roster spot or be forced into picking up and relying on a lesser player? Unless your league has an IR or a very big roster, you can have him.

 

[Thomsen]

I'm a Freeman guy and the stats good or bad don't factor into it because I expected nothing last year considering what he had to play with at Wr and rb. He was also given a first year HC and a bad defense if you can name another Qb who excelled with such little support I would love to know who it was. Freeman had some ups and downs but he looked calm all the time can we say the same about most rookie Qb's.

 

[Da Guru]

With T-Cho it is all about touches. Will he get enough in Dallas?

 

[Andrew Garda]

Before 2009 I didn't like Freeman's potential much. In fact I hated it. It didn't help when he did things like claim the team told him Leftwitch was just a smokescreen so people wouldn't know they wanted him.

But like has been mentioned he showed FAR more poise than I expected and while I'm not getting on the Freeman Train yet, I have come around a bit.

He's got some issues still and I don't believe we're on the verge of a breakout year but I think in a few years, he could be a viable fantasy starter.

I like Choice - good ability, but hard to say when his shot comes. Crowded group back there and they can all play.

 

[Norseman]

As SSOG stated above, Freeman got little if any time during training camp, as the Bucs had Luke McCown and Byron Leftwich battling for the starting QB spot. And after Leftwich won the battle and McCown got traded, Josh Johnson became the #2 QB. Freeman had very little practice before he was thrust into the starting role.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I rather pay a little extra and get MBIII over Choice

 

[karmarooster]

I'm a Freeman guy and the stats good or bad don't factor into it because I expected nothing last year considering what he had to play with at Wr and rb. He was also given a first year HC and a bad defense if you can name another Qb who excelled with such little support I would love to know who it was. Freeman had some ups and downs but he looked calm all the time can we say the same about most rookie Qb's.

Matt Stafford?Their numbers are very similar last year. Stafford has the following advantages over freeman: Calvin Johnson, Nate Burleson, Jahvid Best, and a dome.

Stafford's best games last year: 422 yards, 5 TDs, 2 INTs

Freeman's best game last year: 200 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm a Freeman guy and the stats good or bad don't factor into it because I expected nothing last year considering what he had to play with at Wr and rb. He was also given a first year HC and a bad defense if you can name another Qb who excelled with such little support I would love to know who it was. Freeman had some ups and downs but he looked calm all the time can we say the same about most rookie Qb's.

Matt Stafford?Their numbers are very similar last year. Stafford has the following advantages over freeman: Calvin Johnson, Nate Burleson, Jahvid Best, and a dome.

Stafford's best games last year: 422 yards, 5 TDs, 2 INTs

Freeman's best game last year: 200 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT

I'd say that Freeman's numbers were at least as good as Stafford's numbers were last season. One game doesn't mean too much, IMO.

 

[B. Nugget]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there.

Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed?

I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

 

[ty247]

As SSOG stated above, Freeman got little if any time during training camp, as the Bucs had Luke McCown and Byron Leftwich battling for the starting QB spot. And after Leftwich won the battle and McCown got traded, Josh Johnson became the #2 QB. Freeman had very little practice before he was thrust into the starting role.

LoL SSOG hasn't posted in this thread, that was me up above but thank you for the complement

 

[ty247]

This was a previous post that I wrote in a thread about dynasty QB's and who to buy on the cheap:

I think a great value buy this year is Josh Freeman; You can probably get him for next to nothing.Here's why I think he's worth picking up.He stepped into a dismal situation last year with Tampa Bay, with very few first team reps at all, and came out and produced.His stats were comparable to Sanchez's during the regular season, and that's with a lesser supporting cast.He's got first round pedigree, protypical size, cannon arm, and can run the football. He has excellent movement in the pocket, and is able to avoid the rush, and he's so big and strong he's difficult to take down.Tampa Bay looks to be building around him and added Benn and Williams, to go along with Stroughter and Winslow.. which gives him an excellent selection of young talent to throw to.His work ethic is phenomenal.. all off-season while everyone else was either vacationing or recovering from injuries/surgery, he was in the Buccaneers facilities with Stroughter in the film room, weight room and practice field.During the rookie mini camp, he was out there watching them, getting to know the new players.If you can grab him on the cheap do so and stash him away.

 

[karmarooster]

I'm a Freeman guy and the stats good or bad don't factor into it because I expected nothing last year considering what he had to play with at Wr and rb. He was also given a first year HC and a bad defense if you can name another Qb who excelled with such little support I would love to know who it was. Freeman had some ups and downs but he looked calm all the time can we say the same about most rookie Qb's.

Matt Stafford?Their numbers are very similar last year. Stafford has the following advantages over freeman: Calvin Johnson, Nate Burleson, Jahvid Best, and a dome.

Stafford's best games last year: 422 yards, 5 TDs, 2 INTs

Freeman's best game last year: 200 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT

I'd say that Freeman's numbers were at least as good as Stafford's numbers were last season. One game doesn't mean too much, IMO.

I agree their numbers were very similar.... but Nagle asked for a young rookie QB who played well (for a rookie, lets be honest) on a bad team with a first year HC. Stafford meets all of the criteria. He would love to know.Stafford vs. Freeman

Yards per game: 227 vs. 206

Yards per attempt: 6.0 vs. 6.4

Att/TD: 29 vs. 29

Att/INT: 19 vs. 16

I still think Stafford has a higher ceiling due to the talent around him.

 

[Beaumont]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there. Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed? I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

Freeman could have sued KState for lack of support. Our OL was in shambles for much of his career. He got pounded a lot and was constantly under pressure. He faces adversity well because he saw a whole lot of it with the Cats.

 

[moderated]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there.

Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed?

I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

What are you talking about? He was very very good in college outside of his freshman year.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there. Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed? I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

Freeman could have sued KState for lack of support. Our OL was in shambles for much of his career. He got pounded a lot and was constantly under pressure. He faces adversity well because he saw a whole lot of it with the Cats.

And that was one of the things scouts loved about Freeman going into the draft. They knew he had been beat up on a very bad team but always got up and was a good, tough leader. That's what first piqued my interest in Freeman.

 

[B. Nugget]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there.

Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed?

I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

What are you talking about? He was very very good in college outside of his freshman year.

What am I talking about? I'm talking about the 2 games that I personally watched him play (vs. Mizzou's horrid pass defense) where he went a combined 23-55 for 184 yds and 2 INTs... The only player I've ever seen with a worse stat line in person was Ryan Leaf against the Chiefs when he didn't complete a pass.To add that you thought he was very, very good you must not have watched him during conference season many times...At best he was the 4th or 5th best QB in the Big 12 during his best season behind McCoy, Bradford, Daniel, Harrell, Reesing, Robinson, Griffin III, etc... As a Mizzou fan, I can tell you that Chase Daniel put up much better stats and his season was seen as a big disappointment and he went undrafted.

Sure he has a freakishly strong arm, but that doesn't do you much good when you are bouncing fastballs at your TEs feet 12 yds down field.

I definitely am not knocking the kid. He has the measurables, but he is/was very raw and young at KSU and I think it will take surrounding him with some elite talent to fully take advantage of his skills as he grows...KW2, Benn, M. Williams is a pretty good start! I just can't dismiss what I saw.

 

[haterade]

Moving forward, Freeman is 22 years old....has Kellen Winslow, A. Benn, Mike Williams, and Stroughter in the slot. That's not a bad skill core.

can you name a worse skill core? ugh...

 

[Nagle2998]

Moving forward, Freeman is 22 years old....has Kellen Winslow, A. Benn, Mike Williams, and Stroughter in the slot. That's not a bad skill core.

can you name a worse skill core? ugh...

Yeah the one he had last year

 

[finito]

Moving forward, Freeman is 22 years old....has Kellen Winslow, A. Benn, Mike Williams, and Stroughter in the slot. That's not a bad skill core.

can you name a worse skill core? ugh...

Cleveland.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Moving forward, Freeman is 22 years old....has Kellen Winslow, A. Benn, Mike Williams, and Stroughter in the slot. That's not a bad skill core.

can you name a worse skill core? ugh...

Cleveland.

Buffalo, Jags, Denver, KC, Chicago, Seattle, STLOthers that the Bucs are closeetroit, Washington, Oakland

 

[footballsavvy]

Trying to buy Freeman in all my leagues. Think he has a huge ceiling, though this year my expectations aren't that much. He'll go through more growing pains, but I liked what I saw last season for the most part. He struggled at times, but also showed flashes of a big time QB.

how good can a QB be in T-Bay?

What is this supposed to mean?The organization.....the city....the history???The only one of those that is relevant is the city. TB is a warm weather environment that is very condusive to a high passing attack. Compare that to Buffalo where sometime passing games struggle in cold weather.

look at their history....crap passing attack

Look at the Saints history... even crappier passing attack. Sure didn't stop Brees from lighting it up the past few years.

 

[footballsavvy]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there.

Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed?

I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

What are you talking about? He was very very good in college outside of his freshman year.

What am I talking about? I'm talking about the 2 games that I personally watched him play (vs. Mizzou's horrid pass defense) where he went a combined 23-55 for 184 yds and 2 INTs... The only player I've ever seen with a worse stat line in person was Ryan Leaf against the Chiefs when he didn't complete a pass.To add that you thought he was very, very good you must not have watched him during conference season many times...At best he was the 4th or 5th best QB in the Big 12 during his best season behind McCoy, Bradford, Daniel, Harrell, Reesing, Robinson, Griffin III, etc... As a Mizzou fan, I can tell you that Chase Daniel put up much better stats and his season was seen as a big disappointment and he went undrafted.

Sure he has a freakishly strong arm, but that doesn't do you much good when you are bouncing fastballs at your TEs feet 12 yds down field.

I definitely am not knocking the kid. He has the measurables, but he is/was very raw and young at KSU and I think it will take surrounding him with some elite talent to fully take advantage of his skills as he grows...KW2, Benn, M. Williams is a pretty good start! I just can't dismiss what I saw.

You observations would hold more wieght if we hadn't already seen a season out of him at the NFL level. Clearly he has shown that he can play at the NFL level. The question now is regarding his upside? Is he a future career backup, a future career game manager, or a future career stud?

 

[Nagle2998]

Moving forward, Freeman is 22 years old....has Kellen Winslow, A. Benn, Mike Williams, and Stroughter in the slot. That's not a bad skill core.

can you name a worse skill core? ugh...

Cleveland.

Buffalo, Jags, Denver, KC, Chicago, Seattle, STLOthers that the Bucs are closeetroit, Washington, Oakland

I think you off on a few of them like Jacksonville, KC, and Denver but really when it comes right down to it the Browns IMO are the only ones I would say are close to the Bucs at the bottom. Most of the team you mentioned have some star or even average players at core positions where the Bucs are going with two rookies at Wr and a rbbc.

 

[B. Nugget]

I saw Freeman play twice in college and came away thinking that he might be the worst BCS QB I had ever seen and laughed when he went at 1.19 and chalked it up to R. Morris being at KSU during his tenure there.

Then I watched him play a few times and came away thinking this guy could be pretty good, but he was horrible in college most of the time. What changed?

I'm still leary of him, but I'm coming around slowly to where I would consider him if I needed a young QB to develop on my roster, but I just can't forget what I saw him do in college.

What are you talking about? He was very very good in college outside of his freshman year.

What am I talking about? I'm talking about the 2 games that I personally watched him play (vs. Mizzou's horrid pass defense) where he went a combined 23-55 for 184 yds and 2 INTs... The only player I've ever seen with a worse stat line in person was Ryan Leaf against the Chiefs when he didn't complete a pass.To add that you thought he was very, very good you must not have watched him during conference season many times...At best he was the 4th or 5th best QB in the Big 12 during his best season behind McCoy, Bradford, Daniel, Harrell, Reesing, Robinson, Griffin III, etc... As a Mizzou fan, I can tell you that Chase Daniel put up much better stats and his season was seen as a big disappointment and he went undrafted.

Sure he has a freakishly strong arm, but that doesn't do you much good when you are bouncing fastballs at your TEs feet 12 yds down field.

I definitely am not knocking the kid. He has the measurables, but he is/was very raw and young at KSU and I think it will take surrounding him with some elite talent to fully take advantage of his skills as he grows...KW2, Benn, M. Williams is a pretty good start! I just can't dismiss what I saw.

You observations would hold more wieght if we hadn't already seen a season out of him at the NFL level. Clearly he has shown that he can play at the NFL level. The question now is regarding his upside? Is he a future career backup, a future career game manager, or a future career stud?

10:18 TD/INT ratio is pretty ugly...he has shown flashes, which is what caught my attention, but his stats look similar to the QB I saw in college. I hope he puts it together and becomes a star, but to act like he is a can't miss prospect is silly, IMO.