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Josh Freeman, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1 Viewer)

I'm not saying Josh Freeman is a future stud, but I think we have to accept how much Vincent Jackson has helped this offense.

Now that they have VJax, Mike Williams can shift into a more comfortable role as a WR2, which he may be one of the better in the league.

also the addition of Doug Martin is going to start having an affect on teams weekly gameplans. I see Freeman as a low end QB1 for the rest of the year and a future we should be interested in.

A lot still have images of last year fresh in their mind, but I think its time to look past that.

I also think two years ago was misleading also, to be truthful, I'm not sure we can accurately determine what Freeman is right now because of his outrageously bi-polar career to date.

That said, I think there's some potential here, this looks like an emerging offense in a cake defensive division.

 
This was one of the more potentially problematic matchups Freeman had left on his schedule and from a fantasy perspective he passed with flying colors (262 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs). He can still make some scattershot throws and decisions so you rarely feel 100% great about him (except when he's playing the Saints) but with VJax and Williams delivering and Martin looking great on the ground there's huge potential here. I liked him as a high-upside QB2 the rest of the way but with so many top QBs struggling we may have to start viewing Freeman as a low-end QB1. He's definitely putting up much better numbers than that the past month.

 
'packersfan said:
This was one of the more potentially problematic matchups Freeman had left on his schedule and from a fantasy perspective he passed with flying colors (262 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs). He can still make some scattershot throws and decisions so you rarely feel 100% great about him (except when he's playing the Saints) but with VJax and Williams delivering and Martin looking great on the ground there's huge potential here. I liked him as a high-upside QB2 the rest of the way but with so many top QBs struggling we may have to start viewing Freeman as a low-end QB1. He's definitely putting up much better numbers than that the past month.
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:goodposting: im considering trading Ryan and rolling with Freeman the rest of the year. But i also drink too much and need to quit sleeping on park benches.
 
'packersfan said:
This was one of the more potentially problematic matchups Freeman had left on his schedule and from a fantasy perspective he passed with flying colors (262 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs). He can still make some scattershot throws and decisions so you rarely feel 100% great about him (except when he's playing the Saints) but with VJax and Williams delivering and Martin looking great on the ground there's huge potential here. I liked him as a high-upside QB2 the rest of the way but with so many top QBs struggling we may have to start viewing Freeman as a low-end QB1. He's definitely putting up much better numbers than that the past month.
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This is the angle I would use in trying to find a trade partner. Accuracy is poor and it looks primarily mechanical, which is difficult to fix in-season. Like Dalton was last week, great time to sell for anunder achiever or if you have a better #1 find a dteam desperate and upgrade elsewhere.
 
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.

 
'Heisman187 said:
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.
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I would be if his other numbers were less great. He has 8 ypa right now, which is extremely good, and that 3:1 TD/INT ratio is quite nice. If you look at his past two seasons, he was hitting 61%+ of his passes. It seems to me like his offense has been tailored a bit more to his skillset, which is getting the ball downfield. The kid has a rocket arm and they're letting him gun it, and it's paying off.
 
'Heisman187 said:
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.
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Eli Manning's completion percentage jumped from 56% to 60% between his 4th and 5th season. It has since steadily climbed up to 64%. I'm not saying Freeman is the next Eli, but the precedent is there for a similar jump.
 
'Phlash said:
'Heisman187 said:
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.
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I would be if his other numbers were less great. He has 8 ypa right now, which is extremely good, and that 3:1 TD/INT ratio is quite nice. If you look at his past two seasons, he was hitting 61%+ of his passes. It seems to me like his offense has been tailored a bit more to his skillset, which is getting the ball downfield. The kid has a rocket arm and they're letting him gun it, and it's paying off.
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A lot of his throws have been < 10 yds, a low comp % given that spray chart is alarming. He has some good play makers around him, but he is not that good himself. There are at least 15 better options than him, if you can swing a 2-for-1 deal upgrading another position then do it.
 
'Alluro said:
'Heisman187 said:
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.
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Eli Manning's completion percentage jumped from 56% to 60% between his 4th and 5th season. It has since steadily climbed up to 64%. I'm not saying Freeman is the next Eli, but the precedent is there for a similar jump.
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Yes, Eli was unstable his first few years in the league so that is a good historical example of one guy who improved his completion percentage after starting his career with a few year so-so seasons.Freeman is a guy who has intrigued me but he did start out shaky this year. In his first four games he passed for less than 800 yards with 5 TDs and 4 INTs. If you based what Josh Freeman was on those games you would have missed out on his current hot-streak.Of the 1,800 yards, 14 TDs, 5 INTs, that he's thrown for this season to date, he has over the last three games thrown for:1,012 yards, 9 TDs, and only 1 INT.The guy is sizzling right now so I am playing him and he had a solid game last night against what was the NFLs 11th ranked pass defense.I was the first reply to this post and feel my expectations are too low but I did note that the addition of Dough Martin would be a positive for Freeman and I think he has been helpful to Josh. Also the addition of Vincent Jackson has been a powerful positve influence on Mike Williams, even better than I anticipated so I think this current hot streak is more indicative of the overal offense gelling together so I like Freeman for the remainder of this year.I think you gotta start this guy if you have him.
 
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Freeman and say 1 other "decent" QB on your roster could ride you to the championship.

I really like his match-ups, and offensive players to go along with his progression this year.

If I had an Big name QB on my roster to go along with Freeman I'd try trading the big name.

 
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'MAC_32 said:
'Phlash said:
'Heisman187 said:
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.
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I would be if his other numbers were less great. He has 8 ypa right now, which is extremely good, and that 3:1 TD/INT ratio is quite nice. If you look at his past two seasons, he was hitting 61%+ of his passes. It seems to me like his offense has been tailored a bit more to his skillset, which is getting the ball downfield. The kid has a rocket arm and they're letting him gun it, and it's paying off.
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A lot of his throws have been < 10 yds, a low comp % given that spray chart is alarming. He has some good play makers around him, but he is not that good himself. There are at least 15 better options than him, if you can swing a 2-for-1 deal upgrading another position then do it.
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61.4% at 22 and 62.8% at 23 suggest accuracy isn't a problem. Ditto his insane yardage totals this year. He's just chucking it downfield a lot. Before this game and discounting the 95 yarder to VJax he was still #1 in yards/completion.
 
Hey, 2 people can look at the same thing and see something completely different. I see Freeman putting up numbers despite mediocre play, seeing the same thing in Dalton and Weeden. Will it continue? will they regress? immediately? next season? Hell if I know, I just don't feel comfortable risking it if I can use them to upgrade another position. Have to like his play makers around him, and I think they're the reason he's had a strong October, reason to be optimistic too - I just prefer my starters to be good players if I can control it. Relying on situation players leaves me queezy.

 
'MAC_32 said:
A lot of his throws have been < 10 yds, a low comp % given that spray chart is alarming. He has some good play makers around him, but he is not that good himself. There are at least 15 better options than him, if you can swing a 2-for-1 deal upgrading another position then do it.
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Per PFF, here are how his attempts break down:26 behind LOS89 0-9 yards55 10-19 yards30 20+ yardsI bet that represents a lower percentage of attempts <10 yards than most QBs.
 
'Bracie Smathers said:
'Alluro said:
'Heisman187 said:
Should owners be concerned with his 55% accuracy clip or just enjoy the fruits of his production? I want to buy but that percentage is jumping out at me.
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Eli Manning's completion percentage jumped from 56% to 60% between his 4th and 5th season. It has since steadily climbed up to 64%. I'm not saying Freeman is the next Eli, but the precedent is there for a similar jump.
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Yes, Eli was unstable his first few years in the league so that is a good historical example of one guy who improved his completion percentage after starting his career with a few year so-so seasons.Freeman is a guy who has intrigued me but he did start out shaky this year. In his first four games he passed for less than 800 yards with 5 TDs and 4 INTs. If you based what Josh Freeman was on those games you would have missed out on his current hot-streak.Of the 1,800 yards, 14 TDs, 5 INTs, that he's thrown for this season to date, he has over the last three games thrown for:1,012 yards, 9 TDs, and only 1 INT.The guy is sizzling right now so I am playing him and he had a solid game last night against what was the NFLs 11th ranked pass defense.I was the first reply to this post and feel my expectations are too low but I did note that the addition of Dough Martin would be a positive for Freeman and I think he has been helpful to Josh. Also the addition of Vincent Jackson has been a powerful positve influence on Mike Williams, even better than I anticipated so I think this current hot streak is more indicative of the overal offense gelling together so I like Freeman for the remainder of this year.I think you gotta start this guy if you have him.
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I just traded Cam and kept Freeman as my #2 along with Ryan. We start 2 qbs. I'm more than comfortable with Freeman as my #2 starter after upgrading another position by trading off Cam. Of course, Cam will now probably go on to throw 50 tds.
 
'flapgreen said:
I just traded Cam and kept Freeman as my #2 along with Ryan. We start 2 qbs. I'm more than comfortable with Freeman as my #2 starter after upgrading another position by trading off Cam. Of course, Cam will now probably go on to throw 50 tds.
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no high-jacking, but what is Cam currently going for in a 2QB league?
 
Got Freeman off the waiver wire this week (dropped Ponder) and seriously thinking about trading Romo and riding him the rest of the season.

 
'Acrobat7 said:
'flapgreen said:
I just traded Cam and kept Freeman as my #2 along with Ryan. We start 2 qbs. I'm more than comfortable with Freeman as my #2 starter after upgrading another position by trading off Cam. Of course, Cam will now probably go on to throw 50 tds.
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no high-jacking, but what is Cam currently going for in a 2QB league?
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I traded Cam and Gordon for Colston, but I wouldn't read into it that much. My league isn't serious business. He was desperate at qb. I needed a big name in return. And I really just wanted Cam off my team. I don't like rooting for players I don't like seeing succeed.
 
I'm trying to trade for Freeman in my dynasty and I'll get him soon! I would love to hear everyone's opinions on him for the rest of the year and beyond???? I was high on him his rookie year and of course after last season, I soured on him! Now I really like him and his prospects for the future. The rest of his sched is looking quite good and now that V-Jax is coming on, along with MW and Martin, I think/hope that this offense is just going to improve!! I hope my view of this situation is somewhat correct as I'm paying a decent price for him...not the best time to buy but for me, the time is now!!!!

WB

 
Wow! I would of thought that a discussion about Freeman would have gathered much more interest, especially now????? Maybe I'm a little to high on him (lol).....

 
'"The Waterboy" said:
Wow! I would of thought that a discussion about Freeman would have gathered much more interest, especially now????? Maybe I'm a little to high on him (lol).....
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It's a month later and this looks like the last post on him specifically.In terms of stretch run QB's his schedule looks pretty good:@DEN@PHINOStLHe had a poor game vs ATL.Anyone scared away by Denver?
 
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
'"The Waterboy" said:
Wow! I would of thought that a discussion about Freeman would have gathered much more interest, especially now????? Maybe I'm a little to high on him (lol).....
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It's a month later and this looks like the last post on him specifically.In terms of stretch run QB's his schedule looks pretty good:@DEN@PHINOStLHe had a poor game vs ATL.Anyone scared away by Denver?
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Nope. I think he'll have to throw a lot to keep up with Peyton. He has one stud WR, a strong No. 2 WR, a stud RB and Clark is emerging at TE. He has weapons everywhere and this offense loves to take shots down the field constantly. He can still be scattershot with his throws but given the offensive approach and the talent around him he doesn't need to complete a high number or percentage of passes to put up good to great fantasy numbers. Atlanta sucked but it can happen to the best of QBs (see Drew Brees and Matt Ryan Thursday night). I still like Freeman the rest of the way and I think he'll come through tomorrow vs. Denver.
 
'packersfan said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
'"The Waterboy" said:
Wow! I would of thought that a discussion about Freeman would have gathered much more interest, especially now????? Maybe I'm a little to high on him (lol).....
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It's a month later and this looks like the last post on him specifically.In terms of stretch run QB's his schedule looks pretty good:@DEN@PHINOStLHe had a poor game vs ATL.Anyone scared away by Denver?
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Nope. I think he'll have to throw a lot to keep up with Peyton. He has one stud WR, a strong No. 2 WR, a stud RB and Clark is emerging at TE. He has weapons everywhere and this offense loves to take shots down the field constantly. He can still be scattershot with his throws but given the offensive approach and the talent around him he doesn't need to complete a high number or percentage of passes to put up good to great fantasy numbers. Atlanta sucked but it can happen to the best of QBs (see Drew Brees and Matt Ryan Thursday night). I still like Freeman the rest of the way and I think he'll come through tomorrow vs. Denver.
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:goodposting: Manning should take advantage of TB's secondary and Freeman will probably have to throw more as a result. His schedule the rest of the way is nice indeed, as the Saints and Eagles' defenses have been putrid, and the Rams aren't a juggernaut. And if you play through Week 17, they play a Falcons team that may well have nothing to play for that week and could be resting a number of starters.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Champ owns vjax though.
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Even if Bailey shuts down VJax, Freeman still has Mike Williams to throw to, Martin out of the backfield and Clark against a Denver defense that has had problems with tight ends. Plus the volume should be there. I think Freeman has a very good chance to put up good numbers tomorrow.
 
Looking forward to the Saints matchup. Prob play him over matt ryan that week. Atl plays nyg and I bet they get killed. Freeman has made some real progress this season. Hopefully he finishes strong

 
I have an offer on the table for either Freeman or Eli & Megatron for A Rodgers & M Floyd. Both have NO in the next 2 weeks. Tough choice, but he has been very consistent. I have to give up Rodgers this year anyway, may as well get something.

 
'Tony Jabroni said:
I have an offer on the table for either Freeman or Eli & Megatron for A Rodgers & M Floyd. Both have NO in the next 2 weeks. Tough choice, but he has been very consistent. I have to give up Rodgers this year anyway, may as well get something.
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If you're going to lose Rodgers this year anyway then this is a no brainer.
 
'FreeBaGeL said:
'Tony Jabroni said:
I have an offer on the table for either Freeman or Eli & Megatron for A Rodgers & M Floyd. Both have NO in the next 2 weeks. Tough choice, but he has been very consistent. I have to give up Rodgers this year anyway, may as well get something.
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If you're going to lose Rodgers this year anyway then this is a no brainer.
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Yep. Just pulled the trigger. Freeman has been very consistent lately. Hopefully I can make it through the to the 2nd round when gets NO.
 
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Only anywhere but Tampa is Freeman considered a "good QB" fantasy or otherwise. The local beatwriters have been ripping on Freeman's poor play for weeks, and justifiably so. They seem to argue how "we should be happy to have Freeman, we can always get somebody worse" or something along those lines. Hardly ringing optimism. Whenever they focus on keys to the game, they always mention Freeman needing to improve his game.

Regression? I think it's worse than that.

 
I'm cutting his a** this week. He's been terrible for a month and today was an abomination considering the opposition.

 
After my trade discussed earlier in this thread, I may cut him for Russell Wilson..... to start in my championship game.

Wow. What a turd.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Only anywhere but Tampa is Freeman considered a "good QB" fantasy or otherwise. The local beatwriters have been ripping on Freeman's poor play for weeks, and justifiably so. They seem to argue how "we should be happy to have Freeman, we can always get somebody worse" or something along those lines. Hardly ringing optimism. Whenever they focus on keys to the game, they always mention Freeman needing to improve his game.Regression? I think it's worse than that.
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:yes:It's usually those that solely watch the box scores that are his supporters. Probably the same crew that was backing Matt Cassel in 2010.He's the new Jason Campbell. Excuse after Excuse will be made for him. Turns out he's just not that good.If you need a QB to lob balls to Jax/Williams all day, Freeman's your guy. If you want a QB that can execute timing routes, Freeman is one of the last guys you want. He's always late on them and can't read defenses.Teams are daring Freeman to beat them by stacking the line against Martin. Freeman can't beat them.
 
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'need2know said:
the worst part is I know hes not a good qb. I just though the match up was too good. never again
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Me and you both.Cost me a shot at my league's championship.
 
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