What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (2 Viewers)

Bayhawks said:
not necessarily; maybe it means he has found a synthethic drug that isn't detected, is using a new masking agent, has gotten lucky, or has failed a test that we don't know about.

But that's not the point; Goodell looked at ADP and said, "yeah, the courts acknowledged that it wasn't child abuse, and what you did, to many people, isn't a big deal, and you've acknowledged that you made a mistake, but since I don't feel that you have really changed (won't change the way you parent), I'm going to continue your suspension." 

He could just as easily say to Gordon "you've had no failed drug tests in the last (however long it's been), and only got the permanent suspension because you drank a beer after the season ended (and thought it was allowed), but since you're still hanging out in Vegas, with another suspected substance abuser, I don't think you've changed, so I'm not going to reinstate you."

It wouldn't be fair, but it wouldn't be a total surprise either, based on Goodell's past history.
Click to expand...
Pretty much this.  Goodell is a total child. 

 
Soulfly3 said:
So w Bryant pinched, you guys still gonna hold on to your theory that gordon failed a test, and it just hasnt been leaked yet? 

Lolz
Click to expand...
Lolz-you did realize Bryant didn't piss dirty this morning, right?  Probably happened months ago, & we are just finding out.  So that doesn't mean Gordon hasn't done so.

Again, that's not the point; I've said multiple times I expect him to be reinstated.  

 
Goodell is being ridiculous with all this. It should be if you fail you're out next day. If you paid your dues you're in next day. What is this months ago or 3 weeks stuff? I know at my job it's you know really quick and away you go.

 
Does Goodell even have control of the process anymore?  I presume he is but I know they changed some of the system, for example an independent arbitrator is handling Bryant's appeal not Goodell as he would have in the past.

 
Slider said:
Goodell is being ridiculous with all this. It should be if you fail you're out next day. If you paid your dues you're in next day. What is this months ago or 3 weeks stuff? I know at my job it's you know really quick and away you go.
Click to expand...
He's doing what the players agreed he should do.  Just like your employer would do what you agreed your employer should do.

 
Hankmoody said:
He's doing what the players agreed he should do.  Just like your employer would do what you agreed your employer should do.
Click to expand...
Your statement reads like a misrepresentation of reality.  They agreed to the CBA but I am fairly certain that their agreement had very little to do with the handling of disciplinary procedure.  That part was a bitter pill they had to swallow to maximize the financial considerations they were seeking.  The fact that Goodell has been stripped of some of his disciplinary authority without a renegotiation of the CBA is acknowledgment from the NFL that even they think they overstepped in that part of the negotiations.

 
Chaka said:
Your statement reads like a misrepresentation of reality.  They agreed to the CBA but I am fairly certain that their agreement had very little to do with the handling of disciplinary procedure.  That part was a bitter pill they had to swallow to maximize the financial considerations they were seeking.  The fact that Goodell has been stripped of some of his disciplinary authority without a renegotiation of the CBA is acknowledgment from the NFL that even they think they overstepped in that part of the negotiations.
Click to expand...
Disciplinary Action was part of the CBA.  The Substance Abuse policy was negotiated separately from the CBA.  CBA was done in 2011, SAP in 2014

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000393562/article/nflpa-approves-new-drug-policy-hgh-testing-included

 
Goodell is killing the Browns here. Dragging this through free agency and draft prep isn't fair to the team. Just ####### make a decision already, Rog.

 
Let's say hypothetically he does NOT get reinstated by whatever date that is coming up. 

What would that mean?  Assuming it had nothing to do with any sort of failed drug test or anything, just Rog bein Rog

 
Last edited by a moderator:
2uqypeu.jpg


delusional. we already established he isn't fit.. he's just snapchat fit.

this guy just doesn't get it

 
Will someone please remind me why a 21 year old American citizen isn't allowed to drink alcohol?

If he was a doctor or a teacher or a law enforcement officer it might make sense but an American football player? :loco:  

 
Chaka said:
Will someone please remind me why a 21 year old American citizen isn't allowed to drink alcohol?

If he was a doctor or a teacher or a law enforcement officer it might make sense but an American football player? :loco:  
Click to expand...
Do you really need someone to explain to you that there are rules set forth by his employer and he is expected to abide by them?  He and his negotiating union found these rules to be acceptable and agreed to them in a binding contact.

 
tangfoot said:
Do you really need someone to explain to you that there are rules set forth by his employer and he is expected to abide by them?  He and his negotiating union found these rules to be acceptable and agreed to them in a binding contact.
Click to expand...
Blah blah blah...we all know that. He has been and will continue to pay the penalty for what he did.  If I must expand on the question how is it even a negotiable term for a legal substance to any 21 year old American citizen in any state?

There is a disconnect there. You see that, right?

 
The funny part to me is that I would wager that 90%+ of NFL owners (probably 100%) are "Stay out of my business" small government conservatives but when it comes to other adult citizens maybe not so much.

 
Chaka said:
Blah blah blah...we all know that. He has been and will continue to pay the penalty for what he did.  If I must expand on the question how is it even a negotiable term for a legal substance to any 21 year old American citizen in any state?

There is a disconnect there. You see that, right?
Click to expand...
In a few years Marijuana will be a preferred method of treating pain over the current allowable painkillers. 

Yes it is stupid that he is not allowed to drink alcohol.  The only way that should ever be the case is when it is court mandated.  However, themz be the rulez

 
Chaka said:
Will someone please remind me why a 21 year old American citizen isn't allowed to drink alcohol?

If he was a doctor or a teacher or a law enforcement officer it might make sense but an American football player? :loco:  
Click to expand...


Collective bargainers gonna collectively bargain.

Everyone loves the leverage of union bargaining when it helps them stick it in the man's eye, but then they want to go all Frank Sinatra when when they realize the man is found in the compromise required of their union ties and those ties start to bind.

I have no sympathy.  They get what goes with it.

 
A kind of ominous late night tweet... Could be nothing, interesting nonetheless.   Does he know something we don't?

 
Followed up by...


Not sure how many of you play fantasy baseball, but perhaps a preemptive pickup is a shark move.

 
Chaka said:
Blah blah blah...we all know that. He has been and will continue to pay the penalty for what he did.  If I must expand on the question how is it even a negotiable term for a legal substance to any 21 year old American citizen in any state?

There is a disconnect there. You see that, right?
Click to expand...
I agree it's silly, but it's based on his past troubles with alcohol and a controlled substance.

 
Chaka said:
Blah blah blah...we all know that. He has been and will continue to pay the penalty for what he did.  If I must expand on the question how is it even a negotiable term for a legal substance to any 21 year old American citizen in any state?

There is a disconnect there. You see that, right?
Click to expand...
I'm not allowed to drink at work.

 
Chaka said:
Can your work tell you not to drink outside of work?
Click to expand...
If I embarrassed them with a DUI or even by being overly drunk at a Christmas party, I suppose they could seriously suggest that I stop - but no it is not within their rights to say I can not drink during non-working hours. However that is the difference, as the NFL is acting within their rights to do so.

I don't necessarily agree with the policies either, but that's really not relevant (or helpful) to Gordon's situation.

 
Chaka said:
Can your work tell you not to drink outside of work?
Click to expand...
If my union negotiated a boatload more money for me in exchange they can, and I'd happily agree. 

Dude, get over it, private business can regulate just about anything they want to.  Moreso when it's bargained by a recognized Trade Union.  If the employees don't like it they don't have to work there.  

 
I'm gonna have to give him a ring soon. 

I just hate calling him and asking him questions about this kind of stuff

 
NFL players are allowed to drink. Guys like Gordon, who have been in trouble repeatedly with drugs and alcohol, can't.  His decision to hang out with Manziel is a huge red flag that he still doesn't get it. It may be why Goodell is dragging his feet on deciding whether he deserves another chance or not. Who's he going to party with next, Charlie Sheen?  Just a very unintelligent guy.

 
"Still doesn't get it" = drinking / drugging

if he's not doing that, he "gets it". The CBA doesnt ban you from associating with certain persons (who, for the 1000th time, was his TEAMMATE, and rosetred NFL player), the tyrant has decided that upon himself.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Chaka said:
Can your work tell you not to drink outside of work?
Click to expand...
His work can, because the NFLPA gave them the power to do that, if individuals were entered into the substance abuse policy. 

IF his union hadn't given the NFL that power, and IF Gordon hadn't violated the substance abuse policy, then the NFL couldn't tell him not to drink outside of work either.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Soulfly3 said:
"Still doesn't get it" = drinking / drugging

if he's not doing that, he "gets it". The CBA doesnt ban you from associating with certain persons (who, for the 1000th time, was his TEAMMATE, and rosetred NFL player), the tyrant has decided that upon himself.
Click to expand...
Careful that may be coming.

 
Is it a big deal to take a picture? No. Is it a big deal to take a picture with a teammate? No.

Is it a big deal to take a picture with a teammate when the two teammates have had drug and alcohol issues and the picture was taken in one of the biggest hedonistic cities in the country? Possibly.

The real issue is that the optics on this look bad, even if it is completely innocent. It's like someone suspected of being a pedophile then having his picture taken outside a playground. It doesn't prove anything, but it sure doesn't look good.

Is it unfair that Gordon (who could be turning his life around) then gets lumped in with Manziel's issues (with recent escapades and nights of debauchery in the very same city just a few weeks ago)? Probably. But that's why Gordon needs a publicity or public relations team to help rebuild his image.

Gordon would be the same person in his personal life right now off the field whether he posted a pic with Manziel or if he posted a pic volunteering at a soup kitchen or a kids cancer ward. The rest of his life would be the same. But the public's perception for those two pictures would be 180 degrees the opposite.

Taking and posting a pic with Manziel does nothing to convince the public or the league that Gordon is any different. That's the price he has to pay for his past transgressions (whether the league handled that properly is a separate issue). He no longer gets the benefit of the doubt anymore.That's unfortunate, but true.

Manziel does not equal squeaky clean, and that's why taking pics with him is ill advised.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Was just told the next 48hrs we should be hearing something. 
Click to expand...
Not trolling - honest question because you're kind of setting the ceiling for his value.

You get offered the 1.03 for Gordon - so you're missing out on the widely assumed top two of EE and Treadwell - do you take it?  If not, what other picks in this draft would you require?

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

T
Travdogg's positional rankings from week 4 onward
2
Replies
73
Views
4K
stillfeelme
S
T
Travdogg's positional rankings from week 8 onward
Replies
25
Views
2K
travdogg
T
T
Travdogg's positional rankings from week 5 onward
Replies
37
Views
3K
travdogg
T

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top