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Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (1 Viewer)

Like I said, if they are "hanging out", I have reason to be worried. If they're snapping pics at a UFC event, where every name on the planet also was... I could not care less.
Whether you care or not is completely irrelevant. What matters is if the commish cares. Gordan could continue to test clean for years. But if the commish feels he is portraying bad judgement, he could not reinstate him based on his opinion of that conduct. How you can possibly not grasp that simple concept is beyond me. And why Gordan would take the risk, ANY risk, is beyond me.

 
 is perceived bad judgement, despite a plethora of positives something they will not reinstate for? 
It is not out of the realm of possibilities.. Goodell does not have to reinstate him to begin with.  I hate that a draconian policy and an overzealous authoritarian are getting in the way of a young man making an exceptional living, but this was dumb of him to do.  Even if it was just a dumb picture and this blows over.  

If you are about to face a parole board stemming from drug charges, do you really want the warden to see you socializing with other high profile trouble makers with drug/alchohol issues?  Even if all you were actually doing was eating a bologna sandwich.

 
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 is perceived bad judgement, despite a plethora of positives something they will not reinstate for? 
Honestly? The commish strikes me as a power hungry egotist. Nothing could come from that office that would surprise me. As the post above said, he has way to much power (IMHO) and the authority to make whatever decision he feels like. It's a dangerous situation for Gordon and he shouldn't take it even a little lightly.

 
Does anyone know if Gordon was actually "hanging out" with Johnny?  Or were the both in attendance at the fight, saw each other, and snapped a picture.  If it is:

A- just a picture and they were not actually hanging out more than just saying hi for a few minutes, then it would be silly to worry.

B- If they were actually spending time together, or even went to the fight together, then yes there would be concern considering it would be a really stupid move by Gordon for a number of reasons. 

When someone knows what was really going on here, please post it.

 
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Does anyone know if Gordon was actually "hanging out" with Johnny?  Or were the both in attendance at the fight, saw each other, and snapped a picture.  If it is:

A- just a picture and they were not actually hanging out more than just saying hi for a few minutes, then it would be silly to worry.

B- If they were actually spending time together, or even went to the fight together, then yes there would be concern considering it would be a really stupid move by Gordon for a number of reasons. 

When someone knows what was really going on here, please post it.
On the previous page, there's a link to a tweet of the Gordon/Manziel pic, saying the 2 of them attended the UFC fight TOGETHER, to which Gordon re-tweeted, "YUP" (or yes, right, etc).

So that seems to indicate they didn't just bump into each other & snap a selfie, although someone tried to downplay that by saying "everyone at the fight attended it together." :unsure:

 
So we are like a week away. :popcorn:
Pretty much yeah.  Not that they were ever in a hurry about it, but they weren't about to overshadow The Combine, then The Legal Tampering period, then NFL FA frenzy, with a bunch of big Pro Days for college stars.  Beginning next week there's a pretty big lull really until the draft, so that's a perfect time for them to announce.

 
Is it true that with his reinstatement he would be cleared from the substance abuse program. Seemed that way when others were talking about the new CBA.

 
Pretty much yeah.  Not that they were ever in a hurry about it, but they weren't about to overshadow The Combine, then The Legal Tampering period, then NFL FA frenzy, with a bunch of big Pro Days for college stars.  Beginning next week there's a pretty big lull really until the draft, so that's a perfect time for them to announce.
I would think that Goodell would rather try to not make it a big media story and announce it during a Friday evening media dump.

 
So that seems to indicate they didn't just bump into each other & snap a selfie, although someone tried to downplay that by saying "everyone at the fight attended it together." :unsure:
Of course it indicates that to people who want it to indicate that.

Happen to catch ANY other photos or vids of them that entire night? nay, ANY night

 
Of course it indicates that to people who want it to indicate that.

Happen to catch ANY other photos or vids of them that entire night? nay, ANY night
I bought Gordon last offseason in a dynasty and I'm hoping he's a big part of my team this year so I'm surely not hoping that he's not hanging out with Johnny Football. So I wouldn't say I "want it to indicate that". However, the common usage of some one saying that they "attended [Event X] together with...." would indicate that the two parties went together and not that they just happened to be in the same building - but I did admit that's a possible interpretation. I also have no idea what happened that night, and even if they did go together and hang out all night that anything bad happened. IMO that would be a poor decision of Gordon's part if he did, but it obviously wouldn't be catastrophic unless.... 

Let's put it this way I once sat a few yards away from Brad Pitt at a Stones concert. I surely didn't tell people I attended the show with Pitt.

 
Let's put it this way I once sat a few yards away from Brad Pitt at a Stones concert. I surely didn't tell people I attended the show with Pitt.
Did you take a photo with Brad Pitt? Were you both members of the same movie cast during that concert? 

Like I said.. If they are hanging out, it's an issue. If it's a photo of them at the same fight and they spent a few minutes together, I couldnt give less of a rat's ###

 
Did you take a photo with Brad Pitt? Were you both members of the same movie cast during that concert? 

Like I said.. If they are hanging out, it's an issue. If it's a photo of them at the same fight and they spent a few minutes together, I couldnt give less of a rat's ###
No - but I did see him flip off a bunch of frat boys who were heckling him calling his "pretty boy" - made me like him a bit more. That was hardly the point though - surprised you missed it.

I agree that a simple picture would only create a bad optic but in reality it wouldn't mean anything at all - but if they were indeed hanging out it would make me a little hesitant to believe that he's finally getting it and trying to turn his career around - even though admittedly even that could be a stretch. 

 
Of course it indicates that to people who want it to indicate that.

Happen to catch ANY other photos or vids of them that entire night? nay, ANY night
Wait, so Gordon replies "Yep" to a tweet that says he and Manziel attended the fight TOGETHER, and I'm reading what I want into that?

It didn't say "Gordon and Manziel both in attendance at UFC 196," it says they attended TOGETHER, and Gordon confirmed that.  Seems like you're reading what you want to read from that.

 
Did you take a photo with Brad Pitt? Were you both members of the same movie cast during that concert? 

Like I said.. If they are hanging out, it's an issue. If it's a photo of them at the same fight and they spent a few minutes together, I couldnt give less of a rat's ###
And had you just applied for reinstatement to the Screen actors' guild after being suspended for a year for sneaking into concerts?  And was Brad Pitt under fire for the year previous to this for possibly sneaking into Stones' concerts?  And was Pitt currently being investigated for criminal charges?

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
Is it true that with his reinstatement he would be cleared from the substance abuse program. Seemed that way when others were talking about the new CBA.
I think once you hit the SAP you're always going to be in the SAP?  I seem to remember the story of some offensive lineman who was literally in the woods in the middle of nowhere hunting/fishing when they called for him to take the piss test.  By the time he got back to cell range they threw him in the SAP "violators" level I for missing the piss test and he had to ride that out for the rest of his career... which basically just meant he got randomly tested more often.

Anyone remember this or know the answer to the OP?  Maybe something changed with the new CBA.

 
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The new CBA apparently allows for an individual to leave the program, from what I recall.

Just no idea how that happens

 
No QB. 40% of your line (and 70% of your line talent) just bolted. Is it going to matter if he's reinstated? A QB laid up on IR half the season due to the beatings he takes. No time for anything but heaves out of bounds or bail out throws to the backs before the sack. This FA season is making this whole thread irrelevant.

 
The new CBA apparently allows for an individual to leave the program, from what I recall.

Just no idea how that happens
"Minimum" two years from last failed test.  Unclear if the suspension re-starts the clock, but it probably doesn't.  Also not clear if his alcohol test counts as a failed test.  I don't recall if that triggered a suspension because it was considered an actual failed test or if it's just a violation of the Policy.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/09/13/nfl-new-drug-policy-three-things/15571205/

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28574928/von-miller-released-from-nfls-drug-program

 
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Bayhawks said:
On the previous page, there's a link to a tweet of the Gordon/Manziel pic, saying the 2 of them attended the UFC fight TOGETHER, to which Gordon re-tweeted, "YUP" (or yes, right, etc).

So that seems to indicate they didn't just bump into each other & snap a selfie, although someone tried to downplay that by saying "everyone at the fight attended it together." :unsure:
That doesnt actually indicate anything

 
That doesnt actually indicate anything
It indicates that when another source said Gordon and Manziel attended the fight TOGETHER, Gordon confirmed this fact.  That's all it indicates.  No one, (save Soufly) has suggested it means they were drinking or doing drugs. 

It does however, give rise to the question "why would Gordon do this, when Manziel appears to have his own issues with substance abuse?"  You (I think) expressed concern if this was a case of him "hanging out" with Gordon, it's questionable.  I am pretty sure Soulfly did, too.  If the two of you (who appear to be very solidly in Gordon's corner) consider this pic (under the right circumstances) questionable, how is Goodell (who may not be as supportive of Gordon as the two of you are) going to view it?  And since he holds all the power, it's how he views this pic that counts; not what you think, not what Soulfly think, and not what I think.

 
woah, slow down... clearly indicated they got high and then went to the fight together
Some people view everything as a negative.

You spin every little thing in a crazy way as something positive.

At the expense of sounding super crazy myself, I like to judge things with at least some factual basis.  I stand by the thought that it makes Gordon look bad and actually COULD hurt his reinstatement if he was hanging out with Johnny.  Goodell really is that big of a jagoff.   If it was just a picture and a hi how ya doing kinda thing, then it is totally irrelevant.   The crazy way to spin this is if he was hanging out with a guy using substances and was able to not use any himself as being positive.  That is NOT a positive thing.  At all.  Is it good if he didnt use?  Sure, but would show the poor judgement that  has gotten him suspended for most of the last two years.  NOTHING positive about spending significant time with a guy boozing up who is complete mess of a human being in every way imaginable right now, unless it is ok to come to work drunk and beat on your woman consistently. 

The pic itself is irrelevant, but nothing about that should be viewed as POSITIVE.  Not saying it's a negative either, but spinning anything about that as a positive would be beyond trolling.  Not even trolls are that stupid.

 
It indicates that when another source said Gordon and Manziel attended the fight TOGETHER, Gordon confirmed this fact.  That's all it indicates.  No one, (save Soufly) has suggested it means they were drinking or doing drugs. 

It does however, give rise to the question "why would Gordon do this, when Manziel appears to have his own issues with substance abuse?"  You (I think) expressed concern if this was a case of him "hanging out" with Gordon, it's questionable.  I am pretty sure Soulfly did, too.  If the two of you (who appear to be very solidly in Gordon's corner) consider this pic (under the right circumstances) questionable, how is Goodell (who may not be as supportive of Gordon as the two of you are) going to view it?  And since he holds all the power, it's how he views this pic that counts; not what you think, not what Soulfly think, and not what I think.
Again, I don't think Gordon's response indicates anything. 

I also have no idea why you think I am in Gordon's corner.  At all.  I am not in either "corner" here.

 
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Who said anything about the pic being a positive?

Sure as hell wasn't me. I said I couldn't care less about it.

 
Who said anything about the pic being a positive?

Sure as hell wasn't me. I said I couldn't care less about it.
I suppose the part where you said it showed he could be around a guy boozing up and not partake as being positive. 

Anyway, enough is enough.  You couldnt sound crazier about things if you tried.  Though you likely are trying, so there's that.

 
Again, I don't think Gordon's response indicates anything. 

I also have no idea why you think I am in Gordon's corner.  At all.  I am not in either "corner" here.
My apologies; I must be confusing you with someone else.

IF Gordon weren't in the process of trying to get reinstated, this would be even less of an issue than it is.  As it is, it should make FF owners (or potential FF owners) pause, I'd nothing more.  With regards to real life, I'm sure Goodell has taken note of the pic, and it COULD factor into his decision to reinstate or not.

 
If Gordon continues to test clean and stay out of trouble and Goodell doesn't reinstate him because of this stupid pic then Goodell should be fired immediately.

 
Hey guys, was AP banned from being around kids during his suspension?

Was Rice banned from being around women?

 
If Gordon continues to test clean and stay out of trouble and Goodell doesn't reinstate him because of this stupid pic then Goodell should be fired immediately.
Goodell didn't get fired for the Rice debacle, he didn't get fired for the Peterson situation, he didn't get fired for the Hardy situation, he didn't get fired for deflategate, he won't get fired if he decides not to reinstate Gordon, whether this pic factors into that decision or not.

 
Hey guys, was AP banned from being around kids during his suspension?

Was Rice banned from being around women?
Don't know, but Goodell did say that Peterson failing to change was a factor in continuing his suspension even after the legal system had concluded.

If you think its impossible for him to use similar logic in this case, you're being deliberately naive.

 
Doesn't pissing clean from the substance you've been banned from, mean you've changed?
not necessarily; maybe it means he has found a synthethic drug that isn't detected, is using a new masking agent, has gotten lucky, or has failed a test that we don't know about.

But that's not the point; Goodell looked at ADP and said, "yeah, the courts acknowledged that it wasn't child abuse, and what you did, to many people, isn't a big deal, and you've acknowledged that you made a mistake, but since I don't feel that you have really changed (won't change the way you parent), I'm going to continue your suspension." 

He could just as easily say to Gordon "you've had no failed drug tests in the last (however long it's been), and only got the permanent suspension because you drank a beer after the season ended (and thought it was allowed), but since you're still hanging out in Vegas, with another suspected substance abuser, I don't think you've changed, so I'm not going to reinstate you."

It wouldn't be fair, but it wouldn't be a total surprise either, based on Goodell's past history.

 
So w Bryant pinched, you guys still gonna hold on to your theory that gordon failed a test, and it just hasnt been leaked yet? 

Lolz

 

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