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Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (1 Viewer)

Hue has been feeding the ball to AJG for about 5 year now, I expect the same usage.  Only question is rust for Gordon and adjustment time for the QB.  I'm guessing he starts slow (maybe a buy low shot?) but 2nd half picks it up.  70/1100/8 this year.  Beasting in 2017 if they draft Wentz/Goff this year and he stays clean.

 
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Bucky86 said:
Whats happening here?
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Nothing.  People are freaking out because they think there is a deadline even though there really isn't one.

 
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Hankmoody said:
Has a player ever returned from an indefinite suspension?  Was that what Ricky Williams was?  Was that under Goodell?
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Has a player who was given an indefinite suspension ever stayed clean for that entire year? 

I can't think of one who has and then not been reinstated.

 
I moved him for 1.04, Martavis Bryant, and a swap of my draft picks in the second (2.09 for 2.03).

I think he plays, I think he'll do well.  But someone will give you a King's Ransom for this guy.  Buy Martavis Bryant low so you can flip him at the start of next season and voila.

 
I'm not sure where, how, or why people are thinking a decision on Gordon's reinstatement is imminent. Even though there is a set time frame and timeline in which the commissioner is supposed to decide, they have never enforced or stuck to it. They seem to go at their own pace. There are probably things going on behind the scenes that may extend the timeline. For example, Gordon has to prove he met all the guidelines for reinstatement and the league may be researching whether he is committed to change.

 
Anarchy99 said:
No concern about the Browns . . . how to put this delicately. . . less than stellar track record on draft day? They've drafted one first team All Pro player (Joe Thomas) in the past 25 years. That matches the Redskins with the fewest (they only had Champ Bailey).

# of first team All Pro players drafted since 1992 (based by who drafted them, not where they were an All Pro player):
12 players: CAR, NE
11 players: BAL, DEN, PIT, SEA, IND
10 players: DAL, SF, TEN
9 players: SD, KC
8 players: NOS, NYG, OAK, TB
7 players: ARI, CIN, CHI, NYJ, STL
6 players: HOU, MIA, PHI
5 players: ATL, GB, MIN
4 players: JAX
3 players: DET
2 players: BUF
1 player: CLE, WAS
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That's awesome DY.

Shows two things -- the value of finding a stud in the draft.  And also the value of swinging for a stud, period.  Have always suspected it's better to hit on 1/3 of stud swings than use all three picks for average contributors.

 
Not sure if posted in here, but Gordon deleated all of his tweets prior to February 11th (which include all the stuff with Manziel).  I don't use the Twitter, but why would one do that?  Starting anew? 

 
I assume that quote is recent.  Was it provoked?  Do they already know something the general public doesn't?

 
matttyl said:
I assume that quote is recent.  Was it provoked?  Do they already know something the general public doesn't?
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Browns EVP of football operations Sashi Brown said the team is proceeding as if Josh Gordon will not be on the roster this season.

Gordon has yet to be reinstated after serving a year-long suspension, and the organization "would need to see where his head is at" even if he is reinstated. Cleveland may play it slow with Gordon, but the reality is they have very little talent on offense. If Gordon is reinstated, he should be an offensive focal point.
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Yeah, proceeding as if you won't have him is just the prudent thing to do.  If he is reinstated, you proceed as if you will have him for the next two seasons, but with the concern that he could slip up again.  

I dunno if that's a negative, per se.

 
massraider said:
I dunno if that's a negative, per se.
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The negative could be the timing of it, and if it was a provoked statement or not - which is what I was alluding to above.  I mean, if they were asked about Gordon in a press conference, couldn't they have said "we are waiting to hear word from the NFL of his eligibility to play" or something similar.  If there was no question they were responding to, and it was just a statement made out of thin air, that's gotta be a huge negative, especially if that statement just happened this morning, when we're still awaiting word on if he'll be reinstated or not.

 
matttyl said:
The negative could be the timing of it, and if it was a provoked statement or not - which is what I was alluding to above.  I mean, if they were asked about Gordon in a press conference, couldn't they have said "we are waiting to hear word from the NFL of his eligibility to play" or something similar.  If there was no question they were responding to, and it was just a statement made out of thin air, that's gotta be a huge negative, especially if that statement just happened this morning, when we're still awaiting word on if he'll be reinstated or not.
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Franchises generally don't make these types of statements out of this air. Then again, this is the Browns.

 
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To me, it sounds like they'er just being smart.

And just lends further credence to the possibilty that they may in fact trade him this offseason, even if reinstated. I just got that feeling all along. 

 
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Lots of thirsty individuals in here. Stop reading into every Tweet, post, and comment. We will know soon enough. 

 
Nothing to see here (yet).  Until he's reinstated he's not, and that's how they are proceeding.  Which is odd to see the Browns doing, but hey that's progress.

 
Bucky86 said:
I really kind of do feel bad for the Browns and their fans. Sure, they're a ####ty franchise on their own, but to delay any longer in announcing whether their best receiver is going to reinstated is kind of a Richard move.
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Well, Goodell is a giant Richard, so...

 
steelers1080 said:
Well, ideally they'd probably want to know prior to the draft... They have basically 0 talent there right now at WR.
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See, this is why I think that doesn't matter:

What if Gordon does get reinstated before the draft?  The Browns gonna decide to NOT draft a WR they like, because they have Gordon?

They should make no decisions regarding their team, because they have Gordon, other than holding a roster spot for him.  You don't go pass on a WR you like because you have Gordon.  He has demonstrated that he cannot be counted on.  If they get a good WR, and Gordon turns into a swell guy that kills it for the Browns, then  you have two good WRs.  The Browns have room for two WRs.  

 
massraider said:
The phrase ''move up'' shouldn't be in the CLE lexicon for about 3 years.  
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yes... and no... mostly yes...

Coleman, imo os the most dynamic and elite WR in this draft... He is also the perfect complimentary WR to gordon (doesnt play a very similar game)

If an elite player falls to the mid/late 1st, as I believe Coleman is, and you have the chance to nab him.. You should (provided the price is reasonable). Browns need to rebuild. yes. browns are far from being a contender. yes.

but you also need elite players. get them if at all possible... 

 
Trading up for a 5'10'' WR would not alleviate my concern about the Browns front office.  And I love Coleman.  I think he's a little bad###.  

Trading up would involve multiple premium draft picks.  Their 2nd and 3rd, at least.  At LEAST.  

And now that's 2 rounds they are out on, and two rounds they cannot trade down in, and acquire more young players on cheap 4 year deals that will almost guarantee to make the squad.  

If I'm a Browns fan, I would be hoping they are taking calls on moving down in every round, including the 1st round.  I'd be hoping for 10-12 draft picks this year.  

 
massraider said:
Trading up for a 5'10'' WR would not alleviate my concern about the Browns front office.  And I love Coleman.  I think he's a little bad###.  

Trading up would involve multiple premium draft picks.  Their 2nd and 3rd, at least.  At LEAST.  

And now that's 2 rounds they are out on, and two rounds they cannot trade down in, and acquire more young players on cheap 4 year deals that will almost guarantee to make the squad.  

If I'm a Browns fan, I would be hoping they are taking calls on moving down in every round, including the 1st round.  I'd be hoping for 10-12 draft picks this year.  
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And without making any prognostication on Coleman's potential at all - trading up for a wide receiver given the state of that roster would make a move up even worse.

 
Agreed.  The Browns need more picks not fewer picks.  It's far too soon for them to be swinging for "game changers".

 
The other thing about draft picks:  They can't go anywhere.  Browns are going to be a 'bad' free agency destination for at least another year. 

 
Hue Likes to trade, ie Palmer in 2012.   They should be trading back unless they absolutely 100% find their QB of the future is a t 2.   If not, turn the 1.2 into multiple 1s and 2s....

 
domvin said:
Hue Likes to trade, ie Palmer in 2012.   They should be trading back unless they absolutely 100% find their QB of the future is a t 2.   If not, turn the 1.2 into multiple 1s and 2s....
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I am not sure Hue likes to trade.  Trading for Palmer in (it was '11 actually) was a desperation move.  They were 4-2 and lost Campbell in week 6, Hue really thought he had a shot at the playoffs and went all in on Palmer.  Not surprisingly, it didn't pay off and set back the franchise.

But I agree that any trading they do should be for more draft picks unless they are sold on Goff or Wentz.

 
2016 Cleveland Browns Draft


Round


Selection


Player


Position


College


1


2


 


 


 


2


32


 


 


 


3


65


 


 


 


4


99


 


 


 


4


138


 


 


 


5


141


 


 


 


5


172


 


 


 


5


173


 


 


 


6


176


 


 


 


7


223


 


 


 

 
Ok, so.... Do you trade your 2/4/5 to move up for Coleman

or hope you hit paydirt on a 4th and 5th round player (keeping in mind u have another 4th and 2 5th rnd picks remaining)?

Honest question. 

 
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