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Jp Losman named starter against Bengals (1 Viewer)
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Is Edwards hurt or is it because Losman got them some points?
time for him to win the starting job back.
GoBills02
Footballguy
now let's hope Fairchild gives him a chance too!!!!!!!
buddyboy
Footballguy
Good, he's the right choice even if both are healthy. Fantasy wise Losman is better too since the Bills actually throw downfield some when he is in the game. I know if I owned Evans I'd feel better about his chances this week to put up good numbers. It should be a close fairly high scoring game.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I agree he should have never lost his job but fact is he did and I wasn't sure he would get it back. I wonder if it's too late for me to get Evans back from the owner I dumped him on?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Edwards is going to be so much better of a pro QB it's not even funny. I know Edwards is banged up, & if Losman is starting because of injury, that fine, but is it's any other reason, it's a mistake. Period. If it's not because of injury, are they trying to showcase Losman? I don't get it. Playing him now will only lesson his value, LOL. I realize they believe Edwards is the future, but I'm a believer in playing for the future if you're out of the playoff hunt now.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Damn, time to buy Evans was two weeks ago. Now, faghet about it!!
GoBills02
Footballguy
What do you base your opinion on? I'm not getting into an argument with you, I'm so sick of reading the Pro Edward and Pro Losman opinions, just wondering your basis for that. I like Edwards, I just don't think he gives us the best chance to win right now, and 3-4 with this team? I'll take it, 2 plays away from being 5-2 and hailing the 2007 Bills as the 2006 Saints.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
150 yards and 2 td`s at home 
from Evans vs The bungles
from Evans vs The bunglesdcgangstas
Footballguy
With Edwards, there was just too much "dink-and-dunk" passing with him. I know he's a rookie, but when you have a playmaker that had 1300 yards receiving and 9 TDs last season in Evans, you get him the ball, instead of throwing three-yard outs to Roscoe Parrish and Robert Royal.
Here comes the 2nd half Evans surge (not trying to sound like an Evan-gelist )
Here comes the 2nd half Evans surge (not trying to sound like an Evan-gelist )
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
I just picked up Losman, since I had no other QB's. Should get me by this week vs. the Bengals.
EXACTLY !! This is like Delhomme locking into SSmith !!!!
munchkin
Footballguy
If Losman doesn't play better than Delhomme did before he got injured Edwards will have his job back sooner rather than later.EXACTLY !! This is like Delhomme locking into SSmith !!!!
PahtyTom
Footballguy
If Losman doesn't play better than Delhomme did before he got injured Edwards will have his job back sooner rather than later.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I love all the optimism for Evans going forward, but I'm just not feeling it. I hope I am wrong, but I just expect more of the same.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I can't even bear to read the forums at TBD anymore, because it seems like every thread is a complete pissing contest between the JP people and the TE people.
I like Edwards and I generally supported the decision to go with him as the starter, but I have no problem saying that I hope Losman lights up the Bengals. If he creates a headache for the coaching staff by playing well, that's great. That's the "good" kind of quarterback controversy.
I just can't get over the number of "fans" who feel the need to tear down the other guy.
I like Edwards and I generally supported the decision to go with him as the starter, but I have no problem saying that I hope Losman lights up the Bengals. If he creates a headache for the coaching staff by playing well, that's great. That's the "good" kind of quarterback controversy.
I just can't get over the number of "fans" who feel the need to tear down the other guy.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
That reminds me . . . I have a bet with someone that Losman will outproduce Romo this year. Checking the scoreboard, Romo is ahead 174 to 26 at the halfway point in the season.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
The only Bills fans who should be happy about this are Evans owners. When Losman drops back if his first read(Evans) is not open, his arm starts shaking, and legs get twitchy, usually resulting in him running around the pocket until he gets sacked or throws an Int. He is clearly not as bright, and lacks the pocket presence of Edwards. I know Edwards doesnt stretch the field like Losman, but he spreads the ball around better than Losman. Also, i was starting to notice Edwards throwing downfield a bit more lately, which should be the case for a rookie QB does.One more thing, if Evans deosnt wrestle that deep throw from the defender, who should start is not even a question(unless Edwards is hurt).
Let's look at the stats:Edwards: 80/121 (66.1%) for 790 yards (6.5 y/a), 1TD/5INTs, 9 sacks, 1 fumble, 4 rushes for 7 yardsLosman: 33/52 (63.5%) for 368 yards (7.1 y/a), 1TD/1INT, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 6 rushes for 51 yardssample size is obviously pretty small, but those 5 interceptions for Edwards really stand out. The kid has shown promise, but Losman absolutely gives the team a better chance to win right now. He's much more comfortable with the offense, has great chemistry with the team's best playmaker, has more mobility, a bigger arm, and proved last year that he can produce like an above-average QB. Edwards has the edge in accuracy and seems to make quicker decisions although that hasn't stopped him from turning the ball over in several crucial situations.The correct move is absolutely to play Losman now. This team is 3-4 but 2 last-second plays from being 5-2. It's too early to give up on the season. Once we've seen Losman get some more starts now that the offensive line and defense is playing better, then we'll have a better idea of what he's capable of. Then, the team can evaluate things in the offseason and trade Losman if they decide to go with the cheaper option in Edwards. Naming Edwards the starter for the rest of the season was a dumb thing to do, IMO, but fortunately the Edwards injury gives Jauron and the coaches a chance to fix that error.If Losman bombs, the team really is in no worse shape than they were a week or two ago. But, if he goes out and plays well, then the team has a very valuable trading commodity in their pocket when the offseason rolls around.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I can forgive Edwards for his mistakes, as he is a rookie and still learning. Losman has no excuses for running around like a chicken with its head cutoff everytime Evans is covered. I also blame Jauron for two of Edwards interceptions, particularly the one with 6 minutes left in the Cowboys game. By no means do i think Edwards is the next great QB, and have always been willing to stick by Losman, but it has become clear, Edwards is the future of the Bills. Not to mention he has given the Bills a shot to win every game he has started THIS year.
from what I've heard, the coaches told Edwards something along the lines of "whatever you do, don't throw an interception" or "if the play isn't there, throw it away" on that 3rd and 8 play against Dallas. Edwards still turned it over, and he did the same thing against Baltimore last weekend when there was no need to force it. blaming the coaches is an easy out. Edwards just isn't ready to be the man.as a Bills fan, I'm completely sick of playing the guy with "potential". Losman is the better QB right now. He proved it last year. He got hammered by a Jets defender just as he unleashed that 85-yd TD pass to Evans this week. He is not afraid to take a hit if it means making a big play. Edwards, however, is captain checkdown. Sure, he avoids some sacks and incompletions, but he's very quick to take the easy play when there might be a much bigger play to be made. I think he can learn to be more aggressive...particularly when he has a better grasp of the offense and better chemistry with his WRs....but right now, this should be Losman's team. He earned it with his play last year. The playcalling and pass protection in the first two games was awful. Losman took far too much heat for his shaky play in those games. The defense has gotten much better since then too so the coaches aren't going to call run plays 70% of the time in an attempt to keep the D off the field.Bills fans have almost always been far too quick to throw a guy under the bus when he struggles a bit, and this is just the latest example of that. There are plenty of Pro Bowl QBs around the league who play bad for a few games but are still given a chance to work themselves through it. Losman isn't as proven as them, but based on the way he played last season, I think it's way way way too early to write him off.As for Edwards giving the team a chance to win in every game he has started, that's kind of a silly statement to make. Losman started against Denver and the Bills should have won that game. He started against the Steelers and they got blown out. Losman had 1 pass attempt against New England before getting hurt, so even though he technically was the "starter", that was Edwards' game and they had no chance. Edwards only had a chance to win against Dallas b/c the defense and special teams got him 6 turnovers and 21 points. Against the Jets this week, Edwards could only lead the offense to 3 points but was fortunate that the defense only gave up 3 themselves. Losman came in and led the team to 10 points in 2 drives.Bottom line, if Edwards is supposed to be the guy who "manages the game" better and "takes what the defense gives him", he shouldn't be throwing 5 interceptions in 5.5 games when Losman has only thrown 1 in 2.5 games. Losman may take an extra sack or two and throw a bounce pass once in awhile, but he'll also throw fewer interceptions and make many more big plays to more than make up for them.As for the people who think Edwards is clearly the QB of the future for this franchise so you might as well play him, that also doesn't really hold up. JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn are pretty clearly the QBs of the future in Oakland and Cleveland but they aren't starting yet. There's absolutely no harm that can come from letting Edwards practice, study, and learn from the sidelines for the rest of this season. The team already invested 3+ years in Losman. I'm sick of constantly rebuilding and waiting for a QB to come around and be the savior of the franchise.At least we'll get a chance to see what Losman can do against the Bengals. If he stinks, then it's easier to go back to Edwards. But, if he plays well, I don't see how the team can go back to Edwards given the way things have been going. The only positive I guess is that it probably means the team will do worse so they'll wind up with a better draft pick...and hopefully Losman can showcase himself in this game to improve his trade value.
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Bodysnatcher
Footballguy
Losman has a real chance to showcase himself this week, and at least another one vs Miami in week 10. Those should be huge games, keeping him in as the starter.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Agree with you 110%. FINALLY, someone who makes sense. I couldn't have said this better myself. For everybody giving Losman the loss against NE and Edwards the win against NYJ... it's not that easy...Look at what Aaron said:
The Bills O was pitiful against Dallas. Their defense stepped up huge and Edwards couldn't put more than 3 points on the board. If he did, they would've won. He needed to make 1 or 2 big plays all game and couldn't do it.He played one of the worst defenses in the league this week and put up 3 points. Losman comes in, leads the team to two scoring drives and nearly a 3rd if Parrish didn't drop that ball that hit him right in the numbers. But clearly Edwards is better you say. Maybe because the rest of the team stepped up their play around the same time Losman got injured. The line has been much better, the defense has been excellent. This is why Edwards looks favorable to many of you. It's not that he's better, it's that the team has been. Once Losman gets his shot with the same play from the OLine & Defense, you will quickly change your mind about Losman sucking...
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D_House
Footballguy
Should be a good one week start. At home against a crappy offense and with a chip on his shoulder. The Bills' playcalling has been ultraconservative, so that's a concern, but if Palmer, 85, and Housh can get it going against an improving Bills DEF, this could be a real big week for Losman.
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
I am dancing with yaHere is the reaction from all Lee Evans owners
I am hoping Losman can keep the gig. This is a great schedule for Evans. Especially during the playoffs. 9 Nov 04 CIN @ BUF 10 Nov 11 BUF @ MIA 11 Nov 18 NE @ BUF 12 Nov 25 BUF @ JAC 13 Dec 02 BUF @ WAS 14 Dec 09 MIA @ BUF 15 Dec 16 BUF @ CLE 16 Dec 23 NYG @ BUF 17 Dec 30 BUF @ PHI
switz
Footballguy
Ummm, no he hasn't. While he didn't "start" the NE game, he played all but like 2 snaps of it...Burning Sensation said:
He had a great game against the Jets on Sep 30, then...
He didn't give them a shot to beat Dallas. Defense and Special Teams did their job, the best they could. Edwards did nothing on offense, which is why the Bills lost. Sure, D and ST let them down at the end, but that would have been meaningless had Edwards led them to at least one score.
He was awful against Baltimore, 153 yards and an INT. ZERO TDs.
He didn't give them a good shot this past week, only leading the team to a field goal again through three quarters against the woeful Jets. Losman came in and led the team to 10 points in a quarter plus 3 minutes.
So he's had one good game. And interestingly, the first time a team with real film and action against him got to play him again (the Jets) they shut him down.
I don't care which QB succeeds as long as one of them does, but right now, it's apparent that Losman is the one that gives them the best chance to win. They almost beat DEN, and then faced the tough Steelers. That's a tough two games, but hardly ammunition to say Losman is a loser at QB.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Small sample size
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Ummm, yes he has.Edwards is 3-1 as a starter, only losing to the 6-1 Cowboys, and thats was lost because of bad coaching.
switz
Footballguy
It doesn't matter what their record is, my point was with your giving HIM credit. As I clearly pointed out, TE had little if anything to do with their wins. And he's really 2-2. He played the majority of the NE game (all but two snaps) and they lost. They weren't beating the Jets when he left the game. Losman beat the Jets.So NO, he DIDN'T put the team in a position to win, they won DESPITE him, NOT because of him.
You're better than this... to put the Cowboys loss on coaching is to ignore the big picture. To give credit to TE for the Jets win is to ignore the big picture. The only game he played decent in was the first Jets game. One good game, that's all. The other games he was TERRIBLE. He hurt the team more than helped them.
GoBills02
Footballguy
Rudnicki,
You are now allowed by my lawyers to speak for me whenever you'd like. On the money.
And for those pro Edwards people, do you watch all the Bils games? I'm not trying to pick sides, but as Aaron pointed out, JP gives the Bills the best chance to succeed now. i just hope the coaches give him a chance with the play calling.
You are now allowed by my lawyers to speak for me whenever you'd like. On the money.
And for those pro Edwards people, do you watch all the Bils games? I'm not trying to pick sides, but as Aaron pointed out, JP gives the Bills the best chance to succeed now. i just hope the coaches give him a chance with the play calling.
nice zing.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
I have 2 words to add: Kyle Orton
switz
Footballguy
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I wont lie, as i was typing his name kept popping in my head. It comes down to this, to me, Losman has proven to me that he is ver unlikely to lead the Bills to a championship. I can not say that about Edwards at this point. I am mostly impressed with Edwards pocket presence. Does it seem like a bigger deal than it is becausew Losman has none, maybe, but Losmans strong arm and mobilty have done very little to help the Bills win any games over the past 3 years. Just for the record, i am not 100% for Edwards, and totally against Losman, it is probably more 60-40. I could probably even be convinced the other way if Losman puts together a good string of games and stops hopping around the pocket because Evans is covered.
DarabZarrabi
Footballguy
Losman didnt really get a chance to start the year, they played really tough matchups and the playcalling was horrendous...the rumor is that the Bills went with Edwards for financial reasons so that JP Losman would not reach the lucrative incentives in his contract, but I dont see what people see in Edwards...he has not made a nice read or a nice throw in any of the games he has played in. Put me in the game and I can hand the ball off or throw it into the flats. Although Edwards is calm and poised Losman has a unique talent set and it really looked like he was putting everything together. If the Bills dont give him a chance the organization should be handed to someone else. They let multiple players go for financial reasons, and while its understandable that they are a very small market team...its not like the owner is losing money.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Edwards did absolutely nothing that game. 23-31-176-0-1 are Joey Harrington, Alex Smith type of numbers. They converted 3 out of 13 third downs. The offense scored 3 points. In five games, he topped 200 yards exactly once, and scored a total of 1 touchdown vs. 5 INT's.He may turn into a decent QB, but he has done nothing so far. Any success they've had is due to the defense and running game.
Young 8
Footballguy
Young 8
Footballguy
The Shizzle
Footballguy
Thats insight worth paying for.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
JP gives the better shot to win this year if the coaches would use him and Evans properly. The problem is that for the most part the game calling by the coaches favors TE so he might actually perform better with the current system.
As mentioned above it is too early to give up on the year. They should be 5-2, so they have played well enough to be considered for a playoff spot. If they can turn it on in the second half they may have a shot, their schedule is not that bad.
As mentioned above it is too early to give up on the year. They should be 5-2, so they have played well enough to be considered for a playoff spot. If they can turn it on in the second half they may have a shot, their schedule is not that bad.
