Julius Jones... 2008 Dynasty Value (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

JJ hasn't been startable all this season, Barber III is just doing a better Job. Since JJ is in his contract year... my feeling is he won't be a Cowboy this year... they will most likely keep Barber, let JJ go, and draft another RB. Or, the Cowboys place a 2nd round Tender on him and see if anyone bites on draft day. There is always a demand for RBs in the NFL.

I believe he'll be 27 at the start of next season, still in his prime and not alot of millage, and hopefully a little chip on his shoulder.

Whats everyone's feeling on this... will he been given a #1 Job on another Team?

 

[yellowdog]

JJ hasn't been startable all this season, Barber III is just doing a better Job. Since JJ is in his contract year... my feeling is he won't be a Cowboy this year... they will most likely keep Barber, let JJ go, and draft another RB. Or, the Cowboys place a 2nd round Tender on him and see if anyone bites on draft day. There is always a demand for RBs in the NFL. I believe he'll be 27 at the start of next season, still in his prime and not alot of millage, and hopefully a little chip on his shoulder. Whats everyone's feeling on this... will he been given a #1 Job on another Team?

The Cowboys can't place a tender on him, he will be an unstricted free agent. I look for him to be elsewhere to compete for a #1 job. It's very likely he will end up in a situation much like his current RBBC.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The Cowboys can't place a tender on him, he will be an unstricted free agent. I look for him to be elsewhere to compete for a #1 job. It's very likely he will end up in a situation much like his current RBBC.

OK... so he can't be Tender... the Boys would have to resign him... got it. How many Vet Backs will be avaliable next off-season.... off the Top of my head I get... JJ (assuming Barber III is resigned), J Lewis (he made a case last week to be resigned), and Turner Places that may have a need for RBs next yr.... some of these are extreme; but you never know in the NFL. Hou: (I don't see them paying Green his Roster Bonus next year; 2008: Base: $3.8 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus + $200,000 roster bonus)Mai: Brown looks like Crap Cle Oak NYG (that would be a nice RBBC w/ BJ) Philly (Westy needs a good Back up) Chi (Benson looks like Crap... They traded the wrong RB away)GBAtlZona (Edge is getting up there and is recieving a large workload these past 2 years)Sea (SA is going to be 31 next yr I believe, Sea might want to start making plans)

 

[Bankerguy]

He will NOT be a Cowboy next season.

 

[Gridiron King]

I think he will go elsewhere and have a new start in 08. Atlanta would be a good fit.

 

[packersfan]

I'd love to see him in Green Bay but I know that's a pipe dream. I agree he won't be in Dallas next season.

 

[Jimboozie]

Doubt he will stay in Dallas since we will be going after Darren McFadden in the draft (might have to trade up but we do have the ammo).

JJ is a decent back but nothing special.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Jones will be competing with a sick class of Junior RBs for jobs... LaMont Jordan also has a big cap number next year, near 5 mil, so he could be out there. Plus there's that guy down in SD who has been backing up LT. Seems like his value and role can only shrink next year.

 

[zamboni]

I look for him to be elsewhere to compete for a #1 job. It's very likely he will end up in a situation much like his current RBBC.

That's the way I see it, unless he somehow turns out to have a big year for the Cowboys. I can't see a team bringing him in to be the guy, although he could certainly be offered the chance to win it outright.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

I drafted him in my dynasty league as much for next year as for this yr. I just havent seen much out of him, so I dumped him off for Morency and Curtis

 

[coolnerd]

I say we don't have an idea right now. His 2007 performance will determine what his 2008 situation is. If the J. Jones we are seeing now continues, I suspect he will be a high end back-up or RRBC type. Go up or down from there as you will.

 

[Big Score]

Jones will be competing with a sick class of Junior RBs for jobs... LaMont Jordan also has a big cap number next year, near 5 mil, so he could be out there. Plus there's that guy down in SD who has been backing up LT. Seems like his value and role can only shrink next year.

Hey Sig, I thought the Raiders had Jordan renegotiate his contract this off season? Did they only work the number for this year?Now I know that Rhodes will definitely be on their books for 5 mil next year & maybe a half mil more, if they spread his 1 mil signing bonus over the two years of his contract.

But whatever the case is with Jordan, point well taken about Junior RB's & potential veteran FA RB's that he'll be competing with for a job.

 

[gianmarco]

I think he'd be a great fit for Tenn, personally.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Jones will be competing with a sick class of Junior RBs for jobs... LaMont Jordan also has a big cap number next year, near 5 mil, so he could be out there. Plus there's that guy down in SD who has been backing up LT. Seems like his value and role can only shrink next year.

Hey Sig, I thought the Raiders had Jordan renegotiate his contract this off season? Did they only work the number for this year?Now I know that Rhodes will definitely be on their books for 5 mil next year & maybe a half mil more, if they spread his 1 mil signing bonus over the two years of his contract.

But whatever the case is with Jordan, point well taken about Junior RB's & potential veteran FA RB's that he'll be competing with for a job.

Jordan agreed to cut his 07 roster bonus from 4.75 to 3 mil, but I didnt see anything about next year's being cut.

 

[Big Score]

Jones will be competing with a sick class of Junior RBs for jobs... LaMont Jordan also has a big cap number next year, near 5 mil, so he could be out there. Plus there's that guy down in SD who has been backing up LT. Seems like his value and role can only shrink next year.

Hey Sig, I thought the Raiders had Jordan renegotiate his contract this off season? Did they only work the number for this year?Now I know that Rhodes will definitely be on their books for 5 mil next year & maybe a half mil more, if they spread his 1 mil signing bonus over the two years of his contract.

But whatever the case is with Jordan, point well taken about Junior RB's & potential veteran FA RB's that he'll be competing with for a job.

Jordan agreed to cut his 07 roster bonus from 4.75 to 3 mil, but I didnt see anything about next year's being cut.

Gotcha' & thanks!

 

[Lash]

McFadden will be a Cowboy

the owner will trade up if he has to to nab him

JJones elsewhere in 08 and Barber elsewhere in 09

IMO

 

[RC94]

J. Jones won't be with the Giants next year. They will stick with the RBs they already have or bring in another draft pick. If they bring in a draft pick I doubt it will be a first day pick.

 

[Garts]

I expect whoever loses the Michael Turner sweepstakes to go hard after Jones.

 

[Righetti]

JJ to the packers makes some sense, JJ to the Cardinals wouldn't shock me either, JJ to the Raiders, Giants, Fish and/or Houston could all make sense too

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

 

[packersfan]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a blanket statement saying "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective".

We do know it's not hurting him. Both Jones and Barber have done well when given a large number of carries. Jones has been especially productive when given 20 carries or more. Maybe that's what he needs - to get out of Dallas and the RBBC situation. Given how productive he's been as the clear featured RB maybe he needs to get 20 carries or more in a game which he isn't getting in Dallas. Flip side is he was doing more with the carries he got (at least last week) he might get more.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

Then, if I was you... I wouldn't make that statement either. Luckily, I do have a clue, and I have been a major Cowboys fans for my entire life. Every report that I have ever read regarding the subject is that all of the coaches love Barber. He is a good receiver, a great guy to bust up into the hole, and a very physical runner.... however he doesn't have anything close to the sort of breakaway speed that will allow him to carry the team on his own. Also, if you put a guy who runs that physical out there on every down, getting all of the carries, you are going to wear him out awful fast. Once his body is beat down, he can no longer do what he does so well right now.Common sense.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

Then, if I was you... I wouldn't make that statement either. Luckily, I do have a clue, and I have been a major Cowboys fans for my entire life. Every report that I have ever read regarding the subject is that all of the coaches love Barber. He is a good receiver, a great guy to bust up into the hole, and a very physical runner.... however he doesn't have anything close to the sort of breakaway speed that will allow him to carry the team on his own. Also, if you put a guy who runs that physical out there on every down, getting all of the carries, you are going to wear him out awful fast. Once his body is beat down, he can no longer do what he does so well right now.Common sense.

Since when did breakaway speed become a requirement for carrying a team on his own? No need for me to list the HOF RBs without speed. As far as Barber's ability to carry the majority of the load, we simply don't know if he can or can't do it, because he hasn't had the chance yet.

 

[SSOG]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

I'm from the "coaches are smart" school of thought. I think that 95+% of questions can be answered with very simple analysis based on the idea that coaches are, on the whole, smarter than we are. Now, every single coach BarberIII has ever had has used him very heavily... but every single coach has used him as a CoP (this is the third staff he's worked with in 4 years, and he's 3-for-3 now). You might say that doesn't let us draw any conclusions, but I'd disagree under the premise that coaches are smart. They know what they're doing. If every coach who has ever worked with Barber has used him in this manner, then I think it's a pretty solid assumption that this manner is the best possible use of Marion Barber III. Coaches are smart.Now, is it a CERTAINTY that Barber is best suited as a CoP back? Nope, but with every passing season where he's used in that manner, it becomes much more of a likelihood.

 

[coolnerd]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

I'm from the "coaches are smart" school of thought. I think that 95+% of questions can be answered with very simple analysis based on the idea that coaches are, on the whole, smarter than we are. Now, every single coach BarberIII has ever had has used him very heavily... but every single coach has used him as a CoP (this is the third staff he's worked with in 4 years, and he's 3-for-3 now). You might say that doesn't let us draw any conclusions, but I'd disagree under the premise that coaches are smart. They know what they're doing. If every coach who has ever worked with Barber has used him in this manner, then I think it's a pretty solid assumption that this manner is the best possible use of Marion Barber III. Coaches are smart.Now, is it a CERTAINTY that Barber is best suited as a CoP back? Nope, but with every passing season where he's used in that manner, it becomes much more of a likelihood.

I will take a step further, coaches are the ones handing out jobs. No matter what I think should happen, I have to make my fantasy decisions on what the coaches actions are whether they are smart or not. In the case of Barber, he is RRBC back until somebody plays him in a different way.

 

[Beaumont]

2008 openings ...

GB?

MIA?

CLE?

OAK?

ATL?

ETA: Dallas (obviously in part at least MHO) ...

Frankly, a good crop coming in and not a lot of jobs opening up ...

RBBC at best ...

 

[Gordon Keith]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

I'm from the "coaches are smart" school of thought. I think that 95+% of questions can be answered with very simple analysis based on the idea that coaches are, on the whole, smarter than we are. Now, every single coach BarberIII has ever had has used him very heavily... but every single coach has used him as a CoP (this is the third staff he's worked with in 4 years, and he's 3-for-3 now). You might say that doesn't let us draw any conclusions, but I'd disagree under the premise that coaches are smart. They know what they're doing. If every coach who has ever worked with Barber has used him in this manner, then I think it's a pretty solid assumption that this manner is the best possible use of Marion Barber III. Coaches are smart.Now, is it a CERTAINTY that Barber is best suited as a CoP back? Nope, but with every passing season where he's used in that manner, it becomes much more of a likelihood.

I will take a step further, coaches are the ones handing out jobs. No matter what I think should happen, I have to make my fantasy decisions on what the coaches actions are whether they are smart or not. In the case of Barber, he is RRBC back until somebody plays him in a different way.

What the heck? A voice of reason? Is that allowed here? TIA

 

[Sopranos]

I think he has more value next season. IMO Barber is harder to beat out than 80% of the places that would sign him. Plus it depends where he picks also. IMO he will sign where he thinks he could get big money soon. He is out of Dallas...He could still be a good RB IMO but he needs touches..and the cake 3rd and 20 yards Barber gets.If he goes somewhere were he gets Receptions like he did early in dallas he will have good value..

 

[ThePittbully]

Is there anyone out there who believes the cowboys WONT use one of their first rounders next year to pick up another RB. I think its fairly certain that Jones does leave the team next year, and honestly, I'm not high on him not very concerned with where he may land. What does interest me is the possibility of Barber becoming a feature back on a strong offense. It can be argued that he is only effective as a CoP back, but it can also be argued that he has all the tools needed to be a successful feature back. He doesn't have breakaway speed but, as Johnny has already stated, speed is not a requirement of a successful back. There have been many backs who have paved their way to the HOF in 8 to 10 yard burst at a time. So is there any chance they decide to make a workhorse out of Barber?

 

[Don Quixote]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

I'm from the "coaches are smart" school of thought. I think that 95+% of questions can be answered with very simple analysis based on the idea that coaches are, on the whole, smarter than we are. Now, every single coach BarberIII has ever had has used him very heavily... but every single coach has used him as a CoP (this is the third staff he's worked with in 4 years, and he's 3-for-3 now). You might say that doesn't let us draw any conclusions, but I'd disagree under the premise that coaches are smart. They know what they're doing. If every coach who has ever worked with Barber has used him in this manner, then I think it's a pretty solid assumption that this manner is the best possible use of Marion Barber III. Coaches are smart.Now, is it a CERTAINTY that Barber is best suited as a CoP back? Nope, but with every passing season where he's used in that manner, it becomes much more of a likelihood.

Generally agree, but there are exceptions. Another Barber, for instance. But maybe it is just the Jim Fassel Exception.

 

[Riffraff]

2008 openings ...GB?MIA?CLE?OAK?ATL?ETA: Dallas (obviously in part at least MHO) ...Frankly, a good crop coming in and not a lot of jobs opening up ...RBBC at best ...

Other possibilities in SEA, IND, SD, GB, and NYG. None have to be 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

[packersfan]

I think he has more value next season. IMO Barber is harder to beat out than 80% of the places that would sign him. Plus it depends where he picks also. IMO he will sign where he thinks he could get big money soon. He is out of Dallas...He could still be a good RB IMO but he needs touches..and the cake 3rd and 20 yards Barber gets.If he goes somewhere were he gets Receptions like he did early in dallas he will have good value..

This is something about the Cowboys' offense that puzzles me. They rarely throw to their RBs. One would think Jones is someone the team would want to get out in space and Barber has shown the ability to generate production as a receiver as well. Jones had a terrific 24-yard catch and run against the Dolphins but then the Cowboys never threw the ball to him again. It's hard to argue with a productive offense but I find it curious that the RBs are not involved at all in the passing game. I think Jones would do well if given an opportunity to catch 3-4 passes a game.

 

[SSOG]

I think that he will still be with the Cowboys. They want the backfield exactly the way that it is. Barber wouldn't be as effective, if he was their every down back. It is the change of pace that helps Barber be effective.

That may or may not be true, but he was in a RBBC at Minnesota, and now with Dallas. I guess we don't know for sure if he would be as effective or not, and I certainly wouldn't make a statement saying, "It is the change of pace that helps Berber be effective", when I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

I'm from the "coaches are smart" school of thought. I think that 95+% of questions can be answered with very simple analysis based on the idea that coaches are, on the whole, smarter than we are. Now, every single coach BarberIII has ever had has used him very heavily... but every single coach has used him as a CoP (this is the third staff he's worked with in 4 years, and he's 3-for-3 now). You might say that doesn't let us draw any conclusions, but I'd disagree under the premise that coaches are smart. They know what they're doing. If every coach who has ever worked with Barber has used him in this manner, then I think it's a pretty solid assumption that this manner is the best possible use of Marion Barber III. Coaches are smart.Now, is it a CERTAINTY that Barber is best suited as a CoP back? Nope, but with every passing season where he's used in that manner, it becomes much more of a likelihood.

Generally agree, but there are exceptions. Another Barber, for instance. But maybe it is just the Jim Fassel Exception.

Individual coaches can certainly be dumb. The "coaches are smart" rule really means that coaches, on the whole, are smart- not that every individual member of the coaching fraternity is smart. Obviously, you're going to get some exceptions... but the corrolary to the "coaches are smart" rule is "sometimes individual coaches are dumb, but never for long". They always either smarten up or get fired. And in the case of Norv Turner, get continuously rehired afterwards.Something that happens for one or two years might be a fluke... but if it keeps happening for 3, 4, 5 years... odds are good that there's something there.