Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Julius Jones losing job? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter gianmarco
- Start date
tombonneau
Footballguy
He's about the only sleeper RB I liked early August that still holds value. Hopefully it holds that way. All the other guys -- Ricky, Chris Johnson, Chris Perry, and now Slaton -- are all really moving up boards. But boring ol' Mo Morris still seems to hold solid value. 
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I had SA & MoMo in 2006 and Morris was a big disappointment when SA went down. MoMo's ADP is 13 so he has a lot of room to move up but I doubt I'll be looking at him until after the 9 or 10th round...
thecardiackid
Footballguy
He's about the only sleeper RB I liked early August that still holds value. Hopefully it holds that way. All the other guys -- Ricky, Chris Johnson, Chris Perry, and now Slaton -- are all really moving up boards. But boring ol' Mo Morris still seems to hold solid value.
got him in the 9th round of a 14 team redraft yesterday. even if he only gets half of the RBBC and (hopefully) the goal line duty, his ADP is way low.although I also have Ricky (6th) & Chris Johnson (7th) on the roster paid the price for going MBIII, Braylon, Calvin, & Marshall in rounds 1-4
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
I had Morris in 2006 as well and I HATED him. Worst part was that I picked him up instead of MJD. That could have factored into my hatred for him.
ckalltheway
Footballguy
JJs the most talented back there and talked a lot of talk but when the pressure is on he can't help but fold. The only thing that may save his job is his pass blocking. MoMo gets lit up more than a roman candle.
But MoMo won't save your team. He's proven over and over that he can't hold the job either. Like Houston I think this is the kind of situation that would be best to steer clear of.
Seahawks fans lose ultimately.
But MoMo won't save your team. He's proven over and over that he can't hold the job either. Like Houston I think this is the kind of situation that would be best to steer clear of.
Seahawks fans lose ultimately.
Last edited by a moderator:
EBF
Footballguy
I agree with this take. This is sort of like the Houston Texans mess. The talent is so underwhelming that you're probably just better off spending your draft picks elsewhere. IMO whoever emerges from these dung heaps will still be a longshot to make significant contributions to winning FF teams.
Enraged Nerfball
Footballguy
Honestly I never thought it was his job to lose.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
This is terrible advice. Morris has put up decent numbers when given the chance. He won't be mistaken for LT any time soon but he did average a full yard more per carry than the "more talented" JJ last year. I have targeted him in every draft I have been in and have been getting him 125-135 range. For a probable starter I believe that is great value.
MarcO
Footballguy
funny. What has he done to prove that he can't hold onto the job? I was curious so I did some quick research and compared Mo Morris to 6 other backs at random - just looked at thier career Yards per rushing attempt and yards per catch
RB1 4.7 / 9.2 westbrook
RB2 4.4 / 8.5 Addai
RB3 5.1 / 9.8 Jones-Drew
RB4 4.0 / 10.2 Lynch
RB5 4.5 / 7.0 Marion Barber
RB6 5.1 / 4.8 Grant
RB7 4.3 / 7.6 Morris
Do any of these backs look like they don't belong in the company of the others? Morris is among these backs and there are 3 consensus 2008 fantasy first round draft picks and 3 2nd and 3rd rounders.
Last edited by a moderator:
Forsett will be the only one worth the round he is taken in.
ckalltheway
Footballguy
If Morris was better than Julius Jones, they wouldn't have signed Julius Jones OR TJ Duckett. It will be great seeing Duckett gets stuffed on 4th and 1s and goal line all year too.
People who actually watch Seahawks games know that Morris is not very good and is a terrible blocker. There's more to being a good RB than YPC and TDs.
Julius' fumble last week just killed him. Even though it was a good hit it just seemed to deflate him. He just cannot handle pressure at all.
He wants to be the man. But he just can't.
But as a poster above said, don't expect Morris to save your season. Even if he gets the starting nod week 1 it will be a revolving door from game to game and during the game all season.
People who actually watch Seahawks games know that Morris is not very good and is a terrible blocker. There's more to being a good RB than YPC and TDs.
Julius' fumble last week just killed him. Even though it was a good hit it just seemed to deflate him. He just cannot handle pressure at all.
He wants to be the man. But he just can't.
But as a poster above said, don't expect Morris to save your season. Even if he gets the starting nod week 1 it will be a revolving door from game to game and during the game all season.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, undrafted.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Enraged Nerfball
Footballguy
In this era of RBBC I'm not sure you can say this anymore. Plenty of examples of teams drafting or signing starting caliber RB's when they already have one or more in house.
MarcO
Footballguy
just ask Larry Johnson.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
I don't think anybody is planning on drafting him as their RB1 or RB2. What we are talking about is value. I am not drafting Morris because I think he will be in the hall of fame one day, I am drafting him because the potential is there for him to put up 1000+ yards and 6+ TDs and if he doesn't I wasted a 13th round pick.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Julius Jones never had the starting job to lose. It's going to be RBBC with Momo getting most of the carries. He will put up decent numbers in a PPR league, and you can forget about goaline carries he will never touch the ball down there. It will be all Weaver.
In my opinion Duckett gets cut.
*I drafted Morris as my 4th RB.
In my opinion Duckett gets cut.
*I drafted Morris as my 4th RB.
Oscar
Footballguy
This also could be a move to motivate JJ a bit more. I can't imagine 'Hawks management would be satisfied with Morris as their starter considering they have 3 new RBs on their roster. Ulitmatey TJ Duckett may be the odd man out but I still think Julius Jones starts Week 1 and this is pure speculation.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
The only decent post in this thread. If Forsett can handle the blocking(a big if), he could be the Ryan Grant of 2008.
MarcO
Footballguy
They brought Duckett in before they knew they were going to sign Jones. They obviously needed more depth when they cut Alexander so they had to sign some FA RBs. I don't think they signed JJones with the intenet of handing him the starting job - they knew Morris was still in the mix. Holmgren is fighting with Ruskell about the last RB roster spot. Holmgren wants to keep Forsett and cut Ducket (who would most likely be inactive on Sundays anyway if they keep him on the roster and Weaver will get the short yardage carries)) - Ruskell doesn't want to admit the mistake he made with signing Duckett to a guaranteed 4 mill. I suspect Holmgren will win.I don't get points for a start in my league. I want the guy who is going to get more yards during the season and if I can get that in the 8-10 rounds (Morris) instead of the in the 5th or 6th (J Jones) then great.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Bump both up in your projections accordingly folks.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Indeed. In the games he started last year Morris scored the following points (10 yards per point, non-ppr, 6pt TDs):16179417As a RB4, even if he scored 3/4's of that in his starts he will be of great value. He also only received 20 carries in one of those five games so it's not like sharing time will totally kill his value.
tombonneau
Footballguy
So you're saying it's a ploy to motivate Julius Jones?
Das Boot
Footballguy
so based on tonight- Morris' numbers are very solid and slightly better than Jones.. I didn't see the game, but the idea I got from the game thread, was Morris MADE more out of his runs, while Jones got a couple of good holes... Generally though, it seem's Morris looked better.
From the play by play, it seems Morris got a full series or two, then Jones came in with Morris sprinkled in, then Morris got a full series, so it looks like a time share deal with Morris being the starter and main back... Given that and how he looks what are we predicting? Morris 60% Jones 40%? 70/30?
another owner took Julius in the 5th rnd, while I got him in the 15th, so I def am feeling good about the value there..
From the play by play, it seems Morris got a full series or two, then Jones came in with Morris sprinkled in, then Morris got a full series, so it looks like a time share deal with Morris being the starter and main back... Given that and how he looks what are we predicting? Morris 60% Jones 40%? 70/30?
another owner took Julius in the 5th rnd, while I got him in the 15th, so I def am feeling good about the value there..
I think it could shake down to 50/50 with neither of them getting the goalline work. Today, maybe the community would feel more like 60/40 in favour of Morris. I feel like both are no better than RB4s unless one of them can take the job by the scruff of the neck and hold onto it. That would at least make one of them a RB3. They would need to also get the goalline work to be a RB1 or RB2 imo. Not sure that that will happen though. I have Morris and Jones. I'm going to hopefully be able to sit on them until this mess sorts itself out...if it ever does this season.
Moe Green
Footballguy
In Fantasy Football? Not really.
cstruk
Footballguy
Hey, there's receptions too.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
They rotated series in the preseason game (Morris played a series, then JJ a series, then Morris a series, etc). Morris just got in on a few plays on the second series because JJ dinged his shoulder and came out for a couple plays.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
If the O-Line does a good job protecting Hasselbeck, then you should see plenty of Mo Morris. He does decent enough running and receiving (although not spectacular), and knows the playbook inside and out.
IMO If Hasselbeck starts to get pressured, you will quickly see Morris' carries dwindle, as he is simply terrible in pass protection and they will have to get someone in there that can help out. Not sure if that is Julius Jones or someone else.
IMO If Hasselbeck starts to get pressured, you will quickly see Morris' carries dwindle, as he is simply terrible in pass protection and they will have to get someone in there that can help out. Not sure if that is Julius Jones or someone else.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Jones sucks more though. He proved he couldn't get the job done behind a superior OL in Dallas. I can't beleive people actually thought he could produce in Seattle.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Julius is the Man in SEA have no fears
Justin Forsett gained only nine yards on four carries and caught a seven-yard pass in Seattle's third preseason game. He also lost a fumble.
Justin Forsett gained only nine yards on four carries and caught a seven-yard pass in Seattle's third preseason game. He also lost a fumble.
Last edited by a moderator:
MSULions
Footballguy
Jones is total garbage. frankly, i've always wondered who he had incriminating pictures of to stay in the league in long as he has. he'll be gone in two years tops.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Da Beers
Footballguy
I think the point is that if he can't protect the QB, he might not stick in the lineup.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
DrJamesAndrews Fan
Footballguy
I think Forsett just got cut.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Yep. Looks like par for the LHUCKS course this August. A little karma for the comment above maybe?
linkSeptember 9, 2008 3:27 PM
Seahawks cut Kent, Forsett and Plackemeier
Posted by Danny O'Neil
Update at 4:44 p.m.: ESPN's John Clayton is reporting the Seahawks have agreed to terms with Billy McMullen, the wide receiver.
Here's the text of the announcement from the Seattle Seahawks:
The Seattle Seahawks have released running back Justin Forsett, receiver Jordan Kent and punter Ryan Plackemeier, the team announced this afternoon. The team also placed receiver Nate Burleson on injured reserve and signed punter Jon Ryan to replace Plackemeier on the roster.
Ryan spent two seasons in Green Bay where he punted in 32 games, averaging 44.5 yards per punt. Prior to his stint with the Packers, he punted for two years with the CFL’s Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
And NFL.com is reporting the Seahawks worked out five receivers on Tuesday -- a tip of the cap to reader Jimmy Mac for finding the tidbit. Here's the group: Sammie Parker, Billy McMullen, Mike Hass, Devale Ellis and Mark Bradford.
Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
So....Julius Jones is the #1 guy in Seattle now, right???
No one seems to mention that here.
No one seems to mention that here.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
The Julius Jones bashers are sure to hide... MoMo is hurt for a few games... gives Julius a chance to lock down the starter's role while he is out..
Real Man of Genius
Footballguy
Yeah, if he didn't completely suck.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
hey, I'm not sayin' he's a sexy back but I personally think he has more to offer as a starter than MoMo... Julius to me seems like a starter level talent, but one your always trying to replace. I don't see starter level talent in MoMo. I think he's just COP and 3rd down back material.
