Julius Jones vs Marion Barber III (1 Viewer)

[Righetti]

Owning both JJ and MB3 has put me in the position to hope that one establishes himself this year.. although we have all read the reports this summer with Parcells saying that both RB's are interchangeable. JJ's stats in game 1 were pretty good and the TD made for a good fantasy game.. What was most telling was that MB3 did not get too many carries...

JJ's week 17 last year was great and this game was solid...

Although I like MB3, I've seen him play a Richie Anderson type-role for Bill.. The type of back whose value is seen more often in the actual game footage than the boxscore.

after week 1....fantasy advantage Julius..

does this type of breakdown in carries continue?

 

[BigTex]

Owning both JJ and MB3 has put me in the position to hope that one establishes himself this year.. although we have all read the reports this summer with Parcells saying that both RB's are interchangeable. JJ's stats in game 1 were pretty good and the TD made for a good fantasy game.. What was most telling was that MB3 did not get too many carries...JJ's week 17 last year was great and this game was solid... Although I like MB3, I've seen him play a Richie Anderson type-role for Bill.. The type of back whose value is seen more often in the actual game footage than the boxscore.after week 1....fantasy advantage Julius..does this type of breakdown in carries continue?

Bill has a history of being loyal to his starters. As long as JJ is producing he'll get the bulk of the carries. In Bill's last press conference before Sunday's game, he said that JJ is his #1 guy. I don't think that's going to change right now.

 

[botabu]

JJ looked outstanding in every aspect of the game.... he seems to have his quickness back, and now he has his confidence back. I think he has a stellar year. (knock on wood)

 

[Silver & Black]

It's so hard to be objective about Jones when you have owned him in the past. I drafted him as a rookie and was forced to let him go mid-late year last year. I have always been high on him.

Problem is, he just always seems to get hurt. And when he does, Barber has looked good.

Even though Jones finished strong last year, I just feel the risk in relying on him outweighs his upside.

But what the heck do I know? I wound up with Kevin Jones as my #1 back this year.

 

[Cowboys#1]

i follow this situation obsessively, i have no vested interest in one over the other but i feel that JJ is the better of the two backs

the problem i have with barber is his need to always bounce a run to the outside, i know he can get the tough yards but watch the film on him and he will, more often than not try and go outside. barber was mediocre on blitz pickups vs. JAX something that Parcells must be fuming about..

JJ's major problem is staying healthy, if he can stay healthy he will hold on to the job. He has some runs of 0, 1, -2 but he follows with runs of 12, 8, 9 so he is a bit of a feast or famine type player..

 

[LordHusker]

Yes, but aren't the Cowboys looking more and more like a pass first team that doesn't run very well?

That's what worrie me.

I'm sitting here debating whether I'll even start Julius this week, considering that I also have Edge and Tatum Bell as options.

 

[bentley]

Yes, but aren't the Cowboys looking more and more like a pass first team that doesn't run very well?That's what worrie me.I'm sitting here debating whether I'll even start Julius this week, considering that I also have Edge and Tatum Bell as options.

Why do you say that? Both averaged over 4.0 YPC (Barber's action was obviously limited). I was impressed with Jones. He showed a burst to me that he didn't have last year, and a confidence to hit up into the hole that seemed to be completely missing in 2005. I agree that the concern with Barber is that he's always looking to bounce it out, even when he's got something happening up the middle. Barber would appear to be a great fit as a third down back running a bunch of lateral stuff and catching balls out of the backfield.bentley - diehard Cowboys fan, owner of neither.

 

[LordHusker]

OK, I'm fine with that assessment. I just have this fear that the Cowboys O-line isn't all that, and that the running game and Julius may struggle because of it.

 

[bentley]

OK, I'm fine with that assessment. I just have this fear that the Cowboys O-line isn't all that, and that the running game and Julius may struggle because of it.

This clearly isn't their line of the 90's, but it's not last year's line either (obviously, since Pettiti started 16 games last year and didn't make the team this season). This line is "good enough" even if they don't have any sexy or truly dominant players. Penalties and picks were the big problem, not offensive line play.

 

[Cowboys#1]

right on the money bentley, it was the penalties and picks that killed the boys in JAX, not the O-Line.

Fasano did a good job of blocking while he was in and as a unit the line was okay, versus a huge, and talented JAX defensive front

 

[bentley]

right on the money bentley, it was the penalties and picks that killed the boys in JAX, not the O-Line.Fasano did a good job of blocking while he was in and as a unit the line was okay, versus a huge, and talented JAX defensive front

Exactly. I know people love to overreact to week one results, but Dallas is going to have some games this year that are against competition that's a lot softer than Jacksonville.

 

[Golden Valley Vipers]

Against my hopes and dreams this season and last, I get the feeling that Barber only pays off if Jones gets hurt. The upside is that he will get you more bye-week value than your typical handcuff.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I look at the Jax game as a complete positive for JJ and the Dallas running game.

1) Bledsoe cost them the game with his picks...if anything that should make Tuna commit more to the run, especially if Romo becomes the guy.

2) Outside of Carolina the Cowboys won't face a better run stuffing D-Line all year than Jacksonville's. For JJ to accumulate 100+ total yards and a TD is better than anyone could have predicted.

 

[Righetti]

going into Washington who just gave up 131 total yards and a TD (31/88/1 plus 3/43/0) to Chester Taylor will show us a bunch on how Julius performs after a solid first game..

Washington last year allowed 105 yards rushing per game

last year Julius had the following #'s against Washington

22/81/0 plus 4/24/0 in week 2

12/79/0 plus 3/17/0 in week 14

in 2004 he didn't play in the first meeting against Washington

but he did play in week 15

22/57/0 plus 2/10/0

not great numbers against the Skins in 2004 but averaged 100 total yards in 2005

 

[Britney Spears]

od:

Highly interested as a Julius/MB3 owner in a dynasty league with very tight roster spots.

I would love to be able to confidently cut MB3 and use that roster spot for something else. I just don't know if I can bring myself to that point yet though.

PS, hi Bentley. : )

 

[phrozen]

od:Highly interested as a Julius/MB3 owner in a dynasty league with very tight roster spots.I would love to be able to confidently cut MB3 and use that roster spot for something else. I just don't know if I can bring myself to that point yet though.PS, hi Bentley. : )

In the exact same position.I was very encouraged with JJ's performance on Sunday espically against the tough Jax run defense. I think he is going to have a big year and outperform his ADP. From a dynasty perspective, I feel this is a make or break year for JJ. I would love to be able to drop MB3 and pick up other talent but I like Britney I can't do it.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

Best thread and info about the Dallas backfield I've ever encountered, bar none. Excellent and unbiased info. I was extremely encouraged by Sunday's game, which I figured to be a ghastly performance for JJ in the Jacksonville humidity against that vaunted line. I wonder, too, if TO will have a positive effect on stretching out the defense a bit and opening some more running lanes. Hopefully Julius can stay on the field and have a steady year.

Any analysis and observations from Dallas homers is always appreciated.

 

[Cowboys#1]

TO will, of course, help keep the defense honest, i think the blocking of both witten and fasano really help JJ, running the 2 te sets is a great thing for the running game.

sunday's game will be interesting as Dallas has a lot to prove on primetime against the skins, and the home opener, not to mention the two embarassing losses to the skins last year.

i expect Dallas to come out strong and the passing game will lead the way, but JJ should do find.

23/94/1 3/17/0

 

[redman]

I think Bledsoe is a problem, but the best friend of a young line and an immobile QB is a solid running game and the play-action passing that it enables. Young linemen always seem to be more confident run blocking than pass blocking, and success with the run game slows down the rush and increases confidence.

JJ will get ample opportunity to pound the ball, especially given that they'll want to set up the Redskins secondary - which will be without Shawn Springs - by inducing the safeties to come up and get deep passes against them.

 

[Banger]

Based on all the offseason Parcell's speak as well as the way both were used last year I was high on Barber and low on JJ. I avoided JJ in all my drafts as a result and after week 1 it looks like I may have misread/overreacted. It's only 1 week but JJ MB3

 

[Bankerguy]

OK.....my favourite topic.

Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on.

JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.

I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article)

JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.

The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

 

[packersfan]

The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

Agreed. I'm a Barber owner but a big fan of Jones. I grabbed Barber late and have him stashed away on my bench. It's a long season and while I'm a big fan of JJ's durability has not been his strong suit thus far in his NFL career. Plus, Barber has shown he can be a very effective RB when given the opportunity. So I do think at some point this season Barber will get a chance to get some carries and possibly start a game or two. At that time he could very well be a very nice spot start as your RB2. So if you're a Barber owner, I think you need to be patient and let the season play itself out. If you're a Jones owner, you had to be extremely encouraged not only by the huge disparity in carries in Jones' favor but also by how good he looked against a good defense. Right now, the Dallas running game is all about JJ.

 

[perry147]

OK.....my favourite topic.Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on. JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article) JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

 

[Banger]

OK.....my favourite topic.Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on. JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article) JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

Have to give you props so far. I went back and forth with you over this in the offseason and you stuck to your guns (correctly).

 

[BigTex]

OK.....my favourite topic.

Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on.

JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.

I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article)

JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.

The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

What's up BG,I was listening to ESPN yesterday (Randy Galloway) and he had The Goose on and he was saying the exact same thing. He even said that other NFL teams respect JJ's talent and believe that he has more "talent" than MBIII but that MBIII was the staight line bruiser that Parcell likes.

I'm not sure if you notice, but Parcell has changed his (JJ's) running style, Parcell has been teaching him to hit through the line which was/is not his (JJ) running style. JJ coming out of college was more of a finese runner, this has changed and for the first time he feels more comfortable with this running style.

I like the situation he's in and I'm hoping for big things. The JJ Express is fired up and I'm ridin'

 

[Bankerguy]

OK.....my favourite topic.

Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on.

JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.

I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article)

JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.

The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

What's up BG,I was listening to ESPN yesterday (Randy Galloway) and he had The Goose on and he was saying the exact same thing. He even said that other NFL teams respect JJ's talent and believe that he has more "talent" than MBIII but that MBIII was the staight line bruiser that Parcell likes.

I'm not sure if you notice, but Parcell has changed his (JJ's) running style, Parcell has been teaching him to hit through the line which was/is not his (JJ) running style. JJ coming out of college was more of a finese runner, this has changed and for the first time he feels more comfortable with this running style.

I like the situation he's in and I'm hoping for big things. The JJ Express is fired up and I'm ridin'

Atta Boy Tex!!!Yep...that was it.

It makes some good points. JJ has changes his style to suit the blocking scheme. Perhaps they should have done the reverse. Changed the blocking to suit a good runner in Jones.

 

[Bankerguy]

OK.....my favourite topic.Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on. JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article) JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

Have to give you props so far. I went back and forth with you over this in the offseason and you stuck to your guns (correctly).

Thanks!!!Yeah...I really battled it out with a few folks here.

 

[phrozen]

OK.....my favourite topic.Barber was one of the more over hyped players coming into the year. Many outsiders mis-read this situation and focused too much on last years stats without really understanding what was going on. JJ will be the first and second down back period. MB3 will see third down action and maybe 1 extra series a game to give JJ a break. Also for those thinking MB3 is the goal line back.....that too is folly.I read an article recently talking about how respected JJ is by scouts around the league. Many believe that the blocking scheme does not fit JJ's running style the best. With an average to fair O-line, JJ won't realize the huge numbers he is capable of. The same scouts said they believed he was pro-bowl material. (I will try to track down the article) JJ will be an OK RB2 for most leagues.The value of MB3 rests in the health of JJ.

Have to give you props so far. I went back and forth with you over this in the offseason and you stuck to your guns (correctly).

Thanks!!!Yeah...I really battled it out with a few folks here.

I wasn't very vocal about JJ vs MB3 in the off-season but I always felt many over-hyped MB3 as being Parcells guy. Sure JJ was in Parcells "doghouse" on a couple of occasions but even then JJ continued to start.I think the people that overanalyized MB3 and Parcells were just hoping that MB3 would pan out because of the great value he would present. And getting a RB2 from a late round backup flyer is great value. I don't knock anyone of this opinion either. MB3 does have talent and as I stated could handle the starting job if the opportunity presented itself. But I have felt along that JJ is Parcells #1 guy and that JJ will show his skill this year.Having TO on the team definitely helps as well. Defenses are so worried about where TO is that it helps to stretch the field giving JJ better opportunities.If JJ goes down then MB3 will pick up right where JJ left off. Since I drafted JJ in a first year dynasty league this year, I had to get the MB3 handcuff for the sole purpose of injury. The news that the NFL team scouts are impressed with JJ is encouraging as well.All in all I feel it is a great year to by a JJ owner (or a dynasty owner). I enjoyed reading the spirited debate between both sides. There are no losers among us, it is the spirited debate that makes the SP great.

 

[Righetti]

I've been saying for a while that MB3 appears to be the Cowboy's version of Richie Anderson to JJ's Curtis Martin..

a guy who has a ton of value in the running game, loved by the coaching staff, a very underrated football player but not a real threat to the starter

 

[SickThing]

It's good to see this season that there's not a bunch of MB3 bandwagon jumpers pissing in the JJ/MB3 thread again. I got attacked a lot over the past couple of seasons for saying JJ is the better back and will remain the future starter. Sorry for sounding like this is a I told you so... it's intended more as a thumbups to all seeing the light now.

That said, do I fear another JJ injury this season might spark that crap all over again? Absolutely. I hope not though. It would be great to see JJ make it through a full season and not get stuck with an early fragile tag like Fred Taylor went though in years past. I do not believe JJ is injury prone and I will not if he gets hurt this season again either.

 

[Righetti]

@ SD

JJ 26/93/1 3/18/0 **STARTER

MB3 0/0/0/ 0/0/0/0

WAS

JJ 22/81/0 4/24/0 **STARTER*

MB3 DID NOT PLAY

@SF

JJ 26/85/2 4/28/0 **STARTER**

MB3 DID NOT PLAY

@OAK

JJ 22/76/0 1/12/0 **STARTER**

MB3 2/1/0 0/0/0

PHI

JJ 16/72/0 0/0/0 **STARTER** hurt

MB3 DID NOT PLAY

NYG

JJ did not play

MB3 11/30/0 2/21/0

@SEA

JJ did not play

MB3 22/95/0 1/1/0

ARI

JJ did not play

MB3 27/127/2 2/15/0 **STARTER**

@ Phi

JJ 8/16/0 1/3/0

MB3 9/28/0 1/-2/0 **STARTER**

Det

JJ 21/91/0 1/13/0 **Starter**

MB3 15/53/2 0/0/0

Den

JJ 20/55/0 5/9/0 **STARTER**

MB3 9/28/0 1/-2/0

@NYG

JJ 23/74/0 9/88/0 **STARTER

MB3 2/8/0 0/0/0

KC

JJ 12/41/0 0/0/0/ **STARTER

MB3 15/82/0 2/32/0

@WAS

JJ 12/79/0 3/17/0 **STARTER**

MB3 10/30/0 4/26/0

@CAR

JJ 34/194/2 2/17/0 **STARTER**

MB3 6/20/0 1/5/0

STL

JJ 15/35/0 2/-11/0 **STARTER

MB3 6/18/0 2/17/0

if you look at MB3 and JJ's starts you find this

the **starter** got at least 22 touches in 9 out of 14 games

the **starter** got at least 15 touches in 12 out of 14 games

The instances where the **starter** didn't really get at least 15 opportunities

the first week that JJ got back and they split carries although MB3 got the start

the shootout 31-28 game against KC.. I don't remember the game but maybe it was just a passing bonzanza.

 

[Righetti]

It's good to see this season that there's not a bunch of MB3 bandwagon jumpers pissing in the JJ/MB3 thread again. I got attacked a lot over the past couple of seasons for saying JJ is the better back and will remain the future starter. Sorry for sounding like this is a I told you so... it's intended more as a thumbups to all seeing the light now. That said, do I fear another JJ injury this season might spark that crap all over again? Absolutely. I hope not though. It would be great to see JJ make it through a full season and not get stuck with an early fragile tag like Fred Taylor went though in years past. I do not believe JJ is injury prone and I will not if he gets hurt this season again either.

as noted in the above post.. the injury is really the biggest fear for JJ.. seems to me that as long as he's the starter he'll get the opportunities to produce...

 

[sheetstainer]

jj is tuna's boy. wasn't that his first draft pick in big D?? i know it was a second round pick that yr. anyway, julius always has/had the talent. at notre dame he had some monster games. what i've noticed, as a julius dynasty owner since his rookie yr, is that alot of blame is put on him if he doesn't produce. well, why not look at the offensive line which can get manhandled at times. no holes=long day at the office. not comparing jj to walter (superman)payton, but when walters oline failed, he would have a 50-70 yard game with no td's. anyway, heres to jj having a great healthy yr.

 

[redman]

jj is tuna's lobster.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

It's good to see this season that there's not a bunch of MB3 bandwagon jumpers pissing in the JJ/MB3 thread again. I got attacked a lot over the past couple of seasons for saying JJ is the better back and will remain the future starter. Sorry for sounding like this is a I told you so... it's intended more as a thumbups to all seeing the light now. That said, do I fear another JJ injury this season might spark that crap all over again? Absolutely. I hope not though. It would be great to see JJ make it through a full season and not get stuck with an early fragile tag like Fred Taylor went though in years past. I do not believe JJ is injury prone and I will not if he gets hurt this season again either.

as noted in the above post.. the injury is really the biggest fear for JJ.. seems to me that as long as he's the starter he'll get the opportunities to produce...

yep.It's JJ's job until injury.

 

[Righetti]

It's good to see this season that there's not a bunch of MB3 bandwagon jumpers pissing in the JJ/MB3 thread again. I got attacked a lot over the past couple of seasons for saying JJ is the better back and will remain the future starter. Sorry for sounding like this is a I told you so... it's intended more as a thumbups to all seeing the light now. That said, do I fear another JJ injury this season might spark that crap all over again? Absolutely. I hope not though. It would be great to see JJ make it through a full season and not get stuck with an early fragile tag like Fred Taylor went though in years past. I do not believe JJ is injury prone and I will not if he gets hurt this season again either.

as noted in the above post.. the injury is really the biggest fear for JJ.. seems to me that as long as he's the starter he'll get the opportunities to produce...

yep.It's JJ's job until injury.

and until then the Dallas starter is a pretty safe bet for 20 touches per game

 

[Righetti]

Game 1

@ Jac

JJ 17/72/1 plus 1/39/0

MB3 3/13/0 plus 2/13/0

Game 2

JJ 20/94/0 plus 0/0/0

MB3 8/39/1 plus 1/26/0

Game 3

JJ 23/122/1 plus 0/0/0

MB3 9/55//1 plus 1/18/0

 

[Britney Spears]

Any handcuff owners have the balls to cut MB3 yet?

I haven't. : (

 

[One]

Any handcuff owners have the balls to cut MB3 yet?I haven't. : (

Heck no!??In the case of an injury MBIII would be more valuable than Jones as a starter. He'll be like Jones with GL carries and more receptions. I own Jones and wouldn't mind seeing him missing time...say, around fantasy playoffs perhaps .

 

[Righetti]

Julius is averaging 20 touches for 109 total yards and .66 TD per game..

which in most leagues will give you about 14 points per game..

unless there are negative points for lost-fumbles ( )