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Pittsburgh has won its last three games by a score of 80-12.They've allowed 268 yards, 185 yards and 178 yards the past three weeks, averaging just 210 ypg. (The Bears lead the league averaging just 268 yards per game allowed).Roethlisberger has a 103.4 QB rating, averaging 8.9 YPA. Manning leads the league with a 104.3 QB rating, and is second in the NFL with 8.3 YPA.FWP is averaging 4.7 YPC and is over 1,000 rushing yards for the season.Great Defense + Great QB + Great running game (when you factor in Bus for the playoffs) = darkhorse team. Cincinnati, Denver and NE might be the flashy picks to top Indy, but I'd put my money on the Steelers right now. It's all about getting hot at the right time.

 
Pittsburgh has won its last three games by a score of 80-12.

They've allowed 268 yards, 185 yards and 178 yards the past three weeks, averaging just 210 ypg. (The Bears lead the league averaging just 268 yards per game allowed).

Roethlisberger has a 103.4 QB rating, averaging 8.9 YPA. Manning leads the league with a 104.3 QB rating, and is second in the NFL with 8.3 YPA.

FWP is averaging 4.7 YPC and is over 1,000 rushing yards for the season.

Great Defense + Great QB + Great running game (when you factor in Bus for the playoffs) = darkhorse team. Cincinnati, Denver and NE might be the flashy picks to top Indy, but I'd put my money on the Steelers right now. It's all about getting hot at the right time.
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Keep in mind that in that three game stretch, they had the luxury of playing against Charlie Frye and Kyle Orton. I think the playoff QBs will be a little better than those guys. I know they can beat Cincincatti or Jacksonville. I haven't watched a Denver game this year, so I couldn't say. I am not going to be feeling good if/when we have to play NE or IND.

 
Keep in mind that in that three game stretch, they had the luxury of playing against Charlie Frye and Kyle Orton. challenge of playing against the NFL's best Defense. I think the playoff QBs will be a little better than those guys.

I know they can beat Cincincatti or Jacksonville. I haven't watched a Denver game this year, so I couldn't say. I am not going to be feeling good if/when we have to play NE or IND.
Denver is going to be tough for anyone to beat.
 
I was thinking the other day how much better Cincy and Indy seem yet I still feel like it could be New England or Pittsburgh. AFC is really intriguing to me this year.

 
Pittsburgh has won its last three games by a score of 80-12.

They've allowed 268 yards, 185 yards and 178 yards the past three weeks, averaging just 210 ypg. (The Bears lead the league averaging just 268 yards per game allowed).

Roethlisberger has a 103.4 QB rating, averaging 8.9 YPA. Manning leads the league with a 104.3 QB rating, and is second in the NFL with 8.3 YPA.

FWP is averaging 4.7 YPC and is over 1,000 rushing yards for the season.

Great Defense + Great QB + Great running game (when you factor in Bus for the playoffs) = darkhorse team. Cincinnati, Denver and NE might be the flashy picks to top Indy, but I'd put my money on the Steelers right now. It's all about getting hot at the right time.
Relax Francis - it was the Browns for god sake. :rolleyes:
 
So while my cable is (still) not hookied up I have been listening to the John Tesh radio show. It is one down from the station I normally listen to. It is on every night. They are playing nonstop christmas music now. I am ashamed to say I like it, but he plays a good mix of new chrismas tunes, standards, jazzy stuff. Check it out. :bag:
So if they beat the Lions they'll play at Cincy. I can see it with the way the Bengals played today. Still very young that group. But I'll say this, you better beat the Bengals this year because it won't be happening in the next three or four. They are a few defensive players away from being awesome.
 
I could easily see Pittsburgh going into Cincinnati and knocking off the Bengals in 2 weeks. Heck, the Bengals couldn't even take care of the Bills at home when still playing for a 1st round bye.

 
I love the Steelers and believe that when healthy they are in the mix with Indy and NE for the cream of the crop in the NFL....however....winning 3 road playoff games in the AFC would be quite a feat. The Super Bowl might seem easy after that stretch. I'd sure rather play at Cincy than at NE.

 
Assuming they can beat the Lions next week...The Steelers have lost 5 games this year.They lost close games to New England and Cincinnati, and they lost on the road against Indianapolis in Ben's first start after missing a month. They lost to Jacksonville beause Tommy Maddox turned the ball over 5 times, and they lost to Baltimore with Maddox under center, too.They've played well on the road this year, but to get to the Super Bowl, they'll have to win 3 tough road games. I'm not confident that they'll get that far, but they have the talent to win every week.I guess it'll start in 2 weeks on the road against either Cincinnati or New England. Either way, it's going to be a great game in the first round of the playoffs.

 
AFC is going to be great this year. :lmao: :lmao: Depending on who you ask, either New England or Pittsburgh is the hottest team in the NFL and they are the #4 and #6 seeds in the AFC.Pittsburgh can obviously beat anyone but they have already beaten Cincinnati so they would be confident in playing the. They would then have a visit to Denver waiting for them.I think we are in store for 2 ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS Divisional playoff games:NE at IndyPitt/Cincy at DenverYes I am discounting Jax but you have to with the BIG 5 ahead of them.With Indy likely resting everyone again next week (unless they build a big early lead) they could lose to Zona and go into the playoffs on a 3 game losing streak.

 
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We have a lot of statistical-minded people here. Cowher has a clear track record.

An 8-9 career playoff record.

An 0-3 lifetime road playoff record (Lost 27-24 @kan in 93, lost 28-3 @ nwe in 96, lost 34-31 @ ten in 02)
He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once.
0-1 at neutral sites in the postseason (super bowl)He just went 15-1 with this group of players and went 1-1 in the playoffs a year ago. There is absolutely nothing in Bill Cowher's long track record to suggest that he can win three playoffs games to get to the super bowl, probably all on the road. Much less win it all. He first needs to prove he can win a road playoff game, much less three in the same season.

 
If it is Pittsburgh vs Cincy in round one, Pittsburgh will advance to round two, where they will face a rested and ready Colts team (#1 seed will play the lowest remaining seed, which will be Pittsburgh).The ONLY chance they have in Indy will be to run for about 150-200 yards with a mix of Fast Willie and the BUS, controlling the clock and making Mannning and company spectators for about 38 minutes of the game.The AFC playoffs are gonna be AWESOME this year. The top 6 teams in the league reside there, with Seattle and Chicago mixed in somewhere. LETS GET IT ON!!!

 
If it is Pittsburgh vs Cincy in round one, Pittsburgh will advance to round two, where they will face a rested and ready Colts team (#1 seed will play the lowest remaining seed, which will be Pittsburgh).

The ONLY chance they have in Indy will be to run for about 150-200 yards with a mix of Fast Willie and the BUS, controlling the clock and making Mannning and company spectators for about 38 minutes of the game.

The AFC playoffs are gonna be AWESOME this year. The top 6 teams in the league reside there, with Seattle and Chicago mixed in somewhere. LETS GET IT ON!!!
Did you see how SD beat Indy? Pressure on Manning. The Steelers and **** LeBeau are capable of duplicting that pressure. I think the Steelers are capable of giving the Colts all they can handle at this point in the season.
 
We have a lot of statistical-minded people here. Cowher has a clear track record.

An 8-9 career playoff record.

An 0-3 lifetime road playoff record (Lost 27-24 @kan in 93, lost 28-3 @ nwe in 96, lost 34-31 @ ten in 02)
He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once.
0-1 at neutral sites in the postseason (super bowl)He just went 15-1 with this group of players and went 1-1 in the playoffs a year ago. There is absolutely nothing in Bill Cowher's long track record to suggest that he can win three playoffs games to get to the super bowl, probably all on the road. Much less win it all. He first needs to prove he can win a road playoff game, much less three in the same season.
just that he's made it to the Supe before and you seemed to leave it out of your stats above. If record is all that matterred then New England should just get the title now as BB is the winningest coach ever in the playoffs.
 
We have a lot of statistical-minded people here.  Cowher has a clear track record. 

An 8-9 career playoff record.

An 0-3 lifetime road playoff record (Lost 27-24 @kan in 93, lost 28-3 @ nwe in 96, lost 34-31 @ ten in 02)
He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once. 
0-1 at neutral sites in the postseason (super bowl)He just went 15-1 with this group of players and went 1-1 in the playoffs a year ago.  There is absolutely nothing in Bill Cowher's long track record to suggest that he can win three playoffs games to get to the super bowl, probably all on the road.  Much less win it all.  He first needs to prove he can win a road playoff game, much less three in the same season.
just that he's made it to the Supe before and you seemed to leave it out of your stats above. If record is all that matterred then New England should just get the title now as BB is the winningest coach ever in the playoffs.
For clarity.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).

 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.

 
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I think we are in store for 2 ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS Divisional playoff games:

NE at Indy

Pitt/Cincy at Denver
If Pittsburgh, as the 6 seed, wins its first round game, they would play at Indy in the divisional round. In other words, if the Steelers get the 6 seed, there is no way they can play Denver in the 2nd round.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
 
I agree, but just like with the Redskins, its going to be tough having to play 3 road games in the playoffs. IMHO, you have to be far and away the best team to get through that.

 
So while my cable is (still) not hookied up I have been listening to the John Tesh radio show.  It is one down from the station I normally listen to.  It is on every night.  They are playing nonstop christmas music now.  I am ashamed to say I like it, but he plays a good mix of new chrismas tunes, standards, jazzy stuff.  Check it out. :bag:
So if they beat the Lions they'll play at Cincy. I can see it with the way the Bengals played today. Still very young that group. But I'll say this, you better beat the Bengals this year because it won't be happening in the next three or four. They are a few defensive players away from being awesome.
Isn't it still possible for NE to get the #3 seed, meaning they would play there iwth a win against Det?
 
AFC is going to be great this year. :lmao: :lmao: Depending on who you ask, either New England or Pittsburgh is the hottest team in the NFL and they are the #4 and #6 seeds in the AFC.

Pittsburgh can obviously beat anyone but they have already beaten Cincinnati so they would be confident in playing the. They would then have a visit to Denver waiting for them.

I think we are in store for 2 ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS Divisional playoff games:

NE at Indy

Pitt/Cincy at Denver

Yes I am discounting Jax but you have to with the BIG 5 ahead of them.

With Indy likely resting everyone again next week (unless they build a big early lead) they could lose to Zona and go into the playoffs on a 3 game losing streak.
I think Seattle, Washington, and Miami might have something to say about that.
 
Pittsburgh has won its last three games by a score of 80-12.
:rolleyes: The Steelers played the Chicago Bears, Minnesota Vikings and Cleveland Browns. Color me not impressed with their 3 game winning steak.

 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.

 
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He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once.
Please list all the active coaches that have hosted 4 Conference Championship gamesThanks, I'll hang up and listen

 
Pittsburgh has won its last three games by a score of 80-12.
:rolleyes: The Steelers played the Chicago Bears, Minnesota Vikings and Cleveland Browns. Color me not impressed with their 3 game winning steak.
Two of those were on the road. The Bears are one of the best teams in the NFC. The Vikings are a solid club.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
Why is TD-INT ratio more important to you than QB rating, which takes into account all factors?
 
We have a lot of statistical-minded people here. Cowher has a clear track record.

An 8-9 career playoff record.

An 0-3 lifetime road playoff record (Lost 27-24 @kan in 93, lost 28-3 @ nwe in 96, lost 34-31 @ ten in 02)
He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once.
0-1 at neutral sites in the postseason (super bowl)He just went 15-1 with this group of players and went 1-1 in the playoffs a year ago. There is absolutely nothing in Bill Cowher's long track record to suggest that he can win three playoffs games to get to the super bowl, probably all on the road. Much less win it all. He first needs to prove he can win a road playoff game, much less three in the same season.
There was nothing in Billick's track record either yet the Ravens did it a few seasons ago. You remember the Ravens, they're the real Browns team. You first have to make the playoffs and then anything can happen.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
Why is TD-INT ratio more important to you than QB rating, which takes into account all factors?
Because it doesn't support his ridiculous statements. He likes to pick and choose which stats to try and bash the Steelers. 41-0 are the only stats I'm concerned about from Sunday's game.
 
He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once.
Please list all the active coaches that have hosted 4 Conference Championship gamesThanks, I'll hang up and listen
Bri, trying to reason with this guy when discussing the Steelers will only lead to frustration and :wall:
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
 
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He has hosted 4 AFC title games and only won it once. 
Please list all the active coaches that have hosted 4 Conference Championship gamesThanks, I'll hang up and listen
Bri, trying to reason with this guy when discussing the Steelers will only lead to frustration and :wall:
Yeah I know how it feels. IIRC He's Brian Glen Pacula from the old RSFF days so it's been years. He's an odd bird. He doesn't think like everyone else and has some logic and stats to put up so I enjoy the debates. I get told often that I don't think like everyone else so...it doesn't bug me so much. If ya weed thru things he does back up his posts with stats. Well, we don't all have to think alike around here, sometimes it's fun to have a completely different point of view. If it's him, he used to write for some website(regular column or just a here and there thing?) and I REALLY enjoyed reading his stuff. Keep an eye open next summer. After reading 8000 LT vs SA articles, when ya suddenly see something different it's quite enjoyable. Maybe next summer you'll agree

 
I think we are in store for 2 ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS Divisional playoff games:

NE at Indy

Pitt/Cincy at Denver
If Pittsburgh, as the 6 seed, wins its first round game, they would play at Indy in the divisional round. In other words, if the Steelers get the 6 seed, there is no way they can play Denver in the 2nd round.
I didnt know that they reseeded each round. The Pats have been locked into the #4 spot for so long I have just assumed an INDY/NE second round game.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA.
TD/INT Ratio 2004-2005Tom Brady 1.96

Ben Roethlisberger 1.89

Yards Per Attempt 2004-2005

Ben Roethlisberger 8.90 YPA

Peyton Manning 8.75 YPA

Tom Brady 7.83 YPA

I'm sure Big Ben is awfully concerned about losing his job. Using your favorite two statistics Roethlisberger at age 23 is in the same company as the best two QBs in football. Do your homework BGP.

 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
: crickets :Seems you shut up BGP.

 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
: crickets :Seems you shut up BGP.
No post defines this better..... :own3d:
 
Denver was a "hot" team two years ago as a #6 seed, and they got creamed in the 1st round.

It is tough enough for any team that plays on WC weekend to win the Super Bowl. I think only one team has even reached the Super Bowl when winning 3 straight road games (1985 Pats) - so I'd at least double the odds of the Steelers compared to the Pats (as a sample) just based on the Pats will at least get one home game while the Steelers will definitely get no home playoff games.

 
Denver was a "hot" team two years ago as a #6 seed, and they got creamed in the 1st round.

It is tough enough for any team that plays on WC weekend to win the Super Bowl. I think only one team has even reached the Super Bowl when winning 3 straight road games (1985 Pats) - so I'd at least double the odds of the Steelers compared to the Pats (as a sample) just based on the Pats will at least get one home game while the Steelers will definitely get no home playoff games.
Agreed. In order for the Steelers to make the Super Bowl they would have to beat Cincy (or NE) on the road, then Indy, and then probably Denver. As much as I love the Steelers, that would be an incredible feat. Still, as long as you make the playoffs, you at least have a chance.

 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
: crickets :Seems you shut up BGP.
I think BGP has been in jail the past few days:Browns fan says hatred for Steelers moved him to run on field

12/27/2005, 7:41 p.m. ET

The Associated Press

CLEVELAND (AP) — For avid Cleveland Browns fan Nathan Mallett, facing time in jail for running onto the field during a blowout loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers is not the worst of it.

Even the body slam by Pittsburgh's James Harrison didn't hurt as much as the thought that the Browns might ban Mallett from home games.

"That is probably the worst part of it. I guess I'll still watch them on TV," Mallett said Tuesday after pleading innocent in Cleveland Municipal Court to disorderly conduct while intoxicated and criminal trespassing.

Mallett, 24, of Chippewa Lake, has a Jan. 3 trial date. If convicted, he faces a maximum of 30 days in jail and a $250 fine.

Bill Bonsiewicz, a Browns spokesman, said banning Mallett is a possibility. The team will wait to see what happens in court before determining whether Mallett may attend another Browns home game, he said.

Dressed in Cleveland colors — including knee-high bright orange socks and sweat pants that fell off his hips after Harrison's hit — Mallett got past Browns security and ran onto the field with 9:17 left in the fourth quarter of the 41-0 Steelers rout Saturday.

Harrison, a 6-foot, 242-pound linebacker, tackled Mallett and held him against the field until police arrived, handcuffed Mallett and hauled him off to jail.

Harrison said he dropped Mallett because he was heading toward the Pittsburgh sideline.

"We didn't know if he had anything on him or if he might do something. I was protecting my teammates," Harrison said. "I didn't want to hurt him. I just wanted to keep him down until the proper authorities came."

Mallett said he was intoxicated and didn't feel any pain from Harrison's tackle.

But Mallett said he bum rushed the field because his heart was aching from seeing Cleveland's rival winning.

"There's nothing I can say except I hate losing to the Steelers," he said.

Mallett apologized to the Browns and advised other fans who may have similar ideas to think twice.

"Don't do it," said Mallett, who spent Christmas Eve behind bars. "It ain't worth it."

Browns president John Collins said the team is reviewing stadium security measures, handled by Cleveland police and a private company, Tenable Security.

"It's not acceptable," said Collins.

On Oct. 30, a fan ran onto the field in Cincinnati and stole the ball from Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre.

Greg Gall, 31, of Cincinnati was placed on 14 months' probation after pleading guilty to charges of trespassing and disorderly conduct while intoxicated. While on probation, he is banned from Paul Brown Stadium and the Reds' Great American Ball Park.

As for Mallett, he could have been tackled by Browns linebacker Kenard Lang, who only shoved him "because he was a Cleveland fan."

"If he was a Pittsburgh fan, I probably would've knocked him out," Lang said.

 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
Why is TD-INT ratio more important to you than QB rating, which takes into account all factors?
Because of the bolded part. Coaches hate turnovers with a passion. A great runner will get benched if he fumbles. A great QB will get benched if he starts throwing more INTs than TDs.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
If you are trying to prove that perhaps not just Ben is slumping, but several other playoff-bound QBs as well, I think you may have a point. I see nothing here that suggests Ben will turn things around. Chase Stuart seemed to count Ben as a major plus in the statement nested above, which is what I was debating and you haven't refuted me at all.
 
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I just ask this question again, reposted from last season's Steelers-Patriots AFC title game thread:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=2364854

Its funny that I have ripped just about every playoff team, but only Steelers fans can't take it. Why are they so sensitive?
Seahawks:I can rip the Seahawks and say that they've underachieved under Holmgren and several clubs who have a lot of experience this year winning close games may ride into Seattle and steal a playoff game.

Bears:

I can rip the Bears and say they have no offense at all and will have a hard time advancing all the way.

Giants and Panthers:

I can rip them for inconsistent play.

Bucs:

I can rip them for having no reliable QB right now.

Patriots:

I can rip them for being unable to play at a high level consistently.

Broncos:

I can rip them for a total inability to get past the Colts in the playoffs. I can rip them for not winning in the playoffs since Elway left.

Colts:

I can rip them for the fact that Dungy hasn't won anything in the NFL yet and Peyton Manning doesnt have the best playoff resume either.

Bengals:

Lack the defense to advance far.

I can rip anyone. I've said just about all of these things at various points. Most of the time, I get no reaction. There's only one fanbase that gets in my face year-in and year-out.

The Steeler fans.

Why are they so sensitive about their team? You cannot criticize "the Great" Bill Cowher? He hasn't won anything. Get over it.

 
I just ask this question again, reposted from last season's Steelers-Patriots AFC title game thread:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=2364854

Its funny that I have ripped just about every playoff team, but only Steelers fans can't take it. Why are they so sensitive?
Seahawks:I can rip the Seahawks and say that they've underachieved under Holmgren and several clubs who have a lot of experience this year winning close games may ride into Seattle and steal a playoff game.

Bears:

I can rip the Bears and say they have no offense at all and will have a hard time advancing all the way.

Giants and Panthers:

I can rip them for inconsistent play.

Bucs:

I can rip them for having no reliable QB right now.

Patriots:

I can rip them for being unable to play at a high level consistently.

Broncos:

I can rip them for a total inability to get past the Colts in the playoffs. I can rip them for not winning in the playoffs since Elway left.

Colts:

I can rip them for the fact that Dungy hasn't won anything in the NFL yet and Peyton Manning doesnt have the best playoff resume either.

Bengals:

Lack the defense to advance far.

I can rip anyone. I've said just about all of these things at various points. Most of the time, I get no reaction. There's only one fanbase that gets in my face year-in and year-out.

The Steeler fans.

Why are they so sensitive about their team? You cannot criticize "the Great" Bill Cowher? He hasn't won anything. Get over it.
Try ripping those teams on a near-daily basis, regurgitating the same old worn-out trash over and over and see if it gets a reaction.
 
Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
If you are trying to prove that perhaps not just Ben is slumping, but several other playoff-bound QBs as well, I think you may have a point. I see nothing here that suggests Ben will turn things around. Chase Stuart seemed to count Ben as a major plus in the statement nested above, which is what I was debating and you haven't refuted me at all.
Or possibly proving that Ben is playing as well as any QB in the playoffs. His "slump" consisted of the Colts game. Take that one out of your "trend" and his numbers are as good as any of the QB's generally recognized as "superior", which is the real point (since it clearly went over your head). "Everyone else is as bad as Ben" in your view = "Ben is as good as anyone else" for those who aren't wearing blinders.
 
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Everyone seems to forget about the Steelers having the 2nd highest rated QB in the league with a much worse supporting cast than QB1 or QB3 (Palmer).
Through his first 4 games of 2005, Big Ben threw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.Through his last 5 games (weeks 12-16) he has thrown 6 TDs and 5 INTs.

Sure, it could be due to injury. Last year his falloff in production could be due to injury as well. However, in both 2004 and 2005, the fact remains that his production tailed off at the end of each year. Its a trend that shouldn't be ignored.
Skewed stats. His first game back from injury was at Indy, he did play awful (58.7 passer rating, his only below 85 all year). But in the 4 games since then his QB ratings have been: 94.2, 109, 99 and 120. Any coach in the league would take those.
There are no skewed stats there. You are putting a heavy emphasis on passer rating. I'm not. If you feel you prefer passer rating, fine. But nothing has been skewed. I don't care how good any other stat is - if you start throwing more INTs than TDs, you eventually lose your job. Therefore, I start by looking at that ratio. Then if that checks out I look at YPA. I don't consider passer rating whatsoever and never have. And also I did note that he was injured. I noted that Ben gets injured a LOT. In his short career he CLEARLY has been injury-prone. One has to consider the odds of him suffering a new injury or reaggravating an old one is high with him.When I look at Ben's TD-to-INT ratio, in his last 5 games its completely mediocre. Until that gets fixed none of his other personal stats matter to me.
And in his last 3 games, it's infinitely high, since he hasn't thrown an interception in any of those games. On the other hand, Peyton Manning is 3/2 in his last 3 games, Jake Plummer is 3/1, Carson Palmer is 6/5 and Superman Tom Brady is only 5/2. Looks like over the last 3 weeks, Ben has the best TD/Int. ratio of any of the "star" AFC playoff QB's. Now there's a trend you've missed. Even if you go back four games, Manning is 6/2, Palmer is 9/5, Ben is 5/3, Plummer is 4/3 and Brady is 6/6, so Ben's ratio is only significantly worse than Peyton's. See, selective stats can be quite convincing.
If you are trying to prove that perhaps not just Ben is slumping, but several other playoff-bound QBs as well, I think you may have a point. I see nothing here that suggests Ben will turn things around.
Ben will turn what around? He hasn't thrown an interception in his last three games and in only 1 game this year has he thrown for more interceptions than TDs (vs Indy, after missing three games). He has the second highest QB rating in the NFL, less than 1 point behind Peyton Manning.
 
I just ask this question again, reposted from last season's Steelers-Patriots AFC title game thread:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=2364854

Its funny that I have ripped just about every playoff team, but only Steelers fans can't take it. Why are they so sensitive?
Seahawks:I can rip the Seahawks and say that they've underachieved under Holmgren and several clubs who have a lot of experience this year winning close games may ride into Seattle and steal a playoff game.

Bears:

I can rip the Bears and say they have no offense at all and will have a hard time advancing all the way.

Giants and Panthers:

I can rip them for inconsistent play.

Bucs:

I can rip them for having no reliable QB right now.

Patriots:

I can rip them for being unable to play at a high level consistently.

Broncos:

I can rip them for a total inability to get past the Colts in the playoffs. I can rip them for not winning in the playoffs since Elway left.

Colts:

I can rip them for the fact that Dungy hasn't won anything in the NFL yet and Peyton Manning doesnt have the best playoff resume either.

Bengals:

Lack the defense to advance far.

I can rip anyone. I've said just about all of these things at various points. Most of the time, I get no reaction. There's only one fanbase that gets in my face year-in and year-out.

The Steeler fans.

Why are they so sensitive about their team? You cannot criticize "the Great" Bill Cowher? He hasn't won anything. Get over it.
Try ripping those teams on a near-daily basis, regurgitating the same old worn-out trash over and over and see if it gets a reaction.
Oh please, bump the near-daily posts I make about the Steelers. Like I never discuss anything else on these forums. I may discuss the Steelers a bit more only because my criticism of them draws out a mountain of oversensitive Steeler fans who launch into personal attacks against me, so I defend myself. But that's about it.
 

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