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Juneteenth - A Public Holiday (1 Viewer)

KarmaPolice said:
And, hey - white guilt wasn't brought up once!! 
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It rarely is....and when it creeps in, it's usually a projection thing.  You don't know how many people I talk too that get defensive immediately when they find out I help at the one NFP here in my town.  Florida is the first place I've ever experienced that particular phenomena.  

 
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BladeRunner said:
and yet we see it time and time again in here.  The race to be the Liberal White HeroTM is strong (and also very racist).
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no, you see it everywhere.  evidently supermike too.   people that seem to be tired of race and racism also seem to be the ones looking for it everywhere.  

 
The more I think about this holifay, it seems to be a big Gotcha day.  We are supposed to know about it, shamed because we don't.  What other facts are hidden in history that are not commonly known, yet the public is supposed to know?

 
FairWarning said:
The more I think about this holifay, it seems to be a big Gotcha day.  We are supposed to know about it, shamed because we don't.  What other facts are hidden in history that are not commonly known, yet the public is supposed to know?
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Can I ask who is shaming you for not knowing about it? 

Couple pods I listen to had some POC on them in the last couple weeks, and they admitted not being taught it and not knowing about these events until a couple years ago.  

 
it's just this odd opposite end of the spectrum thing.  one side saying they didn't know this stuff either, they don't feel guilty,  etc .    then the other side pipes up saying they are shamed and told to feel guilty.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Can I ask who is shaming you for not knowing about it? 

Couple pods I listen to had some POC on them in the last couple weeks, and they admitted not being taught it and not knowing about these events until a couple years ago.  
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I heard about it a couple years ago also.  Who shames US?  The media.  

 
The Commish said:
It rarely is....and when it creeps in, it's usually a projection thing.  You don't know how many people I talk too that get defensive immediately when they find out I help at the one NFP here in my town.  Florida is the first place I've ever experienced that particular phenomena.  
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What do they get defensive about? 

 
KarmaPolice said:
What do they get defensive about? 
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Most have treaded lightly, but I get a lot of "why are you helping THEM?" kinds of questions and "I don't see why you'd spend your time working with people who don't want to help themselves" kinds of things.  To an individual, I simply suggest they come with me to see the reality.  It's NOT what they've been told.  There always seems to be a desire to blame rather than willingness to meet people where they are and try and help however they can.

It's not all that different than a person scoffing at you because you give a panhandler a couple bucks.  "He/She's just scamming you.  They'll go home to their $400K house tonight and sleep well".  That sort of thing.  And you know what?  They may be right, but they're probably wrong and that couple bucks is no sweat off my back.  It's not going to make me or break me, so I'll run with the probabilities on this and give as I can, when I can.  

 
The Commish said:
Most have treaded lightly, but I get a lot of "why are you helping THEM?" kinds of questions and "I don't see why you'd spend your time working with people who don't want to help themselves" kinds of things.  To an individual, I simply suggest they come with me to see the reality.  It's NOT what they've been told.  There always seems to be a desire to blame rather than willingness to meet people where they are and try and help however they can.

It's not all that different than a person scoffing at you because you give a panhandler a couple bucks.  "He/She's just scamming you.  They'll go home to their $400K house tonight and sleep well".  That sort of thing.  And you know what?  They may be right, but they're probably wrong and that couple bucks is no sweat off my back.  It's not going to make me or break me, so I'll run with the probabilities on this and give as I can, when I can.  
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Sad, but I guess I can see that.  We see that attitude in these threads quite a bit as well.  

If you don't mind my asking, exactly what type of NFP do work for? 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Sad, but I guess I can see that.  We see that attitude in these threads quite a bit as well.  

If you don't mind my asking, exactly what type of NFP do work for? 
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I donate time to a local group who's supporting several things, but the main focus is personal finance and fiscal responsibility.  I spend 10ish hours a month helping with classes on how to manage money from prioritizing bills to saving funds if you're lucky enough to have money left at the end of the month.  

 
The Commish said:
Most have treaded lightly, but I get a lot of "why are you helping THEM?" kinds of questions and "I don't see why you'd spend your time working with people who don't want to help themselves" kinds of things.  To an individual, I simply suggest they come with me to see the reality.  It's NOT what they've been told.  There always seems to be a desire to blame rather than willingness to meet people where they are and try and help however they can.

It's not all that different than a person scoffing at you because you give a panhandler a couple bucks.  "He/She's just scamming you.  They'll go home to their $400K house tonight and sleep well".  That sort of thing.  And you know what?  They may be right, but they're probably wrong and that couple bucks is no sweat off my back.  It's not going to make me or break me, so I'll run with the probabilities on this and give as I can, when I can.  
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That's a bummer you get that kind of response.

And I don't see that attitude in these threads quite a bit at all. 

Going off topic, I get little to none of that kind of thing from most people I encounter. They are super supportive and encouraging and happy we're doing the things we do with the Homeless ministry. If anything, I almost get celebrated for it which is a problem as it takes the focus off the mission. I do get a little of the "Are you enabling?" type conversation but I totally get that as it's a legit discussion. 

 
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Joe Bryant said:
That's a bummer you get that kind of response.

And I don't see that attitude in these threads quite a bit at all. 

I get little to none of that kind of thing from most people I encounter. They are super supportive and encouraging and happy we're doing the things we do with the Homeless ministry. I do get a little of the "Are you enabling?" type conversation but I totally get that as it's a legit discussion. 
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It's new to me here in Florida.  I never had that come up in Ohio, NC or SC.  Everyone was as you describe.

 
Joe Bryant said:
That's a bummer you get that kind of response.

And I don't see that attitude in these threads quite a bit at all. 

Going off topic, I get little to none of that kind of thing from most people I encounter. They are super supportive and encouraging and happy we're doing the things we do with the Homeless ministry. If anything, I almost get celebrated for it which is a problem as it takes the focus off the mission. I do get a little of the "Are you enabling?" type conversation but I totally get that as it's a legit discussion. 
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A lot of responses I see around here are "it's the community" type of responses.   IMO that is in line with what The Commish was saying - people blaming instead of listening to people's struggles and meeting them 1/2 way.  Hell, just this morning supermike posted that he doesn't care about a group of people.  

 
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KarmaPolice said:
A lot of responses I see around here are "it's the community" type of responses.   IMO that is in line with what The Commish was saying - people blaming instead of listening to people's struggles and meeting them 1/2 way.  Hell, just this morning supermike posted that he doesn't care about a group of people.  
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We'll just differ there on "quite a bit". Thanks. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Can I ask who is shaming you for not knowing about it? 

Couple pods I listen to had some POC on them in the last couple weeks, and they admitted not being taught it and not knowing about these events until a couple years ago.  
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In the community where I grew up, in the late 1970s and early 1980s many African-Americans worked as public school teachers. About a third of my teachers in elementary school were African-American ladies, typically middle-aged.

Now, I'll never know for sure. But I'd bet some money that if I could time-travel back to 1977-82 and ask my African-American teachers if they knew what Juneteenth as, I would fully expect all but one to say "Don't know, never heard of it". The one teacher I think could've known about it was from Texas, specifically the Houston area.

 
KarmaPolice said:
A lot of responses I see around here are "it's the community" type of responses.   IMO that is in line with what The Commish was saying - people blaming instead of listening to people's struggles and meeting them 1/2 way.  Hell, just this morning supermike posted that he doesn't care about a group of people.  
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There are LOTS of groups of people I don't care about.  So what?  I won't lie to anyone and tell you there are groups I like.

KKK Members..Not a fan  That's a group of people I don't like.  

Criminals.  Gang members...The list goes on.   Not really sure what your point is here.

 
Doug B said:
In the community where I grew up, in the late 1970s and early 1980s many African-Americans worked as public school teachers. About a third of my teachers in elementary school were African-American ladies, typically middle-aged.

Now, I'll never know for sure. But I'd bet some money that if I could time-travel back to 1977-82 and ask my African-American teachers if they knew what Juneteenth as, I would fully expect all but one to say "Don't know, never heard of it". The one teacher I think could've known about it was from Texas, specifically the Houston area.
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this is in line with what I would expect.  

 
Doug B said:
In the community where I grew up, in the late 1970s and early 1980s many African-Americans worked as public school teachers. About a third of my teachers in elementary school were African-American ladies, typically middle-aged.

Now, I'll never know for sure. But I'd bet some money that if I could time-travel back to 1977-82 and ask my African-American teachers if they knew what Juneteenth as, I would fully expect all but one to say "Don't know, never heard of it". The one teacher I think could've known about it was from Texas, specifically the Houston area.
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Yeah, I’m not really understanding this whole debate. Juneteenth was largely a Texas holiday for most of its history with some exposure in the South. I wouldn’t expect it to be covered in the curriculum nationwide back when we were kids. But the underlying events - Slavery, Civil War, Emancipation Proclamation - are and were certainly covered. 

 
Doug B said:
In the community where I grew up, in the late 1970s and early 1980s many African-Americans worked as public school teachers. About a third of my teachers in elementary school were African-American ladies, typically middle-aged.

Now, I'll never know for sure. But I'd bet some money that if I could time-travel back to 1977-82 and ask my African-American teachers if they knew what Juneteenth as, I would fully expect all but one to say "Don't know, never heard of it". The one teacher I think could've known about it was from Texas, specifically the Houston area.
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Yeah that's strange.  I mean I didn't learn everything about my history from school.  My parents had a role too.  Why did african american parents fail to tell their children about their past.  

Can't blame everything on the racist school system.

 
bigbottom said:
Yeah, I’m not really understanding this whole debate. Juneteenth was largely a Texas holiday for most of its history with some exposure in the South. I wouldn’t expect it to be covered in the curriculum nationwide back when we were kids. But the underlying events - Slavery, Civil War, Emancipation Proclamation - are and were certainly covered. 
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Now the Tulsa Massacre is a different story.

 
supermike80 said:
Yeah that's strange.  I mean I didn't learn everything about my history from school.  My parents had a role too.  Why did african american parents fail to tell their children about their past.  

Can't blame everything on the racist school system.
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Why can’t we?  

 
supermike80 said:
Yeah that's strange.  I mean I didn't learn everything about my history from school.  My parents had a role too.  Why did african american parents fail to tell their children about their past.  

Can't blame everything on the racist school system.
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 It's hard to engage when you and your friends resort to this tired response. A response that nobody in here is arguing.

 
the moops said:
 It's hard to engage when you and your friends resort to this tired response. A response that nobody in here is arguing.
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Exactly, and the response he was quoting also said that Doug's black teachers didn't know about it either.  not sure why there would be an expectation of black parents knowing it and passing it down. 

 
I need to relisten, I know the pod with Harriot on it mentioned 1-2 similar incidents that were worse than Tulsa but I didn't have a pen handy.  somewhere around Atlanta maybe? 

 
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