Just go ahead and eliminate instant replay now (1 Viewer)

[kupcho1]

It was a nice try, but if that's the result - with a 15 yard penalty to add insult to injury - pull the plug on it.

 

[Ilov80s]

I thought every scoring play was reviewed? WTF

 

[CrazyFox]

I thought every scoring play was reviewed? WTF

It is, unless a coach throws a challenge flag looking for a review, in which case it's no longer reviewable and the team gets a penalty. Makes sense, right?

 

[Ilov80s]

Is there another league with worse rules than the NFL? It is a joke. College football is such a better product. It isn't close.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

I thought every scoring play was reviewed? WTF

It is, unless a coach throws a challenge flag looking for a review, in which case it's no longer reviewable and the team gets a penalty. Makes sense, right?

How does this make sense? A coach wants a review so it's no longer reviewable?

 

[Txns8]

Texans fan here and it is a completely meritless rule. Serves no purpose.

 

[sporthenry]

I thought every scoring play was reviewed? WTF

It is, unless a coach throws a challenge flag looking for a review, in which case it's no longer reviewable and the team gets a penalty. Makes sense, right?

How does this make sense? A coach wants a review so it's no longer reviewable?

Yeah, I understand they are trying to keep coaches from throwing the flag on non-reviewable plays but it doesn't seem the crime fits the punishment. Maybe make them use a TO/Challenge or what I would do is just treat it as one of their challenges. So if it is wrong, it is a timeout and they only have 1 challenge left. There was a play in preseason, mind you with the replacement refs, that they didn't review a play, the coach threw the flag, they reviewed it and overturned it.

 

[Phenix]

Does the NFL ever make a rule that makes sense? And if they do, they enforce it totally wrong half the time.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I thought every scoring play was reviewed? WTF

It is, unless a coach throws a challenge flag looking for a review, in which case it's no longer reviewable and the team gets a penalty. Makes sense, right?

How does this make sense? A coach wants a review so it's no longer reviewable?

Yeah, I understand they are trying to keep coaches from throwing the flag on non-reviewable plays but it doesn't seem the crime fits the punishment. Maybe make them use a TO/Challenge or what I would do is just treat it as one of their challenges. So if it is wrong, it is a timeout and they only have 1 challenge left. There was a play in preseason, mind you with the replacement refs, that they didn't review a play, the coach threw the flag, they reviewed it and overturned it.

I remember this, Fischer right?

 

[General Tso]

I tried to make this argument last week and got panned. Replay is ruining the NFL. There's still arguing, still unclarity, still injustice, the only thing different is that the games are an average of 13 minutes longer than they were 15 years ago. I don't even cheer for touchdowns or big plays anymore for fear there's a flag or a review reversal coming. The pace of the game sucks, and that is what used to make football so special.

People complain about baseball, but in actuality the average baseball game is 2 hours 52 minutes and the average football game is now 3 hours 13 minutes and rising weekly. And at

least in baseball you know you can cheer safely when a homerun is hit.

KILL REPLAY NOW.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

 

[silentcoach]

I tried to make this argument last week and got panned. Replay is ruining the NFL. There's still arguing, still unclarity, still injustice, the only thing different is that the games are an average of 13 minutes longer than they were 15 years ago. I don't even cheer for touchdowns or big plays anymore for fear there's a flag or a review reversal coming. The pace of the game sucks, and that is what used to make football so special.People complain about baseball, but in actuality the average baseball game is 2 hours 52 minutes and the average football game is now 3 hours 13 minutes and rising weekly. And at least in baseball you know you can cheer safely when a homerun is hit.KILL REPLAY NOW.Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Think of replay like the court system. Some guilty people will be free, but in the end what matters is that most guilty will be convicted. Same for replay. Sure, they may get some wrong, but all that matters is that they get the obvious plays called right. The main issue should be if most "obvious" plays are being reviewed correctly.

 

[Nucker101]

I thought every scoring play was reviewed? WTF

It is, unless a coach throws a challenge flag looking for a review, in which case it's no longer reviewable and the team gets a penalty. Makes sense, right?

Horrible rule. I'm not sure what Schwartz was thinking since he should know the procedure by now, but the rule is just plain stupid.

 

[General Tso]

I tried to make this argument last week and got panned. Replay is ruining the NFL. There's still arguing, still unclarity, still injustice, the only thing different is that the games are an average of 13 minutes longer than they were 15 years ago. I don't even cheer for touchdowns or big plays anymore for fear there's a flag or a review reversal coming. The pace of the game sucks, and that is what used to make football so special.People complain about baseball, but in actuality the average baseball game is 2 hours 52 minutes and the average football game is now 3 hours 13 minutes and rising weekly. And at least in baseball you know you can cheer safely when a homerun is hit.KILL REPLAY NOW.Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Think of replay like the court system. Some guilty people will be free, but in the end what matters is that most guilty will be convicted. Same for replay. Sure, they may get some wrong, but all that matters is that they get the obvious plays called right. The main issue should be if most "obvious" plays are being reviewed correctly.

We already have a court system, it's called the refs on the field. Replay is more like having to sit through the endless appeals system. Personally I'd rather live with knowing there will be two or three blown calls a game for the return in excitement I'd get from watching LIVE football again. Football is definitely a lot more accurate than it was 20 years ago, but in my opinion it's a lot less fun to watch.And as I type this Jason Garrett just tosses a challenge flag on a spot. Riveting stuff the NFL these days....

 

[Popinski]

I tried to make this argument last week and got panned. Replay is ruining the NFL. There's still arguing, still unclarity, still injustice, the only thing different is that the games are an average of 13 minutes longer than they were 15 years ago. I don't even cheer for touchdowns or big plays anymore for fear there's a flag or a review reversal coming. The pace of the game sucks, and that is what used to make football so special.People complain about baseball, but in actuality the average baseball game is 2 hours 52 minutes and the average football game is now 3 hours 13 minutes and rising weekly. And at least in baseball you know you can cheer safely when a homerun is hit.KILL REPLAY NOW.Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Think of replay like the court system. Some guilty people will be free, but in the end what matters is that most guilty will be convicted. Same for replay. Sure, they may get some wrong, but all that matters is that they get the obvious plays called right. The main issue should be if most "obvious" plays are being reviewed correctly.

We already have a court system, it's called the refs on the field. Replay is more like having to sit through the endless appeals system. Personally I'd rather live with knowing there will be two or three blown calls a game for the return in excitement I'd get from watching LIVE football again. Football is definitely a lot more accurate than it was 20 years ago, but in my opinion it's a lot less fun to watch.And as I type this Jason Garrett just tosses a challenge flag on a spot. Riveting stuff the NFL these days....

I get what you're saying about taking away some from the excitement, but its not anywhere near enough to make me stop watching. And it doesn't come close to overcoming the desire to not have blatant blown calls.

 

[delusional]

Half assed. Much of the #### Goodell has done has been half assed.

This will be addressed in the offseason at the owners meeting along with a bunch of other things. Like half time, illegal hits, etc etc

 

[Raider Nation]

In the most embarrassing display of pathetic NFL officiating since the replacement refs’ Fail Mary ended the lockout, the Texans were handed an 81-yard touchdown on what should have been an eight-yard run by Justin Forsett.But Lions coach Jim Schwartz deserves part of the blame as well.Forsett took a handoff and ran up the middle and was clearly tackled after eight yards. Anyone with two good eyes (or even one good eye) could see that both Forsett’s knee and his elbow were on the ground, and players on both teams started walking back to get into the huddle for the next play.But apparently none of the seven officials the NFL sent to Ford Field today has even one good eye, because none of them saw that Forsett was down. And when Forsett realized that none of the officials saw him go down, he got back up and sprinted to the end zone. The ruling on the field was a touchdown.OK, no problem: Touchdowns are automatically reviewed, and this one will be overturned on replay, right? Wrong.Lions coach Jim Schwartz threw his challenge flag, which is against the rules on scoring plays, which are automatically reviewed. And the NFL’s rules say that when you throw a challenge flag on a play that is automatically reviewed, not only are you penalized 15 yards, but the play is no longer reviewed. So Schwartz’s bonehead decision sealed the Texans’ touchdown.But while Schwartz could be seen pointing to himself and saying, “That’s on me,” it’s really on the officials. This was an unconscionable mistake.The NFL recently fined referee Tony Corrente his game check for swearing into an open microphone. The officials working today’s game in Detroit deserve a much harsher punishment than that, for a much worse mistake.

 

[renesauz]

Btter yet....have another official in a booth with a 42" HD screen make all the calls...no red flags...no running to the sideline and having the same guy who missed the initial call watch the play on a 16 inch screen..

just like they do in college

 

[Raider Nation]

So here's a question: the Lions score a TD on a very questionable call. In fact, his guys upstairs tell him it's a terrible call, and when reviewed, it will not be a TD. Can't he then use the stupid rule to his advantage by throwing the challenge flag "against" his own team so that it's not reviewed, then take the 15-yard penalty on the kickoff?

Or am I missing something?

 

[packseasontix]

Is there another league with worse rules than the NFL? It is a joke. College football is such a better product. It isn't close.

Yup love a sport where 1 loss makes the season pointless...Also love the fact that teams in the SEC will pay players to play so they can get the best players.I will stick with the NFL.

 

[packseasontix]

So here's a question: the Lions score a TD on a very questionable call. In fact, his guys upstairs tell him it's a terrible call, and when reviewed, it will not be a TD. Can't he then use the stupid rule to his advantage by throwing the challenge flag "against" his own team so that it's not reviewed, then take the 15-yard penalty on the kickoff?Or am I missing something?

Check the other forum post I put up the rules.When you have a penalty any penalty that impedes the game and possible snap then your team can not have a review in your favor. So throwing the flag would do nothing but give you a 15 yard penalty and still let the booth say there needs to be a review.

 

[Popinski]

Btter yet....have another official in a booth with a 42" HD screen make all the calls...no red flags...no running to the sideline and having the same guy who missed the initial call watch the play on a 16 inch screen..

Agree, just have an official upstairs do it. Or just have Phil Simms decide.

 

[SonnyD]

It would make way too much sense to just penalize the Lions 15 yards from the spot where Forsett went down AFTER reviewing the scoring play. Review the play, Forsett down at his own 40 yard line but after the 15 yard penalty on Schwartz, it's Houston ball 1st and 10 at the Detroit 45 yard.

Would make way too much sense for the NFL I guess.

 

[asuterlowe]

In the most embarrassing display of pathetic NFL officiating since the replacement refs’ Fail Mary ended the lockout, the Texans were handed an 81-yard touchdown on what should have been an eight-yard run by Justin Forsett.

But Lions coach Jim Schwartz deserves part of the blame as well.

Forsett took a handoff and ran up the middle and was clearly tackled after eight yards. Anyone with two good eyes (or even one good eye) could see that both Forsett’s knee and his elbow were on the ground, and players on both teams started walking back to get into the huddle for the next play.

But apparently none of the seven officials the NFL sent to Ford Field today has even one good eye, because none of them saw that Forsett was down. And when Forsett realized that none of the officials saw him go down, he got back up and sprinted to the end zone. The ruling on the field was a touchdown.

OK, no problem: Touchdowns are automatically reviewed, and this one will be overturned on replay, right? Wrong.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz threw his challenge flag, which is against the rules on scoring plays, which are automatically reviewed. And the NFL’s rules say that when you throw a challenge flag on a play that is automatically reviewed, not only are you penalized 15 yards, but the play is no longer reviewed. So Schwartz’s bonehead decision sealed the Texans’ touchdown.

But while Schwartz could be seen pointing to himself and saying, “That’s on me,” it’s really on the officials. This was an unconscionable mistake.

The NFL recently fined referee Tony Corrente his game check for swearing into an open microphone. The officials working today’s game in Detroit deserve a much harsher punishment than that, for a much worse mistake.

I don't get this, the referees enforced the rule properly, its just an absolutely terrible rule. Should the referees decide on the spot that some rules are bad rules? I'd rather they didn't call a play dead and then review it and overturn it and get it right, and this system works if Swartz doesn't throw a flag.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm sure the author was referring to the refs blowing the call in the first place.

 

[KGB]

So, if the other team threw the flag, would they still not be able to review it, and "lock in" your TD?

 

[thatguythere]

So here's a question: the Lions score a TD on a very questionable call. In fact, his guys upstairs tell him it's a terrible call, and when reviewed, it will not be a TD. Can't he then use the stupid rule to his advantage by throwing the challenge flag "against" his own team so that it's not reviewed, then take the 15-yard penalty on the kickoff?Or am I missing something?

Holy shmit someone is doing this for sure. I can't wait to see ensuing debacle. I hope it's on Monday Night Football. What a stupid rule. I saw someone get called on it last week. Figures the Lions would get screwed on it....

 

[Run It Up]

So here's a question: the Lions score a TD on a very questionable call. In fact, his guys upstairs tell him it's a terrible call, and when reviewed, it will not be a TD. Can't he then use the stupid rule to his advantage by throwing the challenge flag "against" his own team so that it's not reviewed, then take the 15-yard penalty on the kickoff?Or am I missing something?

Holy shmit someone is doing this for sure. I can't wait to see ensuing debacle. I hope it's on Monday Night Football. What a stupid rule. I saw someone get called on it last week. Figures the Lions would get screwed on it....

Expect BB to try in a clutch game, im sure the fine will be outrageous though.

 

[da_budman]

In the most embarrassing display of pathetic NFL officiating since the replacement refs’ Fail Mary ended the lockout, the Texans were handed an 81-yard touchdown on what should have been an eight-yard run by Justin Forsett.

But Lions coach Jim Schwartz deserves part of the blame as well.

Forsett took a handoff and ran up the middle and was clearly tackled after eight yards. Anyone with two good eyes (or even one good eye) could see that both Forsett’s knee and his elbow were on the ground, and players on both teams started walking back to get into the huddle for the next play.

But apparently none of the seven officials the NFL sent to Ford Field today has even one good eye, because none of them saw that Forsett was down. And when Forsett realized that none of the officials saw him go down, he got back up and sprinted to the end zone. The ruling on the field was a touchdown.

OK, no problem: Touchdowns are automatically reviewed, and this one will be overturned on replay, right? Wrong.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz threw his challenge flag, which is against the rules on scoring plays, which are automatically reviewed. And the NFL’s rules say that when you throw a challenge flag on a play that is automatically reviewed, not only are you penalized 15 yards, but the play is no longer reviewed. So Schwartz’s bonehead decision sealed the Texans’ touchdown.

But while Schwartz could be seen pointing to himself and saying, “That’s on me,” it’s really on the officials. This was an unconscionable mistake.

The NFL recently fined referee Tony Corrente his game check for swearing into an open microphone. The officials working today’s game in Detroit deserve a much harsher punishment than that, for a much worse mistake.

I don't get this, the referees enforced the rule properly, its just an absolutely terrible rule. Should the referees decide on the spot that some rules are bad rules? I'd rather they didn't call a play dead and then review it and overturn it and get it right, and this system works if Swartz doesn't throw a flag.

What he is saying is out of all those refs one of them should have seen that forset was clearly down and done their job by blowing the wistle. No doubt that A it was a bonehead move and B is a terrible rule but those things never come into play if the refs do their job properly.

 

[DoubleG]

They will change the rule this offseason. No worries.

And for those saying we should get of instant replay because there is a stupid rule about how/when the challenge flag can be thrown (which wasn't an issue until this year - won't be after this year - and has only affected the idiot Lion's head coach) y'all need to slow you roll and not be calling to throw out the baby with the bath water. And I'm sorry if it cost you your game.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So here's a question: the Lions score a TD on a very questionable call. In fact, his guys upstairs tell him it's a terrible call, and when reviewed, it will not be a TD. Can't he then use the stupid rule to his advantage by throwing the challenge flag "against" his own team so that it's not reviewed, then take the 15-yard penalty on the kickoff?Or am I missing something?

Holy shmit someone is doing this for sure. I can't wait to see ensuing debacle. I hope it's on Monday Night Football. What a stupid rule. I saw someone get called on it last week. Figures the Lions would get screwed on it....

Expect BB to try in a clutch game, im sure the fine will be outrageous though.

Again, the rule is that you can not benefit from the instant replay, not that there can be no instant replay. So the coach in this case would still get a 15 yard penalty and the booth would still review it since the review would not benefit the team that threw the illegal challenge flag.Still a dumb rule though.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So here's a question: the Lions score a TD on a very questionable call. In fact, his guys upstairs tell him it's a terrible call, and when reviewed, it will not be a TD. Can't he then use the stupid rule to his advantage by throwing the challenge flag "against" his own team so that it's not reviewed, then take the 15-yard penalty on the kickoff?Or am I missing something?

Holy shmit someone is doing this for sure. I can't wait to see ensuing debacle. I hope it's on Monday Night Football.

LOL, I can't wait for this to happen.

 

[packseasontix]

In the most embarrassing display of pathetic NFL officiating since the replacement refs’ Fail Mary ended the lockout, the Texans were handed an 81-yard touchdown on what should have been an eight-yard run by Justin Forsett.

But Lions coach Jim Schwartz deserves part of the blame as well.

Forsett took a handoff and ran up the middle and was clearly tackled after eight yards. Anyone with two good eyes (or even one good eye) could see that both Forsett’s knee and his elbow were on the ground, and players on both teams started walking back to get into the huddle for the next play.

But apparently none of the seven officials the NFL sent to Ford Field today has even one good eye, because none of them saw that Forsett was down. And when Forsett realized that none of the officials saw him go down, he got back up and sprinted to the end zone. The ruling on the field was a touchdown.

OK, no problem: Touchdowns are automatically reviewed, and this one will be overturned on replay, right? Wrong.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz threw his challenge flag, which is against the rules on scoring plays, which are automatically reviewed. And the NFL’s rules say that when you throw a challenge flag on a play that is automatically reviewed, not only are you penalized 15 yards, but the play is no longer reviewed. So Schwartz’s bonehead decision sealed the Texans’ touchdown.

But while Schwartz could be seen pointing to himself and saying, “That’s on me,” it’s really on the officials. This was an unconscionable mistake.

The NFL recently fined referee Tony Corrente his game check for swearing into an open microphone. The officials working today’s game in Detroit deserve a much harsher punishment than that, for a much worse mistake.

I don't get this, the referees enforced the rule properly, its just an absolutely terrible rule. Should the referees decide on the spot that some rules are bad rules? I'd rather they didn't call a play dead and then review it and overturn it and get it right, and this system works if Swartz doesn't throw a flag.

What he is saying is out of all those refs one of them should have seen that forset was clearly down and done their job by blowing the wistle. No doubt that A it was a bonehead move and B is a terrible rule but those things never come into play if the refs do their job properly.

He didn't look 100% with live play when watching on tv (bad view). Also note that even watching the replay, yes his elbow was down for an extended time but his knee was down for a very very very short period of time. Just because they slow the replay down to .000001x speed sometimes you need to remember that the play moved much quicker. Also the refs were out of position and missed it, that is the POINT OF REPLAY, so if the refs miss a call or if they are not sure of a call they air on the side of caution sometimes knowing that it can be reviewed.

 

[packseasontix]

Btter yet....have another official in a booth with a 42" HD screen make all the calls...no red flags...no running to the sideline and having the same guy who missed the initial call watch the play on a 16 inch screen..just like they do in college

I have always said in both major sports:Football - 2 refs on the field to break up fights, have 3-4 refs in the box watching all angles and calling all infractions and ball placementBaseball - 1 umpire on the field behind home, 2-3 up in the box with FOX TRAX calling all balls/strikesIn the times that we have with instant replay, millions of camera views, and computers that can call some fouls and ball/strikes why do you have people do it? Take the money you would save on the extra 1-3 refs/umps and donate it to a charity...

 

[DTD]

The biggest indictment of the whole review process is when they have that supposed Super-Ref analyst giving his take before the challenge decision has been announced. Over half the time he comes up with the exact opposite of whats decided on the field and is left stuttering and trying to explain how the refs could have possibly interpreted the call differently.

 

[pantagrapher]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

 

[packseasontix]

The biggest indictment of the whole review process is when they have that supposed Super-Ref analyst giving his take before the challenge decision has been announced. Over half the time he comes up with the exact opposite of whats decided on the field and is left stuttering and trying to explain how the refs could have possibly interpreted the call differently.

Very doubtful its 1/2 the time, you must not watch very often then. Most times the announcers are even like you are always right. I would be interested in trying to find his accuracy compared to those on the field.Also you will note that the 1 or 2 times in the last 2-3 years I have seen him wrong it was usually a very close play that is very much a judgement call.

 

[Ilov80s]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

 

[packseasontix]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

Nothing wrong with that, instant replay can easily bring that back. What if he didn't touch his knee or elbow and ran it in for a TD? Now the refs whistled it dead and the Texans lost a big play... THE COACH SCREWED THIS UP, if Schwartz woudn't have had thrown the challenge flag there wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[renesauz]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

Nothing wrong with that, instant replay can easily bring that back. What if he didn't touch his knee or elbow and ran it in for a TD? Now the refs whistled it dead and the Texans lost a big play... THE COACH SCREWED THIS UP, if Schwartz woudn't have had thrown the challenge flag there wouldn't have been an issue.

OK...and the coach/team deserves 80+ penalty yards for his mistake?Everyone realizes Schwartz screwed up. Doesn't make it a good rule. Heck...on reading the rule, it's highly debateable if it was even enforced correctly.

Sorry...bad rule that needs to be changed. Ridiculous to even defend it.

 

[eakfootball]

The league should be embarrassed after that.

 

[pantagrapher]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

Nothing wrong with that, instant replay can easily bring that back. What if he didn't touch his knee or elbow and ran it in for a TD? Now the refs whistled it dead and the Texans lost a big play... THE COACH SCREWED THIS UP, if Schwartz woudn't have had thrown the challenge flag there wouldn't have been an issue.

OK...and the coach/team deserves 80+ penalty yards for his mistake?Everyone realizes Schwartz screwed up. Doesn't make it a good rule. Heck...on reading the rule, it's highly debateable if it was even enforced correctly.

Sorry...bad rule that needs to be changed. Ridiculous to even defend it.

It's a bad rule. I think everyone agrees on that. But don't blame instant replay, like the OP. Had the play been reviewed, it would have been overturned.

 

[sho nuff]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

Sure...but how many times have people whined when the refs have done that...only to then see the ball carrier was never down or rolled over a player never touching the ground.

 

[sho nuff]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

Nothing wrong with that, instant replay can easily bring that back. What if he didn't touch his knee or elbow and ran it in for a TD? Now the refs whistled it dead and the Texans lost a big play... THE COACH SCREWED THIS UP, if Schwartz woudn't have had thrown the challenge flag there wouldn't have been an issue.

OK...and the coach/team deserves 80+ penalty yards for his mistake?Everyone realizes Schwartz screwed up. Doesn't make it a good rule. Heck...on reading the rule, it's highly debateable if it was even enforced correctly.

Sorry...bad rule that needs to be changed. Ridiculous to even defend it.

I don't think anyone is defending the "can't be reviewed" part of this.

 

[packseasontix]

I would think this play is an argument in favor of instant replay.

This is how convoluted the situation has become. Refs are encouraged not to blow the whistle so that plays can be reviewed. Refs are encouraged to not whistle him down there. Without replay, maybe the refs blow the play dead.

Nothing wrong with that, instant replay can easily bring that back. What if he didn't touch his knee or elbow and ran it in for a TD? Now the refs whistled it dead and the Texans lost a big play... THE COACH SCREWED THIS UP, if Schwartz woudn't have had thrown the challenge flag there wouldn't have been an issue.

OK...and the coach/team deserves 80+ penalty yards for his mistake?Everyone realizes Schwartz screwed up. Doesn't make it a good rule. Heck...on reading the rule, it's highly debateable if it was even enforced correctly.

Sorry...bad rule that needs to be changed. Ridiculous to even defend it.

Ya... no debate the rule being done correctly. Well you can debate but with 100% of the NFL/Media and a lot of fans all saying it was correct your not getting anywhere.I am defending the fact that in the current state there was nothing wrong with the events of that play and the non-review. The coach needs to know how important it is not to challenge the play, most teams if not all have someone or a team of people in the booth telling them to challenge or not. That person/persons should have been telling him don't worry the auto-challenge will bring this back.

As for changing the rule it could be changed somewhat but split out into must be review to sub-2:00 reviews where the play is coming shortly after. There still needs to be a big hit for asking for the review when its not allowed, I would say you have to take a Time-Out but the play can still be reviewed. The rule is what it is this week though and will probably stay through the end of the year. Its the coaches fault though and it was great that Schwartz was the one that got caught now just need Harbaugh (SF) and BB (NE) to get caught as well and the biggest jerk coaches would be nailed on this hilarious rule.

 

[Da Guru]

I just watched the other play that was botched by review. Lions punted and after the punt hit the ground it hit a Texan player in the leg and the Lions recovered. When you watch it in slo-motion the ball makes direct contact with the Texans player thigh..and even he knew it because as soon as it hit him he was scrambling to find the ball. Refs look at it for 3 mintues and say it was inconclusive. The viewers at home saw it..the announcers saw it but no-call. The Texan defense already had their helmets back on. Unreal...

 

[renesauz]

It's a bad rule. I think everyone agrees on that. But don't blame instant replay, like the OP. Had the play been reviewed, it would have been overturned.

Crossed wires somewhere, because I'm NOT blaming instant replay.I do believe the current system of instant replay is dumb though. Major college conferances have it right. No red flags and a replay official in the booth makes the call...generally much quicker than the NFL yahoos do.

 

[renesauz]

I don't think anyone is defending the "can't be reviewed" part of this.

Maybe not, but a lot of people are putting 90% of the onus on Schwartz for screwing up, when 90% should be on a horrible rule OR the ridiculous interpretation of the rule (reading the rule....it's not very clear).Schwartz's error doesn't deserve the pnishment received, no matter how stupid anyone thinks he is.

 

[renesauz]

Ya... no debate the rule being done correctly. Well you can debate but with 100% of the NFL/Media and a lot of fans all saying it was correct your not getting anywhere.I am defending the fact that in the current state there was nothing wrong with the events of that play and the non-review. The coach needs to know how important it is not to challenge the play, most teams if not all have someone or a team of people in the booth telling them to challenge or not. That person/persons should have been telling him don't worry the auto-challenge will bring this back.As for changing the rule it could be changed somewhat but split out into must be review to sub-2:00 reviews where the play is coming shortly after. There still needs to be a big hit for asking for the review when its not allowed, I would say you have to take a Time-Out but the play can still be reviewed. The rule is what it is this week though and will probably stay through the end of the year. Its the coaches fault though and it was great that Schwartz was the one that got caught now just need Harbaugh (SF) and BB (NE) to get caught as well and the biggest jerk coaches would be nailed on this hilarious rule.

The rule is anything but clear....BUT, it's quite possible that the refs enforced it the way they were told to enforce it. I'm NOT blaming the refs here. The blame falls squarely on the NFL for a poorly worded and poorly thought out rule.And why does there have to be a "big hit"? I'd call it a delay of game type foul. You could argue a personal/conduct foul. Either way...those fouls NEVER take away the ability to review a play...why should this?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Ya... no debate the rule being done correctly. Well you can debate but with 100% of the NFL/Media and a lot of fans all saying it was correct your not getting anywhere.I am defending the fact that in the current state there was nothing wrong with the events of that play and the non-review. The coach needs to know how important it is not to challenge the play, most teams if not all have someone or a team of people in the booth telling them to challenge or not. That person/persons should have been telling him don't worry the auto-challenge will bring this back.As for changing the rule it could be changed somewhat but split out into must be review to sub-2:00 reviews where the play is coming shortly after. There still needs to be a big hit for asking for the review when its not allowed, I would say you have to take a Time-Out but the play can still be reviewed. The rule is what it is this week though and will probably stay through the end of the year. Its the coaches fault though and it was great that Schwartz was the one that got caught now just need Harbaugh (SF) and BB (NE) to get caught as well and the biggest jerk coaches would be nailed on this hilarious rule.

The rule is anything but clear....BUT, it's quite possible that the refs enforced it the way they were told to enforce it. I'm NOT blaming the refs here. The blame falls squarely on the NFL for a poorly worded and poorly thought out rule.

Perhaps, but the refs are the ones that messed up the call in the first place.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't think anyone is defending the "can't be reviewed" part of this.

Maybe not, but a lot of people are putting 90% of the onus on Schwartz for screwing up, when 90% should be on a horrible rule OR the ridiculous interpretation of the rule (reading the rule....it's not very clear).Schwartz's error doesn't deserve the pnishment received, no matter how stupid anyone thinks he is.

But the rule is already there...like it or not.The Onus is on Schwartz in this case because...bad rule or good rule...he should know the freaking rules and screwed the pooch.And the rule is clear enough...and dumb...and no, his error should be no more than 15 yards...but the rule as it is penalizes more than that.