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Just got back from La Dentista in Mexico... full report (1 Viewer)

I went to a dentist in Acuna for the last 15 years. She was hung headless on the international bridge about 9 months ago. She was an activist against the gang/drug violence. I don't cross the border much anymore, but when I do it's only daytime and people on US side know where I going.
Los Algodones is pretty safe, considerably safer than most other border towns.

How has your dental work held up?

 
Can't wait to get the official FBG dentist's input on this
I'm going to go ahead and stay out of this thread - i read it so far. But this is probably going to be the only post I make in here. I already delivered my statement on it, the OP knows it, and he's moved on. That's perfectly fine.

The thing about this thread is that as he has already stated.. we won't really know some of the outcomes for a few years anyway.

I know that dentistry is expensive. I'm already in one of the lowest cost areas of the country for dentistry in Missouri so I know what some of you face in larger metropolitan areas.

The fees he is getting from these Mexican places are clearly less than I charge, less than half in most of the cases.

I am sure that price comes from the fact that the dentists down there play their employees probably much less, don't have to follow as stringent of OSHA guidelines, probably don't use as expensive of materials, probably don't have the risk of lawsuits for their work and the accompanying malpractice insurance and are probably willing to accept a lower profit margin on their work.

I've seen some cheap poorly done dentistry actually work for people for much longer than it would seem possible.. and I've seen plenty more that simply leaves me scratching my head as to what the heck these people were doing.

I recognize that I'm biased on my opinion due to what I do. I also recognize that medical tourism is becoming more popular as medical costs rise in this country

Again, I'm biased but there are many things you can skimp and save on in your life, and medical/dental care just isn't one of the places I'd choose to save money on. I'd rather have crappier clothes, drive a worse car, eat out less, or give up some other luxury than get medical care done in a 3rd world country.

I am pretty sure how this thread will go. The OP will probably choose their provider and probably be very pleased with the outcome relative to the cost at the time the service is done.

Even good dental care sometimes has results that break down quicker than I would like them to. I certainly have to do more warranty work than I would like to sometimes...

But we won't know for a few years down the road whether the OP made a good decision or not.

The descriptions of the exam appointments already have me cringing all over the place.

I sincerely hope this thread doesn't inspire a wave of FBG's to do try this.
I know Lombardi...the guy doesn't waste cash on frivolous things and already budgets big time in order to allow his wife to stay home with the three kids. The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids. There simply is no more fat to cut without sacrificing the important things...sure, he can get another job or his wife can...but that will take one or both of them away from the kids during the "important years". The costs of these procedures is somewhere near $30K in the states...that's just unreal. If the guy can get comparable work done a stone throw across the border for around $8K...that's worthy to me...especially if those savings help to establish a down-payment on a great home much quicker than if you did these procedures in the States.

Lombardi...sorry for putting your business in the streets...PM me and I'll delete this post. I just wanted to clarify that this isn't simply a case of "cut costs...stop eating out, cut back the premium channels kinda nonsense".
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Still got my homies to watch my back

 
Wilfredo Ledezma said:
Fennis said:
Fennis said:
Wilfredo Ledezma said:
Getting an X-Ray at a Mexican dentist is the scariest to me.

I'm guessing the regulations on radiation, calibration etc., are well, none existed.
Let alone 3 X-Rays at three different dentists in Mexico.
ahh, the rare replying to your own post move.
its not that rare
I do it all the time
That's pretty dembo.
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Dentist said:
@ tdoss I'm sorry, that is just BS - I've never done 30,000 of work on one patient in my entire career and I've fixed up some incredibly diseased mouths.

The most I've ever done on one patient is about 16K worth, and that was mostly elective and I have literally crown every single tooth remaining in his head.

What he is describing he needs doesn't amount to anywhere near 30K unless it is done by some uber Hollywood "specialist"

The costs of these procedures is somewhere near $30K in the states...that's just unreal.
$30k is slighly high, but close.

My wife's quote from the dentist was $17k. This was without any implants, veneers, coloring, or anythign like that. Only root canals, crowns, bridges, fillings, and extractions. We live in NJ and this wasn't a strictly cosmetic, just a run of the mill dentist near where we live where a few people we know regularly go.

I assumed my work was about the same and when I saw tdoss a couple weeks ago that was the number I threw out. Having gotten my initial exams in MX I need slightly less work than she does. But if I apply the work I'm told I need to his prices I come out at just over $11k. So that ends up being a total of $28k for the two of us.

We live in NJ, I don't know if costs vary that much from state to state but this is what the dentist back home charges....

Prophylaxix - $107

Extraction - $286

Filling - $265/$294/$349 (depending on tooth and surfaces?)

Scaling - $1464 (total all 4 quads)

Root Canal + Post + Crown = $1241 + $467 + $1378 = $3086

Molar Root Canal + Post + Crown = $1406 + $467 + $1378 = $3251

 
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Dentist said:
@ tdoss I'm sorry, that is just BS - I've never done 30,000 of work on one patient in my entire career and I've fixed up some incredibly diseased mouths.

The most I've ever done on one patient is about 16K worth, and that was mostly elective and I have literally crown every single tooth remaining in his head.

What he is describing he needs doesn't amount to anywhere near 30K unless it is done by some uber Hollywood "specialist"

The costs of these procedures is somewhere near $30K in the states...that's just unreal.
What's BS is your reading comprehension and math skills...there are two of them.

 
The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids.
JFC...... I missed this post.

This pretty much explains everything

We all make choices in life....

 
The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids.
JFC...... I missed this post.

This pretty much explains everything

We all make choices in life....
You also missed the very first sentence of the OP's originating post...talking about him and his wife needing dental work...but what's the sense...according to you, "you're going to stay out of this thread"...so I'm probably wasting time posting this since you won't see it.

 
The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids.
JFC...... I missed this post.

This pretty much explains everything

We all make choices in life....
You also missed the very first sentence of the OP's originating post...talking about him and his wife needing dental work...but what's the sense...according to you, "you're going to stay out of this thread"...so I'm probably wasting time posting this since you won't see it.
but only he is getting the exam. Your post implied it was 30K for one single person.

 
The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids.
JFC...... I missed this post.

This pretty much explains everything

We all make choices in life....
You also missed the very first sentence of the OP's originating post...talking about him and his wife needing dental work...but what's the sense...according to you, "you're going to stay out of this thread"...so I'm probably wasting time posting this since you won't see it.
Not sure why you're dinging Dentist... his posts have been reasonable, and I've appreciated his expert opinions on an interesting situation.

 
The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids.
JFC...... I missed this post.

This pretty much explains everything

We all make choices in life....
You also missed the very first sentence of the OP's originating post...talking about him and his wife needing dental work...but what's the sense...according to you, "you're going to stay out of this thread"...so I'm probably wasting time posting this since you won't see it.
Not sure why you're dinging Dentist... his posts have been reasonable, and I've appreciated his expert opinions on an interesting situation.
He went back and deleted one of his posts, after my reply...cleaning up his image a bit after coming off like a jerk. Dude basically said he's the Mensa chairman of FBG's.

The fact that he deleted it is very telling

 
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The guy has been able to take his kids on a year long trip all over the U.S. while working from his laptop...he always keeps cost in mind but still finds a way to provide a fruitful, adventurous and loving upbringing for this kids.
JFC...... I missed this post.

This pretty much explains everything

We all make choices in life....
You also missed the very first sentence of the OP's originating post...talking about him and his wife needing dental work...but what's the sense...according to you, "you're going to stay out of this thread"...so I'm probably wasting time posting this since you won't see it.
Not sure why you're dinging Dentist... his posts have been reasonable, and I've appreciated his expert opinions on an interesting situation.
Agreed
 
Just talked with Lombardi...he's doing fine with only one kidney.

He'll report in when he gets a chance.

 
Dentist shouldn't be slammed for what he's said or deleted in here. Biggest mistake he made was posting in here. It's a no win situation for him. The OP is knowingly taking a chance by seeing a dentist (or 2 or 3) Mexico. FBG dentist got sucked in, like most decent human beings would when they see someone making what they perceive to be a bad decision. Thanks for your input FBG dentist

 
Dentist shouldn't be slammed for what he's said or deleted in here. Biggest mistake he made was posting in here. It's a no win situation for him. The OP is knowingly taking a chance by seeing a dentist (or 2 or 3) Mexico. FBG dentist got sucked in, like most decent human beings would when they see someone making what they perceive to be a bad decision. Thanks for your input FBG dentist
The only person "slamming" Dentist was me. The guy straight up called me out and said I was full of BS. I rolled up a newspaper and swatted him back for it. He then came out guns blazing...I retorted. He deleted his post...I left mine.

I actually appreciate the guy's opinion and expertise in this particular discussion...I just took offense to him dragging me into his dogfight. He said he was only going to post once but then felt strongly enough to post multiple times after that...which is fine...but don't lash out at me just because I said Lombardi's quote in the U.S. was $30K versus 1/3 of that in Mexico.

 
UPDATE - Sorry I away so long, I had off the entire Christmas week and have been a bit overwhelmed catching up with work and going to dentist appointments.

So I ended up going with Dentist #1. They started with deep cleaning and then I had 2 extractions done. After that, after my gum swelling was down form the extractions we moved to fillings. I need a bunch of fillings, one of which was a little deep but we used some kind of protectant (cant' remember what it was called, vetri-something?) as a barrier to the nerve. He said it should be fine but if I ever feel pain or sensitivity I could need a root canal there. Including fillings I needed we replaced my old metal fillings with white fillings, all except the ones on a tooth we'll be using for a bridge. Those are staying until the bridge is done later since that will have to be ground down at that point. Overall I had less problems than I thought I would.

I have a gap in the back and we discussed a partial or a bridge. He said my bone isn't great there and an implant was possible but he would suggest I go with a bridge because the amount of bone could cause an implant failure. Said he wouldn't do it now but if I wanted to wait 6 months and check the area and see how everything healed I could decide then. Periodontist also suggested I wait and do something down the road when everything heals up, a few months from now. Actually, I've been pretty impressed with this place. There were a few instances where they've given me and my wife advice that would cost us less money and cost them some more business but they thought it was better for our health. I really like this place, they have periodontist in house and an oral surgeon who comes in for procedures. Nothing is really outsourced except lab stuff. So got out of there pretty unscathed.

The experience was about the same as the American dentist. The office looked a little older and was smaller but everything was very clean, everything they stick in my mouth comes out of sealed, sterlized packets, the doctor communicates really well. The main difference is the time everything takes. When at home everything seemed to go a lot slower, a lot more appointments spread out over a longer amount of time. Here they seem to pack a lot in at once and can seem me any day I want to come in. The only waiting was while gums needed to recover from the scaling. All in all a pretty good experience. Much cheaper of course and everything looks great. I was never scared or nervous down there, in the town, Los Algodones is NOT Tijuana. Pretty mellow place, I even went walking around exploring a little one day and was in a pretty residential looking area and never felt unsafe, something I wouldn't do in most other border towns.

 
Wife was a different story. She had extraction and some fillings also, also needs a couple of root canals. Basic stuff.

However, she has experienced some serious bone loss near a couple of teeth. They were discussing an extraction in the area because one of the teeth the bone is too far gone. We told them to hold off and we did a little research. We are looking at LANAP procedure for these couple of teeth. Nobody in Algodones does it (although 2 places say they do, they don't). So we saw a periodontist in Yuma, AZ and he also suggested LANAP but said it's not guaranteed and it should be done in a few places but most likely would not save that 1 tooth. It's really expensive, like $4.5k. There is a place in Tijuana that legitimately does it, guy was trained in U.S., I called IALD and company that makes the Periolase machine and he is legit. It's probably half of the price, not the discount you see on other dental stuff but definitely a discount. However, it would require going into Tijuana which i really don't want to do to be honest.

Considering the cost of all this we may put the LANAP off for a couple months, waiting for the doctor to call us back today to discuss ramifications of waiting 3-6mo to get this other stuff done and save up some money. Then I started reading some articles and some people don't even think LANAP really works well or is any better than regular flap surgery periodontists do. Not sure if it's periodontists who don't use it down-talking the procedure or legitimate criticisms. I couldn't find any real studies or actual data about them. ADA gave kind of down the middle statement about it saying it looks promising but no real evidence yet that it does or doesn't work. So I'm not sure what to do. Do we pay thousands for this procedure that may not even be that effective nad probably wont save that tooth anyway? It supposedly will strengthen other teeth around it and in another spot, prevent future problems like this.

We've also both gotten much more serious about oral hygeine. Although my wife flosses, I just never have. So I started, also brushing more than just at night before bed. Going to pick up a couple of sonic care tooth brushes also.

So some decisions to make about the LANAP but other than that I think Mexico has gone pretty well. As stated earlier in the thread we don't really know anything yet. We'll see if everything stays where it is supposed to and is sealed like it should be in a few years or even more than that. Dental work isn't really something you can evaluate when you walk out of the office. I'm sure anyone can make stuff look and feel great when you walk out, it's how well it holds up that will matter. We'll see. We've got another couple weeks down hear until we start heading East. Going to Quartzsite this weekend for the giant RV show and Rock and Gem show.

 

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