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Just had a trade get vetoed on me (1 Viewer)
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
did you collude with the other owner? If so, than no.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
Yes. Most vetoes are BS in my opinion.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
If its league vote that vetoes a trade, then, No, you have no right to be annoyed. Don't join leagues that allow this.
If anything, you should be annoyed at yourself for joining this type of league in the first place.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
WHY should the league vote on trades?The league should have RULES that define allowable/not allowable trades. PERIODand PS - YOU don't let them vote...the league chooses to or not; shouldn't be the perrogative of the commissioner
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I tried this a while back. I found that teams vote on trades based on how they think it impacts their team, not on the innate fairness of the trade. Most trades were vetoed, because one team or the other was perceived to get better, and the rest of the league didn't want that to happen.League vote is the worst option in terms of regulating trades. A trustworthy commissioner with approval works well. Well defined rules spelling out what may be vetoed works better.
andrew11
Footballguy
Thanks for the tips. What would you suggest the rules state?
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Is it an MFL league? Can you see who voted which way? If so, I'd call out the Owners that vetoed and they best be having a great reason as to the veto (even though none seems plausible)...horse####!!!
andrew11
Footballguy
Here is a message sent to me from one of the people that voted against the trade..."Was nothing personal for me, I am all for trades, but a starting WR for a 2rd string RB, who will be back on the bench next week or two, did not seem like a fair trade, plus with the point diff on the season was very lop sided. Again it was nothing personal at all."
Black
Footballguy
If you are the commish, don't allow league vetos next year. Doesn't make ANY sense to allow the league to veto a trade.
TheChairman
Footballguy
Easier just to not allow any trading at all.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Either change your trade process and/or bounce this clown next season....very even trade. Ask that clown if he has a crystal ball? Addai has been oft-injured and took a shot to the head....who's to say Brown doesn't run with this chance and wind up starting 3-4 games if not more.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I opted for the trusted commissioner route. Trying to detail what constitutes a good or bad trade is a lot of effort and would require tweaking for several years as new situations come up.High level rules for trades:
1. No collusion.
2. No renting players -- kinda falls in with collusion, but a trade / trade back process will not be allowed.
3. If redraft, some semblance of balance should be in the trade. If a redraft trade looks very uneven, each owner may have to support their trade decision to the commissioner.
4. In Dynasty, almost nothing gets shot down. Too much variance in current value / future value and owners have different priorities on what they're trying to achieve.
As commissioner, I've used this approach. I look at the trade and each roster of the teams involved. If I can make a reasonable argument of how the trade improves that roster, regardless of my personal valuation of the players, the trade goes through. If I can't come up with a reasonable argument, I'll ask the owner to explain. If he can explain how he BELIEVES it improves his team, regardless of whether I agree or not, the trade goes through.
Allowing each owner to manage their roster as they see fit does a lot more for league integrity than a populist view of trade "fairness"
Road Warriors
Footballguy
And if the guy trading Knox as 3 other WR that start ahead of him, but has Addai missing time and waiver wire fodder as his startable RBs, this deal makes sense. Trade value has context.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
Trade committee / league vote pretty much tells you that the league does not believe that you can run your team and they need to keep everyone in line of how THEY feel is the way it should be done.
I've quit 2 leagues because they turned to a trade committee... If I pay 100 bones to be part of a league if I want to trade Larry Fitzgerald for a hamd sandwich with Grey Poupon... I should be able to.
Bottom line, if you have 12 good GM's who know what they are doing and they just want to win... any veto, trade committee, league vote is useless anyways.
I've quit 2 leagues because they turned to a trade committee... If I pay 100 bones to be part of a league if I want to trade Larry Fitzgerald for a hamd sandwich with Grey Poupon... I should be able to.
Bottom line, if you have 12 good GM's who know what they are doing and they just want to win... any veto, trade committee, league vote is useless anyways.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
What a tool.
fixed
In work league, I had a trade that benefited both of me and the other team. It was vetoed and since I knew everyone in the league, I asked them why the veto. Here are the BS responses:1. I veto all trades2. I don't care about the trade, I just voted when everyone else vetoed3. I don't believe in tradesBlah blah blah.I called them all out on it and had the trade submitted again. This time it went through with no vetoes. Suckas!
The Comedian
Footballguy
Really don't get why people play in leagues where trades can be vetoed complain when a trade they make gets vetoed.
Voting on trades is absurd, no league should have it, but if yours does, please don't complain when it happens. If you don't like it, do not play in that league.
Voting on trades is absurd, no league should have it, but if yours does, please don't complain when it happens. If you don't like it, do not play in that league.
Clifford
Footballguy
rule with an iron fist. It is better to be respected and feared than loved. Read The Prince.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Tyranny of the majority.
Flash
Footballguy
This
Flash
Footballguy
This too.
Flash
Footballguy
The guy who sent you that message is an idiot.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Ask the league to come up with a common standard, address it in the off season and move on for now. Don't waste another thought or feeling on it. It goes no where good.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
You're going to have to bribe a majority of the league to get the trade through. Although money can work wonders, I would start with sexual favors.
Pipes
Footballguy
Has he seen the Bears' offense lately? I'd rather have Brown than Knox.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I really appreciate the leagues I play in when I see some of the crap that goes on in other leagues. No offense but your league blows if there was enough veto votes to kill that trade. Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. BUT you are commissioner of this crappy league so you should have known this bull was possible. Next year , play in a league where other owners can't decide how you run your team.
Do you think all the other owners would have #####ed at the draft if you had picked Brown instead of Knox?
Do you think all the other owners would have #####ed at the draft if you had picked Brown instead of Knox?
tkrull
Footballguy
People suck. They don't deserve free will.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Never ever let the league vote on trades.
That is, unless, you want your league to have zero trading flexibility. In that case then knock yourself out and rock the vote.
Otherwise, assemble a 3-owner committee and only utilize the committee on questionable deals (or commish-involved trades). Otherwise, just handle the role as commissioner and approve/reject at your discretion.
That is, unless, you want your league to have zero trading flexibility. In that case then knock yourself out and rock the vote.
Otherwise, assemble a 3-owner committee and only utilize the committee on questionable deals (or commish-involved trades). Otherwise, just handle the role as commissioner and approve/reject at your discretion.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is all just 100% win.Used to commish a league that used the veto function on all trades(e.g. if 4 of the 12 owners voted "no" it went to a three owner trade committe for review.) Almost every flipping trade would get at least 3 negative votes, for no other reason than other owners, particularly those who were division foes of the teams trading, would be attempting to #### block moves. Whether they'd admit to it or not, which they rarely would, it was pretty obvious. Terrible option for regulating deals. It becomes 'gamesmanship', which is the last thing you want/need.That league is still around, but it got a major overhaul a while back on rules/scoring/etc. That was one of the first rules to get removed. Now it's pretty much just up to the commish to police clear collusion. Otherwise, there's no input from anyone who could have an outside agenda.
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
In one league there are votes on trades...I won that league the first two years in a row which led to them never letting any trades to my team go through (there is a 5 voter bloc that votes together every time). If that is not collusion I don't know what it. I quit trading and now just beat them through the waiver wire when I need a player.
In the other league there are no votes, but we do elect a rules commitee that judegs any multiplayer or unven player trades. They have never blocked a trade in 18 years - but they have let people know when they were probably getting ripped off.
In the other league there are no votes, but we do elect a rules commitee that judegs any multiplayer or unven player trades. They have never blocked a trade in 18 years - but they have let people know when they were probably getting ripped off.
Nate
Footballguy
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
"The real reason I vetoed this was because I don't want any team to improve themselves and have a better chance of beating me"
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
total crap
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