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[JAA]

Place holder for all the information on how to score this reception/fumble td pass touchdown.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Go ahead and add the B. Johnson/Taylor/McMullen play in there, too.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Wow

Buckhalter, for Philly, and then McMullen for Minny

Wild week in the making

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I think Buckhalter should get credit for the reception and all the yards.

 

[[scooter]]

McNabb: 1 completion for 20 yards

Brown: 1 reception for 20 yards

Buckhalter: 37 return yards, 1 return TD.

Johnson: 1 completion for 15 yards

Taylor: 1 reception for 15 yards

McMullen: 0 return yards, 1 return TD

The NFL counts these TDs simply as "return TDs", but most fantasy leagues will count them as "offensive fumble recovery TDs".

 

[grygrx]

The interesting/annoying things about the Buckhalter TD was that Brown didn't catch the ball. He was bobbling it when he got hit, and if it would have made it to the ground (as opposed to buckhalter's big mitts) it would have been an incomplete pass.

 

[Nemesis]

(on the Philly play)

How can you have a fumble when the ball never actually touched the ground and was barely in Reggie Brown's hands to begin with?

And what IF Reggie Brown DEFLECTED or TIPPED the ball and Buckhalter goes for the Touchdown? (would they then call it a TD pass reception by Buckhalter and credit McNabb with a Passing TD?)

I really hope they change this.

[and for the record.........I have both McNabb, C.Taylor AND Philly Def (but I know they won't credit them for the fumble TD)]

 

[Nemesis]

I just was looking at the NFL.com Gamecenter page.......in the upper left hand corner of the page there is this:

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[[scooter]]

(on the Philly play)How can you have a fumble when the ball never actually touched the ground and was barely in Reggie Brown's hands to begin with?And what IF Reggie Brown DEFLECTED or TIPPED the ball and Buckhalter goes for the Touchdown? (would they then call it a TD pass reception by Buckhalter and credit McNabb with a Passing TD?)I really hope they change this.

I did not see the play, but if the ball never touched the ground, and Brown never had control, then I could see Buckhalter getting credit for the reception AND all of the yardage.Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

 

[[scooter]]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

I didn't see the play, but if Brown was bobbling the catch when Buckhalter grabbed it, then he never had possession to begin with.

 

[dwampler]

It looked like Reggie Brown intentionally lateraled to Buckhalter, who ran for the TD.

Sportsline ruled this a fumble by Brown, with no credit given to McNabb for the TD pass.

Sad because I started both Brown and McNabb.

 

[Elway Lives]

The interesting/annoying things about the Buckhalter TD was that Brown didn't catch the ball. He was bobbling it when he got hit, and if it would have made it to the ground (as opposed to buckhalter's big mitts) it would have been an incomplete pass.

Yeah I noticed that too, but they didn't really show a whole lot of replays on it. Maybe they will correct it later and give Buckhalter and McNabb the TD's on the "deflection" rather than the fumble.

 

[Jim Otto]

 

[Nemesis]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:37 PM' post='5894253']

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

I didn't see the play, but if Brown was bobbling the catch when Buckhalter grabbed it, then he never had possession to begin with.

When I first saw it live in real time speed, I actually thought it was a planned hook and ladder (or lateral, for some of you) because it happened so fast. I don't recall whether it was bobbled out of Brown's hands or knocked from behind, but either way Brown barely had time to "possess" it.Can someone describe the Minn play?

 

[Limp Ditka]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:37 PM' post='5894253']

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

I didn't see the play, but if Brown was bobbling the catch when Buckhalter grabbed it, then he never had possession to begin with.

When I first saw it live in real time speed, I actually thought it was a planned hook and ladder (or lateral, for some of you) because it happened so fast. I don't recall whether it was bobbled out of Brown's hands or knocked from behind, but either way Brown barely had time to "possess" it.Can someone describe the Minn play?

C Taylor reaches for the EZ and gets hit, ball comes loose and recovered by McMullen for a TD

 

[Hellfire Snail]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:37 PM' post='5894253']

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

I didn't see the play, but if Brown was bobbling the catch when Buckhalter grabbed it, then he never had possession to begin with.

When I first saw it live in real time speed, I actually thought it was a planned hook and ladder (or lateral, for some of you) because it happened so fast. I don't recall whether it was bobbled out of Brown's hands or knocked from behind, but either way Brown barely had time to "possess" it.Can someone describe the Minn play?

C Taylor reaches for the EZ and gets hit, ball comes loose and recovered by McMullen for a TD

If you had the Minnesota defense, would this count as a td for them, as it is a "return td"? It seems silly, but that is how it is being scored in the AOL Live Scoring as of right now.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

They just showed the replay.

He catches it, gets 2 feet down. Shakes his shoulders a bit juke like and throws the ball up to Buckhalter.

 

[j3r3m3y]

(on the Philly play)How can you have a fumble when the ball never actually touched the ground and was barely in Reggie Brown's hands to begin with?

A fumble does not have to touch the ground top be a fumble, if he had possesion then it pops out it is a fumble.

 

[Limp Ditka]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:37 PM' post='5894253']

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

I didn't see the play, but if Brown was bobbling the catch when Buckhalter grabbed it, then he never had possession to begin with.

When I first saw it live in real time speed, I actually thought it was a planned hook and ladder (or lateral, for some of you) because it happened so fast. I don't recall whether it was bobbled out of Brown's hands or knocked from behind, but either way Brown barely had time to "possess" it.Can someone describe the Minn play?

C Taylor reaches for the EZ and gets hit, ball comes loose and recovered by McMullen for a TD

If you had the Minnesota defense, would this count as a td for them, as it is a "return td"? It seems silly, but that is how it is being scored in the AOL Live Scoring as of right now.

There was never a change of possesion. Its not a D/ST TD.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:37 PM' post='5894253']

' date='Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM' post='5894208'] Think about it: if a Washington player had grabbed it out of Brown's hands, would it have been ruled as a fumble recovery or an interception?

If Brown had possession and a Washington player rips it free, it's a fumble.

I didn't see the play, but if Brown was bobbling the catch when Buckhalter grabbed it, then he never had possession to begin with.

When I first saw it live in real time speed, I actually thought it was a planned hook and ladder (or lateral, for some of you) because it happened so fast. I don't recall whether it was bobbled out of Brown's hands or knocked from behind, but either way Brown barely had time to "possess" it.Can someone describe the Minn play?

C Taylor reaches for the EZ and gets hit, ball comes loose and recovered by McMullen for a TD

If you had the Minnesota defense, would this count as a td for them, as it is a "return td"? It seems silly, but that is how it is being scored in the AOL Live Scoring as of right now.

There was never a change of possesion. Its not a D/ST TD.

Good point.

 

[dwampler]

(on the Philly play)How can you have a fumble when the ball never actually touched the ground and was barely in Reggie Brown's hands to begin with?

A fumble does not have to touch the ground top be a fumble, if he had possesion then it pops out it is a fumble.

A fumble by definition is an unintentional act. Brown intentionally made the pitch, so it cannot be a fumble. I'd rule it a TD from McNabb to Buckhalter for the entire play. It seems to reward the 2 players who made this play happen most, McNabb for starting the play, and Buckhalter for finishing it.

 

[Nemesis]

They just showed the replay.He catches it, gets 2 feet down. Shakes his shoulders a bit juke like and throws the ball up to Buckhalter.

I just watched it again too.Brown does a down & out near the right sideline.McNabb throws him the ball and Brown is coming back on the ball Looks like Brown does have possession (very briefly though)Tries to juke the defender (who is BEHIND him)Defender sticks his hand under Brown's arm's and knocks the ball up into the air.Buckhalter who is trailing on the play catches the ball in stride and goes all the way for the TD.

 

[ratdog]

it onlymatters how the ref ruled it.

they will not change the ruling on the field.

play stands

scoring stands

unless they got the ruling on the play wrong it will stand

 

[[scooter]]

(on the Philly play)

How can you have a fumble when the ball never actually touched the ground and was barely in Reggie Brown's hands to begin with?

A fumble does not have to touch the ground top be a fumble, if he had possesion then it pops out it is a fumble.

A fumble by definition is an unintentional act. Brown intentionally made the pitch, so it cannot be a fumble. I'd rule it a TD from McNabb to Buckhalter for the entire play. It seems to reward the 2 players who made this play happen most, McNabb for starting the play, and Buckhalter for finishing it.

I don't think you can have both. IF Brown made a pitch, then by definition he gets credit for the reception and the initial yardage. McNabb and Buckhalter would still get credit for the TD, but Buckhalter would not get a reception (and he'd have 37 receiving yards instead of 57 yards).

 

[[scooter]]

it onlymatters how the ref ruled it.they will not change the ruling on the field.play standsscoring stands

Sorry, but you are misinformed. The NFL makes changes all the time (such as changing a lateral to a pass, or a fumble to an interception, etc.). This play will be reviewed and the NFL (or Elias or whoever's in charge) will make a ruling by the end of the week.

 

[dwampler]

it onlymatters how the ref ruled it.they will not change the ruling on the field.play standsscoring standsunless they got the ruling on the play wrong it will stand

There was no ruling on the field. The refs are only concerned with whether it was a legal play, which it was. Other than that, the NFL will tinker with plays like this that affect statistics later today.

 

[middleweightcontender]

I've seen the replay a couple times and I do not think it was intentional at all.

 

[fatness king]

I'm playing against McNabb, but I have to admit it should be some sort of receiving TD. The problem I have is the ball never hit the ground.

Speaking of which, how would a "normal" hook-n-ladder be scored?

 

[[scooter]]

I'm playing against McNabb, but I have to admit it should be some sort of receiving TD. The problem I have is the ball never hit the ground.Speaking of which, how would a "normal" hook-n-ladder be scored?

QB: 1 pass completion; 1 passing TD for X+Y yardsReceiver 1: 1 pass reception for X yardsReceiver 2: 0 pass receptions; 1 receiving TD for Y yards

 

[Ditka is God]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 06:38 PM' post='5895722']

I'm playing against McNabb, but I have to admit it should be some sort of receiving TD. The problem I have is the ball never hit the ground.Speaking of which, how would a "normal" hook-n-ladder be scored?

QB: 1 pass completion; 1 passing TD for X+Y yardsReceiver 1: 1 pass reception for X yardsReceiver 2: 0 pass receptions; 1 receiving TD for Y yards

A few years back Randy Moss caught a pass from C-Pep down near the 10 yardline and pitched to Moe Williams as he was about to get tackled. Moe took it in for a TD. I'm 99% sure they scored it exactly like Scooter described (I had Moe Williams at the time).

 

[Elway Lives]

it onlymatters how the ref ruled it.they will not change the ruling on the field.play standsscoring standsunless they got the ruling on the play wrong it will stand

So basically, you are saying that it will stand, unless it doesn't?

 

[[scooter]]

Looks like we have another one, and it's tricky:

(8:09) D.McAllister Aborted. J.Faine FUMBLES at PIT 4, recovered by NO-D.McAllister at PIT 4. D.McAllister for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Faine is the center, so does this mean that he snapped the ball directly to Deuce? This one's going to end up counting as an Offensive Fumble Recovery TD, I think.

 

[blueandsilver]

' date='Nov 12 2006, 07:18 PM' post='5895928']

Looks like we have another one, and it's tricky:

(8:09) D.McAllister Aborted. J.Faine FUMBLES at PIT 4, recovered by NO-D.McAllister at PIT 4. D.McAllister for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Faine is the center, so does this mean that he snapped the ball directly to Deuce? This one's going to end up counting as an Offensive Fumble Recovery TD, I think.

It looked like from watching the game live that Faine was going to directly snap it to Deuce. The snap, however never got off the ground and rolled directly back to Deuce who picked it up and ran it into the end zone for a 4 yd Fumble Recovery TD.Then in the Sunday night game there was the 108 yd missed FG return for a TD by Devin Hester.

Wow, what a bunch of crazy plays today!!!

 

[grygrx]

The interesting/annoying things about the Buckhalter TD was that Brown didn't catch the ball. He was bobbling it when he got hit, and if it would have made it to the ground (as opposed to buckhalter's big mitts) it would have been an incomplete pass.

Horn toot!