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From an NFL.com piece written by Ron Borges Link

This year's No. 1 pick, running back Darren McFadden, should help out some however. He replaces demoted Justin Fargas, who remarkably rushed for over 1,000 yards behind the Raiders struggling offensive line. McFadden is a home run hitter, a back who has the size to be powerful and the breakaway speed to turn a short gain into a long one. Scouts feel he may have some issues, including running too high and thus being prone to injury. One thing is sure; he's a threat they didn't have before.

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espn's bill williamson wrote an article about mcfadden being too talented to not start and that the coaching staff feels the same way. Sorry no link on this, I should have bookmarked it when i originally read it.

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Here is just an opinion piece that I enjoyed and thought I'd pass on in this thread

Scouts Inc.: McFadden is the best choice to start in Oakland

August 27, 2008 2:22 PM

Posted by Scouts Inc.'s Doug Kretz

It is looking more and more like rookie RB Darren McFadden is going to carry the load for the Raiders this season, as he has more carries and yards, and better average, than fellow RBs Justin Fargas and Michael Bush this preseason.

The Raiders had the No. 6 overall running game last season and Fargas had 1,009 yards, four touchdowns and averaged 4.5 yards per carry, but despite that performance McFadden has shown the Raiders' coaching staff he is simply too talented to come off the bench.

McFadden has the ability to see the entire field and hit the hole or improvise and find space on his own. To be a No. 1 running back in the NFL you must be innovative because most plays do not develop exactly as they are drawn up, and McFadden has shown a higher level of improvisation than either Fargas or Bush.

Fargas is a big back with rare acceleration through the hole and an exceptional burst once he gains a step. He is also a decent receiver out of the backfield and can be dangerous in the open field. However, he is pretty much a one-cut-and-go runner. Bush, on the other hand, is a power back who produces in short-yardage situations.

The Raiders will be able to open up the playbook with McFadden carrying the load because of his versatility. He can run sweeps because of his speed and vision or he can run off-tackle plays due to his awareness and cut-back skills. Plus, he fits well in Oakland's zone-blocking scheme, which allows the defense to dictate where the hole will be to run through. The ball carrier knows the hole will show up somewhere between the guard and outside the tackle, so all he has to do is read it and hit it as soon as it opens. McFadden is better at doing this than Fargas or Bush.

He also has the health advantage in his favor as both Bush and Fargas have struggled to stay on the field for a full season, both in college and the NFL. McFadden was durable in college and the other two have simply not proven they can endure the week-to-week pounding a No. 1 back takes in the NFL.

Finally, while running backs can develop their skills to a point, at this level the majority of what it takes to be a starting running back in the NFL is God-given talent. McFadden already has a higher all-around skill level than either of his competitors and gives the Raiders their best shot at moving the chains on a consistent basis.

The biggest negative to starting a rookie at running back is his ability to produce in the passing game, especially when he is asked to block and pick up blitzes. The Raiders would rather have their backs out in routes, though, and while McFadden is not yet a great route-runner neither is Fargas or Bush, and McFadden does show good hands in the flats and downfield.

The Raiders simply have their best shot at a strong overall running game this season with McFadden getting the bulk of the carries, Fargas being used as a change-of-pace back and Bush providing short-yardage power.

Scouts Inc. watches games, breaks down film and studies football from all angles for ESPN.com.

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From an NFL.com piece written by Ron Borges Link

This year's No. 1 pick, running back Darren McFadden, should help out some however. He replaces demoted Justin Fargas, who remarkably rushed for over 1,000 yards behind the Raiders struggling offensive line. McFadden is a home run hitter, a back who has the size to be powerful and the breakaway speed to turn a short gain into a long one. Scouts feel he may have some issues, including running too high and thus being prone to injury. One thing is sure; he's a threat they didn't have before.

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espn's bill williamson wrote an article about mcfadden being too talented to not start and that the coaching staff feels the same way. Sorry no link on this, I should have bookmarked it when i originally read it.

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Here is just an opinion piece that I enjoyed and thought I'd pass on in this thread

Scouts Inc.: McFadden is the best choice to start in Oakland

August 27, 2008 2:22 PM

Posted by Scouts Inc.'s Doug Kretz

It is looking more and more like rookie RB Darren McFadden is going to carry the load for the Raiders this season, as he has more carries and yards, and better average, than fellow RBs Justin Fargas and Michael Bush this preseason.

The Raiders had the No. 6 overall running game last season and Fargas had 1,009 yards, four touchdowns and averaged 4.5 yards per carry, but despite that performance McFadden has shown the Raiders' coaching staff he is simply too talented to come off the bench.

McFadden has the ability to see the entire field and hit the hole or improvise and find space on his own. To be a No. 1 running back in the NFL you must be innovative because most plays do not develop exactly as they are drawn up, and McFadden has shown a higher level of improvisation than either Fargas or Bush.

Fargas is a big back with rare acceleration through the hole and an exceptional burst once he gains a step. He is also a decent receiver out of the backfield and can be dangerous in the open field. However, he is pretty much a one-cut-and-go runner. Bush, on the other hand, is a power back who produces in short-yardage situations.

The Raiders will be able to open up the playbook with McFadden carrying the load because of his versatility. He can run sweeps because of his speed and vision or he can run off-tackle plays due to his awareness and cut-back skills. Plus, he fits well in Oakland's zone-blocking scheme, which allows the defense to dictate where the hole will be to run through. The ball carrier knows the hole will show up somewhere between the guard and outside the tackle, so all he has to do is read it and hit it as soon as it opens. McFadden is better at doing this than Fargas or Bush.

He also has the health advantage in his favor as both Bush and Fargas have struggled to stay on the field for a full season, both in college and the NFL. McFadden was durable in college and the other two have simply not proven they can endure the week-to-week pounding a No. 1 back takes in the NFL.

Finally, while running backs can develop their skills to a point, at this level the majority of what it takes to be a starting running back in the NFL is God-given talent. McFadden already has a higher all-around skill level than either of his competitors and gives the Raiders their best shot at moving the chains on a consistent basis.

The biggest negative to starting a rookie at running back is his ability to produce in the passing game, especially when he is asked to block and pick up blitzes. The Raiders would rather have their backs out in routes, though, and while McFadden is not yet a great route-runner neither is Fargas or Bush, and McFadden does show good hands in the flats and downfield.

The Raiders simply have their best shot at a strong overall running game this season with McFadden getting the bulk of the carries, Fargas being used as a change-of-pace back and Bush providing short-yardage power.

Scouts Inc. watches games, breaks down film and studies football from all angles for ESPN.com.

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I believe this is an opinion rathr than a depth chart change; but interesting to McFadden owners, both will get carries anyway.
 
Also read recently that Bush has been seeing reps at fullback, which suggests he won't be stealing more than 40 or so carries from the RBs. I thought all through the preseason the despite looking a little tentative at times, McFadden looked worlds better than both Bush and Fargas. It will not surprise me in the least when he starts week 1. What I am wondering is whether we could be looking at 250+ carries for him. If I am guessing right on his ypc (4.3) that's over 1,000 on the ground and possibly a good deal more through the air.

 
Also read recently that Bush has been seeing reps at fullback, which suggests he won't be stealing more than 40 or so carries from the RBs.
Bush Not Moving to FullbackBy Michael WagamanSenior WriterPosted Aug 26, 2008 Contrary to several reports the Raiders have no intention of trying to convert Michael Bush to a full-time fullback. That point was made Tuesday by head coach Lane Kiffin, who emphatically shot down any notion of Bush switching positions.“Michael Bush is a tailback here,” Kiffin said following a two-hour practice. “We’re going to look at some things in some certain personnels to utilize him because he catches the ball so well and he is a bigger tailback. But don’t mistake that. Michael Bush isn’t here to be a fullback. Michael Bush has a chance to be a spectacular tailback in this league and that’s what he’s here to play.”
 
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.

I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.

 
Pass protection will keep Fargas in the lineup for the short term I would suspect. Don't want to get your franchise QB killed too early in the year. :shrug:

 
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Not as much as you think. Huggy Bear Jr is a beast (disclaimer: michigan alum so I love the guy), but he to is oft injured. However, he showed last year what he is capable of. I think the C taylor comparisons are good, because both the CT/JF could both be solid RB1 backs, if the phenom in front goes down (more so with CT, but JF just a peg lower, maybe great RB2, not solid rb1).
 
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Not as much as you think. Huggy Bear Jr is a beast (disclaimer: michigan alum so I love the guy), but he to is oft injured. However, he showed last year what he is capable of. I think the C taylor comparisons are good, because both the CT/JF could both be solid RB1 backs, if the phenom in front goes down (more so with CT, but JF just a peg lower, maybe great RB2, not solid rb1).
Why would a Michigan alum be a fan of a guy who left the Wolverines to play for a better team?
 
He better break off more than a few long scores if he is going to reach the value of where he is being drafted. Kiffin has demonstrated a willingness to use a goal line back. Between Bush at 245lbs and Jamarcus at 2?? I don't see McFadden getting any goal line love.

 
I get all the Oakland preseason games here live. I have watched close trying to sort this all out. ''some notes on what I have noticed"

McFadden is not a short yardage back. He dances around too much.

Bush easily looks like the best short yardage back of the 3.

Fargas is still the starter. But McFadden will get the most plays.

They will often rotate.

It's only pre season but McFadden does make rookie mistakes.

From what I can tell it looks like same situation A/P had in Minny last year.

Except Bush could well be getting the goal line carries knocking them both

down some in fantasy points a game if Oakland ever gets to goal line that is.

McFadden is noticeably fast compared to the other 2. But he really hasn;t broke into the open field yet.... often a cheap ankle pic tackle away from breaking one.

Oakland doesn't have much a passing game. They sustain drives a lot better just pounding the ball on the ground.

Miller is very noticeably Russels most dependable target.

3rd preseason game Oakland did come out passing and scored 0 for the night.

Walker did finally seperate and catch some balls 3rd game!

Still waiting for a Curry sighting.

I don't know what to say. It;s gonna be tuff sorting out this mess in Oakland but

it's only pre season so they might just get it together at some point?

Miller looks like best bet for fantasy dependable use at this point of time!

 
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.

I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Just one man's opinion, but I watched each of the Raiders preseason games... McFadden runs very hard, and has great speed (duh). But, when he's hitting the hole between the tackles, he runs as straight up as anyone I've seen in a long time. This style, combined with his hard and fast running, I think equal a lower leg/ankle/knee injury in his future. Soon. (Unfortunately for me as a Raiders fan).Fargas looked ho hum. That was the same impression I had of him last year. Great speed running through huge holes created by the O-Line. Combine that with his injury history and I'm staying away.

As to Bush, when the Raiders took him in the draft, I was expecting the 2nd coming of Eric Shelton. Completely wrote him off in my mind. But, this preseason really impressed me. He is big, but shifty as well as powerful and fast. He gets low and falls forward while getting tackled, allowing him to get those extra couple of big yards at the end of each play. I was very impressed. I'm grabbing him as a late round RB to stash away. I think he'll have huge value if (when?) the other two go down.

 
Chaka said:
He better break off more than a few long scores if he is going to reach the value of where he is being drafted. Kiffin has demonstrated a willingness to use a goal line back. Between Bush at 245lbs and Jamarcus at 2?? I don't see McFadden getting any goal line love.
Bigger doesnt always mean better in short yardage situations.
 
Chaka said:
He better break off more than a few long scores if he is going to reach the value of where he is being drafted. Kiffin has demonstrated a willingness to use a goal line back. Between Bush at 245lbs and Jamarcus at 2?? I don't see McFadden getting any goal line love.
Bigger doesnt always mean better in short yardage situations.
See: T.J. DuckettDude is terrible at the goalline.
 
Chaka said:
He better break off more than a few long scores if he is going to reach the value of where he is being drafted. Kiffin has demonstrated a willingness to use a goal line back. Between Bush at 245lbs and Jamarcus at 2?? I don't see McFadden getting any goal line love.
Bigger doesnt always mean better in short yardage situations.
See: T.J. DuckettDude is terrible at the goalline.
See also: Najeh Davenport
 
Hipple said:
Judge Smails said:
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.

I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Not as much as you think. Huggy Bear Jr is a beast (disclaimer: michigan alum so I love the guy), but he to is oft injured. However, he showed last year what he is capable of. I think the C taylor comparisons are good, because both the CT/JF could both be solid RB1 backs, if the phenom in front goes down (more so with CT, but JF just a peg lower, maybe great RB2, not solid rb1).
Curious...what is the connection between Fargas and Michigan? I thought he was a SoCal guy?
 
Hipple said:
Judge Smails said:
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.

I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Not as much as you think. Huggy Bear Jr is a beast (disclaimer: michigan alum so I love the guy), but he to is oft injured. However, he showed last year what he is capable of. I think the C taylor comparisons are good, because both the CT/JF could both be solid RB1 backs, if the phenom in front goes down (more so with CT, but JF just a peg lower, maybe great RB2, not solid rb1).
Curious...what is the connection between Fargas and Michigan? I thought he was a SoCal guy?
Big time recruit out of high school. Went to Michigan. Messed up his leg real bad. Transferred to SC.Somewhere in there I think UM wanted to move him to safety, which didn't jive with Huggy.

 
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I'll say this about McFadden: we should know by the end of this season how good he is. If he's even half as good as his draft hype, Michael Bush and Justin Fargas won't keep him off the field. He has every opportunity to step up and rush for 1,200+ yards immediately. The big question is whether or not he can rise to the occasion.

 
I'll say this about McFadden: we should know by the end of this season how good he is. If he's even half as good as his draft hype, Michael Bush and Justin Fargas won't keep him off the field. He has every opportunity to step up and rush for 1,200+ yards immediately. The big question is whether or not he can rise to the occasion overcome his low BMI.
FixedSorry, i tried, but i couldnt stop myself. :goodposting:

 
My wife and I were watching the new-school Starksy & Hutch movie last night on TBS or something. My wife's look was priceless when I was trying to explain that Snoop's character in S&H is "Huggy Bear" who was the real-life father of Justin Fargas who is on my brother's FF team.

 
Buckeyedawgs said:
I get all the Oakland preseason games here live. I have watched close trying to sort this all out. ''some notes on what I have noticed"McFadden is not a short yardage back. He dances around too much. Bush easily looks like the best short yardage back of the 3. Fargas is still the starter. But McFadden will get the most plays.They will often rotate. It's only pre season but McFadden does make rookie mistakes. From what I can tell it looks like same situation A/P had in Minny last year. Except Bush could well be getting the goal line carries knocking them both down some in fantasy points a game if Oakland ever gets to goal line that is. McFadden is noticeably fast compared to the other 2. But he really hasn;t broke into the open field yet.... often a cheap ankle pic tackle away from breaking one. Oakland doesn't have much a passing game. They sustain drives a lot better just pounding the ball on the ground. Miller is very noticeably Russels most dependable target. 3rd preseason game Oakland did come out passing and scored 0 for the night.Walker did finally seperate and catch some balls 3rd game! Still waiting for a Curry sighting. I don't know what to say. It;s gonna be tuff sorting out this mess in Oakland butit's only pre season so they might just get it together at some point? Miller looks like best bet for fantasy dependable use at this point of time!
I agree with most of what you said except for the DMC dancing part. I see the exact opposite actually. He's making one cut and running downhill almost to a fault at times. I've been impressed with every part of his game except that I've seen him run into the backs of blockers a bit too often... almost as if the coaches have been telling him not to dance under any circumstance.IMO this preseason has shown very little of Kiff's actual intentions for the offense. First two games he ran the ball almost exclusively. The last game he passed it over and over to see what he had there. I think he's kept it uber vanilla and we'll see much more creativity and balance once the season begins. I'm not talking a 50/50 split as they will be first and foremost a running team but not the 80/20 we've seen in preseason.One last note about DMC... He looks MUCH bigger in NFL pads than I thought he would look. I was expecting a skinny guy a la Norwood but DMC is much thicker in the core and shoulders. He runs with a lot more power than all his detractors on this board will have you believe. Low BMI or not, this kid runs hard and has elite talent written all over him.
 
I'll say this about McFadden: we should know by the end of this season how good he is. If he's even half as good as his draft hype, Michael Bush and Justin Fargas won't keep him off the field. He has every opportunity to step up and rush for 1,200+ yards immediately. The big question is whether or not he can rise to the occasion.
I think in Oakland it's fair to say he should get 4.2 a carry.At the NFL level that would be "rising to the occasion" and earning his keep.He should maintain that, with his talent, regardless of Russell or anything else.At 4.2 he would need to get 286 carries. Thats a tall order this year with Fargas and Bush around.Maintaining a nice yp-carry and yp-reception is whats needed for him. That, and being effective at all phases.
 
I'll say this about McFadden: we should know by the end of this season how good he is. If he's even half as good as his draft hype, Michael Bush and Justin Fargas won't keep him off the field. He has every opportunity to step up and rush for 1,200+ yards immediately. The big question is whether or not he can rise to the occasion.
I think in Oakland it's fair to say he should get 4.2 a carry.At the NFL level that would be "rising to the occasion" and earning his keep.He should maintain that, with his talent, regardless of Russell or anything else.At 4.2 he would need to get 286 carries. Thats a tall order this year with Fargas and Bush around.Maintaining a nice yp-carry and yp-reception is whats needed for him. That, and being effective at all phases.
260 carries at 4.4 seems about right.
 
I agree with most of what you said except for the DMC dancing part. I see the exact opposite actually. He's making one cut and running downhill almost to a fault at times. I've been impressed with every part of his game except that I've seen him run into the backs of blockers a bit too often... almost as if the coaches have been telling him not to dance under any circumstance.
This is no different than his career at Arkansas. Patience is not in McFadden's vocabulary. Fargas had the same problem until last year, so maybe the coaching staff can fix it. If McFadden ever does develop the ability to let holes develop and really see and process what is going on before he takes off, then he could be special, but I haven't seen it yet.
 
don't sleep on my boy Michael Bush fellas. I'm telling you, if he's healthy, it's going to be VERY HARD to keep him off the field.

Now I know McFadden is a playmaker, but I see Bush as a quicker Jamal Lewis in the backfield that can catch the ball. He's really a freak. The injury sorely and SOLELY cost him his opportunity.

 
don't sleep on my boy Michael Bush fellas. I'm telling you, if he's healthy, it's going to be VERY HARD to keep him off the field. Now I know McFadden is a playmaker, but I see Bush as a quicker Jamal Lewis in the backfield that can catch the ball. He's really a freak. The injury sorely and SOLELY cost him his opportunity.
:lmao:Michael Bush is a beast. He's 245lbs with great burst and he instinctively keeps his pad level low. He has got nothing but praise from the coaches and he has run strong in the preseason. He will get a long look as the goal line & short yardage specialist. If he fails (and I believe he will excel) Oakland still has a 6'3" 260lb QB who might factor big in those situations. McFadden will get some cracks at it but both Bush and Russell must fail for him to have a big year.
 
Argh, I just traded McFadden and Rivers for James Stewart and Garrard.
I really like Stewart but I have DMC a notch above. That said I hate Pip Rivers so that trade doesn't seem awful.For all we know Stewart could end up the stud out of the two of them. It's all speculation at this point.One thing I will say tho is that for all the talk of DMC being skinny and thus unable to handle an NFL load, it was high BMI Jon Stewart who always seemed nicked up in college while the only injury I can recall for DMC during his college tenure came off the field when he broke his toe in a fight.
 
For all we know Stewart could end up the stud out of the two of them.
:thumbup:
One thing I will say tho is that for all the talk of DMC being skinny and thus unable to handle an NFL load, it was high BMI Jon Stewart who always seemed nicked up in college while the only injury I can recall for DMC during his college tenure came off the field when he broke his toe in a fight.
Durability is a tricky thing. Sometimes the guys who look like horses in college get banged up in the NFL. Brian Calhoun had 348 carries in his final season at Wisconsin. He's been constantly hurt in the NFL. On the flipside, Frank Gore has been the picture of durability at the pro level despite shredding his ACL twice in college. I'm not sure if a player's college durability says a lot about his NFL durability. It would be worth looking into. One thing I know for sure is that the NFL is a different style of football. On average, the players are significantly bigger, faster, and stronger than even the best NCAA conferences. This probably means that some guys who were vulnerable to injuries in college might actually be safer and vice versa (the fact that the playing style in the NFL is different means the ideal player is also different). As for DMC, I think the size worries are as much about effectiveness as they are durability. I just don't see a thin guy with marginal leg drive breaking tackles and running hard in the NFL. There are some great backs who have elite speed, but the typical NFL starter is more of a pounder than a speed back. Even most of the "elusive" type backs are built stout with surprising leg drive (Barry Sanders, LT, Dunn, Westbrook, Faulk). McFadden is an interesting bird because he's a great athlete and prolific football player, but in a lot of ways he's the opposite of what you look for in an NFL back. Whether he succeeds or not, it will be interesting to follow his career.
 
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I'm not sure if a player's college durability says a lot about his NFL durability.
Maybe it doesnt say alot, but it certainly says something.Lots of variables make up the final outcome at the pro level, but you should never underestimate the durability facts of college. If Stewart can be like SJackson and APeterson, youll take all the nicks, tweeks and DNPs along the way.
 
Chaka said:
Hipple said:
Judge Smails said:
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Not as much as you think. Huggy Bear Jr is a beast (disclaimer: michigan alum so I love the guy), but he to is oft injured. However, he showed last year what he is capable of. I think the C taylor comparisons are good, because both the CT/JF could both be solid RB1 backs, if the phenom in front goes down (more so with CT, but JF just a peg lower, maybe great RB2, not solid rb1).
Why would a Michigan alum be a fan of a guy who left the Wolverines to play for a better team?
He played hard his first few years, got injured and needed a change of scenery? He helped us win games, bowls even. He'll always be a wolverine in my book.
 
Chaka said:
Hipple said:
Judge Smails said:
McFadden and Fargas are worlds apart on talent. Fargas' success last year speaks to the system, not the talent. Like Huggy Boy Jr., but facts is facts.I'm not so sure about Bush. He's the only real threat I see. I haven't seen him this preseason live yet. I see McF #1, Bush #2, and Fargas getting phased out or just providing breathers. The real question is goal line. Will McFadden be a yardage monster but get no love unless he takes 50 yarders to the house? If Bush is going to get every 1 yard plunge a la Crockett, then McFadden won't be on my team. He will go to high.
Not as much as you think. Huggy Bear Jr is a beast (disclaimer: michigan alum so I love the guy), but he to is oft injured. However, he showed last year what he is capable of. I think the C taylor comparisons are good, because both the CT/JF could both be solid RB1 backs, if the phenom in front goes down (more so with CT, but JF just a peg lower, maybe great RB2, not solid rb1).
Why would a Michigan alum be a fan of a guy who left the Wolverines to play for a better team?
He played hard his first few years, got injured and needed a change of scenery? He helped us win games, bowls even. He'll always be a wolverine in my book.
I remember fondly that Northwestern game in a monsoon, where Fargas singlehandedly won the game by apparently being the only one on the field who could keep his footing in the muddy conditions.No hard feelings about him leaving. IIRC, he broke his leg and Michigan had a ton of talented guys in front of him, he got frustrated and homesick and returned to CA. I've been rooting for him ever since he left USC.
 

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