Justin Miller (1 Viewer)

[fredsmootinpurple]

So, I'm in a league that rewards 2 points per solo tackle, 0.5 points per assist, 3 points per interception...and...1 point for every 20 return yards.

Is it just me or is Justin Miller a top 10 DB with this setup if he gets to start? So, any thoughts on whether or not he starts?

 

[Ozymandias]

If he starts, and if he continues to be the Jets PR and KR, then he would be huge.

But it's not settled yet that he will be the replacement for Law, and it is not a given that he will be the PR and KR if he is.

FBG's have him listed as the #84 DB, based on defensive stats alone.

 

[Rovers]

Miller's difficulties catching punts reached epic proportions early last year and he lost the job about 2 fumbles too late. I seriously doubt he will be trusted to catch punts in traffic this year. He may well keep the KR duites though. I also suspect he will be one of the starting CB's, with Dyson on the other side, and Barrett going to nickel. That is very subject to change however. I think the new scheme (as opposed to last year's cover 2) makes Miller's speed and man coverage abilities too valuable to lose the starting job to either Dyson or Barrett.

 

[RAPTURE]

First of all, Justin Miller will NOT lose his KR job due to the fact he was #3 in avg. & #1 in total KR yardage. The Jets offense is ugly, which means they need all the help they can get on kickoffs - that is where Justin Miller comes in at.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/KRET/2005/regular

Secondly, J. Miller was drafted in the beginning of the 2nd round in 05 and will have no competition as being a starter. I read something last year where the Jets did not want J. Miller sitting beside Ty Law during team meetings because Law was a bad influence and did not want to corrupt J. Miller in any way. As we have all seen, the Jets have had no interest in resigning Law.

I have been the biggest advocate of J. Miller and you will see the second-coming of T. McGee. Trust me on this one!

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[Finatic]

First of all, Justin Miller will NOT lose his KR job due to the fact he was #3 in avg. & #1 in total KR yardage. The Jets offense is ugly, which means they need all the help they can get on kickoffs - that is where Justin Miller comes in at.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/KRET/2005/regular

Secondly, J. Miller was drafted in the beginning of the 2nd round in 05 and will have no competition as being a starter. I read something last year where the Jets did not want J. Miller sitting beside Ty Law during team meetings because Law was a bad influence and did not want to corrupt J. Miller in any way. As we have all seen, the Jets have had no interest in resigning Law.

I have been the biggest advocate of J. Miller and you will see the second-coming of T. McGee. Trust me on this one!

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I'd love to see this happen

 

[Rovers]

First of all, Justin Miller will NOT lose his KR job due to the fact he was #3 in avg. & #1 in total KR yardage. The Jets offense is ugly, which means they need all the help they can get on kickoffs - that is where Justin Miller comes in at.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/KRET/2005/regular

Secondly, J. Miller was drafted in the beginning of the 2nd round in 05 and will have no competition as being a starter. I read something last year where the Jets did not want J. Miller sitting beside Ty Law during team meetings because Law was a bad influence and did not want to corrupt J. Miller in any way. As we have all seen, the Jets have had no interest in resigning Law.

I have been the biggest advocate of J. Miller and you will see the second-coming of T. McGee. Trust me on this one!

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Relax! Holy moly! I SAID he would keep his KR duty! Law was a cancer.... that was one of the reasons they let him have Mondays off. Keepong him out of meetings was preferable to having him there. Dwight will most likely do the PR's though.... Miller just doesn't have the hands for it, unless he shows vast improvement in that area. I also strongly suspect he will be a starting CB, but that can NOT be said with any certainty with a whole new CS running the Jets.

And since you want to jump in my shorts.... Miller was a late second round pick. He was projected as a late one, but had that run in on a stupid noise violation with the cops a week before the draft.

No, Mangini wanted no part of Law, but Dyson is insurance.... and again, I suspect he will start opposite Miller, Barrett will be the nickel and depth.... but again, this is a whole new CS, and they may have dofferent ideas.

 

[RAPTURE]

Relax! Holy moly! I SAID he would keep his KR duty! Law was a cancer.... that was one of the reasons they let him have Mondays off. Keepong him out of meetings was preferable to having him there. Dwight will most likely do the PR's though.... Miller just doesn't have the hands for it, unless he shows vast improvement in that area. I also strongly suspect he will be a starting CB, but that can NOT be said with any certainty with a whole new CS running the Jets. And since you want to jump in my shorts.... Miller was a late second round pick. He was projected as a late one, but had that run in on a stupid noise violation with the cops a week before the draft. No, Mangini wanted no part of Law, but Dyson is insurance.... and again, I suspect he will start opposite Miller, Barrett will be the nickel and depth.... but again, this is a whole new CS, and they may have dofferent ideas.

Rovers - my apologies!It just seems as if the Jets have been a bad team for soooooooo long and I assumed they had high picks for each respective round. In the end, that will be the only error you find in my previous point...you can count on it!RAPTURE

 

[Rovers]

Relax! Holy moly! I SAID he would keep his KR duty! Law was a cancer.... that was one of the reasons they let him have Mondays off. Keepong him out of meetings was preferable to having him there.

Dwight will most likely do the PR's though.... Miller just doesn't have the hands for it, unless he shows vast improvement in that area. I also strongly suspect he will be a starting CB, but that can NOT be said with any certainty with a whole new CS running the Jets.

And since you want to jump in my shorts.... Miller was a late second round pick. He was projected as a late one, but had that run in on a stupid noise violation with the cops a week before the draft.

No, Mangini wanted no part of Law, but Dyson is insurance.... and again, I suspect he will start opposite Miller, Barrett will be the nickel and depth.... but again, this is a whole new CS, and they may have dofferent ideas.

Rovers - my apologies!It just seems as if the Jets have been a bad team for soooooooo long and I assumed they had high picks for each respective round. In the end, that will be the only error you find in my previous point...you can count on it!

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LOL! No problem! That was part of the much maligned and frankly, almost always misquoted Jolley trade. The Jets traded DOWN with the Raiders, got Jolley, and went to the top of the second round and took Nugent with that pick. Then, they took Miller at #57 overall, with their assigned second rounder, which was what.... 2.21 I think. Even though it seems the Jets have been awful, and most of us Jets fans were very happy to see Edwards leave, they made the playoffs in 3 out of the five years Edwards was here. They were coming off a playoff appearance in 2004. BTW, the Jets also got a sixth rounder, which they used for Houston, and another pick they traded away in that deal. They wanted Miller, and were absolutely THRILLED he dropped in the draft.... for a really silly noise nuisance run in with the cops.

I go to the Jets TC's.... a lot. I think I went to ten of them last year. Miller dropped MORE punts than he caught. Some tried to chalk it up to Graham's funky left footed punts, but it was obvious he was struggling badly. Despite that, because he is so dangerous as a return man, Edwards started him at PR anyway. I think that lasted about 3 games till they installed McCariens.

He also had trouble on KO's, but he had time to pick up his drops as a KR man. Miller looked freakin unbelievable at the beginning of camp.... when they were letting him man cover WR's. As soon as they tried to teach him that darned cover who, he faultered. The cover 2.... I hate that as much as offensive line zone blocking. Miller's talents should be much better suited to Mangini's new defensive scheme. He needs to learn how to catch a football though.... trust me on this one. He ties to trap everyting, including INT's against his chest. If he can learn to use his hands.... he'd be a dangerous PR man too. This past TC, he looked more like a basketball hoop than a PR man!

I'm a rabid Jets fan, and I think Miller easilly has the talent to be a perenial pro bowler. Good coaching and a system that suits him is all he needs, and I think he has that now.

 

[RAPTURE]

LOL! No problem! That was part of the much maligned and frankly, almost always misquoted Jolley trade. The Jets traded DOWN with the Raiders, got Jolley, and went to the top of the second round and took Nugent with that pick. Then, they took Miller at #57 overall, with their assigned second rounder, which was what.... 2.21 I think. Even though it seems the Jets have been awful, and most of us Jets fans were very happy to see Edwards leave, they made the playoffs in 3 out of the five years Edwards was here. They were coming off a playoff appearance in 2004. BTW, the Jets also got a sixth rounder, which they used for Houston, and another pick they traded away in that deal. They wanted Miller, and were absolutely THRILLED he dropped in the draft.... for a really silly noise nuisance run in with the cops. I go to the Jets TC's.... a lot. I think I went to ten of them last year. Miller dropped MORE punts than he caught. Some tried to chalk it up to Graham's funky left footed punts, but it was obvious he was struggling badly. Despite that, because he is so dangerous as a return man, Edwards started him at PR anyway. I think that lasted about 3 games till they installed McCariens. He also had trouble on KO's, but he had time to pick up his drops as a KR man. Miller looked freakin unbelievable at the beginning of camp.... when they were letting him man cover WR's. As soon as they tried to teach him that darned cover who, he faultered. The cover 2.... I hate that as much as offensive line zone blocking. Miller's talents should be much better suited to Mangini's new defensive scheme. He needs to learn how to catch a football though.... trust me on this one. He ties to trap everyting, including INT's against his chest. If he can learn to use his hands.... he'd be a dangerous PR man too. This past TC, he looked more like a basketball hoop than a PR man! I'm a rabid Jets fan, and I think Miller easilly has the talent to be a perenial pro bowler. Good coaching and a system that suits him is all he needs, and I think he has that now.

Rovers, I really enjoyed your reading!In the end, we both agree on Miller's talents. I had know idea how bad he was on punt returns. Frankly, I don't want him there due to the higher probability of an injury. Plus, in our league, they warrant the same amount of points for both a PR and KR......1 pt. for every 20 yards.

 

[Rovers]

How many starters (WR's, CB's, etc) also return BOTH punts and kickoffs? I don't think it's very many. None of my leagues use return yardage, so I'm not up on it, but I'd think that KO returns rack up much more yardage per play than PR does... although I'd guess there are more punt returns than KO returns in most games.

Miller did do very well returning KO's last year.... had some long ones including a TD against Buffalo late in the year. I can't see him losing that job, but Dwight was brought in to PR as much as anything else for 2006, I think.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I heart Justin Miller!

Love,

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[fredsmootinpurple]

Punt returns are really a non-factor except for that one TD every couple of years. I am projecting a safe zero points on punt return yardage. I think he's worth a shot..50 solos and 1400 KR yards = 170 points alone.

 

[RAPTURE]

Punt returns are really a non-factor except for that one TD every couple of years. I am projecting a safe zero points on punt return yardage. I think he's worth a shot..50 solos and 1400 KR yards = 170 points alone.

I respect your prediction! If you throw in a dozen & half PD's and a few picks, you will have yourself a top 10-12 DB in your league. Of course, it will depend on your scoring format.EFSports breaks it down this wayD 4 pointsINT 6 pointsSolos 2 pointsAssist 1 pointSacks (DB's) 8 points, (LB's) 10 points, (DL) 12 points.RAPTURE

 

[RAPTURE]

......and of course the 1 point for every 20 yards (return yardage).

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[ChadlyD]

I just drafted T. Mcgee and J Miller as my first 2 DBs. Gotta love Miller if he starts. If you look at our leagues return yard points (1 yard = .1 point) you can't go wrong with a DB that returns kicks as well.

 

[ChadlyD]

I just drafted T. Mcgee and J Miller as my first 2 DBs. Gotta love Miller if he starts. If you look at our leagues return yard points (1 yard = .1 point) you can't go wrong with a DB that returns kicks as well.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Jets | Barrett could replace Miller in the starting lineup

Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:20:15 -0700

The New York Daily News reports New York Jets CB Justin Miller, who had a rough preseason game against the Washington Redskins, could be replaced in the lineup by CB David Barrett.

 

[Rovers]

Jets | Barrett could replace Miller in the starting lineupMon, 21 Aug 2006 05:20:15 -0700The New York Daily News reports New York Jets CB Justin Miller, who had a rough preseason game against the Washington Redskins, could be replaced in the lineup by CB David Barrett.

Miller did have a bad game, and Leon Washington appears to have taken the KO returner's job away from Miller as well. I have a feeling that Dyson, Miller and Barrett will battle all the way through the entire season for playing time at CB. I'm going to my last Jets TC tomorrow, but I doubt I'll have much insight into a battle that is yet to be settled at the CB position by then. Right now, it looks like Dyson, with Barrett and Miller battling it out, with the loser becoming the nickel guy. CBBC anyone?

 

[Weiner Dog]

Jets | Miller and Barrett splitting first-team snaps

Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:29:01 -0700

Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets CBs David Barrett and Justin Miller alternated with the first-team defense at practice Monday, Aug. 21.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Miller has supposedly lost his starting gig to Barrett.

link:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/jets/cutting_..._cannizzaro.htm

August 25, 2006 -- The talk about open competition on the roster and who'll start and who won't ends, for the most part, for Eric Mangini and the Jets with tonight's preseason game against the Giants.

Mangini needs to have his starting roster pretty much nailed down by the time he watches the film of tonight's game at Giants Stadium, which happens to be a Jets' home game.

Here's a look at the key roster spots that'll be broken down and decided upon after tonight's game - because all preseason finales are about keeping the starters healthy and off the field except for perhaps a series or two.

Though Mangini has acknowledged nothing in public, the starting quarterback is Chad Pennington, who's expected to get a good amount of work tonight - perhaps a full first and the start of the third quarter.

What is up for grabs is who'll be Pennington's backup. Rookie Kellen Clemens, who has performed fairly well in his short preseason stints, will make the team. Whether he's No. 2 or No. 3 depends on the Jets' faith in Patrick Ramsey, who has been spotty in camp and in games. Brooks Bollinger, though a valuable performer, could be the man squeezed out unless the Jets send Ramsey packing.

Due to Curtis Martin's knee injury, running back is a 52-card pickup. Kevan Barlow, who was traded for this week, will have his chance to carry the ball tonight. Derrick Blaylock and Cedric Houston are also vying for ball carrying time. This could end up being a running back by committee scenario.

At fullback, the question is whether B.J. Askew is going to stay or fall from the bubble with youngsters Jamar Martin and Stacey Tutt pushing him. Askew has been a disappointment of unfulfilled potential since he got here.

At receiver, the big thing to watch is whether Justin McCareins can hold on to his starting job. Jerricho Cotchery, popular among the coaches, has been pushing McCareins and appears headed toward overtaking him.

On the offensive line, the position watch is right tackle, where Anthony Clement has seemingly pushed Adrian Jones from the starting lineup. Mangini likes Jones' versatility as a swing man who can play guard and tackle, which might leave him as a backup after starting last season.

Defensively, the Jets are uncertain at cornerback, where Justin Miller's talent is tantalizing but his lack of technique at times has been maddening to Mangini. Miller, a talent on KO returns, was burned several times in the preseason game in Washington.

Veteran David Barrett lurks as the starter, alongside Andre Dyson, who has had a solid camp.

"He has done some positive things, but it is different than it was last year, so there is learning there for him as well."

One area Mangini has had little to worry about is at left tackle and center, where his top two draft picks - D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold - have been performing like pros for the most part.

"I just like the way both of those guys are approaching this, with such maturity and the level-headedness that they have and their work ethic," Mangini said.

This is what Mangini is seeking tonight - his team giving itself a chance to be successful. Progress is a word he constantly uses. Progress from tonight will be finally settling on two sound starting units.

 

[Rovers]

Yeah, on Wdenesday I posted in the "Training Camp Report" thread that Miller has lost the starting CB job to Barrett. I can't tell from practice who is in the lead for KO return duties, Miller or Washington, but I believe it's Washington for the time being.

The writer says Cotchery is pushing McCariens, it's more like McCariens is pushing Cotchery, who is getting all the #2WR snaps behind Coles.... McCariens has been running with the second team, but only because Dwight is out with an undisclosed leg injury (believed to be a knee), McCariens did get some reps as the #3WR.

Unfortunatley, camp is now closed to the public, so I have to rely on a couple of contacts for info now.... and they don't always make themselves available.

From what I know, Mangini thinks he can coach up Miller. He was out of position against Washington a lot, and got picked on pretty good by Brunnel. Miller may win the job back, but it may be well into the season before that happens. In the meantime, he's the nickel. He had better get with the program, because he could lose the nickel job too, if he doesn't get his head in the game.

One reason Mangini may not want Miller to return KO's is that he wants him to be competely focused on learning how to play DB. Washington may even be better at returning KO's than Miller was... hard to believe, maybe, but.... he is very fast, and very shifty.