K-9 Vick out for the year? (1 Viewer)

[TheLastDispatch]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

At this point I can only call or :idiot: and update a certain list.

 

[Festus]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

And accept the consequences of knowingly ignoring a law. And frankly, EVERY LAW ON THE BOOKS curtails your freedom in some way. What do you mean I can't kill or beat a person I don't like. But that violates my freedom!

What do you mean I can't drive as fast as want while drinking Jim Beam straight from the bottle. That violates my freedom!

Right. It's security vs. liberty. You can't have one without sacrificing some of the other.

Just because you disagree with a law doesn't mean you have the right to ignore it.

If you do, you go to jail. Simple. You want to live in this country? Then follow the rules. Laws are laws. They're not optional.

Good thing you weren't around Rosie Parks refused to move to the back of the bus.I as a sovereign individual possess the right to do as I please as long as my actions do not cause harm to another person or their property.

As an example, how does me not wearing a seat belt harm you?

sov·er·eign –noun

1. a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.

2. a person who has sovereign power or authority.

3. a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.

No, you're not. If you want to be a sovereign individual, go buy an island somewhere. Go to the island and do whatever you want. Here, in America, where you choose to live, you must follow the laws. You do not choose which rules you want to follow. You don't make your own rules.

You don't possess autonomy?

 

[Festus]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

 

[cobalt_27]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

Enjoy yourself. Beat up a kitten while you're at it. According to you, this is your right to do...right along side Rosa Parks.

If it's my kitten I'll do with it as I wish. To include feeding, watering, providing medical care, lots of petting and playing with toys. Oh wait, I do have three cats and a dog.But I certainly won't come onto your property and tell you how to treat your animals.

Hey, when I was a kid, I was a big Ayn Rand fan, myself. You know...before I grew up and understood she was insane.

 

[Guzalot]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

 

[cobalt_27]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

At this point I can only call or :idiot: and update a certain list.

Both down?

 

[gman8343]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

No offense, but you represent some of the worst traits in humanity.

 

[Festus]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

Enjoy yourself. Beat up a kitten while you're at it. According to you, this is your right to do...right along side Rosa Parks.

If it's my kitten I'll do with it as I wish. To include feeding, watering, providing medical care, lots of petting and playing with toys. Oh wait, I do have three cats and a dog.But I certainly won't come onto your property and tell you how to treat your animals.

Hey, when I was a kid, I was a big Ayn Rand fan, myself. You know...before I grew up and understood she was insane.

To be truthful, I've never read Ayn Rand. I formed my opinions based off my experiences working for the government for 14 years. Took me that long to grow up.

 

[Festus]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

No offense, but you represent some of the worst traits in humanity.

Is a dog a person?

 

[cobalt_27]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

Enjoy yourself. Beat up a kitten while you're at it. According to you, this is your right to do...right along side Rosa Parks.

If it's my kitten I'll do with it as I wish. To include feeding, watering, providing medical care, lots of petting and playing with toys. Oh wait, I do have three cats and a dog.But I certainly won't come onto your property and tell you how to treat your animals.

Hey, when I was a kid, I was a big Ayn Rand fan, myself. You know...before I grew up and understood she was insane.

To be truthful, I've never read Ayn Rand. I formed my opinions based off my experiences working for the government for 14 years. Took me that long to grow up.

Super.

 

[RC94]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

No offense, but you represent some of the worst traits in humanity.

What a ####### tool.

 

[Festus]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

At this point I can only call or :idiot: and update a certain list.

Both down?

I'm getting the fishing one, but the other just reads what you typed. In either case, you're forgiven.

 

[Festus]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

No offense, but you represent some of the worst traits in humanity.

What a ####### tool.

So, a dog is a person? I just want to make this clear before I destroy your position.

 

[cobalt_27]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

At this point I can only call or :idiot: and update a certain list.

Both down?

I'm getting the fishing one, but the other just reads what you typed. In either case, you're forgiven.

You're not. Possibly the worst member on FBG.You've officially hit the :ignore: list.

 

[Festus]

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!What a collection of emotion-laden drivel. Naw, this above excerpt wasn't unbiased. You know, considering the title of site is "Advocacy for Animals".

 

[Festus]

A law is always correct and just?

In this case, yes it is.

If you don't like a law then work to get it changed. Until then, you still have to obey it. It's called the "real world". Check it out sometime.

Or I can simply choose to ignore the law as the law violates the very concept of freedom.

That's fine. There are mechanisms like fines and jail sentences for those like you who think they live in their own little kingdoms and operate beyond the three branches of government that this country (that you still choose to live in, I assume) has to offer.

And I'm more than willing to take that risk. Fortunately for me, I don't have to play by the rules of the state, but I can make the state play by it's own rules. Makes it fun and interesting.

At this point I can only call or :idiot: and update a certain list.

Both down?

I'm getting the fishing one, but the other just reads what you typed. In either case, you're forgiven.

You're not. Possibly the worst member on FBG.You've officially hit the :ignore: list.

Simply because I support property rights. Oh well. LMAO!By the way, you haven't answered about when a law isn't correct and just.

No other person has answered if a dog is a person either.

 

[2stix]

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

How about the dog?http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advoca...of-dogfighting/

A dogfight takes place in a ring (a “pit”) made of plywood and is usually held in a secluded location such as a vacant garage or the basement of a house or business. Fights can last for hours, and the dogs are made to keep going even after having sustained gruesome and painful injuries such as torn flesh and broken bones. The fight goes on until one of the dogs is unable to continue. Dogs may die immediately of their injuries or sheer exhaustion or later from infections.

Most dogs used for fighting are of the pit bull type, normally known for their courage and energy. These traits, which make well-bred and well-trained pit bulls good companions and working dogs, have unfortunately been exploited by unscrupulous breeders running illegal kennels and by trainers who encourage unbridled aggression in their animals by various means: exercise to the point of exhaustion, starvation, beating, and harsh punishment. A Chicago police officer who works to uncover and stop dogfighting attests: “They beat these animals. They feed them hot peppers. Feed them gunpowder. Lock them in small closets. They do everything they can to make these animals vicious and mean.” The dogs become powerfully strong and aggressive. Losing dogs often bear the brunt of owners’ and trainers’ anger at their loss of status and money: many dogs are found dumped with untreated severe injuries or are tortured or hanged after losing fights. And the dogs themselves are not the only animal victims: smaller animals such as kittens, puppies, and rabbits—often stolen pets—are killed and used as “bait” in training fights.

But obviously you're okay with this. I'm done with you.

A dog is a person?

No offense, but you represent some of the worst traits in humanity.

What a ####### tool.

GEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ

 

[2stix]

So where do you pick Norwood ?

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

 

[Festus]

Earlier I wrote:

Fighting dogs is not an act of initiated aggression against me, you or any other person.

Guzalot wrote:

What about the dog?

Since Guzalot apparently considers dogs and humans to be one and the same, if Guzalot "owns" a dog and controls that dog without allowing the dog freedoms, then he is engaging in slavery, the very same practice he is decrying. For Guzalot, it's about convenience and that leads to hypocrisy.

 

[Festus]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can. If the animal dies in accordance with your aesthetics then it's acceptable, if not, then it's unacceptable. Never mind the animal's interest in continuing it's life.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can.

I support the right to die, too, but there's a difference between humanely giving a lethal injection and torturing the person to death as well. Even though once they're dead it doesn't matter to them anymore.Swatting a fly with a flyswatter vs. pulling its wings off and slowly slicing it with a razor until it dies. Punching a dog to death. Throwing them in a pit to kill each other. It's not a reflection of the dog's personhood, it's a reflection of the humanity of the actor.

 

[Festus]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can.

I support the right to die, too, but there's a difference between humanely giving a lethal injection and torturing the person to death as well. Even though once they're dead it doesn't matter to them anymore.

But...does it matter to the animal the method used? That was your premise. Or is it the method that you prefer? A person understands the difference between lethal injection and torture till death. The animal doesn't. You're making the mistake of instilling human traits in animals.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can.

I support the right to die, too, but there's a difference between humanely giving a lethal injection and torturing the person to death as well. Even though once they're dead it doesn't matter to them anymore.

But...does it matter to the animal the method used? That was your premise. Or is it the method that you prefer? A person understands the difference between lethal injection and torture till death. The animal doesn't. You're making the mistake of instilling human traits in animals.

No, I'm not. See my edit above. It's not a matter of what the animal feels, it's a matter of the person performing the acts. Much like bestiality, it's utterly unacceptable in society.

 

[3C's]

I'd definitely save my dog...or any dog, before Festus.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can.

I support the right to die, too, but there's a difference between humanely giving a lethal injection and torturing the person to death as well. Even though once they're dead it doesn't matter to them anymore.

But...does it matter to the animal the method used? That was your premise. Or is it the method that you prefer? A person understands the difference between lethal injection and torture till death. The animal doesn't. You're making the mistake of instilling human traits in animals.

No, I'm not. See my edit above. It's not a matter of what the animal feels, it's a matter of the person performing the acts. Much like bestiality, it's utterly unacceptable in society.

I've never hunted, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn...and hit a deer going 70mph. There are too many.The way deer hunting was described, seems like slaughtering a cow. Actually, I've heard veal and chicken coops for eggs seem less humane.

Hunting is a developed skill. Well, not moose hunting. That's like shooting a huge cow I've heard. Turkey huntings hard though.

Anyway, it would be nice if we could all be one with the environment, vegieaters, no wars or envy (and every competition was a tie.) Too bad there are millions of people that would watch you and me die fast or slow. Killing and dominating being there fastest way to their good life. Oops, looks like I could use a meditative nap.

 

[Penguin]

This is getting ugly, both the Vick situation and the direction of this thread

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I wonder if Tampa would entertain dealing Jake Plummer to Atlanta. Division rivals and all....

 

[Festus]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can.

I support the right to die, too, but there's a difference between humanely giving a lethal injection and torturing the person to death as well. Even though once they're dead it doesn't matter to them anymore.

But...does it matter to the animal the method used? That was your premise. Or is it the method that you prefer? A person understands the difference between lethal injection and torture till death. The animal doesn't. You're making the mistake of instilling human traits in animals.

No, I'm not. See my edit above. It's not a matter of what the animal feels, it's a matter of the person performing the acts. Much like bestiality, it's utterly unacceptable in society.

Sure it is as your acceptable method(s) is based entirely on your aesthetics and what you find to be acceptable to the animal based upon how you would feel and how you want the animal to feel. Still doesn't matter a hoot to the animal as dead is dead. It's about making YOU feel good.There are members of society who find bestiality acceptable.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Even if Vick is guilty I don't think this makes him anymore of a scumbag than the millions of hunters who shoot helpless wildlife for sport. Honestly, at least the dogs literally have a fighting chance of survival. But wait, one is legal and the other is not so I guess that makes it alright.

You can't be serious here.

On one hand, we have training dogs to fight each other.On the other hand, we have shooting and kill animals for fun.

Hunting isn't seen as a horrible act, because we used to need to hunt. So people can morally go along with it, because hey we used to do it out of necessity.

But hunting has nothing to do with need anymore. You sit in a deer perch, wait for a deer to walk by, and then blow its brains out. But dog fighting is so egregious it's not even comparable?

I personally think training pit bulls is sicker, but randomly killing animals for sport is in the same ballpark.

I'm by no means a hunter, but if they eat the deer it's the same as buying steak. If they were to slowly torture the thing to death I'd liken it to dog fighting.

So what it boils down to is your aesthetics. To the animal dead is dead and it matters not to the animal the method used. The animal surely cannot appreciate the "humaneness" of it's death, but you can.

I support the right to die, too, but there's a difference between humanely giving a lethal injection and torturing the person to death as well. Even though once they're dead it doesn't matter to them anymore.

But...does it matter to the animal the method used? That was your premise. Or is it the method that you prefer? A person understands the difference between lethal injection and torture till death. The animal doesn't. You're making the mistake of instilling human traits in animals.

No, I'm not. See my edit above. It's not a matter of what the animal feels, it's a matter of the person performing the acts. Much like bestiality, it's utterly unacceptable in society.

Sure it is as your acceptable method(s) is based entirely on your aesthetics and what you find to be acceptable to the animal based upon how you would feel and how you want the animal to feel. Still doesn't matter a hoot to the animal as dead is dead. It's about making YOU feel good.There are members of society who find bestiality acceptable.

I think you are just trying to be witty and contrary. Dog fighting and animal abuse are wrong to anyone that feels empathy or understands the difference between right and wrong. Just because the dog doesn't understand exactly what the situation is, doesn't mean the dog doesn't feel pain and suffer. If you study some of Pavlov's experiments, you will understand that even though a dog cannot understand concepts, they will make a choice based on positive/negative reinforcement. Dogs have feelings too, buddy.As for your question, a dog is not a person, but what does that really prove? If a person has extremely low intelligence and is seriously mentally ######ed, then they may not be able to reason through concepts or understand the difference between a painful death and a quick death. But they certainly could feel the difference.

 

[Clayton Gray]

You guys are obviously encouraged to discuss Michael Vick in another thread, but the topic of "Dog-fighting: Horrid or Harmless?" needs to go to the FFA.