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It can be fun to poke at the Superdome, the Saints, and the new field business, etc and I don't mean to take away from anyone trying to shed some light on a bleak situation.  However, in all seriousness, the strength of the Superdome and its ability to withstand this horrendous storm are the only things separating this from being a terrible tragedy and possibly the worst disaster in the history of this nation.
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Only a fraction of the people left in NO are in the dome. It could remain standing and still be the worst tragedy in US history.
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Wow. :( If that's true, then that is an entirely different, and much more serious, problem IMO. Someone help me understand the mindset of a person who would still be in New Orleans right now. I'm being serious, I'm not looking for a sardonic answer. I know there was at least one poster who had family still in NO -- what kind of reasoning convinced them to stay?
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One of the main things is that they have heard similar warnings so many time before and its never been that bad. Living on the coast you usually go thru about 10 false warnings for every real event. It tends to make people think they are safer than they are.Plus a lot of people, especially older, just won't leave.

We may see a huge Darwinian correction this evening.
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99% of the people left had NO WAY to get out. No money, no car, no where to go.We have no infrastructer to get them out.

Mayor tried to get amtrack trains; they "didn't have any to send"

Mayor tried to get extra buses from greyhound; they "didn't have any" either.
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Words can't describe the feelings I have for the people in suits who made these decisions. God and every single one of us knows the words "profits" and "stock" were in the discussion.
 
This is just horrible.  Several thousand people still are outside & its getting close to tropical strom wind time.  Several hundred people have shrugged their shoulders, turned around, and went home (supposedly). 

No water, no food at the dome either.
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You gotta be sh***** me....
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Telling me there arent bottles and bottles of water there that are normally sold at the games?? Not to mention other things.
 
This is just horrible. Several thousand people still are outside & its getting close to tropical strom wind time. Several hundred people have shrugged their shoulders, turned around, and went home (supposedly).

No water, no food at the dome either.
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You gotta be sh***** me....
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not kidding. they have said it again & again. i quote the mayor here "its fend for yourself" time at the dome.
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And I heard earlier that they only have 1 generator in the Dome. Not exactly sure what that means as far as how long they'll have power but it can't be a good thing. You'd think they'd at least have bottles of water stored up for the upcoming football season?
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I heard a report that the generators will keep the place lighted, but forget about any a/c. And I don't even want to think what kind of shape the bathrooms will be in.
 
This is just horrible.  Several thousand people still are outside & its getting close to tropical strom wind time.  Several hundred people have shrugged their shoulders, turned around, and went home (supposedly). 

No water, no food at the dome either.
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You gotta be sh***** me....
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not kidding. they have said it again & again. i quote the mayor here "its fend for yourself" time at the dome.
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It would surprise me if there was no water at the moment. I suppose it could be turned off in anticipation of the storm, though. After it hits, I doubt that anyone in the city will be able to count on fresh water.
 
This is just horrible. Several thousand people still are outside & its getting close to tropical strom wind time. Several hundred people have shrugged their shoulders, turned around, and went home (supposedly).

No water, no food at the dome either.
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You gotta be sh***** me....
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not kidding. they have said it again & again. i quote the mayor here "its fend for yourself" time at the dome.
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It would surprise me if there was no water at the moment. I suppose it could be turned off in anticipation of the storm, though. After it hits, I doubt that anyone in the city will be able to count on fresh water.
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That's a guarantee. The tap water will be unsafe to drink for weeks, at least.
 
i'm sure they have supplies. however there's no way they have supplies for 50-60k people. hence saying people need to bring their own stuff.

 
This is just horrible. Several thousand people still are outside & its getting close to tropical strom wind time. Several hundred people have shrugged their shoulders, turned around, and went home (supposedly).

No water, no food at the dome either.
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You gotta be sh***** me....
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Telling me there arent bottles and bottles of water there that are normally sold at the games?? Not to mention other things.
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you would think so, but thats the word im getting on WDSU. (link on first post). They are allegedly about to evacuate the NO crew from WSDU & switch to a broadcast point from Jackson, MS.
 
Serious question. My friend was evacuating to her aunt's in a town in MS, off the coast, supposed to be higher ground and farm land. But it was only like 1-2 hours north of NO - I cannot remember the name of the city/town. Is she safe? I call the cell and am getting all circuits are busy, even though she is out of NO (they left at like 4am NO time).

 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?

 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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Slight turn to the north, but not yet saying NO will not take direct hit.
 
The SuperDome could get ugly. If it's a free-for-all in there after it hits, wow. That could get sick ugly inside of there.-fe

 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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They just said on MSNBC that 60-80% of homes in NO will be destroyed and that the eye is supposed to hit NO itself.
 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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i've heard them say this at least 10 times today. the last couple of sat. images kind of show that turn happening. If it could go just a little east, it would hit some rather underpopulated areas...at least compared to NO. Still hoping it hits Pearl River...still tons of damage to my city, but not even close to worst case.
 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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Last report I got was a direct hit on NO.Gas running out in Baton Rouge. Shelves empty of water and soft drinks. No ice.

All from local news reports

 
The SuperDome could get ugly. If it's a free-for-all in there after it hits, wow. That could get sick ugly inside of there.

-fe
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I'm hoping all those armed Natl guardsmen can maintain the order. Its not like they get to go home once everyone is inside, they'll be going inside as well.
 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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They just said on MSNBC that 60-80% of homes in NO will be destroyed and that the eye is supposed to hit NO itself.
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speculation. pure speculation.
 
Maybe a stupid question but why did the entire city of New Orleans decide to travel West? If they would have split up, half going East and half going West they wouldn't have the traffic problems they are right now. Is something like this impossible to accomplish?
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The interstates are only 3 lanes wide. 1.2 million people trying to leave on 3 lanes will result in problems no matter what. We left as soon as they announced contraflow yesterday afternoon and had no problem. All of the people stuck on the roads now are most likely the ones that wanted to wait it out until they were made to leave.

 
FWIW, New Orleans has some of the best crowd management in the world. What the police do at Mardi Gras is absolutely amazing. Obvioulsy it looks really bad from the outside, but remember that everyone went to bed Friday night thinking everything was ok, and woke up yesterday to see the potential.

 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour.  IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO.  I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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They just said on MSNBC that 60-80% of homes in NO will be destroyed and that the eye is supposed to hit NO itself.
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speculation. pure speculation.
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I believe she was quoting from an AP story when she said that. I found an AP story on Yahoo and didn't find that 60-80% estimate, but I found this part that she also quoted. It's based on projections that scientists have done over the past few years and not on this particular event. The first part is the background of the prediction and the 2nd part was her quote.
For years, forecasters have warned of the nightmare scenario a big storm could bring to New Orleans, a bowl of a city that's up to 10 feet below sea level in spots and dependent on a network of levees, canals and pumps to keep dry. It's built between the half-mile-wide Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, half the size of the state of Rhode Island.

Estimates have been made of tens of thousands of deaths from flooding that could overrun the levees and turn New Orleans into a 30-foot-deep toxic lake filled with chemicals and petroleum from refineries, and waste from ruined septic systems.
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In other news, oil has peaked over the $70 mark.
 
Serious question. My friend was evacuating to her aunt's in a town in MS, off the coast, supposed to be higher ground and farm land. But it was only like 1-2 hours north of NO - I cannot remember the name of the city/town. Is she safe? I call the cell and am getting all circuits are busy, even though she is out of NO (they left at like 4am NO time).
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Not sure where in MS she is located, but according to this wind map:http://www.crownweather.com/katrinawind.gif

They're expecting Category 3 winds (110 MPH) as far north as Jackson. In the area where she is they may well have a storm shelter, though, especially on a farm. If they have high ground and a storm shelter, she should be OK. GL and GB man.

 
1/3 of Gulf of Mexico oil production has been shut down, approximately 600,000 barrels/day I believe. This has caused US oil futures to surge more than $4, crossing the $70 mark.All of this according to MSNBC.

 
The Saints just hosted the Ravens two days ago. Inventory is likely low, and wouldn't normally be re-stocked for a while (next home game = 3 weeks).

 
This event has been feared and predicted for a long time.

Below is a link to an interesting series from the NO Times Picayune:

"It's only a matter of time before South Louisiana takes a direct hit from a major hurricane. Billions have been spent to protect us, but we grow more vulnerable every day. "

article "Washing Away"

 
The Saints just hosted the Ravens two days ago. Inventory is likely low, and wouldn't normally be re-stocked for a while (next home game = 3 weeks).
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Great insight. Do you do this for a living? :)
 
Having been born and raised in NO, I have a ton of folks over that way (some of which are here to shelter). I am praying for the best possible outcome for everyone on the coast. If it keeps going right now I am scared of what will happen in Pascagoula, which looks to be ground zero.

The most chilling thing I have heard - and this is firsthand - is that 50,000 body bags have been ordered by the NO coroner.
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I imagine most are for graveyard corpses.When graveyards flood, the cakets tend to pop up. Ghoulish scenario that we will probably see a lot of.
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biggest urban myth of this coveage. it started because of some crazy old guy reporter in the city my F.I.L. knows. Its been rehashed all day...even heard it was from the mayors mouth...all complete garbage.
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Not a myth. Seen it happen.
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yes, the bodies will float. the body bag story started with this guy from jefferson parish that is notoriously dramatic. FIL has a political talk show every Fri night & won't let him on.
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The story began with the folks staying at my house who happen to live next door to the duly elected coroner of NO. I don't spew rumors.
 
I'm not sure what happened to the lines outside the Superdome. MSNBC just showed a live feed before going to commercial. Either they took shelter under the awnings of the dome in order to get out of the rain, or they are getting the last of the crowd inside. Hopefully the latter.

 
This event has been feared and predicted for a long time.

Below is a link to an interesting series from the NO Times Picayune:

"It's only a matter of time before South Louisiana takes a direct hit from a major hurricane. Billions have been spent to protect us, but we grow more vulnerable every day. "

article "Washing Away"
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Scary quotes from above articles:"Emergency officials concede that many of the structures in the area, including newer high-rise buildings, would not survive the winds of a major storm."

"The large size of the area at risk also makes it difficult to evacuate the million or more people who live in the area, putting tens of thousands of people at risk of dying even with improved forecasting and warnings. The American Red Cross will not put emergency shelters in the area because it does not want to put volunteers or evacuees in danger."

"There currently is no defense against a surge from a major storm, a Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale used by meteorologists. Such storms can generate surges of 20 to 30 feet above sea level — enough to top any levee in south Louisiana. Sustained winds from major storms — 131 mph to 155 mph for a Category 4, even more for a Category 5 — can shred homes and do damage to almost any structure.

Fortunately, such storms are relatively rare events. Hurricane Camille, which struck the Mississippi Gulf Coast in 1969, and an unnamed 1935 storm that hit the Florida Keys were the only Category 5 storms to strike the U.S. coast in the past century. Fifteen Category 4 hurricanes made landfall on U.S. soil during that time."

 
The Saints just hosted the Ravens two days ago.  Inventory is likely low, and wouldn't normally be re-stocked for a while (next home game = 3 weeks).
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Great insight. Do you do this for a living? :)
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Yes. Please Paypal me $25. TIA
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I would, but PinPoint's (and a few other of us cappers) plays on CWS and COL didn't come through. :(
 
I'm watching MSNBC and they're reporting a turn to the north over the past hour. IIRC, he was predicting a landfall closer to Buloxi rather than NO. I was watching from the other room though, can anyone confirm?
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They just said on MSNBC that 60-80% of homes in NO will be destroyed and that the eye is supposed to hit NO itself.
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speculation. pure speculation.
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Yep. The exact landfall is still up in the air, but it makes a huge difference which side of the eye you are on. I'm really hoping for a Mississippi landfall. New Orleans just can't handle a direct hit. It would be disastrous. It is going to be really bad wherever it hits, I'm just hoping that it hits a less populated area. Here's the various computer models plots:Computer Models

 
The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no? Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.

 
It can be fun to poke at the Superdome, the Saints, and the new field business, etc and I don't mean to take away from anyone trying to shed some light on a bleak situation. However, in all seriousness, the strength of the Superdome and its ability to withstand this horrendous storm are the only things separating this from being a terrible tragedy and possibly the worst disaster in the history of this nation.
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Only a fraction of the people left in NO are in the dome. It could remain standing and still be the worst tragedy in US history.
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Wow. :( If that's true, then that is an entirely different, and much more serious, problem IMO. Someone help me understand the mindset of a person who would still be in New Orleans right now. I'm being serious, I'm not looking for a sardonic answer. I know there was at least one poster who had family still in NO -- what kind of reasoning convinced them to stay?
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Most of those do not have the means to get out or they have physical issues where they can not move easily. Those with the ability to get out, for the most part, left yesterday.
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This is understandable, because it's not really a choice for those people. But what about the people walking on the beach mentioned above? Why would a person who COULD leave under their own power choose to stay?
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Didn't see this exact clip. But, earlier they showed people on the beach and they were stranded tourists who have to ride it out in their hotels. Flights were canceled and rental cars were all rented out so they have no way out. I'd probably take my chances in the hotel instead of the Superdome myself.
 
The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no? Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.
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Wasn't this in 1900 or something? I'm sure that the system nor the tools to define the rules of the system had been invented yet.
 
The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no? Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.
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It was actually a Category 4. The worst part of that storm was the storm surge which resulted in 6000 deaths. With modern alert systems and better buildings, we will probably never see death tolls approaching that.
 
The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no? Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.
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It was actually a Category 4. The worst part of that storm was the storm surge which resulted in 6000 deaths. With modern alert systems and better buildings, we will probably never see death tolls approaching that.
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I hate to say it, but I bet we see it tonight.
 
The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no?  Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.
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It was actually a Category 4. The worst part of that storm was the storm surge which resulted in 6000 deaths. With modern alert systems and better buildings, we will probably never see death tolls approaching that.
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Was the category assigned after the storm? I may have to do some Googling on the history of the category system.
 
One of the main things is that they have heard similar warnings so many time before and its never been that bad. Living on the coast you usually go thru about 10 false warnings for every real event. It tends to make people think they are safer than they are.

Plus a lot of people, especially older, just won't leave.

We may see a huge Darwinian correction this evening.
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Sorry dude, that's a heinous thing to say. Not everyone can afford a car and if you live in a city you might not need it. Not everyone can afford a home, some can't even afford and apartment. Not everyone is in perfect health or has family and friends to care for them or check on them. A lot of folks stuck behind are poor and elderly and from what I understand the mayor requested help from Amtrack and Greyhound for extra transportation to get out and they spared none. I fear this country been led do divisively that we won't be able to pull together in this crisis. It's sad, really. -QG

 
The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no?  Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.
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It was actually a Category 4. The worst part of that storm was the storm surge which resulted in 6000 deaths. With modern alert systems and better buildings, we will probably never see death tolls approaching that.
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Was the category assigned after the storm? I may have to do some Googling on the history of the category system.
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...with information available today, and using the knowledge learned from all of the hurricanes since, the National Weather Service estimates that it would take winds between 130 and 140 miles per hour to produce the extreme tide and storm surge of the 1900 Storm
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That's a 4 131-155
 
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The storm that flooded Galveston had to be a category 5, no? Maybe the category system hadn't been invented yet.
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It was actually a Category 4. The worst part of that storm was the storm surge which resulted in 6000 deaths. With modern alert systems and better buildings, we will probably never see death tolls approaching that.
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Was the category assigned after the storm? I may have to do some Googling on the history of the category system.
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The Saffir Simpson scale was developed and refined in the lat 60's into the early 70's.
 
Category 5:

5 155 mph+(135+ kt) 18 ft + Complete roof failure on many residences and industrial buildings. Some complete building failures with small utility buildings blown over or away. Flooding causes major damage to lower floors of all structures near the shoreline. Massive evacuation of residential areas may be required.
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One of the main things is that they have heard similar warnings so many time before and its never been that bad. Living on the coast you usually go thru about 10 false warnings for every real event. It tends to make people think they are safer than they are.

Plus a lot of people, especially older, just won't leave.

We may see a huge Darwinian correction this evening.
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Sorry dude, that's a heinous thing to say. Not everyone can afford a car and if you live in a city you might not need it. Not everyone can afford a home, some can't even afford and apartment. Not everyone is in perfect health or has family and friends to care for them or check on them. A lot of folks stuck behind are poor and elderly and from what I understand the mayor requested help from Amtrack and Greyhound for extra transportation to get out and they spared none. I fear this country been led do divisively that we won't be able to pull together in this crisis. It's sad, really. -QG
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You are correct. I was referring to those refusing to leave, not those unable to do so. If NO resident had not made a "natural selction" comment earlier on the same topic, I doubt I would have posted. Either way I apologize for its unintended insensitivity. It was NOT directed at those unable, only those unwilling.
 
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