Katrina (2 Viewers)

[Proud Communist]

Just made it out of the city.  In Baton Rouge at a washateria weighing my options

It's not a pretty site.

Had to abadon the resteraunt b/c the front of the brick building collasped crushing 7 vehicles.  Mine was parked elsewhere.  The entire city is blacked out as well as the surrounding areas.

St. Bernard/Lower 9th ward is under 12ft of water.  As well as the Gentilly area and Lakeview.

My house in University City is inaccessable.  Don't know what condition it's in.

The law enforcement/emergency workers are all working on one communication channel due to the cell phone network failure.

It's bad.

Me too. But HOW did you make it out, Da Masses? Most of i-10 seemed impassable.

Glad you made it out.

 

[Courtjester]

12:15 p.m.: Looting Continues Throughout City

At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter this morning, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers. When police finally showed up, a young boy stood at the door and shouted a warning, and the crowd scattered.

A tourist from Philadelphia compared the scene to "downtown Baghdad."

Nearby, looters ripped open the steel gates from the front of stores on Canal Street. They filled industrial-sized garbage cans with clothing and jewelry and floated them down the street on bits of plywood and insulation. -- Associated Press

Let's keep in mind that people are stealing what they need to survive. Hardly TVs.

I suggest you are not seeing what I am seeing. Jewelry and clothing stores are being raided all along Canal Street.If you have an infant, and I can understand diapers being classified as a human neccessity. But adults stealing clothes???? Oh come on...

Stealing clothes and material things isn't the biggest issue, they're hijacking cars from people who are leaving town, some are shooting at others, a cop has been shot by looters. I read somewhere that most people are just ignoring the looting for now because saving the human lives is more important. Let them take the stuff, what are they gonna do with it over the next few days? Water, food and shelter are the most valuable things there now.

I do not condone looting. But, consider that much of the stuff is going to be submerged. Just a foot or 2 of water in a clothing store will ruin the clothes on the racks, 6-9 feet or more of water is going to destroy most of the stuff in the stores. I think the police and guard are better used focusing on rescuing people and getting in the needed supplies.

See that is why I posted my above idea that the whole looting angle needs to be downplayed a little. If Bubba wants to take a 42 inch big screen out of the store in a shopping cart into 3 feet of water to a place that has no electricty, then more power to him. I doubt the Coast Guard is going to allow his to take it with him in the helicopter....

 

[honky kong]

I haven't read this entire thread so sorry if this was already posted, but for those of us (relatively) unaffected by this:

American Red Cross

Make it hurt.

 

[Proud Communist]

SLIDELL  ??    Any news on Slidell?   tv networks don't know anything, and I don't see anything on wdsu.com

Hey 2112! I just heard from a friend of mine that their house in eastern Slidell, off Military Road is fine. A few broken shingles, but the roof is not leaking any water. It seems to be the case throughout several of the subdivisions in that area.

Lookk up the page, there is a link I posted to a blog on Slidell.

Thanks Philly! Hey, I am in Philadelphia now...probably for the next 6 weeks. I love Central City

 

[hammerva]

I was just watching the opening Tucker Carlson and saw some local news reporting a looting at a Walmart and it was just amazing how f'ed up some of the people are. I mean I can sort of understand stealing food and water and maybe some clothes but these dumbasses are going in the toy and electronics department. I mean seriously the power is gone for 90% of the area what the #### do you need a new TV for. They should one ####### trying to drag a kiddle ATV vehicle saying that he daughter really needed it. Now lets assume that he really did steal for his daughter (which I seriously doubt looking at that guy). There is literally 20 - 40 feet of water surrounding most of New Orleans. What the #### is a kid going to do with a glorified big wheel. Float it. And then the final straw was showing two female cops stealing some stuff while pretending to watch over the looters to the reporter.I understand that desperate people do desperate things but they also do despicable things sometimes.

 

[Proud Communist]

yikes... someone posted this on NOLA.com

CNN is reporting people jumping from the upper deck of the Superdome. Mass chaos inside with water now flooding the entire city. Gulf of Mexico can not be stopped. CNN saying there may be sixty feet of water in NOLA by six pm.

(sixty feet, is that accurate??, i only thought i was tops 8 ft below sealevel)

The entrance paths to thedome lead to a mezzanine which is where access is. If he jumped from that mezzanine, that could be sixty feet. I would have guessed 40 feet, but it could be 60.

I'm sorry. I don't understand what you're saying here. Can you elaborate?J

Sorry Joe for being unclear. Have you ever seen the Miami stadium from an aerial shot and you can see the spiral entrance ramps?For the Super dome, it is two elevated ramps, which look like a V that has been tipped on its side. At the top of this entrance ramp is a mezzanine that goes all the way around the dome. The mezzanine is where you enter the gates to get inside the dome. This mezzanine is about 40-60 feet above street level.

I hope that was clearer.

 

[Proud Communist]

Even if you steal what you need to survive, the law will still come down against you.  I remember this buddy of mine who stole a loaf of bread and some candlesticks during the French Revolution.  He got busted and was pursued for the rest of his life by a meddling detective named Javert.  despite his subsequent rise to prominence, the crimes of his past came back to haunt him.

Who is this man? What sort of devil is heTo have me caught in a trap and choose to let me go free?

It was his hour at last to put a seal on my fate

Wipe out the past and watch me clean off the slate

All it would take was a flick of his knife

Vengeance was his and he gave me back my liiiiife.....

Ahh...thanks for the entertainment. Les Mis always lifts my spirits.

You related to smoo?

No, just love Les Mis.

 

[kak]

Just as an aside I am really upset about the big 3 networks coverage of this. All major networks here in Colorado are just acting like business as usual and the regular shows are on here in prime time.

Same thing here in Wisconsin, other than to report that Brett Favre's family house/estate is ruined and needs to be bulldozed. Since I don't have cable, I've just been following the WWL feed since it started. Probably better that way anyway.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

They are evacuating the Dome.

 

[CrossEyed]

The footage on CNN of the man (Harvey Jackson) whose house split in half and he lost his wife was heartbraking and one of the saddest things Ive ever seen....

I agree. That brought tears to my eyes. So did the reporter.

Me too. When I started watching this my first thought was that the resporter was being insensitive for asking this man these questions in this situation. But as she went on you could see the tears in her eyes and hear the concern in her voice. I'm teary just thinking about it.

 

[Proud Communist]

12:15 p.m.: Looting Continues Throughout City

At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter this morning, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers. When police finally showed up, a young boy stood at the door and shouted a warning, and the crowd scattered.

A tourist from Philadelphia compared the scene to "downtown Baghdad."

Nearby, looters ripped open the steel gates from the front of stores on Canal Street. They filled industrial-sized garbage cans with clothing and jewelry and floated them down the street on bits of plywood and insulation. -- Associated Press

Let's keep in mind that people are stealing what they need to survive. Hardly TVs.

I suggest you are not seeing what I am seeing. Jewelry and clothing stores are being raided all along Canal Street.If you have an infant, and I can understand diapers being classified as a human neccessity. But adults stealing clothes???? Oh come on...

Stealing clothes and material things isn't the biggest issue, they're hijacking cars from people who are leaving town, some are shooting at others, a cop has been shot by looters. I read somewhere that most people are just ignoring the looting for now because saving the human lives is more important. Let them take the stuff, what are they gonna do with it over the next few days? Water, food and shelter are the most valuable things there now.

I do not condone looting. But, consider that much of the stuff is going to be submerged. Just a foot or 2 of water in a clothing store will ruin the clothes on the racks, 6-9 feet or more of water is going to destroy most of the stuff in the stores. I think the police and guard are better used focusing on rescuing people and getting in the needed supplies.

The tone of your posts sound like you are condoning, inferring it is no big deal. Do you really believe that if store are looted that private homes will not be? If you have seen the footage, it is definitely seems like mob rule took over. It is greed and thug mentality, not the acts of decent people. And remember, a looter shot a cop. Given this situation, this is not trivial in any manner.Have some compassion for the people who have lost so much, and yet are being robbed by people solely because they can get away with it.

How would you like seeing your home on national TV being robbed while you were away from it? It is a violation.

Ham, these people are the dregs of the earth to be doing this. They are taking advantage of a vulnerable, tenuous situation for selfish pleasure.

Remember, I exclude from this people who are taking things important to their basic survival like food and water. But the footage is showing this to be a minority of the looting.

They sicken me.

 

[rolyaTy]

Was just listening to the live feed and they were talking about the breach in the levy. They said the lake is elevated currently, but in the next 24-30 hours the lake should recede, and the water flow should begin to reverse direction. Not quite sure what area that was, but again, the live feed is good information.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

Was just listening to the live feed and they were talking about the breach in the levy. They said the lake is elevated currently, but in the next 24-30 hours the lake should recede, and the water flow should begin to reverse direction. Not quite sure what area that was, but again, the live feed is good information.

The water will flow back in the lake after the remove parts of the levy, otherwise it stays there.

 

[PocketPasser]

12:15 p.m.: Looting Continues Throughout City

At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter this morning, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers. When police finally showed up, a young boy stood at the door and shouted a warning, and the crowd scattered.

A tourist from Philadelphia compared the scene to "downtown Baghdad."

Nearby, looters ripped open the steel gates from the front of stores on Canal Street. They filled industrial-sized garbage cans with clothing and jewelry and floated them down the street on bits of plywood and insulation. -- Associated Press

Let's keep in mind that people are stealing what they need to survive. Hardly TVs.

I suggest you are not seeing what I am seeing. Jewelry and clothing stores are being raided all along Canal Street.If you have an infant, and I can understand diapers being classified as a human neccessity. But adults stealing clothes???? Oh come on...

Stealing clothes and material things isn't the biggest issue, they're hijacking cars from people who are leaving town, some are shooting at others, a cop has been shot by looters. I read somewhere that most people are just ignoring the looting for now because saving the human lives is more important. Let them take the stuff, what are they gonna do with it over the next few days? Water, food and shelter are the most valuable things there now.

I do not condone looting. But, consider that much of the stuff is going to be submerged. Just a foot or 2 of water in a clothing store will ruin the clothes on the racks, 6-9 feet or more of water is going to destroy most of the stuff in the stores. I think the police and guard are better used focusing on rescuing people and getting in the needed supplies.

The tone of your posts sound like you are condoning, inferring it is no big deal. Do you really believe that if store are looted that private homes will not be? If you have seen the footage, it is definitely seems like mob rule took over. It is greed and thug mentality, not the acts of decent people. And remember, a looter shot a cop. Given this situation, this is not trivial in any manner.Have some compassion for the people who have lost so much, and yet are being robbed by people solely because they can get away with it.

How would you like seeing your home on national TV being robbed while you were away from it? It is a violation.

Ham, these people are the dregs of the earth to be doing this. They are taking advantage of a vulnerable, tenuous situation for selfish pleasure.

Remember, I exclude from this people who are taking things important to their basic survival like food and water. But the footage is showing this to be a minority of the looting.

They sicken me.

I do not condone looting. But when you have limited resources, and you have to make hard choices, I think it's more important to be saving lives than saving property.I understand you are from NO. I understand how you'd feel having someone loot your home. These are not easy times and you do have my compassion. And these people are scum. I hope the reporter who saw the cops helping themselves in the WalMart got their badge numbers.

BTW, what ever happened to "Looters shot on sight!"?

 

[Hokie]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective? It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure. No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO. Where is the money going to be spent? On low ground? Where will these people go?I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective? It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure. No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent? On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

 

[TheLaw]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier. Any word on houses being looted?

 

[NCCommish]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

Flooding doesn't change ownership. They intend to pump all the water out.

 

[Smoo]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier. Any word on houses being looted?

Does this mean Chad Pennington is the new mayor?

 

[Cunning Linguist]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier. Any word on houses being looted?

martial lawMarshall Crenshaw

 

[TheLaw]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier.  Any word on houses being looted?

Does this mean Chad Pennington is the new mayor?

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier. Any word on houses being looted?

martial lawMarshall Crenshaw

martial. sorry. ****(s).

 

[Tiger Fan]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective? It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure. No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent? On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

While new orleans itself doesn't have one specific industry (other than tourism) that thrives - it does support other industries significantly, such as the oil industry and the port of new orleans is huge for getting things up the mississippi river to the rest of the country.If there is any good news - it's that the cities leaders can do things right from the beginning. There has been so much corruption in the city and so much negativity in the recent decades that in a ####ed up way it will be a relief to do things right.

Thank Jesus that Ray Nagin is currently our mayor and not any of the Morials. This city will get built up again - and obviously it will take a lot of time.

I use this comparison very loosely, so please don't interpret me comparing 9/11 to the Hurricane - but as 9/11 inspired people to join the service...I almost want to quit my job and work for the city to help rebuild it. It would give me a tremendous sense of pride an accomplishment to such for a city I love.

 

[aardball44]

The WWL feed just ended its broadcast. They'll go to CNN coverage until 5:30am tomorrow.

 

[Smoo]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier.  Any word on houses being looted?

Does this mean Chad Pennington is the new mayor?

martial. sorry. ****.

Oh, yes, I'm a ####. If I report you, will you be banned for three years? That penalty has been handed out for less today.

 

[Slapdash]

The footage on CNN of the man (Harvey Jackson) whose house split in half and he lost his wife was heartbraking and one of the saddest things Ive ever seen....

I agree. That brought tears to my eyes. So did the reporter.

Me too. When I started watching this my first thought was that the resporter was being insensitive for asking this man these questions in this situation. But as she went on you could see the tears in her eyes and hear the concern in her voice. I'm teary just thinking about it.

link?

 

[Tiger Fan]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier. Any word on houses being looted?

Million Dollar houses on St. Charles were being looted.Karma is a ##### - especially when those looters will all either (1) drown or (2) have some nasty diseases (dissentary) over the next few days.

 

[Hokie]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

Flooding doesn't change ownership. They intend to pump all the water out.

I understand your point about ownership, but is there a need or better yet a reason to rebuild a city (back to its former state) that did not hold a lot of financial value to the US? I realize it was port city but that will be rerouted to Galveston and Corpus Christi and other ports that can rebuild faster...

What is the financial beneit of rebuilding on a sinking ship?

Once again...not trying to be cruel but how can this be justified?

 

[Smoo]

Karma is a #####

Let's hope so.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

Flooding doesn't change ownership. They intend to pump all the water out.

I understand your point about ownership, but is there a need or better yet a reason to rebuild a city (back to its former state) that did not hold a lot of financial value to the US? I realize it was port city but that will be rerouted to Galveston and Corpus Christi and other ports that can rebuild faster...

What is the financial beneit of rebuilding on a sinking ship?

Once again...not trying to be cruel but how can this be justified?

I'm sure the first order of business will be to figure out some way to elevate the land or construct a "Great Wall" of new orleans

 

[themikus]

Just gave $1000 to the Red Cross. I know it isn't much in this humanitarian crisis, but its all I can afford right now.

GB everyone affected by this horrible disaster.

God Bless you for that - thank you SC.

 

[NCCommish]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

Flooding doesn't change ownership. They intend to pump all the water out.

I understand your point about ownership, but is there a need or better yet a reason to rebuild a city (back to its former state) that did not hold a lot of financial value to the US? I realize it was port city but that will be rerouted to Galveston and Corpus Christi and other ports that can rebuild faster...

What is the financial beneit of rebuilding on a sinking ship?

Once again...not trying to be cruel but how can this be justified?

Not really ready to do the whole hardcore analysis on this right now. Seems a little early.

 

[TheLaw]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier.  Any word on houses being looted?

Does this mean Chad Pennington is the new mayor?

martial. sorry. ****.

Oh, yes, I'm a ####. If I report you, will you be banned for three years? That penalty has been handed out for less today.

sorry I have friends who are worried about things in Jefferson Parish, who I havent been able to reach tonight, and I'm not really in the mood to have my spelling and grammar checked tonight. But thanks for looking out professor.Now on to important things. Seriously, any word on houses in Jefferson Parish - Terrytown/Gretna?

 

[Hokie]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

While new orleans itself doesn't have one specific industry (other than tourism) that thrives - it does support other industries significantly, such as the oil industry and the port of new orleans is huge for getting things up the mississippi river to the rest of the country.If there is any good news - it's that the cities leaders can do things right from the beginning. There has been so much corruption in the city and so much negativity in the recent decades that in a ####ed up way it will be a relief to do things right.

Thank Jesus that Ray Nagin is currently our mayor and not any of the Morials. This city will get built up again - and obviously it will take a lot of time.

I use this comparison very loosely, so please don't interpret me comparing 9/11 to the Hurricane - but as 9/11 inspired people to join the service...I almost want to quit my job and work for the city to help rebuild it. It would give me a tremendous sense of pride an accomplishment to such for a city I love.

Undesrtood...but the Mississippi (and river commerce in general) is an outdated and limited mode of commerce these days...the way I understand it from my friends in petrol industry is that rail is much cheaper and easier form of distribution anyway...am I wrong? How many major industries use water transit?

 

[aardball44]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective? It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure. No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent? On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

Flooding doesn't change ownership. They intend to pump all the water out.

I understand your point about ownership, but is there a need or better yet a reason to rebuild a city (back to its former state) that did not hold a lot of financial value to the US? I realize it was port city but that will be rerouted to Galveston and Corpus Christi and other ports that can rebuild faster...

What is the financial beneit of rebuilding on a sinking ship?

Once again...not trying to be cruel but how can this be justified?

I'm sure the first order of business will be to figure out some way to elevate the land or construct a "Great Wall" of new orleans

I'd be pissed if they did not consider erecting an Uber Dike around Big Easy 2.0 as long as they're rebuilding with our tax dollars.

 

[TheLaw]

#### is crazy.

Jefferson ParishAs of 9:35 a.m. on August 30, residents of Jefferson Parish who have ID proving they live in the parish will be allowed to return to their homes to retrieve essentials in about a week, but will then be required to leave the parish for another month. The failed attempt to repair the 17th street Canal levee will likely cause additional flooding in the parish.

Links

 

[Hokie]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

I was wondering the same thing. Can you even own land if it is underwter? Won't the state own it if it is a lake now?

Flooding doesn't change ownership. They intend to pump all the water out.

I understand your point about ownership, but is there a need or better yet a reason to rebuild a city (back to its former state) that did not hold a lot of financial value to the US? I realize it was port city but that will be rerouted to Galveston and Corpus Christi and other ports that can rebuild faster...

What is the financial beneit of rebuilding on a sinking ship?

Once again...not trying to be cruel but how can this be justified?

Not really ready to do the whole hardcore analysis on this right now. Seems a little early.

Sorry NCCYou may have family in the area and I am not trying to push people to take positions on how this might affect you personally. If so, believe me, I am praying for you and yours

My point is that there are people that will have to make these decisions and they will have to make them quickly (and it really does start now unfortunately).

God Bless all those who are stranded and affected.

 

[Billy Bats]

Believe me, I am horrified and feel terrible for what is happening in NO and have all Southerners in my thoughts. Please don't take offense to this question, and I haven't read anything other than recent posts, so don't bash me too bad if this has been discussed or you think I'm being callous. I don't mean to be. I'm just wondering WHY, WHY IN THE WORLD would they build the levees to handle "only" a Cat 3 hurricane??? With the way the city is placed between the lake, the Miss., and the Gulf, wouldn't you build them to sustain a Cat 6?? (even if there is no such thing). Sure it may be in hindsight, but why wouldn't you ensure safety of the worst posible scenarios, especially when it's an entire city at stake? The original buidlers/planners/designers/budgeters of the levee system are at fault here, and when they do rebuild the city of NO, can someone please suggest modifying the current system to support a wrost case scenario?Just venting and ranting. What's happening now could have been prevented, IMO.

 

[arrow1]

I know this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I just saw the video with Harvey Jackson. Wow, just heartbreaking..........

 

[Tiger Fan]

I am sure that I am repeating something typed in the last 46 pages (sorry I don't have the time) but has it been considered whether it is even worth rebuilding NO from the financial perspective?  It is primarily a tourist and local industry infrastructure.  No major corporation in it's right mind HQs in NO.

Where is the money going to be spent?  On low ground?

Where will these people go?

I am honestly not trying to be funny..but being serious.

While new orleans itself doesn't have one specific industry (other than tourism) that thrives - it does support other industries significantly, such as the oil industry and the port of new orleans is huge for getting things up the mississippi river to the rest of the country.If there is any good news - it's that the cities leaders can do things right from the beginning. There has been so much corruption in the city and so much negativity in the recent decades that in a ####ed up way it will be a relief to do things right.

Thank Jesus that Ray Nagin is currently our mayor and not any of the Morials. This city will get built up again - and obviously it will take a lot of time.

I use this comparison very loosely, so please don't interpret me comparing 9/11 to the Hurricane - but as 9/11 inspired people to join the service...I almost want to quit my job and work for the city to help rebuild it. It would give me a tremendous sense of pride an accomplishment to such for a city I love.

Undesrtood...but the Mississippi (and river commerce in general) is an outdated and limited mode of commerce these days...the way I understand it from my friends in petrol industry is that rail is much cheaper and easier form of distribution anyway...am I wrong? How many major industries use water transit?

I don't have any numbers - but the ports are used a lot more than you think. It's an inexpensive way of shipping types of goods that aren't needed immediately. I work in the oil industry, and I know the River is used for certain items. Either way, you are correct in assuming that New Orelans (other than the port) doesn't really have a great infrastructure...but to suggest that a city where over 1 million people live shouldn't be rebuilt is unrealistic in my opinion.

What it does is give New Orleans a chance to do everything right from the beginning. Will it be an uphill battle, of course it will.....but it's not going anywhere

 

[Tiger Fan]

Believe me, I am horrified and feel terrible for what is happening in NO and have all Southerners in my thoughts.

Please don't take offense to this question, and I haven't read anything other than recent posts, so don't bash me too bad if this has been discussed or you think I'm being callous. I don't mean to be.

I'm just wondering WHY, WHY IN THE WORLD would they build the levees to handle "only" a Cat 3 hurricane??? With the way the city is placed between the lake, the Miss., and the Gulf, wouldn't you build them to sustain a Cat 6?? (even if there is no such thing). Sure it may be in hindsight, but why wouldn't you ensure safety of the worst posible scenarios, especially when it's an entire city at stake? The original buidlers/planners/designers/budgeters of the levee system are at fault here, and when they do rebuild the city of NO, can someone please suggest modifying the current system to support a wrost case scenario?

Just venting and ranting. What's happening now could have been prevented, IMO.

There are a lot of things that New Orleans did that makes absolutely zero sense at all.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Looking for a bright side here but the quake of '56 (I think that was the year) was the best thing to have happened to my town. A lot of stuff that could never be removed went away in one minute. They rebuilt downtown with better planning, wider roads, and upgraded infrastructure.

 

[rolyaTy]

Looking for a bright side here but the quake of '56 (I think that was the year) was the best thing to have happened to my town. A lot of stuff that could never be removed went away in one minute. They rebuilt downtown with better planning, wider roads, and upgraded infrastructure.

Good point. After the months of cleanup go by, the rebuilding stage will startup and considering how old most of N.O.'s buildings were (part of the allure though), it might be a major upgrade to be able to start over again, relatively fresh.Also hope they consider putting in some mass-transportation if possible, like a light-rail or something.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Again. Leave the political bashing out of this thread.

 

[Kid Kong]

Looking for a bright side here but the quake of '56 (I think that was the year) was the best thing to have happened to my town.  A lot of stuff that could never be removed went away in one minute.  They rebuilt downtown with better planning, wider roads, and upgraded infrastructure.

Good point. After the months of cleanup go by, the rebuilding stage will startup and considering how old most of N.O.'s buildings were (part of the allure though), it might be a major upgrade to be able to start over again, relatively fresh.Also hope they consider putting in some mass-transportation if possible, like a light-rail or something.

The city will lose some of it's charm. I was just there in late June...love the place. I wonder how the Cat's Meow will look next year?

 

[Wingnut]

Whats the latest word on how bad its got since earlier tonight? I just got home and the TV is taken for another half hour...

 

[Wingnut]

The city will lose some of it's charm. I was just there in late June...love the place. I wonder how the Cat's Meow will look next year?

I was there in April for the 1st time since 1982 when I was 12 years old (my grandparents and dad are from there)....I absoloutely love it, too. I was planning on going back next spring but its looking doubtful....The bright side is I got to experience it before this disaster. Im really glad for that. It's (was) an amazing city.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

9 more feet of water by sunrise tomorrow.

 

[Wingnut]

9 more feet of water by sunrise tomorrow.

I havent felt sadness like this in a long, long time. Years.

 

[Kid Kong]

The city will lose some of it's charm.  I was just there in late June...love the place.  I wonder how the Cat's Meow will look next year?

I was there in April for the 1st time since 1982 when I was 12 years old (my grandparents and dad are from there)....I absoloutely love it, too. I was planning on going back next spring but its looking doubtful....The bright side is I got to experience it before this disaster. Im really glad for that. It's (was) an amazing city.

April is a great time to go too. I've been there four times....lost a lot of brain cells in the French Quarter and in Metaire.

 

[Kid Kong]

The city will lose some of it's charm.  I was just there in late June...love the place.  I wonder how the Cat's Meow will look next year?

I was there in April for the 1st time since 1982 when I was 12 years old (my grandparents and dad are from there)....I absoloutely love it, too. I was planning on going back next spring but its looking doubtful....The bright side is I got to experience it before this disaster. Im really glad for that. It's (was) an amazing city.

I really hope when it get's rebuilt that they don't turn it into Las Vegas 2.