KC Chiefs WR depth chart (1 Viewer)

[loose circuits]

Would have to assume that Dwayne Bowe and Jon Baldwin would be the 2 starters. Right now Bowe is holding out so Breaston is taking his reps leaving McCluster in the slot


I love Devon Wylie and don't think McCLuster would be able to hold him off, what do you guys think? Will Hemmingway earn a role on this team? He has outstanding athleticism and seems like the perfect special teams WR4/5 type of guy for now with long term upside. It really is hard to judge his receiving ability since Denard Robinson is not conventional. Seems like he will be battling with Copper for the wr6 spot assuming McCluster doesn't lose his job and spot on roster if Wylie overtakes him.

 

[greenf7cat]

Would have to assume that Dwayne Bowe and Jon Baldwin would be the 2 starters. Right now Bowe is holding out so Breaston is taking his reps leaving McCluster in the slot https://twitter.com/JoshLooney/statuses/205703300547493889 I love Devon Wylie and don't think McCLuster would be able to hold him off, what do you guys think? Will Hemmingway earn a role on this team? He has outstanding athleticism and seems like the perfect special teams WR4/5 type of guy for now with long term upside. It really is hard to judge his receiving ability since Denard Robinson is not conventional. Seems like he will be battling with Copper for the wr6 spot assuming McCluster doesn't lose his job and spot on roster if Wylie overtakes him.

Im not so sure Baldwin will be the starter. Last year, he played out of the slot, but since he has more time to learn the offense this year, he "should" be on the outside and move Breaston back to the slot (like he was in AZ)Wylie has a lot of potential, but has had 3 or 4 injuries in his collegiate career, so that makes me real nervous. He will def. return kicks though, so he has promise there.

I dont know if Hemingway will make the team. After The killer B's, Wylie, and McCluster, he will be the #6 WR on the team. He better be able to play ST if he wants to make it.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm assuming Bowe signs, in that scenario he's the only WR you want from this offense in redraft. Cassell isn't good enough to make the role players valuable. Breaston just is who he is, and that's the guy that wil steal enough looks from others to not make them valuable enough. Baldwin has big play ability but is very inconsistent, McCluster will get some touches and most in space but not enough to make him more than an uninteresting bench option, if Wylie stays healthy enough he could play 4th WR/backup to McCluster but don't see the ceiling. Hemingway also has big play ability and is the one I'd be most interested in among him vs. Wylie. He could naturally slide into Baldwin's spot if he went down and unlike Baldwin I think Hemingway could have enough success in that role to become a decent starting option. Nothing special, but decent. If I were targeting someone in dynasty he'd be the one assuming McCluster and Baldwin are rostered, wouldn't trade for either of them, would rather take a flier on Hemingway if I have the room.

 

[Shutout]

I'm assuming Bowe signs, in that scenario he's the only WR you want from this offense in redraft. Cassell isn't good enough to make the role players valuable. Breaston just is who he is, and that's the guy that wil steal enough looks from others to not make them valuable enough. Baldwin has big play ability but is very inconsistent, McCluster will get some touches and most in space but not enough to make him more than an uninteresting bench option, if Wylie stays healthy enough he could play 4th WR/backup to McCluster but don't see the ceiling. Hemingway also has big play ability and is the one I'd be most interested in among him vs. Wylie. He could naturally slide into Baldwin's spot if he went down and unlike Baldwin I think Hemingway could have enough success in that role to become a decent starting option. Nothing special, but decent. If I were targeting someone in dynasty he'd be the one assuming McCluster and Baldwin are rostered, wouldn't trade for either of them, would rather take a flier on Hemingway if I have the room.

Didn't Welker AND Moss have a good season with Cassel in 2008?Welker had 111/1165/3

Moss had 69/1008/11

And that's with 75 passes going to the RBs and almost 100 spread out to other receivers.

I think we can make an argument that the Rbs can still get their catches and still support 2 of those receivers.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm assuming Bowe signs, in that scenario he's the only WR you want from this offense in redraft. Cassell isn't good enough to make the role players valuable. Breaston just is who he is, and that's the guy that wil steal enough looks from others to not make them valuable enough. Baldwin has big play ability but is very inconsistent, McCluster will get some touches and most in space but not enough to make him more than an uninteresting bench option, if Wylie stays healthy enough he could play 4th WR/backup to McCluster but don't see the ceiling. Hemingway also has big play ability and is the one I'd be most interested in among him vs. Wylie. He could naturally slide into Baldwin's spot if he went down and unlike Baldwin I think Hemingway could have enough success in that role to become a decent starting option. Nothing special, but decent. If I were targeting someone in dynasty he'd be the one assuming McCluster and Baldwin are rostered, wouldn't trade for either of them, would rather take a flier on Hemingway if I have the room.

Didn't Welker AND Moss have a good season with Cassel in 2008?Welker had 111/1165/3

Moss had 69/1008/11

And that's with 75 passes going to the RBs and almost 100 spread out to other receivers.

I think we can make an argument that the Rbs can still get their catches and still support 2 of those receivers.

There is nothing close to Welker and Moss (4 years ago) on this team outside of Bowe.

 

[Shutout]

I'm assuming Bowe signs, in that scenario he's the only WR you want from this offense in redraft. Cassell isn't good enough to make the role players valuable. Breaston just is who he is, and that's the guy that wil steal enough looks from others to not make them valuable enough. Baldwin has big play ability but is very inconsistent, McCluster will get some touches and most in space but not enough to make him more than an uninteresting bench option, if Wylie stays healthy enough he could play 4th WR/backup to McCluster but don't see the ceiling. Hemingway also has big play ability and is the one I'd be most interested in among him vs. Wylie. He could naturally slide into Baldwin's spot if he went down and unlike Baldwin I think Hemingway could have enough success in that role to become a decent starting option. Nothing special, but decent. If I were targeting someone in dynasty he'd be the one assuming McCluster and Baldwin are rostered, wouldn't trade for either of them, would rather take a flier on Hemingway if I have the room.

Didn't Welker AND Moss have a good season with Cassel in 2008?Welker had 111/1165/3

Moss had 69/1008/11

And that's with 75 passes going to the RBs and almost 100 spread out to other receivers.

I think we can make an argument that the Rbs can still get their catches and still support 2 of those receivers.

There is nothing close to Welker and Moss (4 years ago) on this team outside of Bowe.

Point taken but Breaston was serviceable in the slot and Wylie or Mccluster in the slot (maybe they prove to be better options). Maybe Bowe shows something? I don't know. Just thinking. I'm not sure of the talent on the receiving in, but it appears Cassel might in fact be good enough if there is something to work with.

 

[kutta]

Would have to assume that Dwayne Bowe and Jon Baldwin would be the 2 starters. Right now Bowe is holding out so Breaston is taking his reps leaving McCluster in the slot https://twitter.com/JoshLooney/statuses/205703300547493889 I love Devon Wylie and don't think McCLuster would be able to hold him off, what do you guys think? Will Hemmingway earn a role on this team? He has outstanding athleticism and seems like the perfect special teams WR4/5 type of guy for now with long term upside. It really is hard to judge his receiving ability since Denard Robinson is not conventional. Seems like he will be battling with Copper for the wr6 spot assuming McCluster doesn't lose his job and spot on roster if Wylie overtakes him.

Im not so sure Baldwin will be the starter. Last year, he played out of the slot, but since he has more time to learn the offense this year, he "should" be on the outside and move Breaston back to the slot (like he was in AZ)Wylie has a lot of potential, but has had 3 or 4 injuries in his collegiate career, so that makes me real nervous. He will def. return kicks though, so he has promise there.

I dont know if Hemingway will make the team. After The killer B's, Wylie, and McCluster, he will be the #6 WR on the team. He better be able to play ST if he wants to make it.

I don't know why everyone says this. Breaston actually did not play the slot nearly as much as people thing he did in AZ. When AZ had Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston, Boldin played the slot the majority of times and Breaston lined up on the outside.I'm not sure where to find these kinds of stats, so I don't have the numbers. But I saw every snap taken during those years, and that's the way it was.

 

[BlackMamba24]

Would have to assume that Dwayne Bowe and Jon Baldwin would be the 2 starters. Right now Bowe is holding out so Breaston is taking his reps leaving McCluster in the slot https://twitter.com/JoshLooney/statuses/205703300547493889 I love Devon Wylie and don't think McCLuster would be able to hold him off, what do you guys think? Will Hemmingway earn a role on this team? He has outstanding athleticism and seems like the perfect special teams WR4/5 type of guy for now with long term upside. It really is hard to judge his receiving ability since Denard Robinson is not conventional. Seems like he will be battling with Copper for the wr6 spot assuming McCluster doesn't lose his job and spot on roster if Wylie overtakes him.

Im not so sure Baldwin will be the starter. Last year, he played out of the slot, but since he has more time to learn the offense this year, he "should" be on the outside and move Breaston back to the slot (like he was in AZ)Wylie has a lot of potential, but has had 3 or 4 injuries in his collegiate career, so that makes me real nervous. He will def. return kicks though, so he has promise there.

I dont know if Hemingway will make the team. After The killer B's, Wylie, and McCluster, he will be the #6 WR on the team. He better be able to play ST if he wants to make it.

breaston was never a slot WR in arizona...in fact, breaston himself said last year was the first season he played the slot. boldin was always the slot in arizona with breaston opposite of fitz.

i see it like this:

breaston and bowe out wide, baldwin in the slot on 3 wr sets

wylie will also take snaps in the slot

mccluster will see alot of his touches taken from him with hillis charles and even grey in the backfield. (and as you can see the WR core is starting to get crowded). mccluster will be used but not any more than last season for sure.

---chiefs fan.

 

[BlackMamba24]

hemmingway will be nothing more than practice squad or special teams IF he makes the team...(at least for the short term)

there is too many players that will see more time before him:

bowe, breaston, baldwin, moeaki, boss, hillis, mccluster, charles, wylie....

 

[saintfool]

how does the TE look in this offense? moeaki still viable?

 

[BlackMamba24]

how does the TE look in this offense? moeaki still viable?

very much.still trying to figure out the new OC's offense (daboll) but from what ive been hearing he uses alot of 2 TE sets and sometimes 3 TEs (probably the reason why KC has been checking out a few TEs lately).

 

[BlackMamba24]

but i expect our running game to be more dominant (a return to the #1 rushing attack? or top 3 or 5). our line has improved alot. i think we will run the ball more than we pass, which obviously will take away targets from some of the recievers that are not at the top of the depth chart.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Keep Terrence Copper in mind. They like his ST performance and he would probably be kept as a #6 WR over anyone else.

 

[ZWK]

Would have to assume that Dwayne Bowe and Jon Baldwin would be the 2 starters. Right now Bowe is holding out so Breaston is taking his reps leaving McCluster in the slot https://twitter.com/JoshLooney/statuses/205703300547493889 I love Devon Wylie and don't think McCLuster would be able to hold him off, what do you guys think? Will Hemmingway earn a role on this team? He has outstanding athleticism and seems like the perfect special teams WR4/5 type of guy for now with long term upside. It really is hard to judge his receiving ability since Denard Robinson is not conventional. Seems like he will be battling with Copper for the wr6 spot assuming McCluster doesn't lose his job and spot on roster if Wylie overtakes him.

Im not so sure Baldwin will be the starter. Last year, he played out of the slot, but since he has more time to learn the offense this year, he "should" be on the outside and move Breaston back to the slot (like he was in AZ)Wylie has a lot of potential, but has had 3 or 4 injuries in his collegiate career, so that makes me real nervous. He will def. return kicks though, so he has promise there.

I dont know if Hemingway will make the team. After The killer B's, Wylie, and McCluster, he will be the #6 WR on the team. He better be able to play ST if he wants to make it.

breaston was never a slot WR in arizona...in fact, breaston himself said last year was the first season he played the slot. boldin was always the slot in arizona with breaston opposite of fitz.

i see it like this:

breaston and bowe out wide, baldwin in the slot on 3 wr sets

wylie will also take snaps in the slot

mccluster will see alot of his touches taken from him with hillis charles and even grey in the backfield. (and as you can see the WR core is starting to get crowded). mccluster will be used but not any more than last season for sure.

---chiefs fan.

Pro Football Focus has those stats, although they're behind a paywall and only go back to 2008. Breaston's slot statistics:2008 AZ: 124 snaps, 26 targets, 21 rec, 207 yd

2009 AZ: 94 snaps, 10 targets, 6 rec, 72 yd

2010 AZ: 113 snaps, 22 targets, 15 rec, 220 yd

2011 KC: 226 snaps, 28 targets, 19 rec, 249 yd

Arizona used a lot more 3+ WR sets, so even though Breaston's yardage last year was similar to what he did in Arizona his role was different. Last year Breaston was the main slot guy - he had about as many slot snaps & yards as the rest of the receivers combined. In 2008-09 Boldin was the main slot guy in Arizona - he had over 500 yards from the slot each year. In 2010, slot play in Arizona was relatively evenly divided between Breaston, Fitz, Roberts, and Doucet.

 

[BlackMamba24]

Would have to assume that Dwayne Bowe and Jon Baldwin would be the 2 starters. Right now Bowe is holding out so Breaston is taking his reps leaving McCluster in the slot https://twitter.com/JoshLooney/statuses/205703300547493889 I love Devon Wylie and don't think McCLuster would be able to hold him off, what do you guys think? Will Hemmingway earn a role on this team? He has outstanding athleticism and seems like the perfect special teams WR4/5 type of guy for now with long term upside. It really is hard to judge his receiving ability since Denard Robinson is not conventional. Seems like he will be battling with Copper for the wr6 spot assuming McCluster doesn't lose his job and spot on roster if Wylie overtakes him.

Im not so sure Baldwin will be the starter. Last year, he played out of the slot, but since he has more time to learn the offense this year, he "should" be on the outside and move Breaston back to the slot (like he was in AZ)Wylie has a lot of potential, but has had 3 or 4 injuries in his collegiate career, so that makes me real nervous. He will def. return kicks though, so he has promise there.

I dont know if Hemingway will make the team. After The killer B's, Wylie, and McCluster, he will be the #6 WR on the team. He better be able to play ST if he wants to make it.

breaston was never a slot WR in arizona...in fact, breaston himself said last year was the first season he played the slot. boldin was always the slot in arizona with breaston opposite of fitz.

i see it like this:

breaston and bowe out wide, baldwin in the slot on 3 wr sets

wylie will also take snaps in the slot

mccluster will see alot of his touches taken from him with hillis charles and even grey in the backfield. (and as you can see the WR core is starting to get crowded). mccluster will be used but not any more than last season for sure.

---chiefs fan.

Pro Football Focus has those stats, although they're behind a paywall and only go back to 2008. Breaston's slot statistics:2008 AZ: 124 snaps, 26 targets, 21 rec, 207 yd

2009 AZ: 94 snaps, 10 targets, 6 rec, 72 yd

2010 AZ: 113 snaps, 22 targets, 15 rec, 220 yd

2011 KC: 226 snaps, 28 targets, 19 rec, 249 yd

Arizona used a lot more 3+ WR sets, so even though Breaston's yardage last year was similar to what he did in Arizona his role was different. Last year Breaston was the main slot guy - he had about as many slot snaps & yards as the rest of the receivers combined. In 2008-09 Boldin was the main slot guy in Arizona - he had over 500 yards from the slot each year. In 2010, slot play in Arizona was relatively evenly divided between Breaston, Fitz, Roberts, and Doucet.

lol...if i must...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Breaston-readies-for-variety-of-roles-in-KCs-offense/892a381b-b5f9-49d3-8cc4-f319b73f4214

“It’s funny, a lot of people are always talking about me being a slot receiver, but my whole career, I’ve been outside,” Breaston clarified. “Last year was my first year that I even attempted at being the slot"

“Even when I was at Arizona, Q (Anquan Boldin) was mainly in the slot. I played opposite of Larry (Fitzgerald) outside.”

and last year breaston was not the main slot guy...

 

[BlackMamba24]

i wouldnt say he NEVER lined up in the slot, but to say he is a slot reciever is a misconception

like the article says:

"Assuming Breaston lines up inside is a common mistake, especially when he’s put into motion."

 

[JPeso]

All I know is if Breaston keeps Baldwin in 3 WR sets only most of this year then, well, at least we will know once and for all whether or not Baldwin is good or a bum.

 

[BlackMamba24]

All I know is if Breaston keeps Baldwin in 3 WR sets only most of this year then, well, at least we will know once and for all whether or not Baldwin is good or a bum.

not sure if you can say that hes a bum so soon..reports so far this off season is hes showing some good things in practice.last season he didnt have a full off season (lockout) plus the injuries didnt help. he had todd haley and his ego coaching him, and now he has a new OC. oh and did you see who was throwing him the ball towards the end of the year? tyler palko?i do expect him to show us more this year, but i dont think you can say he is a bum after 2 years given the circumstances. i think he will see plenty of time, but KC's running attack will be the focus of the offense.

 

[JPeso]

All I know is if Breaston keeps Baldwin in 3 WR sets only most of this year then, well, at least we will know once and for all whether or not Baldwin is good or a bum.

not sure if you can say that hes a bum so soon

Of course you can't. But I never said that.

 

[BlackMamba24]

All I know is if Breaston keeps Baldwin in 3 WR sets only most of this year then, well, at least we will know once and for all whether or not Baldwin is good or a bum.

not sure if you can say that hes a bum so soon

Of course you can't. But I never said that.

the way that i interpreted it you did. i was talking about even after this year i dont think you can say he is a bum. not enough time to decide that imo

 

[JPeso]

All I know is if Breaston keeps Baldwin in 3 WR sets only most of this year then, well, at least we will know once and for all whether or not Baldwin is good or a bum.

not sure if you can say that hes a bum so soon

Of course you can't. But I never said that.

the way that i interpreted it you did. i was talking about even after this year i dont think you can say he is a bum. not enough time to decide that imo

I do think that is plenty of time, all things considered. I can safely say after year 2 of Jon Baldwin's career whether or not he "held" his value or whether or not his chances of being a successful 1st round pick go down to a 10-15% level. Breaston simply is not good enough to hold off what Baldwin should be. And if he does, something is wrong. They need him to do well or else they will be investing in another early WR next season. Which means they will give him opportunities. Breaston is not a very good player, not near what Baldwin not only could be... but should be. If he isn't starting by the mid-point it's because he isn't doing something right, and not because of Breaston. It's not only the time that needs to be weighted. All else equal, you may be correct, 2 years is not a long enough time period to come to a sound evaluation, but that isn't the case here.

 

[BlackMamba24]

we got 2 different opinions then.

all i know is im not calling him a "bum" after 2 seasons in which there was constant change all around him (even if breaston ends up ahead of him).

the chiefs are going to do whats best for the team, not our fantasy teams. if breaston is the #2 and baldwin is the #3 that doesnt necessarily mean he is a bum... and it also doesnt mean one is better than the other (see arizona when they had their big 3 at wr)

 

[JPeso]

the chiefs are going to do whats best for the team, not our fantasy teams.

Good dynasty owners use the former to achieve the latter.

 

[MAC_32]

how does the TE look in this offense? moeaki still viable?

Moeaki's issue isn't his OC, it's his ability to stay on the field. As long as he's out there he's dominant enough that Daboll will find a way to utilize him. Based on his history that's a lot to ask...

 

[BlackMamba24]

how does the TE look in this offense? moeaki still viable?

Moeaki's issue isn't his OC, it's his ability to stay on the field. As long as he's out there he's dominant enough that Daboll will find a way to utilize him. Based on his history that's a lot to ask...

agreed, but if he does return healthy (and so far it has been reported he is on track) he will be a TE worth looking at. on my team hes my 3rd TE, and i cant be any more happier than that. He has the athleticism, the question is can he stay healthy

 

[cstu]

Some changes going on at WR in KC:

Baldwin seeing his percent of snaps increase (37/22/56) the past 3 weeks.

McCluster's snaps are down (76/77/45)

Breaston is in the doghouse (37/24/0) and a healthy inactive last week.

Devon Wylie finally saw the field for 9% of snaps.



Looking ahead to 2013:

Baldwin looks like he'll take over for Bowe as the Chiefs #1.

Breaston has looked horrible and was a healthy inactive but has a fully guaranteed contract through 2015. I expect the Chiefs to draft a WR to eventually take the job but Breaston is stuck on the team.

McCluster's contract is up in 2013 and he'll be competing with Wylie to be the slot receiver. Wylie is a wild card since the talent is there and the Chiefs would love for him to win the slot WR job but he can't seem to stay healthy.

Not an exciting passing offense at the moment but they will have either Barkley or Smith at QB next year which should make a tremendous difference.

 

[cstu]

(KFFL)Kansas City Chiefs WR Jonathan Baldwin will be one of the starters at wide receiver in Week 15 with WR Dwayne Bowe (ribs) out for the rest of the year. Head coach Romeo Crennel said WRs Steve Breaston and Devon Wylie could be starting opposite of Breaston, but Crennel is unsure which player that will be. "We're going to work during the week and we're going to see who will give us the best chance in the game, and then those guys will be active," Crennel said. Breaston has disappointed with only seven catches for 74 yards this, but he is the receiver with the most experience on the current roster. He has been inactive for four of the last five games, and Crennel indicated that Breaston doesn't seem to have a strong grasp of the offense. WR Dexter McCluster has the most catches on roster in his career other than Breaston, with 108.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

McCluster had 10 targets last week. Anybody think he may be a desperation flex-type guy in a PPR league? Probably available on most wires.

 

[sooner]

I think so. Very under the radar. I think I may have to roll with him. Large league with few compelling options.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

Early projections have him VERY high in PPR.

 

[Kleck]

I'd explore McCluster more in one of my PPR leagues, but I'm already starting Charles and I really can't get passed the thought of starting two Chiefs in the Championship Game.

 

[cstu]

If you need 10 points he'll probably get them for you, but there's almost no upside.

 

[TwinTurbo]

we got 2 different opinions then.all i know is im not calling him a "bum" after 2 seasons in which there was constant change all around him (even if breaston ends up ahead of him).the chiefs are going to do whats best for the team, not our fantasy teams. if breaston is the #2 and baldwin is the #3 that doesnt necessarily mean he is a bum... and it also doesnt mean one is better than the other (see arizona when they had their big 3 at wr)

Yeah I think it's a bit too early to call Baldwin a bum yet. But Brady Quinn is a bum and the coaching staff is completely inept, so that makes Baldwin worthless at this point. Even Bowe was suffering in this horrible offense. I think it's questionable that the Chiefs are doing what's best for their team considering they don't seem to have a clue on even basic play calling.

 

[loose circuits]

Throw Avery into the mix and this gets even messier. Guess Baldwin will never get his shot. Hope Devon Wylie does, but I guess there was a reason he didn't play fulltime in college

 

[cstu]

Throw Avery into the mix and this gets even messier. Guess Baldwin will never get his shot. Hope Devon Wylie does, but I guess there was a reason he didn't play fulltime in college

It's a mess. I don't buy Avery (too many drops) and his contract is essentially a 1 year $2.5M deal. As for Baldwin, I expect nothing this year. Maybe he develops but it's a long shot as this point. McCluster is in the last year of his contract and Wylie has to prove himself (by that I mean stay healthy) if he is going to take over for him next year.

 

[Gawain]

Not an exciting passing offense at the moment but they will have either Barkley or Smith at QB next year which should make a tremendous difference.

This wasn't the Smith you were looking for [/obiwankenobi]

 

[cstu]

Not an exciting passing offense at the moment but they will have either Barkley or Smith at QB next year which should make a tremendous difference.

This wasn't the Smith you were looking for [/obiwankenobi]

 

[Shanahanigans]

What are people's thoughts about Bowe going forward? Granted, I've never been a big fan, but I am worried that Alex Smith doesn't seem to throw very much to his WR1, at least he didn't with Crabtree, and this could lead to a down year for Bowe. That being said, he had Matt Cassell throwing to him last year so I don't see how it could get much worse.