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I know, I know. Someone will come and immediately say you can't determine if it's been a good draft until several years down the line. There it's said so nobody needs to come in and say it.

THAT SAID.... KC looks like they have at least three new starters with Dorsey/Albert/Flowers and they still have three picks in the third round coming up. Looks great so far in KC, especially considering they got their OLman despite the big run on them.

 
Dorsey was a steal. Peterson should send thank you notes to Al Davis and Arthur Blank for having such inept franchises.

 
Despyzer said:
Dorsey was a steal. Peterson should send thank you notes to Al Davis and Arthur Blank for having such inept franchises.
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Blank was in a hard position, this seemed to be more about moving past Vick.Carl and Lamar have been thanking Al for years now.
 
It wasn't bad - but remember they gave up a top DL to get many of these picks. The number of picks will help them out for the future - Dorsey vs Allen may be a wash or a net negative at least for this coming season. Dorsey is a little nicked up as well.

 
I have a very large KC bias but I definitely agree they had one of the best drafts possible with their picks. I was hoping the Chiefs would have traded up to 10 or 11 and taken Clady, but if Branden Albert can play tackle then there is no loss. The Falcons seemed to really screw up by not taking Dorsey and he couldn't have come at a better time to KC. I don't know much about Flowers in the 2nd but taking a corner sounds good.

Does everyone agree that their ound 3 needs are:

WR

DE

OT (another)

QB

 
safariplanet said:
I have a very large KC bias but I definitely agree they had one of the best drafts possible with their picks. I was hoping the Chiefs would have traded up to 10 or 11 and taken Clady, but if Branden Albert can play tackle then there is no loss. The Falcons seemed to really screw up by not taking Dorsey and he couldn't have come at a better time to KC. I don't know much about Flowers in the 2nd but taking a corner sounds good.Does everyone agree that their ound 3 needs are:WRDEOT (another)QB
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Why isn't QB #1? just wondering.
 
massraider said:
safariplanet said:
I have a very large KC bias but I definitely agree they had one of the best drafts possible with their picks. I was hoping the Chiefs would have traded up to 10 or 11 and taken Clady, but if Branden Albert can play tackle then there is no loss. The Falcons seemed to really screw up by not taking Dorsey and he couldn't have come at a better time to KC. I don't know much about Flowers in the 2nd but taking a corner sounds good.Does everyone agree that their ound 3 needs are:WRDEOT (another)QB
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Why isn't QB #1? just wondering.
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Croyle has never had a chance. You can't give up on him with that horrible line we had last year not protecting him. If anything DE should be ahead of WR though.
 
The fact they traded away Jared Allen...is that included in this draft grade? I love Dorsey for them, herm Edwards gets his Warren Sapp, and I like the OL they took at 1.15

I do think the enthusiasm has to be tempered a little bit with the loss of Allen.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
The fact they traded away Jared Allen...is that included in this draft grade? I love Dorsey for them, herm Edwards gets his Warren Sapp, and I like the OL they took at 1.15I do think the enthusiasm has to be tempered a little bit with the loss of Allen.
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What you have to understand though is, Chiefs fans were very concerned that the first round would look something like Clady at 5 and Merling at 17 to go along with losing Allen. Losing Allen obviously hurts, but executing as well as they did today lessens the blow.
 
Fundamentally sound draft by the Chiefs. They added some nice pieces and came out of the Jared Allen situation about as well as can be expected. This team still has a long way to go but today was definetly a step in the right direction.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
The fact they traded away Jared Allen...is that included in this draft grade? I love Dorsey for them, herm Edwards gets his Warren Sapp, and I like the OL they took at 1.15I do think the enthusiasm has to be tempered a little bit with the loss of Allen.
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That's true but Allen was mentally finished with the Chiefs before last season. He simply wouldn't have taken a long-term contract from them. That and the Chiefs couldn't have gotten more leverage for him than being the 26 year old sack leader that he is after last year, this year's sub-par DE draft lineup, and Allen's personal issues that have since gotten him into trouble with the NFL and present a fair liability to a team. Not to mention the money that was saved. Dorsey may not even get half of Allen's contract.
 
Love hearing all the networks and you all applauding KC. The only reason I can give for this good of a draft is that they locked Carl Peterson in a room!

Or, Carl has finally taken a backseat in the draft war room.

I would have really like to still have that 66th overall to pick early tomorrow, because I think there is value out there now @ OG, C and CB. But they pick now @ 73, 76 and 82, so so hopefully there is not a run on OL to begin tomorrow. I was hacked when Pollak and P. Lee went late, but you can't get everyone you want that late.

The thing that made this a great day is that they took all three players below when the market had them projected. Especially landing Albert @ 15 when some people had him going @ 5.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Give them an A so far.Would give A+ if they could draft a new coach.
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They have an A grade from me as well right now.Dorsey was a gift, though I agree Blank was in a bad spot. He needs a new face for the franchise. I understand that pick.I GET the McFadden/Raiders thign and we knew it ws coming - but it still was not the right move.Still - KC could have gone many worse ways and didn't with any pick, IMO.Good work on day 1.
 
Nice combination of luck and not blowing it. Got the two best guys they could have possibly gotten with the first rounders where they were and met a pressing need in the 2nd.

Couldn't have gone better if they'd scripted it.

 
Too bad the Cowboys didn't suck last year, then trade Demarcus Ware for picks, so that everybody could be raving about their excellent draft today.

 
I laugh at all the love KC is getting today. If you're gonna grade their draft, you have to include the loss of last years NFL sack leader - Jared Allen. It was boderline insanity for KC to trade him away for the 17th overall pick. KC is just getting love because they had a lot of high draft picks. Whoopdee doo.

If the Patriots traded away Tom Brady for a 1st Rounder, you wouldn't say they did well if they drafted Matt Ryan.

The Chiefs and the NFL already know that Jared Allen is a STUD. Glenn Dorsey can still be a bust.

 
It's a loss but I don't think some of you (read: above) understand. Jared Allen was more unhappy with his team than Lance Briggs was with his. With Allen it wasn't about the money, he was getting p-a-i-d either way. He would've been franchised multiple years in a row by the Chiefs and came out on the market with a near triple digit contract in a few years. He's been wanting a trade since he had his RFA tender last year. He's not as vocally abrasive as Chad Johnson is nowadays but he made it clear to the Chiefs organization that he didn't want to play here anymore. Can you really get a whole lot better than 3 sub-100 picks?

 
For all the people reminding us "Don't forget losing Allen" I'd just like to remind them of a couple things;

- We still don't know what they got for Allen because they still have the two third rounders to pick which(if they were WR and/or OL) could very easily end up being starters. There are a lot of WR's out there yet. Manningham, Doucet, Hawkins, Caldwell, Bennett and Burton.

- If they hadn't traded Allen they likely would have had to reach for their OLman at pick #5, a LOT of people had projected to take one of the OLman at the 5th pick(when it was assumed Dorsey would be off the board).

 
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BoltBacker said:
For all the people reminding us "Don't forget losing Allen" I'd just like to remind them of a couple things;- We still don't know what they got for Allen because they still have the two third rounders to pick which(if they were WR and/or OL) could very easily end up being starters. There are a lot of WR's out there yet. Manningham, Doucet, Hawkins, Caldwell, Bennett and Burton.- If they hadn't traded Allen they likely would have had to reach for their OLman at pick #5, a LOT of people had projected to take one of the OLman at the 5th pick(when it was assumed Dorsey would be off the board).
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:yes: Very nice draft for you KC guys out there. 3 major needs were addressed. I thought getting Albert at 15 was a great value since he can play multiple positions. Overall very nice work. :excited:
 
NFL network guys love the Charles pick. I didn't like it. He doesn't seem to fit to me. His weaknesses are that he doesn't run inside, he fumbles too much, and he isn't the brightest crayon in the box and has trouble with pass protection. So he's a 1st/2nd down only back. I guess he's a true backup to LJ and he is a real home run threat but there were other more pressing needs. Reggie Smith on the other hand is a pretty solid pick. I think he's more free safety than corner though.

I'd like to see them spend the last 3rd rounder on a WR or a DE.

 
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Wow, RB/TE/S in the third. I'm kind of shocked they didn't get a WR with one of those. They are starting Darling/Webb across from Bowe as it stands right now.

 
FUBAR said:
Despyzer said:
Dorsey was a steal. Peterson should send thank you notes to Al Davis and Arthur Blank for having such inept franchises.
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Blank was in a hard position, this seemed to be more about moving past Vick.Carl and Lamar have been thanking Al for years now.
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The biggest choice Al Davis should be making nowadays is whether to have tapioca pudding or yogurt for dessert after his strained vegetables. Blank's position was "hard" only if your priority was anything other than winning. The joke here is that attendance and sales of merchandise are secondary anyway for a team like Atlanta to TV revenue, which is unaffected by popularity of a draft pick. Getting the "face of the franchise" in Matt Ryan (even if you think that a guy that dorky even qualifies for that label) was a waste of time to begin with. Draft Dorsey, then draft Brohm or Henne or whoever (except Flacco, I guess) you like the most at 2.02, and move along. The Falcons are idiots, and unlike Al Davis can't even blame owner senility for the insanity. They simply suck.
 
I agree that KC is having a great draft, but I'm kind of tired of hearing the talking heads on tv slobbering over them. Dorsey was a complete gift, and otherwise they just seem to have done a good job of not obviously whiffing on any picks so far. It's easy to come away with a lot of talent when you have a ton of picks and take advantage of guys sliding to you.

 
They just had the picks. I hate when people talk about how great a team drafted when that team had extra picks and high picks combined.

They had the 5th pick in a draft with 5 top prospects.

They had an extra first round pick in the middle of the round.

They had a high second round pick.

On the other hand, other teams had 0-2 picks, lower picks, and picks outside the top 5 prospects.

KC didnt screw it up, but they won this draft before it even started.

 
BoltBacker said:
Wow, RB/TE/S in the third. I'm kind of shocked they didn't get a WR with one of those. They are starting Darling/Webb across from Bowe as it stands right now.
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Yeah, it's a focus on depth when they have already plainly stated they are rebuilding. I suppose if they are all solid value guys who you had ranked much higher than this, it makes some sense, but failing to address some obvious holes while taking backups to your probowl caliber players does leave you scratching your head a bit. This offense is going to continue to really struggle this year.
 
The Chiefs WERE having a great draft . They already have ALOT of money tied up in a RB and TE and still need lots of help at the OL and a WR. I think they completely blew their golden 3rd round. They didn't address needs at all here, instead they drafted 3 back-ups for at least the next 2 years. Nice job Carl, you fool.

 
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They just had the picks. I hate when people talk about how great a team drafted when that team had extra picks and high picks combined.
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I agree that draft assessment needs to be based upon the question, "What did you get from your draft picks?", and that that should include not only draft selections but trades of draft picks to other teams. Poo-pooing KC's draft because "they just had the picks" is specious though. Detroit's "had the picks" for years and botched things pretty severely, and I have a feeling that Atlanta fans will dispute how "obvious" it is for a team to get the right pick. They've done an excellent job identifying talent that has been available at the time they've drafted, and they've snatched that talent. It's even fit well with their needs. What more are they supposed to do to have a good draft?
 
kc_syndicate said:
The Chiefs WERE having a great draft . They already have ALOT of money tied up in a RB and TE and still need lots of help at the OL and a WR. I think they completely blew their golden 3rd round. They didn't address needs at all here, instead they drafted 3 back-ups for at least the next 2 years. Nice job Carl, you fool.
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Seems to me there were guys that could start still on the board for those picks but I can understand the case for Charles(LJ coming off injury and paid a ton of $) and Cottam(compliments Gonzo and Gonzo is getting up there in age) but the Morgan pick is pretty perplexing to me. Pollard/Page are very solid and the obvioud picks like you say would be WR or OL or DE but I could even be sold on a CB to groom to replace Surtain or a LB to groom to replace Edwards. One of the only positions they didn't need was S.I really thought they could have come away with 6 starters in the first 3 rounds.
 
Only head scratcher for me is Charles

Cottam is essentially replacing Jason Dunn, who was HUGELY IMPORTANT in the running game. TE was a definite need for KC.

The Safety projects as a nice cover-2 CB from what I have read.

What this tells me is that they think there is value @ OL in rounds 4 and 5.

 
Kevin Ashcraft said:
The Safety projects as a nice cover-2 CB from what I have read.What this tells me is that they think there is value @ OL in rounds 4 and 5.
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That pick would make a lot more sense if he can play CB. I guess only time will tell.I was just looking over the third round(because SD also passed on OL) and it jumped out to me that very few OL were taken in the third.
 
KC fans should be familiar with Franklin. What say ye? Think he'll beat out Darling/Webb across from Bowe?

Haven't read much about Franklin but Caldwell/Manningham/Douglas/Doucet seemed to be rated higher by almost everyone.

 
I will cringe if Webb or Franklin have to start opposite Bowe.....hell I would rather sign David Boston than have those guys start.

 
Kevin Ashcraft said:
Only head scratcher for me is Charles
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Not really when you think about it. 1) What team is not going to a 1-2 RB scheme. 2) There are more miles on those legs then people thing. 3) Their depth at RB was below average going into the draft. I think it is quality pick at that late in the draft. Gives them a change of pace back on 3rd down who can get in the open field and make something happen. As Croyle will have to start using the check downs or will soon find his INT ratio quite high.
 
Kevin Ashcraft said:
I will cringe if Webb or Franklin have to start opposite Bowe.....hell I would rather sign David Boston than have those guys start.
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I guess I'm the only one liking the Franklin pick. He has terrific speed (ran a 4.3) but isn't one of those smaller burner guys that can get shut down at the line (he's 6' 1" - 215 lbs.). Most WRs will be limited in their first season - which may be what you were referring to - but I like his chances once he develops. :thumbup:
 
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