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Kelvin Benjamin - WR - FSU [UPDATE PAGE 1, 7/3] (1 Viewer)

Speaking Thursday, Panthers coach Ron Rivera said Kelvin Benjamin (ACL) was in "pretty doggone good form."
Rivera stopped just short of declaring Benjamin all the way back to top form. "Kelvin's retention as far what we're doing, he handled that really well by the way he ran the routes and attacked the football," Rivera said of Benjamin's year on the sideline. "There will be a lot of good things for us to see on tape." Benjamin seems like an obvious overdraft candidate coming off a ridiculously inefficient rookie year followed by a torn ACL, but his WR18 price tag isn't absurd. Someone has to score touchdowns in the Panthers' high-octane offense. WR2 is not out of reach for the third-year pro.

 
 
Source: Associated Press 
Jul 28 - 9:51 PM
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Panthers coach Ron Rivera said Sunday that Kelvin Benjamin has struggled with conditioning during camp.
Rivera said the goal is to get Benjamin to "where he can handle 30-35 snaps by the end of the preseason." Benjamin has reportedly been getting "winded" after running deep routes. Benjamin has struggled with conditioning and his weight in the past, making this a situation to monitor. The Panthers used a four-way receiver committee last year, something they could re-implement if Benjamin can't open the season capable of playing full complements of snaps.

 
 
Source: ESPN.com 
Aug 14 - 6:01 PM
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Kelvin Benjamin will play without a brace on his surgically-repaired knee.
"If you put something on him and it prohibits him from being who he is, you don't gain anything," coach Ron Rivera said. "I would like to see him wear it but he says he feels good and the doctors say he's doing well. So we'll just keep our fingers crossed." It's actually good news, as Benjamin seems to have already gotten past the trust issues that sometimes plague players coming off major injury. Currently being drafted as a mid-range WR2, Benjamin is going a bit high for our liking, but will be heavily targeted.

 
 
Source: NFL.com 
Aug 18 - 3:41 PM
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Pantherclub I couldn't understand why so many were down on him. I guess short memories. He was great as a rookie and you know he's going to be even better after that year experience and watching and studying all last year. Top 5-10 potential seems very realistic if people expect Cam to continue his level of play. 

 
I don't know how good Benjamin will be this year but what baffles me is the sudden hype in Funchess.  I think there were several FG emails suggesting Funchess might be the new #1.  Can't figure out where that hype is/was coming from, but I'll take Benjamin all day, every day over Funchess.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
I don't know how good Benjamin will be this year but what baffles me is the sudden hype in Funchess.  I think there were several FG emails suggesting Funchess might be the new #1.  Can't figure out where that hype is/was coming from, but I'll take Benjamin all day, every day over Funchess.
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for sure. I still see Ginn as a big contributor too

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
I don't know how good Benjamin will be this year but what baffles me is the sudden hype in Funchess.  I think there were several FG emails suggesting Funchess might be the new #1.  Can't figure out where that hype is/was coming from, but I'll take Benjamin all day, every day over Funchess.
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The reason is people didn't like KB to begin with.

There would be bigger hype, except that those same people didn't like Funchess either.

 
Any updates?  Projections?  Homers?

He seems to be going late 3rd round in mocks I've done.  Any believers out there?

 
http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Proehl-These-receivers-have-bought-in/1c1f9b70-5093-4230-9694-bd0156f789be

“To be honest with you, where Devin is right now and where Kelvin needs to get to, I think Devin is pushing Kelvin,” wide receivers coach Ricky Proehl said. “He’s realizing, ‘I’ve got to get back, I’ve got to push, because this guy (Funchess) is pretty dang good.’

“That’s the beauty of it.”

In addition to Funchess’ rise, the torn ACL Benjamin suffered during last year’s training camp is an obvious factor.

“It’s a process coming off a surgery like that. But I like what I see,” Proehl said. “He’s catching the ball great. It’s a plan we have getting him in football shape. His wind is good, but now it’s different from the rehab and OTAs when you’ve got the pads on. He’s going to be sore in places he hasn’t been sore in two years. That’s where he continues to progress.”
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Pretty quiet in here. Haven't really seen anything on KB in the news either. Feels like a buy low spot right now. 

 
Biabreakable said:
Yet Benjamins rookie season was more efficient than Funchess rookie season, and Benjamins rookie season was not at all efficient.
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Funchess was 22 playing in the NFL. When KB was 22 he was playing college football on the best team in the country with the best college QB and wasn't able to get 850 yards during the regular season. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
Funchess was 22 playing in the NFL. When KB was 22 he was playing college football on the best team in the country with the best college QB and wasn't able to get 850 yards during the regular season. 
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Yeah I am not saying either of them are good. Being younger I suppose gives more hope of the player improving. I understand people care about break out age for college players.

Based on how both of them have played in the NFL thus far, neither have been very good. Benjamin did command almost 3 times as many targets his rookie season than Funchess did.

Both only have rookie seasons in the NFL which usually does not reflect how they will play for their careers.

My main point here is that if people don't think Benjamin is good then they shouldn't think Funchess is good either, because he wasn't. Being younger does not make him so.

 
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Biabreakable said:
Yeah I am not saying either of them are good. Being younger I suppose gives more hope of the player improving. I understand people care about break out age for college players.

Based on how both of them have played in the NFL thus far, neither have been very good. Benjamin did command almost 3 times as many targets his rookie season than Funchess did.

Both only have rookie seasons in the NFL which usually does not reflect how they will play for their careers.

My main point here is that if people don't think Benjamin is good then they shouldn't think Funchess is good either, because he wasn't. Being younger does not make him so.
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Agree. 

 
Newton annually attempts 460-490 passes and about 60% of that goes to his WRs. My biggest question/concern is how the pie is going to be divvied up between Benjamin, Ginn and Funchess.

It seems most people are projecting for Benjamin to see somewhere between 100-120 targets. I'm afraid, given his rookie year efficiency, that he isn't going to see the requisite volume to be anything more than a WR3 in PPR. Even assuming he improves on his 50% catch rate, it still wouldn't be enough.

 
SameSongNDance said:
Newton annually attempts 460-490 passes and about 60% of that goes to his WRs. My biggest question/concern is how the pie is going to be divvied up between Benjamin, Ginn and Funchess.

It seems most people are projecting for Benjamin to see somewhere between 100-120 targets. I'm afraid, given his rookie year efficiency, that he isn't going to see the requisite volume to be anything more than a WR3 in PPR. Even assuming he improves on his 50% catch rate, it still wouldn't be enough.
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Don't be surprised to see the passing numbers go up. The best part of the Panthers O right now is not the running game. The best part is the WRs/Olsen. Based on what we've seen in preseason, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Newton's attempts go up quite a bit.

 
Got KB at the the start of the 4th round. I am excited to see what he does this year, I think he could end up being a low end WR1. Funchess doesnt worry me at all.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Got KB at the the start of the 4th round. I am excited to see what he does this year, I think he could end up being a low end WR1. Funchess doesnt worry me at all.
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Thats a steal.  I would imagine if he has another good game showing his speed, ability to muscle the ball away from corners and make a couple more tough catches then he bolts to the start of the 3rd.

Edit- I see where in MML he is going 3.12 so thats about right KP.  I just think that is too low for him assuming the knee is 100% and it looks to be so.

 
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Biabreakable said:
Yeah I am not saying either of them are good. Being younger I suppose gives more hope of the player improving. I understand people care about break out age for college players.

Based on how both of them have played in the NFL thus far, neither have been very good. Benjamin did command almost 3 times as many targets his rookie season than Funchess did.

Both only have rookie seasons in the NFL which usually does not reflect how they will play for their careers.

My main point here is that if people don't think Benjamin is good then they shouldn't think Funchess is good either, because he wasn't. Being younger does not make him so.
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Funchess was very good when given targets. He was more efficient than Ted Ginn.

In 4 games of 6 or more targets, Devin Funchess YPT was 8.2. In the other 12 games: 6.9.

In games 1-8 where Devin Funchess got 4 or more Targets, Cam Newton had a higher YPA: 8.2 vs 6.7.

In games 9-16 where Devin Funchess got 4 or more Targets, Cam Newton also had a higher YPA: 9.1 vs 7.1

In games 1-8, Cam Newton had a lower YPA when Ted Ginn had 7 or more Targets VS less than 7 Targets: 6.6 VS 8.3.

In games 9-16, Cam Newton had a lower YPA when Ted Ginn had 7 or more Targets VS less than 7 Targets: 7.8 vs 8.7.

 
Xue said:
Funchess was very good when given targets. He was more efficient than Ted Ginn.

In 4 games of 6 or more targets, Devin Funchess YPT was 8.2. In the other 12 games: 6.9.

In games 1-8 where Devin Funchess got 4 or more Targets, Cam Newton had a higher YPA: 8.2 vs 6.7.

In games 9-16 where Devin Funchess got 4 or more Targets, Cam Newton also had a higher YPA: 9.1 vs 7.1

In games 1-8, Cam Newton had a lower YPA when Ted Ginn had 7 or more Targets VS less than 7 Targets: 6.6 VS 8.3.

In games 9-16, Cam Newton had a lower YPA when Ted Ginn had 7 or more Targets VS less than 7 Targets: 7.8 vs 8.7.
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hmmm being more efficient than Ted Ginn does not seem like something to hang your hat on.

Not sure what to make of those splits.

Neither player was very efficient, really poor catch rates for both of them, that seems to be pretty much across the board for WR with Newton. Funchess did have 7.5 YPT compared to Benjamin's 6.95 YPT so slightly better for Funchess there.

We could dig out the college stats and compare those I suppose.

I am not advocating for Benjamin at his current ADP. I am just saying that Funchess wasn't really better than Benjamin as a rookie, they were both pretty inefficient.

 
Anyone have a report out on last nights game.  Judging from the box score Funchess had a serious amount of targets compared to KB. 

 
ThePassion said:
Anyone have a report out on last nights game.  Judging from the box score Funchess had a serious amount of targets compared to KB. 
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Here you can access the game books that have this information. Use the password media.

Ginn 42 snaps (51%) 6 targets (5) 2 receptions  (33%)18 yards .14 targets/snap 3 YPT
Benjamin 34 snaps (41%) 6 targets (4) 3 receptions (1) (50%) 27 yards .18 targets/snap 4.5 YPT
Funchess 25 snaps (30%) 10 targets (9) 5 receptions (50%) 49 yards .4 targets/snap 4.9 YPT

The numbers in parenthesis are how many targets or receptions the player had in the 1st half.

Looks like Funchess was targeted a lot in the first drive and half. Ginn and Benjamin got targets as well but Benjamin only had one catch at half time. He added a couple more in the 3rd quarter before the starters rested.

Funchess had twice as many targets per snap as Ginn or Benjamin who played more snaps than Funchess did.

None of the efficiency numbers are good for any of these guys. Low catch rate and yards per target for all of them.

Ted Ginn  :X

 
Panthers coach Ron Rivera confirms he'll try to limit Kelvin Benjamin to around 35 snaps in Sunday's opener.
The Charlotte Observer first reported the number on Saturday. Benjamin's conditioning isn't quite up to snuff as he returns from his year-plus absence. Squaring off with the Broncos' elite defense, Benjamin will be more of a WR4 than WR2/3 with the training wheels on.

 
 
Source: Max Henson on Twitter 
Sep 5 - 2:46 PM
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Speaking Tuesday, Panthers coach Ron Rivera said Kelvin Benjamin may not play as many snaps as he did as a rookie, and that he wants to spread out the playing time more at receiver.

Benjamin played 948 snaps in 2014, which was good for the 15th most in the league at receiver. The Panthers have since reacquired Ted Ginn and developed Devin Funchess. Rivera's comments make sense on paper, but Benjamin is still Carolina's most important receiver. Perhaps his snaps will be dialed back a bit, especially early on as he gets his conditioning in order, but playing time should not be a concern.

 
 
Source: Steve Reed on Twitter 
Sep 6 - 1:50 PM
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Its funny, in one league I'm keeping KB in the 7th and I'm not really thrilled about it. How this guy is going in the 4th is still beyond me.

 
SameSongNDance said:
Its funny, in one league I'm keeping KB in the 7th and I'm not really thrilled about it. How this guy is going in the 4th is still beyond me.
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Round based keepers are all dependent on your other options but Id be liking KB as a 7th rounder. I thought his ADP was solid based on all the surrounding circumstances but if they will limit his snaps Im concerned. Could just be coach-speak though. He looked really good to me in the preseason and is the clear #1 WR for a top 5 QB.

 
Ok guess he is back. So much for the he is out of shape garbage talk. Hoping stashing him on my bench doesn't cost me a win.

 
lazyike said:
Ok guess he is back. So much for the he is out of shape garbage talk. Hoping stashing him on my bench doesn't cost me a win.
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Just goes to show how meaningless preseason is. All I heard the last few weeks on Sirius fantasy is how Funchess will be the #1

 
When I read that 35 snap count stuff yesterday I kind of smelled BS. Benjamin has looked good in the preseason, totally healthy, no reason to suspect he wasn't in game shape that would put him on a snap count. Obviously still early, but Im guessing KB will be on the field 80%+ of the time for the duration of the game.

 
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