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Kelvin Benjamin - WR - FSU [UPDATE PAGE 1, 7/3] (4 Viewers)

Packets got a much better player in round 2 with Adams.
true, and I am not a fan of Benjamin.

Still, watch in the preseason. Benjamin will catch a TD pass or two from Cam and the hype train will start up. He will shoot up boards. Meanwhile Adams will toil in the 2nd half of games, and he will slip some due to the lack of (forseeable) playing time in 2014.

This stuff happens every year.

 
Who is Carolina's #2 WR? I could see it being a problem if he is double teamed too much. Is it just Benjamin and Olsen? Didn't really do much to help Cam out...

 
Maybe they can make a run at Santonio Holmes, Miles Austin, or Denario Alexander. If one of those guys is healthy they could give Cam another target. Tiquan Underwood isn't anything special, but he could be a guy to keep on fantasy radars in deep leagues. If they don't get anyone besides Cotchery, then he could see a decent amount of playing time.

 
Maybe they can make a run at Santonio Holmes, Miles Austin, or Denario Alexander. If one of those guys is healthy they could give Cam another target. Tiquan Underwood isn't anything special, but he could be a guy to keep on fantasy radars in deep leagues. If they don't get anyone besides Cotchery, then he could see a decent amount of playing time.
They also have Jason Avant and Tavarres King.

 
I no longer live in Charlotte, but supposedly Greg Cosell was on the local radio in CLT this morning absolutely raving about Benjamin.

Cosell has been a rather trusted evaluator...
He was on last week and then again today. He believes he's a better "route runner" than Evans, just slower. Believes he's as good or better in every measurable except speed. However, he also acknowledges that "router runner" as a measurable is laughable given every single WR coming into the NFL has to learn how to run NFL routes, so he doesn't really see the point in even talking about it. When he comes on the radio, it's my favorite 10ish minutes of the day. The guy is unreal and gives some pretty good insight outside the "draft :hophead: talking points" that really mean nothing.
Cosell is my favorite evaluator but this is one evaluation I don't agree with. His hands aren't nearly as good as Evans.
He needs to work on his focus with respect to "routine" plays. In the air and on difficult catches, I wouldn't take anyone else out of this class...including Evans. He'll make an unbelievable catch and exhibit unreal body control in the air then drop a ball where he's all by himself as it hits him in the numbers.
Listening to the naysayers, he won't be able to get much separation, so maybe he won't have to worry about dropping many routine, uncontested balls. ;)

Either way, the spaces get tighter moving to the NFL for all WRs and for all of the things Benjamin may lack, he can go get a ball in (or above) traffic.
I laugh, along with Cosell, about that the "separation" shtick. Dude is 6 foot 5. Out of the gate he has separation. I'm interesting in ctsu's breakdown on what he sees on tape when it comes to Benjiman. I don't watch tape like Cosell and apparently ctsu. I just see the games on TV. All I know is Ricky wanted him, Cosell is on board. I guess time will tell.
I don't watch any college football and look only at the break downs. Because of that I don't get caught up in emotion over team wins and certain plays (like Benjamin's winning TD). I don't completely ignore those things but I look mainly at technique and how I think a player's skills will translate.

There are skills that Benjamin possesses that leave the door open for him to become a good WR but I've backed off of developmental WR's in recent years. As a 2nd round rookie pick, sure, roll the dice, but he's not a 1st round pick and there are players I prefer in the early 2nd as well.
So what exactly was it you watched if you didn't watch his college ball? What "break downs" are you talking about? The combine? His pro day?

 
I no longer live in Charlotte, but supposedly Greg Cosell was on the local radio in CLT this morning absolutely raving about Benjamin.

Cosell has been a rather trusted evaluator...
He was on last week and then again today. He believes he's a better "route runner" than Evans, just slower. Believes he's as good or better in every measurable except speed. However, he also acknowledges that "router runner" as a measurable is laughable given every single WR coming into the NFL has to learn how to run NFL routes, so he doesn't really see the point in even talking about it. When he comes on the radio, it's my favorite 10ish minutes of the day. The guy is unreal and gives some pretty good insight outside the "draft :hophead: talking points" that really mean nothing.
Cosell is my favorite evaluator but this is one evaluation I don't agree with. His hands aren't nearly as good as Evans.
He needs to work on his focus with respect to "routine" plays. In the air and on difficult catches, I wouldn't take anyone else out of this class...including Evans. He'll make an unbelievable catch and exhibit unreal body control in the air then drop a ball where he's all by himself as it hits him in the numbers.
Listening to the naysayers, he won't be able to get much separation, so maybe he won't have to worry about dropping many routine, uncontested balls. ;)

Either way, the spaces get tighter moving to the NFL for all WRs and for all of the things Benjamin may lack, he can go get a ball in (or above) traffic.
I laugh, along with Cosell, about that the "separation" shtick. Dude is 6 foot 5. Out of the gate he has separation. I'm interesting in ctsu's breakdown on what he sees on tape when it comes to Benjiman. I don't watch tape like Cosell and apparently ctsu. I just see the games on TV. All I know is Ricky wanted him, Cosell is on board. I guess time will tell.
I don't watch any college football and look only at the break downs. Because of that I don't get caught up in emotion over team wins and certain plays (like Benjamin's winning TD). I don't completely ignore those things but I look mainly at technique and how I think a player's skills will translate.

There are skills that Benjamin possesses that leave the door open for him to become a good WR but I've backed off of developmental WR's in recent years. As a 2nd round rookie pick, sure, roll the dice, but he's not a 1st round pick and there are players I prefer in the early 2nd as well.
So what exactly was it you watched if you didn't watch his college ball? What "break downs" are you talking about? The combine? His pro day?
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/kelvin-benjamin/

When I say I don't watch CFB I mean I generally don't watch much of players until after the season.

 
Benjamin = Baldwin

Both late 1st round reaches who fantasy owners will value too highly for years to come.

In Benjamin's favor is Cam, who is well above anything Baldwin had at QB his first two years, and little competition so he should produce better right away. You could probably trade him next year to someone excited about his upside.
Disagree. How do you compare Baldwin to Benjamin? The dude is WAY more talented than Baldwin on all sorts of levels. He may not produce RIGHT away. But once the chemistry is developed, the Cam/Benjamin connect is one QB/WR combinations the NFL is going to enjoy for years to come. Cam has needed that WR1 since he was drafted. Steve Smith did him well and all, but a 6'5" 230-240 pound WR is exactly what they needed since he was drafted. The past few months I have been praying Carolina would draft Benjamin, and it happened. So we will see!

 
Another tweener WR/TE and I don't recall ever seeing one amount to anything fantasy wise as a WR. Some will bring up Colston, but he really never was TE size. Now if they move him to TE my ears may perk up.
He might have TE size, but I don't believe the Panthers intend to play him there.

 
As a Panthers fan, I'm hoping in dead wrong. I'm not sold on Benjamin, but he is huge and Proehl really, really wanted him from all accounts.

Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap. The bigger concerns for me are low football IQ/intelligence and his former coaches saying he was a slow learner too. I realize he doesn't need to know a full route tree to run down and catch it, but... Gotta know enough to get on the field.

I'd have sure as hell felt better about it if they'd have drafted Allen Robinson in the 2nd to go with him, though I agree Ealy was a great value.

 
Benjamin = Baldwin

Both late 1st round reaches who fantasy owners will value too highly for years to come.

In Benjamin's favor is Cam, who is well above anything Baldwin had at QB his first two years, and little competition so he should produce better right away. You could probably trade him next year to someone excited about his upside.
Disagree. How do you compare Baldwin to Benjamin? The dude is WAY more talented than Baldwin on all sorts of levels. He may not produce RIGHT away. But once the chemistry is developed, the Cam/Benjamin connect is one QB/WR combinations the NFL is going to enjoy for years to come. Cam has needed that WR1 since he was drafted. Steve Smith did him well and all, but a 6'5" 230-240 pound WR is exactly what they needed since he was drafted. The past few months I have been praying Carolina would draft Benjamin, and it happened. So we will see!
In what way is he more talented than Baldwin? He looks like an far less athletic Baldwin to me.
 
He will prove the naysayers wrong.. I love the kid and think he can be a better Alshon... I will take that guys how about you? I think he is plenty athletic and talented and people are just idiots and scouts alike that overanalyze everything and try to get cute in their analys to bring some kind of light upon them like they are prophetic.. Just watch the kid play he has talent and could be a great wr no question about that.

 
Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.
I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.
Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.
Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01

 
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Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.
I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.
Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.
Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01
Benjamin has almost 30 lbs. on Bryant (some would to his detriment) but Bryant outperformed him on every metric at the combine by a good margin.

Despite the weight advantage, Benjamin did 13 bench reps to Bryant's 16.

 
Bryant is very talented. He has a chance to be special. Greg Cosell is high on his potential.

The Steelers couldn't do much better with a 4th.

I expect a redshirt year in 2014, but he could do great thing in 2015 and beyond.

 
He will prove the naysayers wrong.. I love the kid and think he can be a better Alshon... I will take that guys how about you? I think he is plenty athletic and talented and people are just idiots and scouts alike that overanalyze everything and try to get cute in their analys to bring some kind of light upon them like they are prophetic.. Just watch the kid play he has talent and could be a great wr no question about that.
Who listens to media scouts or analysts? Teams never tip their draft hand, their drafts boards rarely match the analysts.

 
He will prove the naysayers wrong.. I love the kid and think he can be a better Alshon... I will take that guys how about you? I think he is plenty athletic and talented and people are just idiots and scouts alike that overanalyze everything and try to get cute in their analys to bring some kind of light upon them like they are prophetic.. Just watch the kid play he has talent and could be a great wr no question about that.
Who listens to media scouts or analysts? Teams never tip their draft hand, their drafts boards rarely match the analysts.
while you are generally right, for whatever reason there was a ton of buzz in the days leading up that the Panthers had a hard on for KB. I thought it was a smoke screen but apparently not.

 
He will prove the naysayers wrong.. I love the kid and think he can be a better Alshon... I will take that guys how about you? I think he is plenty athletic and talented and people are just idiots and scouts alike that overanalyze everything and try to get cute in their analys to bring some kind of light upon them like they are prophetic.. Just watch the kid play he has talent and could be a great wr no question about that.
Who listens to media scouts or analysts? Teams never tip their draft hand, their drafts boards rarely match the analysts.
while you are generally right, for whatever reason there was a ton of buzz in the days leading up that the Panthers had a hard on for KB. I thought it was a smoke screen but apparently not.
Did not hear the buzz, but you seem to be a Panther fan so you likely would.

I fell in love when I saw him burn Chris Davis for the winning score in the title game. Who cares about the combine, KB had hops for that ball at the most important time in his career.

Thats all I needed to see to be sold on him.

 
There is definitely a lot of positive talk around him right now. Its early, but encouraging none the less.

 
I just went back and watched some draft breakdowns of his from last season. It's very up and down.

Pros:

- big body

- good long speed for such a big guy

- has some decent deep route moves

- good blocker

- flaws can corrected

- sits down nicely in zone holes

Cons:

- poor separation

- slowish burst off the line and out of hard breaks

- short to intermediate routes need work

- struggles to make catches when he has to bend or rotate his torso

- gives up on plays/tires out towards the end of the game

- doesn't attack the ball

- loses track of defenders

I don't think Benjamin can be a true number 1. He got a lot of single coverage in college, a luxury he won't have with Carolina. He didn't put in enough effort coming back for passes nor did have the nastiness needed to fight for contested balls. He also tended to lose track of the safeties. All this really adds up against him since his specialty is deep routes. He will catch some but he may start seeing ghosts after he takes a few big hits from safeties.

Another major problem is him either getting tired or just giving up on plays. His blocking starts slip late in games and there was a play against Florida where his QB starts to get pressure and scramble. Benjamin is running an inside curl and instead of running across the field to provide at least an option he stops. Standing straight up, arms loosing hanging to his sides and just watching the play. With Cam Newton as his new QB he can't ever do that.

IF he chooses to put in the extensive hard work and adapts a more aggressive mindset he could become a true number 1 and a fantasy stud. His body gives him such an advantage in every route. A well thrown ball on a well ran slant is undefendable regardless of how much burst or separation he has coming out of it. Plus, he already has a knack for finding soft spots in zones.

I think he would be an amazing TE and if he wasn't part of the worst WR corps in the NFL I think he would be moved to TE.

In the end, Benjamin has to large of a hill to climb to get to fantasy gold.

 
For fantasy purposes I doubt he amounts to much. I could see him potentially getting something like 8 td's or something in that range just due to his size around the goal line.

 
There is definitely a lot of positive talk around him right now. Its early, but encouraging none the less.
But some people who post here on football guys know better and say he wont amount to much based of their couch potato scouting. Which to believe?

 
There is definitely a lot of positive talk around him right now. Its early, but encouraging none the less.
But some people who post here on football guys know better and say he wont amount to much based of their couch potato scouting. Which to believe?
Why are you on this message board then? Just drafted exactly off of NFL draft position with some Rotoworld sprinkled in and go about your day.

You clearly have nothing constructive or insightful to say so why waste your time here? Honestly, are you just trolling?

 
With the way Newton used Smith, he would just throw it up regardless of coverage. With KB's size, if Cam continues to do that, it could force some good stats regardless of coverage. So I guess I'm figuring the opportunities will be there and it will be up to KB's talent to make the catches.

 
There is definitely a lot of positive talk around him right now. Its early, but encouraging none the less.
“He’s everything we thought he would be,” Rivera said. “We’re not in pads. But watching his route-running, watching him catch the ball, make the adjustments, track the ball, all those types of things were really good to see.”


 
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There is definitely a lot of positive talk around him right now. Its early, but encouraging none the less.
“He’s everything we thought he would be,” Rivera said. “We’re not in pads. But watching his route-running, watching him catch the ball, make the adjustments, track the ball, all those types of things were really good to see.”
According to so many here in this thread none of that is possible. Guess Rivera needs some new specs.

 
There is definitely a lot of positive talk around him right now. Its early, but encouraging none the less.
“He’s everything we thought he would be,” Rivera said. “We’re not in pads. But watching his route-running, watching him catch the ball, make the adjustments, track the ball, all those types of things were really good to see.”
He showed all that in college. You can see him adjust routes to coverage and sit down in open zones. Maybe if his QB threw before the route was done he would have had more YAC. This whole meme - he's stupid, he can't run routes, he's lazy, etc. we've heard it all before.

 
He will prove the naysayers wrong.. I love the kid and think he can be a better Alshon... I will take that guys how about you? I think he is plenty athletic and talented and people are just idiots and scouts alike that overanalyze everything and try to get cute in their analys to bring some kind of light upon them like they are prophetic.. Just watch the kid play he has talent and could be a great wr no question about that.
you lost me here.

 
Saw this on Rotoworld


GM Dave Gettleman said Kelvin Benjamin reminds him of a young Plaxico Burress.
Benjamin consistently draws Plaxico comparisons because they both specialize in the catch point at 6-foot-5. Of course, Gettleman will be hoping for more Year 1 production out of his man given his role as starting "X" receiver. Plaxico posted a mere 22-273-0 line as a rookie before earning a starting job and going for 66-1008-6 in Year 2. He ended up with 55 touchdowns in 128 games before going to prison following the 2008 season.
 
Saw this on Rotoworld


GM Dave Gettleman said Kelvin Benjamin reminds him of a young Plaxico Burress.
Benjamin consistently draws Plaxico comparisons because they both specialize in the catch point at 6-foot-5. Of course, Gettleman will be hoping for more Year 1 production out of his man given his role as starting "X" receiver. Plaxico posted a mere 22-273-0 line as a rookie before earning a starting job and going for 66-1008-6 in Year 2. He ended up with 55 touchdowns in 128 games before going to prison following the 2008 season.
Kelvin is going to get a lot of chances I think. I am not to worried about his stat line. I think it will be heavy on red zone and 3rd down catches this year. More well rounded next year.

 
Saw this on Rotoworld


GM Dave Gettleman said Kelvin Benjamin reminds him of a young Plaxico Burress.
Benjamin consistently draws Plaxico comparisons because they both specialize in the catch point at 6-foot-5. Of course, Gettleman will be hoping for more Year 1 production out of his man given his role as starting "X" receiver. Plaxico posted a mere 22-273-0 line as a rookie before earning a starting job and going for 66-1008-6 in Year 2. He ended up with 55 touchdowns in 128 games before going to prison following the 2008 season.
Kelvin is going to get a lot of chances I think. I am not to worried about his stat line. I think it will be heavy on red zone and 3rd down catches this year. More well rounded next year.
Agreed. A LOT of chances. I prayed a few months ago that Carolina would go after Benjamin. I remember watching him play last year and was impressed with his hands, even though he has had some drops. I don't even know what I would project for Benjamin right now. But on the depth chart they just released, Cotchery is the #1 WR

 
Saw this on Rotoworld


GM Dave Gettleman said Kelvin Benjamin reminds him of a young Plaxico Burress.
Benjamin consistently draws Plaxico comparisons because they both specialize in the catch point at 6-foot-5. Of course, Gettleman will be hoping for more Year 1 production out of his man given his role as starting "X" receiver. Plaxico posted a mere 22-273-0 line as a rookie before earning a starting job and going for 66-1008-6 in Year 2. He ended up with 55 touchdowns in 128 games before going to prison following the 2008 season.
Kelvin is going to get a lot of chances I think. I am not to worried about his stat line. I think it will be heavy on red zone and 3rd down catches this year. More well rounded next year.
Agreed. A LOT of chances. I prayed a few months ago that Carolina would go after Benjamin. I remember watching him play last year and was impressed with his hands, even though he has had some drops. I don't even know what I would project for Benjamin right now. But on the depth chart they just released, Cotchery is the #1 WR
Guess you take more value in May depth charts then I do. 65/1000/7 for his rookie season, not too far off from where Keenan Allen was last year.

 
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Saw this on Rotoworld


GM Dave Gettleman said Kelvin Benjamin reminds him of a young Plaxico Burress.
Benjamin consistently draws Plaxico comparisons because they both specialize in the catch point at 6-foot-5. Of course, Gettleman will be hoping for more Year 1 production out of his man given his role as starting "X" receiver. Plaxico posted a mere 22-273-0 line as a rookie before earning a starting job and going for 66-1008-6 in Year 2. He ended up with 55 touchdowns in 128 games before going to prison following the 2008 season.
Kelvin is going to get a lot of chances I think. I am not to worried about his stat line. I think it will be heavy on red zone and 3rd down catches this year. More well rounded next year.
Agreed. A LOT of chances. I prayed a few months ago that Carolina would go after Benjamin. I remember watching him play last year and was impressed with his hands, even though he has had some drops. I don't even know what I would project for Benjamin right now. But on the depth chart they just released, Cotchery is the #1 WR
Guess you take more value in May depth charts then I do. 65/1000/7 for his rookie season, not too far off from where Keenan Allen was last year.
I'd take that.

 
Panthers WR coach Ricky Proehl said he was "in awe" of Kelvin Benjamin during last week's rookie camp

"A guy his size and the way he caught the ball," Proehl said. "You look at him, if he can grow and develop into the receiver I think he can be, he's going to a huge asset." Benjamin has a major opportunity as the starting X-receiver in Carolina, but his route-running and lack of NFL-caliber speed remain concerns. With Jerricho Cotchery, Jason Avant, Tavarres King, and Tiquan Underwood the only other options on the depth chart, Benjamin is likely going to be behind just Greg Olsen for targets.
 
I love the landing spot. Cam should attract plenty of attention from the defense. My main concern is that besides Benjamin who are your weapons? Double cover Benjamin and then Cam beats you? DeAngelo isn't a world beater, I'll let him tear me for 100 yards if it means limited Benjamin (assuming Benjamin does become a threat).

Like the question to me, is whether or not Benjamin can beat double coverage. Even in his division, you've got a great secondary in New Orleans, Atlanta is suspect, Tampa Bay should be well coached. If they run a Cover 2, there are various ways to get Benjamin open assuming he can beat his matchup.

Want to see what this guy can do against scrubs in pre-season. I'm afraid he might struggle as a rookie against saavy veterans. But he should be able to beat some veterans on size alone. He should shine late in the season after most teams get snake bitten. I would draft and hope I could plug him in later in the season for a Touchdown grab or two.


I want to see him gain some more strength and just start bullying people around. If he can add that aspect to his game, it would be very hard to gameplan around.

 
I love the landing spot. Cam should attract plenty of attention from the defense. My main concern is that besides Benjamin who are your weapons? Double cover Benjamin and then Cam beats you? DeAngelo isn't a world beater, I'll let him tear me for 100 yards if it means limited Benjamin (assuming Benjamin does become a threat).

Like the question to me, is whether or not Benjamin can beat double coverage. Even in his division, you've got a great secondary in New Orleans, Atlanta is suspect, Tampa Bay should be well coached. If they run a Cover 2, there are various ways to get Benjamin open assuming he can beat his matchup.

Want to see what this guy can do against scrubs in pre-season. I'm afraid he might struggle as a rookie against saavy veterans. But he should be able to beat some veterans on size alone. He should shine late in the season after most teams get snake bitten. I would draft and hope I could plug him in later in the season for a Touchdown grab or two.

I want to see him gain some more strength and just start bullying people around. If he can add that aspect to his game, it would be very hard to gameplan around.
Double Benjamin and it opens room for Olsen.

 
I love the landing spot. Cam should attract plenty of attention from the defense. My main concern is that besides Benjamin who are your weapons? Double cover Benjamin and then Cam beats you? DeAngelo isn't a world beater, I'll let him tear me for 100 yards if it means limited Benjamin (assuming Benjamin does become a threat).

Like the question to me, is whether or not Benjamin can beat double coverage. Even in his division, you've got a great secondary in New Orleans, Atlanta is suspect, Tampa Bay should be well coached. If they run a Cover 2, there are various ways to get Benjamin open assuming he can beat his matchup.

Want to see what this guy can do against scrubs in pre-season. I'm afraid he might struggle as a rookie against saavy veterans. But he should be able to beat some veterans on size alone. He should shine late in the season after most teams get snake bitten. I would draft and hope I could plug him in later in the season for a Touchdown grab or two.

I want to see him gain some more strength and just start bullying people around. If he can add that aspect to his game, it would be very hard to gameplan around.
Double Benjamin and it opens room for Olsen.
Bump Greg Olsen?

 
I love the landing spot. Cam should attract plenty of attention from the defense. My main concern is that besides Benjamin who are your weapons? Double cover Benjamin and then Cam beats you? DeAngelo isn't a world beater, I'll let him tear me for 100 yards if it means limited Benjamin (assuming Benjamin does become a threat).

Like the question to me, is whether or not Benjamin can beat double coverage. Even in his division, you've got a great secondary in New Orleans, Atlanta is suspect, Tampa Bay should be well coached. If they run a Cover 2, there are various ways to get Benjamin open assuming he can beat his matchup.

Want to see what this guy can do against scrubs in pre-season. I'm afraid he might struggle as a rookie against saavy veterans. But he should be able to beat some veterans on size alone. He should shine late in the season after most teams get snake bitten. I would draft and hope I could plug him in later in the season for a Touchdown grab or two.

I want to see him gain some more strength and just start bullying people around. If he can add that aspect to his game, it would be very hard to gameplan around.
Double Benjamin and it opens room for Olsen.
I love the landing spot. Cam should attract plenty of attention from the defense. My main concern is that besides Benjamin who are your weapons? Double cover Benjamin and then Cam beats you? DeAngelo isn't a world beater, I'll let him tear me for 100 yards if it means limited Benjamin (assuming Benjamin does become a threat).

Like the question to me, is whether or not Benjamin can beat double coverage. Even in his division, you've got a great secondary in New Orleans, Atlanta is suspect, Tampa Bay should be well coached. If they run a Cover 2, there are various ways to get Benjamin open assuming he can beat his matchup.

Want to see what this guy can do against scrubs in pre-season. I'm afraid he might struggle as a rookie against saavy veterans. But he should be able to beat some veterans on size alone. He should shine late in the season after most teams get snake bitten. I would draft and hope I could plug him in later in the season for a Touchdown grab or two.

I want to see him gain some more strength and just start bullying people around. If he can add that aspect to his game, it would be very hard to gameplan around.
I think a lot of people will be surprised by Tavarres King.

 

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