Kelvin Benjamin - WR - FSU [UPDATE PAGE 1, 7/3] (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

Yep, the dropped TD hurt, but Newton is just not very good, and once a few things don't go his way, he gets that look on his face like his dog just died and teams know they have him mentally beaten for the day.

 

[Ilov80s]

Where do you guys rank Cam amongst NFL starting QBs?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Where do you guys rank Cam amongst NFL starting QBs?

Middle of the pack - in the 14-18 range.

Top 10, in no particular order, are:

Peyton

Rodgers

Brees

Rivers

Wilson

Luck

Roethlisberger

Brady

Romo

Ryan

I would then probably put Foles and Flacco as the next two, and then you have guys like Cam, Kaepernick, Stafford, Alex Smith, Cutler in the middle of the pack. Carson Palmer too.

 

[cvnpoka]

cutler>cam>stafford>>>>>>flacco

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm a huge Cam defender but what we are seeing is what everyone was afraid of in the preseason. Cam has a terrible Oline (without both its starting guards tonight) and pretty poor receiving options. Benjamin has been great but you can only go so far with a relatively raw rookie WR. He didn't play particularly well but he didn't have alot of help. Playcalling was also pretty bad. The run game was working to an extent and forcing the ball to Benjamin in the RZ when Keenan Lewis was winning the matchup may have cost them the game.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

cutler>cam>stafford>>>>>>flacco

Its easy to hate flacco but the only real difference between him and Stafford is that Flacco has a ring and Stafford has Megatron

 

[heropretend]

Cam doesn't know how to loft the ball over traffic. When he needs to put touch on the ball, then the ball sails over everyone. This might sound crazy, but I like how Derek Anderson got the ball to KB when Cam was injured and the other game when the Panthers were getting blown out.

 

[Dinkle Heimer]

[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Benjamin could have had a 3TD performance (outside shoulder throw in end zone that was un-catchable, dropped TD pass, and slant thrown about 5 feet over his head) with the drop being squarely on him (obviously). But, yea...Cam looks like a QB who may never meet his potential. He routinely throws line drive high fastballs off his back foot and can't seem to routinely put the ball in a position for his WRs to make an easy catch. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Brees connected on that 30 yard pass to Graham near the sideline on the last TD drive that was a fluttering rainbow over the defenders head into the bread basket. Cam seems to only make those throws on occasion for some reason (inability, unwillingness, lack of chemistry with WRs, lack of awareness...etc). That earlier pass to Olsen and should have been slant TD pass to Benjamin both sailed sky high. It's concerning [/SIZE]because[SIZE=14.4444446563721px] pretty much every NFL QB makes those passes after recognizing the play. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]I might be jaded after watching Cam's last two games, [/SIZE]but I see a questionable decision maker with no real improvement (maybe regression) after his impressive rookie year. Maybe Cam was hurt?

 

[pantherclub]

Where do you guys rank Cam amongst NFL starting QBs?

Middle of the pack - in the 14-18 range.

Top 10, in no particular order, are:

Peyton

Rodgers

Brees

Rivers

Wilson

Luck

Roethlisberger

Brady

Romo

Ryan

I would then probably put Foles and Flacco as the next two, and then you have guys like Cam, Kaepernick, Stafford, Alex Smith, Cutler in the middle of the pack. Carson Palmer too.

I certainly wouldnt argue with this. However I feel once he gets healthy and gets a decent line he can be really really good. Right now there are too many variables going against him.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Cam has no touch and no accuracy and poor timing and basically just throws fast balls

Kelvin has to learn to catch Cams balls in game speed still, you really cant let them hit your chest/shoulder pads or they are going to bounce off

 

[mphtrilogy]

lewis played a great game, he had one catchable td that hurt, but some great cb coverage and cam's rough night was to blame.

extra painful this week with the multi-bye week of a lot of good players out...

still staying in my lineup tho

 

[SCT]

[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Benjamin could have had a 3TD performance (outside shoulder throw in end zone that was un-catchable, dropped TD pass, and slant thrown about 5 feet over his head) with the drop being squarely on him (obviously). But, yea...Cam looks like a QB who may never meet his potential. He routinely throws line drive high fastballs off his back foot and can't seem to routinely put the ball in a position for his WRs to make an easy catch. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Brees connected on that 30 yard pass to Graham near the sideline on the last TD drive that was a fluttering rainbow over the defenders head into the bread basket. Cam seems to only make those throws on occasion for some reason (inability, unwillingness, lack of chemistry with WRs, lack of awareness...etc). That earlier pass to Olsen and should have been slant TD pass to Benjamin both sailed sky high. It's concerning [/SIZE]because[SIZE=14.4444446563721px] pretty much every NFL QB makes those passes after recognizing the play. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14.4444446563721px]I might be jaded after watching Cam's last two games, [/SIZE]but I see a questionable decision maker with no real improvement (maybe regression) after his impressive rookie year. Maybe Cam was hurt?

Let's not forget the 73 yard post TD that was there on the first play if Cam throws it inside....KB even told him.

 

[Fat Nick]

Cam has no touch and no accuracy and poor timing and basically just throws fast balls

Kelvin has to learn to catch Cams balls in game speed still, you really cant let them hit your chest/shoulder pads or they are going to bounce off

This pretty much sums it up. Kelvin would do much better with Anderson at QB, simply because the way Anderson throws (and most every other QB) is more akin to Kelvin's less-than-ideal body catching style.

It's not 100% Cam's fault, but Cam just hauls off and fires the ball, EVERY SINGLE TIME, as evident by several missed catches that went right though guy's hands last night (not just Benjamin)

It's not 100% Kelvin's fault, but he's an NFL WR, who should be able to catch most passes he gets his hands on...which could be helped by catching with his hands and not his body.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

The breakout 2 TD game is tonight boys. All the Benjamins.

My bad fellas this one's on me.

 

[Insein]

Cam has no touch and no accuracy and poor timing and basically just throws fast balls

Kelvin has to learn to catch Cams balls in game speed still, you really cant let them hit your chest/shoulder pads or they are going to bounce off

I chuckled.

 

[SCT]

Have an offer from an owner who wants him and GTate for Randle, AJohnson, and JHill. Dynasty. Last nights game makes me more interested.

 

[mnmplayer]

hes got so many damn dropped tds. so frustrating. thats like his 4th of the year.

But was inside his catch radius, so that's a positive.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Cam did him no favors but 2nd week in a row he dropped a sure TD

This. Benjamin could have salvaged a semi-respectable game if he caught that ball.

Doesn't excuse Cam missing him on 3 others (and the total lack of creative play calling to try and get him open) but it was a pretty bad drop.

Add me to this group. Catch the ones you get your hands on.

 

[Quez]

He is exactly what I thought he was going to be in the NFL. He is pretty much the sane guy he was in college, dominant WR 1 with drop issues. For the most part he does enough to overlook the drops.

 

[cstu]

He is exactly what I thought he was going to be in the NFL. He is pretty much the sane guy he was in college, dominant WR 1 with drop issues. For the most part he does enough to overlook the drops.

 

[massraider]

I'm a huge Cam defender but what we are seeing is what everyone was afraid of in the preseason. Cam has a terrible Oline (without both its starting guards tonight) and pretty poor receiving options. Benjamin has been great but you can only go so far with a relatively raw rookie WR. He didn't play particularly well but he didn't have alot of help. Playcalling was also pretty bad. The run game was working to an extent and forcing the ball to Benjamin in the RZ when Keenan Lewis was winning the matchup may have cost them the game.

Cam tossing a ball two feet over a 6'5" WRs head has nothingto do with Oline or receiving options.

 

[mnmplayer]

I'm a huge Cam defender but what we are seeing is what everyone was afraid of in the preseason. Cam has a terrible Oline (without both its starting guards tonight) and pretty poor receiving options. Benjamin has been great but you can only go so far with a relatively raw rookie WR. He didn't play particularly well but he didn't have alot of help. Playcalling was also pretty bad. The run game was working to an extent and forcing the ball to Benjamin in the RZ when Keenan Lewis was winning the matchup may have cost them the game.

Cam tossing a ball two feet over a 6'5" WRs head has nothingto do with Oline or receiving options.

He's just testing the limits of the catch radius. I was surprised he didn't come down with that one.

 

[lod01]

I totally convinced that Cam is just overrated and I'm not fishing.

Someone posted the success rate of QB who play four years of college vs those that don't complete 4yrs (come out early) and it was interesting to say the least. I wish I would have kept that article. Anyway, my point watching Cam is not surprising in light of the article.

At the end of the day, QBs drafted high in the NFL that completed 4yrs of college were much more successful than those that didnt. IIRC there was only one or zero (I don't remember that was actually successful.

I wonder at is the Super Bowl rate is or even Hall of Fame.

Tex

I've said sCam would suck from day one. They guy can run with a football. Big deal. That won't get it done as we saw last night. When you throw uncatchable balls and balls 10 yards out of bounds, you really are not good at what you do.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld take:

Kelvin Benjamin caught just 2-of-10 targets for 18 yards in Carolina's Week 9 loss to the Saints.

A lot of the blame for Benjamin's quiet night rests on the inaccurate arm of Cam Newton, but Benjamin straight up dropped a ball in the end zone for the second-consecutive week. He also committed a costly holding penalty that wiped out a third quarter first-down run from Jonathan Stewart. Benjamin flashes jaw-dropping physical talent every Sunday (or Thursday), but has had truly abysmal hands through the first nine games of his NFL career. He's a boom-or-bust WR2.

Oct 30 - 11:48 PM

 

[Dizzy]

Just a perfect storm to kill Benjamin Owners (myself included) last night; dropped a sure TD that smacked him right in his hands, a QB that couldn't get the ball to him when he did separate, and Keenan Lewis pretty much doing a good job of shutting him out on his other (some ill-advised) targets.

Last night was really about Cam though for the most part (you could hear the frustration in the announcers), but credit Lewis with a pretty good game as well.

 

[nastynate]

Not only was Cam inaccurate, but he showed little ability to anticipate. He was late on more throws than I could count.

He looks awful right now.

 

[lod01]

Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.

I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.

Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.

Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01

Benjamin has almost 30 lbs. on Bryant (some would to his detriment) but Bryant outperformed him on every metric at the combine by a good margin.

Despite the weight advantage, Benjamin did 13 bench reps to Bryant's 16.

Guys are looking like you know football.

I stand by my assessment. When Benjamin was drafted he was claiming the Panthers were happy with him on 240 but it's clear he's nowhere near that now. His questionable hands seem to have disappeared.

As for Bryant, the jury is still out. He's almost a year younger than Benjamin and has further to go with his route running. Wheaton had 6 catches his rookie year and has 11 so far, rookie WR's normally don't have a big impact with the Steelers.

Same here.

Yep, claim victory now guys after 3 games. Smart move. We'll see in 5-8 years. games

Updated. Benjamin has sCam Newton. Bryant has Ben. R.

 

[cstu]

Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.

I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.

Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.

Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01

Benjamin has almost 30 lbs. on Bryant (some would to his detriment) but Bryant outperformed him on every metric at the combine by a good margin.

Despite the weight advantage, Benjamin did 13 bench reps to Bryant's 16.

Guys are looking like you know football.

Bryant has as many TD's (5) in 3 games as Benjamin has in 9.

 

[lod01]

Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.

I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.

Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.

Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01

Benjamin has almost 30 lbs. on Bryant (some would to his detriment) but Bryant outperformed him on every metric at the combine by a good margin.

Despite the weight advantage, Benjamin did 13 bench reps to Bryant's 16.

Guys are looking like you know football.

Bryant has as many TD's (5) in 3 games as Benjamin has in 9.

And YES, we know football. Benjamin is 6'5" and still can't haul in sCam's horrible passes over 1/2 the time. Bryant has Big Ben putting it on the money.

 

[eddiezz74]

I was just offered Rashad Jennings and Kendall Wright for him. I would lose out keeping him in the 6th round next year if I trade him. Where would you project him being drafted next year in a 12 team PPR league? Maybe late 2nd early 3rd?

 

[BassNBrew]

I was just offered Rashad Jennings and Kendall Wright for him. I would lose out keeping him in the 6th round next year if I trade him. Where would you project him being drafted next year in a 12 team PPR league? Maybe late 2nd early 3rd?

Early 4th.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Back on track on MNF for KB. Philly pass defense is ungood. Points will be needed in the game overall, and garbage time stats are also a possibility. Plus despite the drops he's still a clear redzone target due to his size.

 

[packer_junkie]

Yea a 2-3 TD game is coming... followed by everyone hoping back to to maddening inconsistency the rest of the way

 

[Insein]

See Deandre Hopkins week 9 for KB potential this week. Eagles will win the game but KB should get some.

 

[Dizzy]

Not worried at all about KB... it's his QB that scares the crap out of me.

 

[cstu]

Update:

Bryant has more TD's (6) in 4 games than Benjamin has in 9.

 

[Raider Nation]

I need 6 points out of this guy. Why do I have the feeling he's gonna take a goose egg?

 

[joffer]

Luckily this is the last week I need to start him

 

[shadyridr]

I have a very bad feeling about him ROS

 

[Insein]

Need some garbage time tonight to move him. I think the Rookie wall is here and his name is Cam.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

yep on the bench starting next week

 

[lod01]

sCam is problem #1.

 

[lod01]

And then when a pass hits in in the hands he drops it.

 

[shadyridr]

Does this guy ever get an uncontested catch?

 

[Insein]

And then when a pass hits in in the hands he drops it.

Hard to catch a high bullet with a corner on your back.

 

[lod01]

Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.

I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.

Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.

Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01

oof. You may want to re-evaluate your own abilities.

 

[TLEF316]

I need like the most mediocre of games out of this guy to win this week and I just know he's gonna screw me.

 

[joffer]

Nice to see him being pulled on 3rd downs

 

[trader jake]

Benjamin TD will save a lot of owners in the 2nd half

 

[Ilov80s]

Benjamin TD will save a lot of owners in the 2nd half

Need it. It was a nice ride the first half of the year, but reality has caught up to him.